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Italy OKs Abortion Pill

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The Catholic Church lost another round today when Italy approved the use of RU-486, the abortion drug. The Vatican warned of immediate excommunication for doctors prescribing the pill and for women taking it.

According to the Catholic News Service, Archbishop Fisichella announced that "it is obvious that the canonical consequences" of using RU-486 are the same as those incurred for getting a therapeutic abortion: automatic excommunication.

This is latest defeat for the Catholic Church in its efforts to ban abortion in the Vatican's home nation.

Monsignor Elio Sgreccia, a senior church bioethicist, told the Associated Press that RU-486 is "not a drug, but poison."

Dr. Gabriella Pacini of Woman's Life, a group that provides medical counseling to women, said RU-486 "has been used for years in Europe, on millions of women and is considered safe and effective. Why not give Italian women a choice between pharmacological abortion and surgical abortion?"

 

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And largely no one cares

And largely no one cares what the vatican thinks... Hell, i heard that they even considered adding the word "eXtreme" to help promote their dying cause to todays youngin's.

I say.. "Ignorant fucks.
There is no god."

Its a womans body, let her decide.

Move on.

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No one cares? I assume you

No one cares? I assume you mean no one except the one billion people that are baptized Catholic. Even if you were to drop a full half by considering them 'lapsed Catholics,' this is still a decision that affects FIVE HUNDRED MILLION people around the world. Don't belittle my beliefs just because you don't share them.

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your beliefs are ignorance.

http://imgur.com/2nWSh.jpg

It is truly sad that even in this scientific age, people such as you and all religious believers believe in the existence of God. You live for God, not for the sake of living. You live for the afterlife, not for the present life. And you dispute science.

There's a limit to the amount of stupidity that people can handle. The only thing religion does is push that limit, and while doing so, kill millions of people.

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Yes yes yes

I couldn't agree more. Until humanity throws off the shackles of religion and begins to believe in our own power to shape the Universe, we will be sorely limited socially, philosophically, and - as this article shows - technologically. As a "lapsed Catholic" myself, I'd like to point out that I don't feel as if I've slipped away from these beliefs that I can still find value in. Instead, I have embraced reason and seen that the truly positive moral aspects of Catholicism are not acquired only through superstitious beliefs. Any rational, empathetic person can understand the morality behind, for example, the Ten Commandments and truly attempt to follow them. Religion it seems to me, is just a cheap - and often unsuccessful - replacement for reason and empathy.

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I used to be pro-choice.

I used to be pro-choice. I have known many women who have had abortions (some who I realize now that they aborted what would have been their only child). I didn't think much about the matter until I was pregnant with my first child.

The OBGYN gave me tests which are routinely given to mothers to assess the risk of having a Down Syndrome baby. It was then that I asked how long a woman is able to legally get an abortion, and was told 24 weeks. I was very surprised. At 24 weeks, I was quite large with child. I could feel the baby moving and kicking.

Out of curiosity, I looked into the procedures used for abortions. I was astounded at what I found. The photos of the aborted fetuses look very much like babies. Clearly they are not just blobs of cells. It was then that abortion went from an idea into a reality of what was happening to the fetuses.

A developing embryo/fetus is not "your" body. It is an independent living structure with its own DNA. You can do whatever you want with your own body as long as it doesn't harm another. But it is a scientific fact that the embryo/fetus has its own set of DNA. It is not a replica of you. It is, biologically, its own being.

A baby is not considered a "person" until it is born. Is that what makes a person a legal human being, taking a breath of air? If I hold my breath for 30 seconds, am I no longer human since I am not breathing air? What about 90 seconds? My heart is still beating and my brain is still working. But to be a legal human being, babies seem to have to breath air.

A person is considered legally "dead" when they no longer have brainwaves. Perhaps we should consider a person legally "alive" when they have brainwaves at about 8 weeks gestation.

A baby is dependent upon its mother (or caregiver) before and after birth. So when does "viability" really happen? At 18-years-old? When they can pay their own way for their rent and their food?

While the fetus would be dependent upon your life structure and only live while you live, one could argue that this dependency continues outside the womb. A newborn cannot take care of itself. Yet, legally, even though the parent or caregiver must provide food and take care of basic needs for this person, since the baby is considered a legal human being, it is not legal to murder that baby. Even if taking care of the baby is inconvenient or gets in the way of other things, the baby has rights.

The law has a place in legislating morality. That is why you can't legally go out and murder, steal, or rape. This discussion is an issue essentially of when life legally begins. The larger issue, however, is one of human rights and a basic question of what it means to be human.

I am having a difficult time understanding how some liberals can be vegan and anti-war and yet feel fine about aborting their babies.

Look at each side and make up your mind.

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italian healt system refunds costs of pharma abortion!!!!

im italian, i just had a pharma abortion in switzerland (one hour from milano) but also in france and germany is possible.
all these countries are very close and its easy and cheap to get there.
a pharma abortion in switzerland costed me around 1000dollars. and i'll get refunded by the italian pubblic health system.
so if the health system pays this treatment if u do it in a nearby country, why not allowing it in italy?

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