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What happens in Iraq will not stay in Iraq. That is, other states have an interest in the Sunni-Shiite fight. In many Arab countries, particularly the United States' oil-providing protectorates in the Persian Gulf, the ruling elite fear Iran and oppose the emergence of a Shiite-dominated Iraq, something the U.S. military occupation effectively created when it sided with the Shiites against the Sunnis in 2003. These ruling elites worry that they too could be replaced one by one with "faithful" Sharia-based Islamists.

The Bush State Department seems determined to exploit such fears, promising that giant American bases like the 30,000-man Balad Air Base will offer the Sunni elites security in the form of an anti-Iranian Maginot line that stretches from the Indian Ocean to the Turkish border. This may be the Bush administration's strategic ploy to win the support (or acquiescence) of neighboring Sunni Arab countries for continuing the U.S. military occupation of Iraq long after Bush leaves office. However, what the corrupt ruling elites of the Arab world agree to and what their restive populations will accept are very different things—meaning that a status quo predicated on U.S. troops remaining stationed in Iraq lacks stability.

Tehran is certainly watching developments in Iraq with interest. The Iranian leaders have turned out to be very competent chess players in foreign affairs, carefully calculating each move. As demonstrated by the recent National Intelligence Estimate's reassessment of Iranian nuclear aims, the Bush administration and its generals are, at best, poker players. Every raise and bluff by the Bush administration and its generals in Baghdad has been effectively countered with some very thoughtful, strategic moves by Tehran—moves aimed at cultivating close relationships with Turkey, Russia, China, and even Europe.

This brings us to the big concern: The unresolved (if not heightened) instability within Iraq could lead to unforeseen consequences of a strategic nature—say, a war between Turkey and the Kurds. Inside Turkey, the United States is viewed as a false friend, and as having betrayed the interests of its steadfast Turkish ally. Not only has Washington failed to end Kurdish support in Iraq for the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which advocates independence for Kurds inside Turkey, but the United States also occupied Iraq over Ankara's strong objections. These points of friction coincide with an Islamic revival and a growing desire within Turkey for an assertion of national power. Like the Orthodox Church and Russian nationalism, Islam is inextricably intertwined with Turkish identity, culture, and history.

According to the Pew Research Center, only 9 percent of Turks still hold a favorable view of the United States, a figure that places Turkey last of 46 countries surveyed. Turks now see America as a threat to Turkish national security. The anti-American attitude has been reinforced in the past few years within popular culture. In the Turkish blockbuster Valley of the Wolves Iraq, a small Turkish force heroically battles an evil U.S. military commander and his troops. In Metal Storm, a recent best-selling work of fiction, an all-out war between Ankara and Washington in 2007 is described, a war Turkey wins with the aid of Russian and European support.

Iran suspects it is a matter of when, not if, the Turks intervene in northern Iraq. Turkey, which boasts the largest army in NATO, is the 500-pound gorilla of the Muslim world and Iran knows it. And anti-Kurdish sentiment is leading to an alliance between Iran, Turkey, and Syria, each of which fear growing Kurdish independence.

It's hard to imagine a worse outcome for the United States than the sudden intervention of 100,000 Turkish troops in northern Iraq. Turkish intervention would rob the United States of the support of Kurdish troops that are now policing northern Iraq against Al Qaeda and containing the Sunni insurgency. And the Iranians, who are the real power behind the Shiite-dominated Baghdad government, would support a Turkish military intervention. (Russia and China might support the anti-Kurdish alliance, too.)

All this could well embolden the Sunni Arab insurgents to renew their war against the U.S. military. In the midst of this, the Saudis, Egyptians, and Gulf oil protectorates might even turn to the Turks, the natural leaders of the Sunni Muslim world, as a preferable alternative to their ties with the West and Israel. And add to this mix the instability within nuclear-armed Pakistan. This could all lead to a dreaded situation in which the United States finds itself stuck in the middle of a regional war, with the potential for chaos in Iraq on the rise and Iran's influence in Iraq growing.

Which brings us back to the Great Awakening. As 2008 approaches, all we can say with certainty is that unrelenting Arab hatred of the U.S. military presence in Iraq and the nature of the Sunni-Shiite struggle will make it unlikely that the cash-for-cooperation strategy will buy Iraq genuine stability, let alone the legitimate political order that is needed. (In the Saidiyah neighborhood of Baghdad, U.S. military officers have groups of "concerned citizens"—mainly Sunni—on the payroll. And the office of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has tried to undermine this effort, fearing the United States is organizing a rival Sunni force.)

Wherever American forces operate, they make a difference to their surroundings, but even officers with years of service in Iraq doubt that whatever the U.S. military builds for Iraq will survive the withdrawal of U.S. military power. History supports their conclusion. The last thousand years of history demonstrate that the imposition of foreign, particularly Western Christian, political systems or control on Muslim Arabs through military occupation has no chance of enduring permanently.

The storm may not hit soon. Until January 20, 2009, there is a high probability that the Arabs will take all the cash the generals are willing to give them, make minimal trouble, and bide their time. The Turks also prefer to wait for U.S. forces to leave or draw down before they intervene to eliminate the Kurdish threat. And Iran is nothing if not patient.

That said, if the next administration fails to disengage its forces from Iraq and renews the determination to hold on to the country, if it does not renounce the myth that America's mission in the world is to impose American concepts of political order on foreign peoples burdened with undeveloped economies and dysfunctional societies, all bets are off. Sunni and Shiite patience may well wear out, neighboring powers may cooperate to intervene, and this worst-case scenario (or one just as frightening) may eventually come to pass, compelling the United States to fight a major regional war far from its shores, one that is irrelevant to its strategic interests.

Meanwhile, thanks to superficial analysis and weak reporting from the media, the right questions about the "awakening" are going unasked and, therefore, unanswered. If the Marine Corps leadership were able to achieve a cease-fire with the Sunni tribal leaders in Anbar province, a place where U.S. forces sustained a disproportionate number of their casualties on a monthly basis over the last three years, was it really necessary to commit additional U.S. combat troops? Why was it not possible to extend the Anbar model to the rest of Sunni-held Iraq? Or did the generals in Baghdad begin cutting deals with the Sunni insurgents only when the mounting casualties from the surge in the spring and early summer of 2007 compelled them to do so?

But the main problem is the belief held by U.S. policymakers and generals that the critical issue in Iraq is tactics, not the overall mission: occupying and trying to control a Muslim Arab country. Given the conventional wisdom that the U.S. counterinsurgency efforts are working, the imperial hubris at the top of the Bush administration, and the complacency in Congress, the conditions are ideal for a spin-off war that could cause us one day to wonder how we Americans could have ever been so stupid as to occupy Iraq.

Douglas Macgregor is a retired Army colonel and a decorated Persian Gulf War combat veteran. He has authored three books on modern warfare and military reform. His latest is Transformation Under Fire: Revolutionizing the Way America Fights. He writes for the Straus Military Reform Project at the Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. The views expressed here are entirely his own.



 

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An Iraqi Nightmare? Yes, that was exactly our purpose. Divide the country and systematically facilitate its destruction. Israel is now stronger - and will be even stronger if we can find the ware-with-all to invade and neuter Iran. This whole thing is about white American Christian supremacy - destroy Israel’s enemies, one by one. Fortunately, as in Vietnam – we will lose…
Posted by:An Iraqi Nightmare...?December 11, 2007 4:34:03 PMRespond ^
This is similar to the strategy that created the Taliban. We never learn.
Posted by:AlexLawyerDecember 11, 2007 7:17:31 PMRespond ^
A perceptive piece. And the Arab ability to take the conqueror's gold, then look for an opportunity to expel the conqueror, is an old theme which we British know well from our days of Empire. Two points to add: 1. Peace under a superior invading force is not evidence of honest conquest. Paris was in 1941 quite a pleasant place to live and work. 2. You dismiss, apparently, all Arab leaders as corrupt. Many would observe that recurring US administrations have exhibited most of the features of corruption, from Reagan, through Nixon, up to the current Bush and Cheney family ties with industries benefitting greatly from war and the servicing of war.
Posted by:Peter Biddulph, EnglandDecember 12, 2007 1:23:29 AMRespond ^
One of the best comments on Iraq I've ever read. Compare it with what you get by CNN, NYT, WP etc. --- Are there so few people eager to dive into complex analysis, thoughtful reflection that it does not bring enough viewers or readers when mainstream media go complex? Or is it a "conspiracy": REAL foreign politics is only for experts, so let us distract the broad audience with trifling, with the simple things they understand.
Posted by:Leo BruxDecember 12, 2007 3:17:52 AMRespond ^
Excellent article. One to keep for sure. Certainly one to be proud of. I have read 100's of articles on Iraq and this is one of the very best! Keep up the nice work!
Posted by:AnthonyDecember 12, 2007 3:44:43 AMRespond ^
Oh no, but can't you see how important it is that we know Paris Hilton is taking her little brother into a XXX sex shop to buy her own sex video? Or that Brittany Spears is making out with Madonna on stage because she has NO TALENT. (Why didn't Frank Sinatra make out on stage with another man I wonder?) Can't you see how important this all is? Did you know Brad Pitt was jealous of Jennifer Anniston's success and became insecure? That's why he ran off with Angelina Jolie. Come on ... can't you see how important these things are? Who cares that 20 million illegal immigrants are here, that we send women into combat to get blown up, that we're losing two wars, that our schools produced functional illiterates, that Katrina's social chaos shows us an ugly page from the future, that Russia and China have threatened us with nuclear attack, (over Taiwan and Serbia/Kosovo) that our economy is dying (sovereign funds, subprime mortgages, trade and fiscal debt) and that our culture has decayed into something approaching barbarism? If people really knew the truth they probably couldn't function, shop at the mall, watch Dancing With the Stars or call Suzy on their cell phone to talk about Paris Hilton.
Posted by:AnthonyDecember 12, 2007 3:50:44 AMRespond ^
A poignant piece. As long as the money holds out and the troops and hired killers stay the US can maintain the status quo, bad as it is. So as the American Empire sinks into the quicksand, still eyeing the mirage of 'victory', we bid fond adieu.
Posted by:locust, Ca. desertDecember 12, 2007 9:14:35 AMRespond ^
"...the conditions are ideal for a spin-off war that could cause us one day to wonder how we Americans could have ever been so stupid as to occupy Iraq." The military-industrial complex stupid? Right. Stupid like a fox! Better make that a dodo bird.
Posted by:Arch StantonDecember 12, 2007 11:22:10 AMRespond ^
I tire of leftist conspiracy thinkers who blame "white" American Christians. [Go and learn what this means: I desire mercy and not sacrifice.][If at all possible, live peaceably among all men.] and the biggie duo: [seek ye first the kingdom of God][My kingdom is not of this world]. So, in conclusion, posters like "An Iraqi Nightmare...?" fail to see the differentiation between a Christian born again in spirit and a Christian in name/tradition only. The latter is setting up America if not the whole world for persecution of the former. Pardon me, but for years now I pondered the efficacy of splitting Iraq into three distinct provinces: Kurdish, Shiite, and Sunni. My reasoning was simple: if they must fight amongst one another, separate them like children, each to his own room nearest the things he/she desires: Sunnis live nearest Saudi Arabia, Shiites live nearest their beloved Iran, and Kurds succeed or fail in the northern part by choosing to aggravate or coexist with Turkey. Perhaps it is not so simple, but it seems Iraq as we know it has been incapable of peaceably existing with itself under anything but authoritarian rule/regimes for at least the last six hundred years. Nonetheless, I am not a scholar on Iraq nor have any desire to be such. One of my hopes is that Iraqis can work out a solution that will bring reassurance to men, women, and children that there might be no risk of death by doing something so basic as going to work, shopping in the market, or attending schools. And yes, I know that our current administration does not seem to be helping to affect such positive change, yet we can blame our nation for many problems in Iraq and that still does not change Iraq's tumultuous history since before the major settlements of the Americas.
Posted by:MarkDecember 12, 2007 1:03:24 PMRespond ^
Re Col. McGregor's post-surge analysis: What is going on tactically in Baghdad and surrounds strikes me as a bait and switch. Petreaus' COIN doctrine called for 'hold and re-build' under Iraqi army and police protection. In practice the Kurd and Shiite armies are linguistically and politically separate entities, with sectarian agendas, rivalries, and different enemies. Neither IA or IP are likely to be safe in JAM or Sunni 'concerned citizen' controlled neighborhoods, except by local agreement. Consequently the US force appears to be mostly stalled in place, vouchsafing a patchwork of ad hoc ceasefires between armed neighborhood and gov't factions, unable to close the security gap in the southern (Yousefiya) belt. By expending our mainforce reserves, we've managed to block and jack the teetering civil war back to a 2005 state of violence, with an unprecedented condition of armed sectarian neighborhoods, refugees and squatters. But a tipping point? Neither Petreaus or Crocker are claiming any such thing, while the window of opportunity begins to swing closed.
Posted by:Walking WoundedDecember 12, 2007 1:10:02 PMRespond ^
Wow ! Some thoughtful and in depth commentary! I need to take a deep breath and prepare for the possibility of even responding intelligently here.
Posted by:RTMANDecember 12, 2007 3:07:01 PMRespond ^
Oh please is there any bad scenario this guy didn't think of putting into the mix. Turkey is really going to ditch the US and Europe to stick with Iran and Syria. And if the sunnis are just regrouping why kill your best fighters, they could just keep fighting it out, if the surge was showing at this point not to be working, everyone here and in the middle east knew that Bush could not have sustained keeping troops in Iraq until the end of his term. It was obvious to all that the US was leaving, so why keep them in the fight, if it was for money, everyone knows that the Sunni rich oil states would be more and has been more than happy bankrolling then to the tone of billions. If the US does have to or plan to leave, why not fortify the Sunni's, do what the Iranian's have done in Lebanon make someone else fight your battle, walk away with Iran and most of the middle east busy fighting a civil war, with the United Stares in the end just dealing with the winner, which would take years to decide. The same thing we did in the 80's, Iran was to busy fighting Saddam to be a trouble for the West.
Posted by:samDecember 12, 2007 5:00:47 PMRespond ^
The loon libs would prefer another Rwanda or Somalia or Sudan or one of the many other Clixon regime change suckcess stories, of course. They won't get one, but that IS what their natural bent toward cowardice would prefer. Oh hell. HILLARY HAPPENS.
Posted by:QUESTION HILLARY tmDecember 12, 2007 7:04:25 PMRespond ^
The key (same as it ever was) to long term success is the Iraqi Army, police and court system. If those things don't get up to speed, it will be another long bloodbath, ala Lebanon. Less blood than during Saddam's reign, but still a mess decades in the making. Maybe geniuses Wilson and Plame have an answer, for such lost Oil For EU years of UN neglect? Naw. Too much trouble. Next!
Posted by:QUESTION HILLARY tmDecember 12, 2007 7:09:56 PMRespond ^
That you are neither a scholar of Iraq nor have any desire to be one is obvious, but whatever kind of Christian you are, born again or name only, you should at least be concerned with the fate of Iraqi Christians. It is one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, receiving the faith directly from St. Thomas, and in spirit and practice undoubtedly one of the closest to the original followers of Jesus. Sadly, they have been devastated over the past four years, perhaps beyond renewal, for the mere crime of being co-religionists of the detested invaders.
Posted by:GreggDecember 12, 2007 7:12:00 PMRespond ^
"...that could cause us one day to wonder how we Americans could have ever been so stupid as to occupy Iraq." In this regard, when will the Senate Intelligence Committee finish phase 2 of its report? Americans were stupid because we were misled by liars with ulterior motives. This must be officially elucidated before it happens again.
Posted by:Courtney SquiresDecember 12, 2007 7:21:00 PMRespond ^
Oh let me see, if we hadn’t we wouldnive and then would not havta but if we don’t sompin will happen but then again if we do sumpin it might not work and/or make things worse, but Oh my God… I got the answer… Wring of the hands will provide comfort and is excellent personal solutional situational erotica… I feel good already. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Posted by:Clinton (nOT bILL)December 12, 2007 7:50:21 PMRespond ^
Gregg, you've obviously missed my statement about real Christians being persecuted due to the people claiming to be Christians. Re-read, please, before making such an irresponsible retort, though very informative. This article is not about Christian persecution worldwide as it's unlikely to be of interest to the leftist media...why is that...because right-wingers have claimed some sort of moral superiority endangering Christians by wrongly associating themselves with them when they have very un-Christlike policies in place. I also have no disregard for the plight of fellow believers, and any implication otherwise is misguided. I will repeat: "One of my hopes is that Iraqis can work out a solution that will bring reassurance to men, women, and children that there might be no risk of death by doing something so basic as going to work, shopping in the market, or attending schools." I suppose the thing that bothers me most is that President Bush's dad was of the mind not to invade Iraq due to the legitimate consequences thereof, and yet his son found himself manipulated to do the very thing his dad refused to do. Iraq is a mess. The question still holds: what should or can be done to clean it up? Who? Where? When? How? Is it better for American troops to leave now? Or is there presence a necessary thorn in the side? Are Iraqis to blame for their own violence or are outside influences igniting and fueling the flames? Are there adequate means for the now oppressed and impoverished in Iraq to seek sanctuary in other nations including the United States or are they being turned away and left to fend for themselves? The complexities are staggering and not even those suffering are likely to know what is the best course out of this mess let alone some guy in some comfortable state thousands of miles from the trouble. (That would be me and perhaps many of my fellow commentators.)
Posted by:MarkDecember 12, 2007 8:57:21 PMRespond ^
Marou Awanis and Geneva Jalal. Please read more about them. These two Armenian Christian women were shot to death unprovoked by Unity Resources Group, an Australian corporate mercenary outfit based in the United Arab Emirates ("security services"). This follows the massacre of 17 Iraqis by American mercenary services Blackwater about a month prior. If I was an Iraqi, I would hope to awaken from this nightmare. My question to anyone: is this just practice by the politico-corporate entities in the West intended on us in the future?
Posted by:MarkDecember 12, 2007 9:20:41 PMRespond ^
Insightful piece Colonel. The Establishment Media love sound bytes and one sentence synopses of complex issues. Their latest mantra has become "the surge is working." The monthly total of Iraqi civilian deaths and American GI deaths has been reduced by approximately 50% since the full complement of "surge" troops arrived in country. That is a significant improvement -- but only in the context that any reduction in wholesale slaughter is an improvement. In fact, the situation continues to be wholly unacceptable. The "improved" conditions translate to roughly twenty U.S. troops and one thousand Iraqi civilians dying every month at present. One thousand civilians killed per month is hardly worthy of being called a "successful" or "working" strategy. Naturally the Iraqis don't concern themselves much American occupation troop deaths. That statistic is irrelevant to them in regard to whether or not their society is functioning. For the most part it is not. Not only are thousands of Iraqi civilians dying, but there's the comparatively small inconvenience of public water and electrical services remaining intermittent and unreliable four years after the American invasion. Those services functioned satisfactorily while Saddam Hussein was in power. The unemployment rate is variously reported as being between twenty and fifty percent and cases of malnutrition are above pre-invasion levels. Post-invasion Iraq is a basket case and a U.S. government/media paint job isn't going to put it back together. Oh yeah, I know, just give it more time. In seventy five years it'll all be straightened out.
Posted by:Mark KonradDecember 13, 2007 6:16:00 AMRespond ^
On this date in 1814 General A. Jackson declared martial law in New Orleans, in preparation for an attack by the British Army. Fresh from its defeat of the world's other superpower, France, the British Army stood astride the globe, alone and invincible. A bare month later the British Army attacked Jackson's force outside of New Orleans, with an arrogant, poorly informed leadership and likewise battle plan. Plowing headfirst into Jackson's impassioned irregulars hidden behind a high, stout entrenchment, red coated Scotsmen carrying scaling ladders and the belief that the shock and awe of seeing them approach would itself alone scatter the conglomerated Louisiana defenders, the best equipped, best trained, best lead soldiers in the world were shot dead by the hundreds. When the deaths reached over 2000, including the generals who had gotten them into such a fiasco, the British withdrew from the worst defeat in their entire imperial history. Amazing, isn’t it, what can happen when local population’s homes and families are threatened.
Posted by:BurningFeetDecember 13, 2007 8:53:05 AMRespond ^
Personally, General Paetreus is a classic preponant of counter insurgency. Unfortunately he serves a President who's official policy is not to negotiate with "bad people" and his source of tactical and political advice is Prayer. Well, that's not going to cut it. All I can say is our next President is either going to have to be very smart or willing to listen to good advice and have the moral framework to come up with a viable way forward for American foriegn policy. Being a good listener would be a starter. No more hillbilly preachers or people whom beleive the answers to the worlds problems will be revealed in prayer.I want to vote for a analytic thinker next go-around.
Posted by:FranklinDecember 13, 2007 4:15:58 PMRespond ^
There is definitely a winner to this sure to be intractably drawn out war, and that's the military's supplier's in the military industrial complex, who already own the majority of US media outlets. The obscenely rich who own these companies will bleed more trillions out of the American tax payer and dance on the American middle classes grave. It'll be the serfs and the nobles all over again, how can the starving afford to fight for civil rights?
Posted by:Stephan LaroseDecember 13, 2007 9:37:25 PMRespond ^
iraqi will never go to civil war...it is the iranian who are causing the killing of innocent iraqis with their best friends the zioints! iraq will be iraq for ever and ever...the name of iraq says it all! it means DEEP ROOTS! LONG LIVE IRAQ and shame on those who are causing wars and opperssion to humanity!
Posted by:hthaier@yahoo.comDecember 13, 2007 11:47:30 PMRespond ^
I just don't understand why this, and most, reporters on Iraq let the war-wagers off the hook by not stating the best estimate for Iraqi casualties, which is, by reasonable extrapolation of the Johns Hopkins' School of Public Health's definitive estimate, in excess of one-million. (It was also likely one-million as a result of bill clinton's sanctions, one-half of which were children.) Why can't reporters shut-up and tell it like it is? sp
Posted by:steve petersonDecember 14, 2007 10:43:15 AMRespond ^
We are, like good little soldiers, destroying the Middle East for the furtherment of Israel and its desires.And to maintain the ongoing and continual war that the Bush Admin. wants.War for profit!
Posted by:resadaDecember 14, 2007 3:58:17 PMRespond ^
"The Iraqi government, eager to claim credit for the decline in violence, offers returnees free transportation to Iraq, provides protection to the bus convoys and gives families $800 each to help with resettling. But American and U.N. officials warn that a big return of refugees could rekindle sectarian violence between Sunnis and Shiites and that some returnees have found their homes occupied by members of the other Muslim sect. Even the Iraqi government acknowledges it cannot handle a huge influx. "If we look at the past weeks, people have run out of money and have felt the necessity to return," said Astrid Van Genderen Stort, a UNHCR spokeswoman. Nearly 2 million Iraqis are believed to have fled to neighboring Arab countries since 2003 to escape the Sunni insurgency and sectarian violence. Most went to Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. About 2 million more are believed to have moved to other parts of Iraq. The reasons to stay away are compelling: 57 percent of families had been threatened directly, and 53 percent had survived bombings, the report said. Though violence has dropped dramatically in Baghdad and surrounding areas, bombings, mortar attacks and gunshots are a daily occurrence." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
Posted by:Mark KonradDecember 15, 2007 6:14:58 AMRespond ^
OK, Time out for a minute. If you really want to know why we're in this war in Iraq look at who's making the money. This money doesn't just go over to Iraq and disappear. Almost all the billions of dollars we spend on this war go to suppliers here in the United States. So: first check out who the suppliers are, second check out who contributed to the Bush/Cheney election campaigns and third check out the "Carlyle Group" (who they invest in and who's on the board).
Posted by:Time out:December 15, 2007 10:42:07 AMRespond ^
Check in out http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html
Posted by:TempestDecember 15, 2007 10:49:11 AMRespond ^
I agree with you that this writer's snide comment about the Orthodox and by association the Oriental Church is indicative of the unschooled and ignorant mindsset of American protestantism. Protestants almost universally will tell you that they are Christian because they believe in Christ. What an aboration--If this is what they believe makes you a Christian then indeed Satan would qualify. They would feel more comfortable wrapping themselves in the American flag as an artical of faith, than to acknoledge that Russia is one of he most devout, pious Christian nations in the world---even after the damage done by the communists. How sad. No wonder that the Moslems call America "Great Satan".
Posted by:MakariosDecember 15, 2007 12:16:32 PMRespond ^
The most clear-headed analysis of the situation if Iraq I've read.
Posted by:emooreDecember 15, 2007 7:56:10 PMRespond ^
I guess the worst case scenario is our whole force being cut off in Iraq and being forced to surrender. Given the incompetence and incompetence among both the civilian and military leadership in the country, that could perhaps happen.
Posted by:Walt MillerDecember 17, 2007 5:36:41 AMRespond ^
The Cheney cabal is not incompetent. They didn't just miss a turn and disband the Iraqi army. They did it on purpose. They wanted a Sunni-Shia scism. What was keeping that from happening was the iron control of Saddam. Presto Chango! Get rid of Saddam and Oil prices will sky-rocket and military contractors will thrive. It was a no-brainer for them. Maybe Cheney thought (with his bad heart), "I am a walking dead man, so your children should be too."
Posted by:WaltDecember 17, 2007 9:12:13 AMRespond ^
The Cheney cabal is not incompetent. They didn't just miss a turn and disband the Iraqi army. They did it on purpose. They wanted a Sunni-Shia scism. What was keeping that from happening was the iron control of Saddam. Presto Chango! Get rid of Saddam and Oil prices will sky-rocket and military contractors will thrive. It was a no-brainer for them. Maybe Cheney thought (with his bad heart), "I am a walking dead man, so your children should be too."
Posted by:WaltDecember 17, 2007 9:12:14 AMRespond ^
Gregg. Looks like you are putting one religion above Humanity. Is it Humane to disregard the plight of people that follow other religions? If this is the divisive way we go, the whole world will be at war because of intolerance towards each others' religion.
Posted by:SPDecember 19, 2007 11:04:58 AMRespond ^
The only thing that will start a regional war is if Iran decides to use one of its nuclear bombs 5 years from now. YES, Iran is building a bomb. Wake up people. Iran must be stopped!
Posted by:Ames TiedemanJanuary 1, 2008 8:44:33 AMRespond ^
What an excellent piece of Journalism, and spot on, much of what was written here was at one point a major discussion on Paul Krugmans old forum NYT, there were many saying that what we are going to see a Middle War over what has been related here in this excellent article. Little did I dream that the Bush administration would try and buy the peace that he desperately needs to justify his policies and his actions. Can anyone predict without blinking a Middle East conflict that will consume our Military and lead to a NUCLEAR EXCHANGE, ISRAEL WILL BE THE FIRST TO USE THEM, thats my thought; to survive what is coming. The second Holocaust. And we started it under false pretenses with Israel being Complicit in the scheme.
Posted by:NightsliderJanuary 2, 2008 9:37:03 PMRespond ^
Excellent Article! GO RON PAUL!!!!
Posted by:Tomas Estrada-PalmaJanuary 25, 2008 7:53:51 PMRespond ^
DAM%$ER EN^BDT SD
Posted by:rusilFebruary 7, 2008 7:48:53 AMRespond ^
What is it that gives America the right to occupy a foreign land like Iraq and set up a puppet government? Why does America keep talking about 'freedom' and at the same time hold the Iraqis and palestinians(using its fav pet, Israel) under slave-like conditions? It may sound like a cliche but America is working real hard to become the Evil Empire of the 21st century. But empires never last (and thank god for that)...
Posted by:FromEUFebruary 14, 2008 12:40:07 PMRespond ^
i googled william the concoror
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