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As he lay dying on the floor of the Ambassador Hotel kitchen pantry, his head was cradled by a Mexican American busboy. The previous day the same busboy, Juan Romero, had delivered room service to Kennedy. "He shook my hand as hard as anyone had ever shaken it," Romero later said. "I walked out of there 20 feet tall, thinking, 'I'm not just a busboy, I'm a human being.' He made me feel that way."

People like to talk about populism and change, but in the world of gritty American politics, where parties are locked in a petty and intractable clench, change seldom takes place. The people around Kennedy felt he was on the leading edge to a new world. Yet the actual policy changes Bobby Kennedy proposed were modest—for the most part, slightly better versions of the kinds of plans for jobs, health care, or environmental protection that Democrats are still floating today. His approach, however, was something else. When doctors asked Kennedy who was going to pay for improved medical care, he replied, "You will." He told corporate executives they had a moral responsibility to the citizenry. He insisted leaders take responsibility for their actions. George W. Bush is not his type of guy.

In a speech given a few days after the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and two months before his own, Kennedy said:

We know what we must do. It is to achieve true justice among our fellow citizens. The question is not what programs we should seek to enact. The question is whether we can find in our own midst and in our own hearts that leadership of humane purpose that will recognize the terrible truths of our existence.
We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of others. We must admit in ourselves that our own children's future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.
Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution.
But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can.
Surely, this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again.

Barack Obama's speechwriters must have studied this speech and others like it. Yet it means something—even if it does not mean everything we would wish—that words and sentiments like Bobby Kennedy's sound plausible coming from the lips of Obama, as they would from few other politicians I can think of.

Obama is no populist, either, in any meaningful sense of the word; his proposals for change are modest, and his movement about as thin as Bobby Kennedy's. He is a shrewd politician, appealing to the grassroots but also willing to deal with powerful corporate interests, just as Kennedy dealt with the machine politics of Mayor Daley and his ilk, knowing that he could not win without them. But Obama has something close to the same sense of public duty that Bobby Kennedy had. And somewhere inside his chest there seems to be a beating human heart, which is something we haven't had in the White House for a good long time.

Photo of Robert Francis Kennedy courtesy of the Library of Congress. Photo of Barack Obama by flickr user jvh33 used under a Creative Commons license.

James Ridgeway is Mother Jones' senior Washington correspondent.



 

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What a bunch of BS....Some of us actually read and know history!!!
The Kennedy's are not saints or icons of anything, history has passed judgement....Bobby Kennedy only acted because Martin Luther King made him act.
Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson are the heroes!!!!!

Bobby Kennedy was just another cheap politician, just like Obama

Posted by:cramosJune 5, 2008 11:48:44 AMRespond ^
I will agree with the author, he comes across as a very inspirational figure. I do not see how you could have read his platform/issues and considered his proposals for change modest. They are heavily weighing in on a "socialistic state" of providing for Americans from birth to adulthood while undermining our own capitalistic system. At a time when our economy is tanking, maybe the author should tell us what he proposes, since I have yet to figure out his plan to get us out of this mess outside of heavily taxing investors and corporations. And saying you will take it out of the hands of the private citizen and decisions will be made at the government level is ridiculous. Government can't even get themselves straight, do we want them handling our economy as well?
As to his credentials, Sen. Robert Kennedy might not have held office as a senator for very long, but he was the U.S. Attorney General and an advisor to Pres. Kennedy. Do you truly believe Sen. Obama has equal qualifications at the top level of government?
Posted by:GenevieveJune 5, 2008 11:51:22 AMRespond ^
the kennedys understood the economy, which is the foundation for EVERY social issue under the sun. JFK cut taxes, allowing african americans to start businesses and not be crippled by paying blood money to the government. obama adheres to only the bastardized version of the kennedys' ideology....the frosting without the cake.
Posted by:glebbyJune 5, 2008 11:53:05 AMRespond ^
I'm gonna play gotcha!!

James Ridgeway is a lazy journalist. A quick search @ Wikipedia indicates that LBJ did not lose the 1968 New Hampshire Democratic primary.
Posted by:Craig SwiesoJune 5, 2008 12:01:50 PMRespond ^
I forgot to add... they gave Sen. Clinton hell for even making reference to Sen. Kennedy still campaigning during the month of June. I wonder who will come after you for even bringing up the entire incident in your article? And you think you will have the freedom of the press for long under Sen. Obama's presidency? Dream on.
Posted by:GenevieveJune 5, 2008 12:04:49 PMRespond ^
Cramos: Are you aware that Lyndon Johnson plunged America into the Viet Nam war? Are you aware that Viet Nam was a war John F. Kennedy would not have fought? Are you aware that Lyndon Johnson spent his time picking bombing targets in the Oval Office? Are you aware of John F. Kennedy's handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis?

"Bobby Kennedy was just another cheap politician, just like Obama." Well Cramos, some of us really do read and know history. We know and appreciate what Obama stands for, and that is why he won the Democratic nomination. That is also why he will be our next President.

Your Obama comment is really only a cheap shot isn't it? I suggest you read and get to know history.
Posted by:StevenJune 5, 2008 12:10:17 PMRespond ^
Genevieve, You think you have freedom of the press under Bush Cheney? Dream on...
Posted by:Joe PaycheckJune 5, 2008 12:15:32 PMRespond ^
You might want to refresh your memory. Our initial entry into Vietnam started in 1959. And if you want to bring up the Cuban Missile crisis,("Some historians have blamed Kennedy for the missile crisis developing in the first place, claiming that the president made an enemy of Cuba and presented a weak, inexperienced image that encouraged the Soviet Union to take advantage.
"), maybe you would enlighten us more on the Bay of Pigs fiasco or Khrushchev pummeling Pres. Kennedy.(Google Kennedy Talked Krushchev Triumphed).
I still hold a lot of respect for Pres. Kennedy, but it wasn't Camelot.
Posted by:GenevieveJune 5, 2008 12:22:09 PMRespond ^
What a dumb comparison this one is. Bobby Kennedy was nothing like BHO. Bobby Kennedy took on the mob, led his brother through the confrontation with the USSR over cuban missles, and believed in equality. BHO hangs with and does business with organized crime (see Rezko), wants to negotiate with dictators who want us destroyed (presumably to negotiate our terms of surrender) and believes not in equality but in restitution for past inequality. The difference is unmistakable.
Posted by:SogJune 5, 2008 12:24:17 PMRespond ^
Why yes, do not confuse freedom of the press and what comes out of the White House. Was McClellan's book not published? How many journalists can still voice their opinions, and many depicting the White House in a negative light (which I am not saying isn't undeserving). Do you not see the labels the MSM has created towards individuals who question Sen. Obama? Racists, rednecks, uneducated... and I could go on. Any candidate or person who says one thing, if they can even make it into a story somehow linking it to Sen. Obama whether directly or indirectly, it is blown out of proportion and spread all over the news.
Do you truly believe that is unbiased and fair reporting or agents of propaganda?
Posted by:GenevieveJune 5, 2008 12:28:18 PMRespond ^
pleased to read all these progressive comments... WTF?
Posted by:BlakeJune 5, 2008 12:32:31 PMRespond ^
I see a more soft spoken Jesse Jackson, that's all. And that wife!! NO BAMA, NO WAY. We will not be duped by an adoring ultra liberal media. President Clinton was right, this guy has no business even running! UNQUALIFIED
Posted by:Straight ShooterJune 5, 2008 12:34:07 PMRespond ^
Can we stop this Kennedy adoration once and for all? All crooks and hypocrites, boot-leggers and drug addicts. NOT TO MENTION bad drivers near bridges. Never did anything good for the country.
Posted by:Straight ShooterJune 5, 2008 12:38:31 PMRespond ^
cramos,

Speaking the way you are, I am sure GWB is your hero.
Posted by:GinJune 5, 2008 1:00:22 PMRespond ^
Bobby Kennedy nor JFK for that matter ever flipped off their opponents and then was able to get away with it.

The media helped Obama big time even though he did his disgusting act in public, twice and on tape.

Gross.....


http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2 008/04/17/obama-stands-accused -of-conduct-unbecoming-a-presidential-candidate/

http://mahalo.com/Obama_Flips_Off_Clinton
Posted by:Truth SeekerJune 5, 2008 1:15:28 PMRespond ^
Outside of African-Americans, the RFK constituency largely supported Hillary Clinton.
Posted by:John PettyJune 5, 2008 1:37:22 PMRespond ^
More like the Peanut farmer Junior.

Obama will cower to the degree tha he'd make the "Peanut Farmer" look like Teddy Roosevelt.

870+ days and Obama still refuses to visit Iraq!

Chicken ..........
Posted by:nealJune 5, 2008 1:40:59 PMRespond ^
"this country of ours might actually pull itself together and become a little bit more compassionate or a little bit more just"

I hope you realize this great country is already more compassionate and just than almost any other in the world and certainly so for countries similar in size. Room to improve? Of course. But at least acknoweldge and appreciate that it is rather "together," "compassionate" and "just" even with Republicans inthe White house.
Posted by:Bruce WechslerJune 5, 2008 1:59:47 PMRespond ^
Are you impervious to the contradictions set up within a couple of paragraphs of each other:

First this throwaway:
Despite the example set by our current president, competence is not all that difficult to come by in Washington, DC. (In fact, our permanent civil service could get most things done much more effectively without any political leadership at all.)

Then this:
The Kennedy poverty program, run by Sargent Shriver and taken up by Lyndon Johnson after Jack Kennedy's assassination, quickly became a pork-barrel operation. In Chicago, for example, millions of federal dollars were pumped into Mayor Richard Daley's machine. None of the programs were conceived to threaten the status quo, which made them too tame for a lot of activists in the late 1960s. They were bootstrap projects, where the government would provide the poor with job training, education, and health care to help them elevate themselves to a point where they could jump off into the middle class. For the most part, this never happened.

Big Government is the one thing possibly then big business -- and if you can't grok something that basic you are truly a lost cause.
Posted by:nokarmahereJune 5, 2008 2:17:31 PMRespond ^
While we talk about Bobby Kennedy being seen in Barack Obama, why is nobody seeing Osama Bin Laden in Barack Obama?????
Posted by:Floyd M McFarlandJune 5, 2008 2:40:46 PMRespond ^
You have got to be kidding me!
Posted by:JayeJune 5, 2008 3:06:26 PMRespond ^
Barack Obama couldn't carry Bobby Kennedy's shoes. This man is about as shallow as they come and people just can't see it. But come November, he will have a rude awakening.
Posted by:StevieJune 5, 2008 3:08:19 PMRespond ^
Well Genevieve, Bush/Cheney haven't been able to take away freedom of the press, but they've done their level best to consolidate it and thereby eliminate diversity. There is now a right-wing slant to almost all newspapers, radio stations and television channels with the exception of PBS and possibly MSNBC. Even the small-town newspaper I work for has been purchased by a HUGE corporation that dictates editorial policy.

Diversity in American media is all but gone because big corporations have been allowed to gobble up everything they can afford to buy. Rupert Murdock's Fox News is a shining example of their new strategy of bias in the news. It's not hard to see the line between honest reporting and political propaganda.

Remember the days when the right shouted protests about the so-called "Liberal news media?" You don't hear that term anymore because the right solved their media problem, they bought it.

Have you not noticed the heavy coverage of Reverend Wright and the lack of equal coverage on Pastor Hagee or Parsley? That's bias in my book. The right-wing media chooses where to shine the spotlight, and the rest of the news monkeys fall in line so as not to appear to miss the "breaking story" or the "Lead" story.

The White House may not have total control over the media but they certainly have it on the floor with their boot on its throat.
Posted by:Joe PaycheckJune 5, 2008 3:14:47 PMRespond ^
Was Bobby a sexit like Obama? I don`t see anything Kennedy in Obama.Sorry sweetie.
Posted by:StellaJune 5, 2008 3:15:29 PMRespond ^
Floyd,
Please enlighten me. How do you see Bin Laden in Barack?
Posted by:JJune 5, 2008 3:16:24 PMRespond ^
No way, Jose. Bobby Kennedy served in the Navy, confronted the mob, served as attorney general advising his brother on critical issues as the Cuban Missile crisis. He really identified with the people, going to Appalachia himself to observe the stark conditions there and actively supporting Cesar Chavez and the farmworkers strike in California. He was a doer. Obama? Well, he was a "community activist" whatever that is.
Posted by:selenafanJune 5, 2008 3:18:35 PMRespond ^
I was pretty young when MLK and RFK were assassinated in 1968, 7 years old. But I already had a sense of the importance of the changes they were trying to bring about (I think politics are part of your genetic structure if you are raised in Chicago as I was). All of my grade school teachers were young college grads who, not surprisingly, though not in any heavy handed way, imparted the ideas of JFK, MLK, RFK to me and my generation. I believed deep in my heart that we could live in a society where everyone would be treated equally, in a world where we woudl care for our families and our neighbors, next door and around the world. These were men of great vision carrying a message of peace. In the decades that followed the violent and senseless silencing of those voices, I became more and more disillusioned with the level of corruption in our politicians, the (almost proud) selfishness that came to characterize us as a people, and as violence, most clearly exemplified in the Bush administration, came to be our way of dealing with the world. That line to the 60's, my teachers, those great men, seemed lost forever.

On Tuesday evening that all changed. I wept, not just for the joy of the moment, but mourning for the knowledge of how many years and lives have been lost before we could finally get back to that point 40 years ago. The point where one of our leaders could stand before us and talk about hope and being human again, about caring for families and (horrors) even people outside our borders.

Obama is not RFK he is the legacy that JFK, MLK, and RFK (and so many people of that era) left to MY generation. It took us a while to get here......but here we are.

Who can honestly know what will happen in November, but I pray everyday.
Posted by:BrianJune 5, 2008 3:21:56 PMRespond ^
You're hallucinating. I knew Bobby Kennedy and Obama is no Bobby Kennedy. There are many more similarities between the Clinton campaign and the Bobby Kennedy campaign, including the Liberal Wing of the Democratic Party hating Bobby Kennedy ... the fixed convention in Chicago ... and the running out of time aspects of Bobby's last campaign. On the other hand, Obama, prodigy of the current Mayor Dailey's Chicago Combine, has a lot in common with the party insiders of 1968 who backed Humphrey. Obama hasn't the passion of Robert Kennedy, a passion for the poor, for children, for the marginalized of society. Obama's constituency is made of up college grads earning over $50,000 a year and the entire black vote because, yes, as Gerry Ferraro pointed out at great risk to herself, Obama is black. I guess you have no idea who Bobby Kennedy is. Too bad. His death was a turning point in our political history and we have been swimming in mediocrity ever since. Shame on your for linking a corrupt Chicago politician with Robert F. Kennedy.
Posted by:MandelayJune 5, 2008 3:27:13 PMRespond ^
I'm with Joe and Brian. Well said gentlemen.
Posted by:JJune 5, 2008 3:27:40 PMRespond ^
Total crap. The Kennedy's came from a crooked family. Obama is just a prop for the democrats.
Posted by:YouchJune 5, 2008 3:36:34 PMRespond ^
So a Democrat offering a tax cut isn't good enough? Who offers to blur the lines between parties (reaching across the isle, pfft! Why does there even have to BE an isle, politically speaking?), to "weird" for you? Someone with a name like many Jewish kids (NEWS FLASH: Barack comes form Hebrew Baruch, there were Jews b4 there were Muslims). Someone who grew up not on the mainland, even (gasp) partly outside the U.S.? Are you that afraid of something different? Kenedy may not have been a saint, and neither is BHO admittedly, but you have to admit he inspires ppl, and surviving Illinois politics with only Rezko and Wright as onhangers was a feat. Whether u like or loathe him as a politician, the dude's a badass. You try beating the Clintons!
Posted by:Brian in FLJune 5, 2008 3:40:08 PMRespond ^
Has anybody at Mother Jones noticed that the 60s are over?
Posted by:DianeJune 5, 2008 3:56:35 PMRespond ^
This is an outright lie. I graduated from High School in 1968. Bobby Kennedy was simply JFK's younger brother... Helped up by JFK's nepotism. He may have been 'inspirational' to 1960's Liberal Democrats, but it stopped there.

The Obama comparison is to be expected - Liberal Democrats are on the rise again... But the more accurate comparison is to Jimmy Carter. Remember gas rationing? Iran Hostages? 18% mortgages? 10% unemployment? 12 % inflation? Soviet invasion of Afganistan?

Those are the facts of Liberal rule.
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Posted by:Bill SanfordJune 5, 2008 4:48:18 PMRespond ^
Bill Sanford is right! Good write up Bill.
Posted by:Food For ThoughtJune 5, 2008 5:20:45 PMRespond ^
I wonder if B. Hussein Obama's candidacy will end the same way as RFKs?
Posted by:Deep In ThoughtJune 5, 2008 5:22:51 PMRespond ^
Oh Diane, thanks to your compassionate conservative president and the deaths of more than 500,000 civilians in Iraq and 4000+ American souls....we're well aware that the 60's are indeed over.
Posted by:AlohaJune 5, 2008 5:52:58 PMRespond ^
Bill Sanford is so right, so very right...(slow down on the natty light buddy)

We don't have gas rationing (unless you consider not being able to afford it a form of rationing, right?) we have $4.00+ a gallon gas. Thank you Republicans.

We don't have 18% mortgages....hell, we don't have mortgages anymore, we have foreclosures. Thanks Republicans!

No hostages in Iran...thank god, just more than 4,000 dead soldiers and countless dead innocent women and children in Iraq. Thank you Republicans (oh, and Hillary too).

We don't have 10% unemployment, we have plenty of jobs, they just don't pay in real dollars anymore...

Median income for non-elderly households (those headed by someone under 65) fell again in 2006, declining by $275, or 0.5 percent. Median income for non-elderly households declined for the fifth consecutive year and was $2,000 (or 3.7 percent) lower in 2005 than in the recession year of 2001.

The poverty rate, at 12.6 percent, remained well above its 11.7 percent rate in 2001.

The median earnings of full-time year-round female workers fell for the third straight year, declining by $427, or 1.3 percent.


Invasion of Afghanistan by Soviets? No, we engineered one ourselves...and about as successfully as the Soviets. Thanks Repubs.


AND THESE ARE THE FACTS OF REPUB. RULE
Posted by:yerkiddinrightJune 5, 2008 6:23:35 PMRespond ^
Aloha, the Kennedys gave us Vietnam and 50,000 plus dead American soldiers.

Obama is just another Jimmy Carter.
Posted by:mickeyJune 5, 2008 6:25:40 PMRespond ^
James Ridgeway, isn't he the guy who first saw Jesus Christ in the cinnamon bun in the Nashville coffee shop?
Posted by:Protean PigJune 5, 2008 6:36:34 PMRespond ^


Look up SEATO

(President Eisenhower's Secretary of State John Foster Dulles (1953-1959)was the primary force behind the creation of SEATO, which expanded the concept of anti-communist collective defense to Southeast Asia.)
Posted by:AlohaJune 5, 2008 6:59:48 PMRespond ^
Yerkiddinright

Gas prices started shooting up AFTER the democrats took control of congress.

95% of all mortgage holders are making their payments. Boo Hoo for the idiots who signed up for an ARM.

3000 + dead on 911. Thank you Bill Clinton for feckless leadership. But most of all thank you Jimmy Carter for being the catalyst of the problems in the Middle East

We have a market based economy. You get paid what your worth. I’m hardly a rocket scientist but my income has risen on an average of 8% to 10% annually for the past 33 years. What am I doing right that you are not?

Poverty rates don’t reflect that more people considered “on poverty” today also have a home, own an automobile, have air conditioning, and cable TV.
Our “poor” have better lives than most of the worlds middle class.

Female workers and minorities won the lottery in corporate America. But then again you do need to have some higher education. Only 25% of adult Americans have any post high school education. Like I said, we have a market based economy. You get paid what you are worth. You can thank Clinton for NAFTA and the loss of manufacturing jobs for all the folks who didn’t make the effort to take some night classes and improve their employability. Speaking frankly, there are a lot of people who are not worth their salt. They are the ones who usually make the most noise as well.



Posted by:yeah rightJune 5, 2008 7:03:52 PMRespond ^
I have no problem giving Sen. Obama a B+ for his oratory skills. Other than that he is an empty suit, no real experience to speak of. His "new and fresh" ideas are nothing more than rebranded socialism. When listening to Sen. Obama, I am always reminded of Robert Preston playing the part of Professor Harold Hill in the Music Man.
Posted by:FoilJune 5, 2008 7:17:18 PMRespond ^
Why are you so filled with hatred? And are you implying that McCain has anything resembling a progressive notion in his platform?
Posted by:Erik kJune 5, 2008 7:31:13 PMRespond ^
Okay..

Now the MEDIA has stepped WAY over the line. How in the world can anyone compare the Obama's to the Kennedy's... First JFK now Bobbie and then Michelle to Jackie..

The media ... has already won him the nomination... by not reporting facts in a timely manner. MSM Knew about Viper Wright... prior to the FIRST state primary...THEY DID NOT REPORT IT.

So you the American voter have been cheated again...

KING OBAMA will not be PRESIDENT, he will become the first AFRICAN AMERICAN to become KING OF THE UNITED STATES.
Posted by:Miller51550June 5, 2008 7:34:03 PMRespond ^
Any person who suggests that Democrats are responsible for rising oil prices is really a fool. What economic initiatives have the Democrats been able to get passed in the last year? Nothing gets past the Republicans in the Senate who have the power to block legislation. The president still has enough votes to override any veto. Gas prices are largely a result of the foolish economic policies and lack of coherent energy policy of the current Republican administration.
Posted by:Erik kJune 5, 2008 7:35:00 PMRespond ^
Hey YeahRight....

Well, I guess that would explain why Oprah is "worth" way more than George Bush!!! LOL

Clearly you are not part of the 25%
Posted by:yerkiddinrightJune 5, 2008 8:00:55 PMRespond ^
It is easy for some, because the press didn't (and won't) report it, that Bobby was killed by a Palistinian terrorist, Surhan, Surhan. This was the first act of Islamic terroism against America.

Yet, Mr. Obama wants to "talk" to them, even though they have grown bolder and more muderous and now recriut mentally retarded youngsters to blow themselves up.

Let's look at ALL the similarities and changes that have gone on in the last 40 years, not just the ones that fit our own personal, immediate agenda.

Hope this helps;
Posted by:Will DeckerJune 5, 2008 8:01:09 PMRespond ^
Democrats resonsible for high gas prices:

1) Stopped drilling in ANWAR.
2) Stopped drilling on the coasts.
3) Stopped the building of more refineries.
4) Stopped bulding nuke plants.
5) Want cap and trade.
6) Al Gore (nuff said!).
7) Support the terroists (by not stopping or allowing them to be stopped).
8) Support Chavez (and Castro and idolize Che).
9) Were against the war in Iraq and now want to surrender.
10) Believe that pig tail lights and solar and wind and conservation will be able to replace the 13% or oil that we use with these tactics.

Clear?
Posted by:Will DeckerJune 5, 2008 8:09:16 PMRespond ^
what about community action in the war on poverty? or the job corps? these programs were successful, no? head start and legal services too of course.
Posted by:cottonJune 5, 2008 9:54:08 PMRespond ^
Not sure the Kennedy/Obama comparison is a very good one in light of what happened to Kennedy
Posted by:NietzscheJune 5, 2008 9:56:36 PMRespond ^
this is bull[deleted].
Posted by:morrison..June 5, 2008 10:24:55 PMRespond ^
Especially to Mlle. Genevieve..I haven't got time to examine all your posts (are you, by chance, a GOP troll?)..but as to Viet Nam..honey..our involvement started LONG before 1959..before WWII ended! As to Clinton's reference to Robert Kennedy..she didn't "catch hell" because she referred to his campaigning in June..THAT would have been what we'd all expect, in the taste and relevance department..No..she instead referred to RFK's assassination! She did this at least three times, in interviews, spoken and written, over at least a couple of months! It was tasteless, tacky and shockingnly revealing! And..where were you when all this was going on?? At a GOP talking points meeting? Ta-ta..troll!
Posted by:EisenhowerGalJune 5, 2008 11:03:59 PMRespond ^
This is just an unmitigated pile! Boy..the trolls are out, on this site, tonight!
Posted by:EisenhowerGalJune 5, 2008 11:06:45 PMRespond ^
Either you are a terminally stupid person, to believe such crud..or you are a GOP troll..either way..get off the site!
Posted by:EisenhowerGalJune 5, 2008 11:10:05 PMRespond ^
Will Decker..you are an unmitigated racist..a moron of the first order..and a reight-wing troll! You are an embarrassment to us all. Get off!
Posted by:EisenhowerGalJune 5, 2008 11:13:00 PMRespond ^
Barack Obama is no Bobby Kennedy. Period,end of discussion. Are you nuts?
I worked with RFK. RFK had experience and he was Mr. tough guy when he needed to be. Obama may be a good guy but there are no Rezko's in Bobby's past. C'mon end the Bobby Obama BS. I was with him in California right to the end and there is no comparison. Stop It!
Posted by:FainstadtJune 5, 2008 11:22:19 PMRespond ^
Again, one of the Mother Jones' staff proves to us that this publication puts words before actions. Hope doesn't put food on the table (unless divine) and Mr. Obama is neither divine nor has he voted or pushed for any legislation that does this. Hot air...but it's pretty, right?
Posted by:MarkJune 6, 2008 12:49:35 AMRespond ^
Wow! It must be all about perception because I see no similarities between Bobby Kennedy and Obama other than they are both male and both Democrats. I see in Obama, a left of left candidate, with a huge file of connections to some of the most radical and hate filled elements in our society. Bobby Kennedy was in direct opposition to radical and hate filled. But then, I look into an empty pasture and see just grass growing, while others apparently see a field of unicorns. Good luck to the Democratic Party with their unicorn in the general election.
Posted by:sharon ashJune 6, 2008 6:56:18 AMRespond ^
Nonsense. RFK actually did something, not just make speeches.
Posted by:JFEJune 6, 2008 12:53:53 PMRespond ^
Let's just split the country in half already. I don't think we're getting along.
Posted by:YouPeopleJune 6, 2008 1:17:11 PMRespond ^
Much as we love to idealize the memory of Bobby Kennedy, let us not forget that he was the most ruthless of the Kennedy clan.
His efforts to kill Fidel Castro are one example. It may be just as well that he
was not elected president.
Posted by:Philip HicksJune 6, 2008 1:18:41 PMRespond ^
Barack is perpetuating the "war on terror" by reiterating Bush-talk about Iran's looming threat, and supported Palestinian atrocities by ommitting them from his AIPAC address. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CREATE AN OBAMA/BUSH CHALLENGE AND SEND IT TO MOVEON??
Posted by:FlowerGuerrillaJune 6, 2008 1:21:37 PMRespond ^
Saddened by the ignorance. Time in our little lifeboat will be 'difficult' with such fools.
Posted by:PrincipateJune 6, 2008 1:21:37 PMRespond ^
No. He is the new Lincoln!
Posted by:Jim from TacomaJune 6, 2008 1:22:40 PMRespond ^
All you media folks make my skin is craw! You folks and your King, Kennedy, Obama rubbish - like some sort of macabre foreboding trinity - are really too creepy. All the horrible memories and images one can imagine and you all put Obama at the center of it. What are your folks smoking? How to inspire a lunatic assassin! Totally creepy. The media is disgusting.
Posted by:JohnJune 6, 2008 1:29:48 PMRespond ^
This "deification" of Obama continues...we will NOT be able to elect him if this process continues. There is a sense of reality that one knew from Bobby Kennedy's political metamorphisis that one does NOT find if Obama.Despite his "words" he is NOT the progressive he presents himself as.If one really examines his record and given some of the positions he took during the campaign the issue is surely in doubt.We will NEED the most PROGRESSIVE CONGRESS we can get to really bring about the "CHANGE" we ALL WANT and NEED>
Posted by:Dr.Anthony R. PelusoJune 6, 2008 1:38:39 PMRespond ^
Speaking on behalf of the youth: Wow, this has been a fascinating read. Not the article, but this entire thread of name calling, insults, and holier than thou attitudes. You wonder why the youth of our country are so disillusioned? You all, each of you on this thread are responsible to provide examples of leadership to young people. It's not just the job of politicians that everyone loves to slam. It starts with each and every one of YOU.

Whatever you want to say about Obama, he has inspired millions of us who have never paid attention to politics before to start paying attention now. Like many, I'm searching for hope somewhere, anywhere. And I can assure you, it's unlikely to be found on a thread like this. I may be young, and likely more ignorant than many of you when it comes to political and historical facts. But I'm smart enough to know that name calling and insults is not the way to conduct a discussion. Why not trying a civilized exchange? Instead of throwing out insults, why not offer your points with respect and integrity? Make me want to research what you're saying so I can make more educated decisions. Inspire me with your opinions. You are our patriarchs and matriarchs - lead by example.

Now before you get all defensive and slam what I'm saying - Stop….take a big breath…..think about if your young son or daughter or grandson or granddaughter were listening to you all. What would you like them to take away from this discussion? How can you inspire them to want to care about what's happening in our government and in our world? What can you say that will empower them to want to make changes? Working yourself up into a frenzy is not good for your blood pressure, and we need you around to help us figure out what to do with this mess. We want to hear what you have to say, we would just appreciate it if you could lower your voice a little...
Posted by:The voice of youthJune 6, 2008 1:48:58 PMRespond ^
Its comments like this, that make me sick! Obama,is nothing like, Kennedy!
Obama, hasn't told us the truth about
Who; he really is or what his plan is either! Obama, sounds like he's giving
a se rmon rather than a political speach, I guess sitting in that rasit
church for 20 years has wrapped his mind! We'll be voting for a republican this year, at least we know what; Mc Cain stands for instead of vudo Muslisum. Obama, Michelle, are both white haters, bigots.If you want your
money sent to Africa, and doled out for more black progams instead of to help
us all equally-vote for a liar with
connections to criminals Obama! IMHO Or look it up yourself, on the Internet its easy to find!Obama's father, wasn't any poor farmer, he was wealthy a womanizer who, spent his money working to promte the Muslim cause. Obama, has done zip other than some pro bono work for blacks, in his area after he got his law degree. This election was rigged! We all know it, by the democartic party big wigs! Kennedy, Nancy P, Edwards ( who wanted to be VP) an others. I hope they don't think the public, is stupid and didn't see through this outrageous bias fiasco. I'm educated so are the members of ,my family( we all have degrees) calling, Hillary C. voters un educated was the "wrong thing" to do. Obama has lost the vote of many many citzens forever in November!
Posted by:GigiJune 6, 2008 2:04:35 PMRespond ^
I was so moved once again by the words or Robert Kennedy. I was only 8 years old but I remember watching him speak and feeling moved at such a young age. I also remember the day he died. What I appreciate about Robert Kennedy, as I did about Malcolm X, was that neither were saints, and neither lived without making mistakes; But both were willing to realize their mistakes and evolve. I think Bobby Kennedy really did have a huge change of heart about the war - and in traveling around and seeing how others lived, first hand, he saw the need for us to change.

What we have had in this country for too long is too much selfish self-interest and interest in money making. Not all self-interest is bad, and money in and of itself isn't bad, but to place oneself and one's own comfort above that of all the rest is what has been taking our country down over the past few decades. The Republicans don't get it. Our actions matter in the world.
What America does affects how other people live and die in other parts of the world. I wish more politicians would end not just by saying. God Bless America - but God Bless Our World and All of it's people.
Posted by:graceJune 6, 2008 2:11:06 PMRespond ^
Where are you seeing the similarities?
Can you be specific?
Posted by:graceJune 6, 2008 2:23:19 PMRespond ^
To Voice of Youth

There are many of us older folks for Barack as well. I believe in trying to be the change you want to see. There are lots of us out there. We just have to try to rise above the fray and continue to take the right action. Reading some of the posts reminds me of how folks behave when they're behind the wheel of a car. Lots of the stuff said on line wouldn't be said face to face - or at least I hope so. But the anonymity gives people the sense that they can get away with a virtual flipping off of others.

Try to keep the faith. I believe that most human beings actually want to do the right thing.
Posted by:graceJune 6, 2008 2:35:52 PMRespond ^
folks, let's be a bit civil here. We don't need the "take no prisoners attitude" in this discussion. Yes the NH primary was the turning point...but remember wasn't it Wayne Morse who first asked RFK to run, and then McCarthy after RFK declined. Then for whatever reason, I don't recall RFK started getting traction and those of us who were working for McCarthy thought RFK was a carpetbagger both for NY Senator, (like one modern day senator--why does NY embrace these outsiders??) and then joining the race. Also it is important to remember that progressive did not think the Kennedy's were true progressives. Oddly, HHH was a much more tradtional progressive, but got tinged by LBJ and Vietnam.
Posted by:jwalkerJune 6, 2008 2:41:10 PMRespond ^
It is curious that you make a Bobby-Barack comparison. Let me tell you why. Forty years is approximately two generations. When I went to college almost fifty years ago, as a student newspaper writer, I had to brave a local "gentlemens' agreement" that the picketing of downtown movie theaters would not be covered -- period. My story ran in the student paper and I won two Sigma Delta Chi awards that year...for two OTHER articles.

When I went to UCLA grad school, I mixed for the first time in my life with African-Americans and found it awkward. One night at a party where pot was being consumed, I almost bumped into Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in a kitchen doorway and, due to my pontificating as to how pot led to heroin, was told in booming, certain voice, "YOU TALK TOO MUCH!"

I looked up at the man I thought I knew as Lew Alcindor and said, "Yes, sir!" And I kept my piehole shut from that moment until I left.

Not long after, I was in Bobby's Presidential Suite at the Ambassador the night a programmed assassin named Sirhan Sirhan put bullets into the body of the man I was beginning to think would have made the best president since Lincoln.

The Suite was about fifty percent African-American and mostly ladies at that. When the TV's in the room broke in on the story unfolding that very moment in the basement of the Hotel, everyone in the room began to sob violently in unison. My hand tightened around the cheap highball glass in my grasp and shattered it, cutting me.

As I do not believe in a Deity, I can only hope Obama is Our Hope. So far, he is the fulfillment of one of my life's dreams -- the same dream drempt by Abraham, Martin, John, and Bobby.
Posted by:James M. MartinJune 6, 2008 2:43:52 PMRespond ^
is obamma the next bobby, hell no hes the next booby,
Posted by:arizonaJune 6, 2008 3:54:14 PMRespond ^
It's true that the policies of Robert Kennedy were not revolutionary, as compared for instance, to those of Dr. Martin Luther King who knew that economic equality was a necessary precursor to true "racial equality" and knew that it would take systemic change as opposed to reform. Nevertheless, it wasn't just the words of Kennedy that impressed. The fact that he DID go out into those communities that were usually invisible to the press and to the political world and we did see him there, with the poorest of the poor, added power to his words. I have not seen that kind of commitment from Obama. I haven't heard it from him either. I heard more about that from John Edwards and even Hillary Clinton. In one speech given by Obama in which he addressed the issue of how he would deal with poverty in America, he talked only of giving breaks to the working poor and said nothing of the growing millions of Americans who are without work, who are disabled, who are living in areas to which work will likely never return. Obama harks back to his days as a community organizer frequently. And that organizing amounts to three short years of working with inter-faith groups. In Saul Alinsky territory. Not impressive, though definitely better than John McCain.
To draw a true comparison between Obama and Kennedy, one must imagine, not what Obama might have done THEN, but what Kennedy might do NOW. And I'm quite sure it wouldn't have been revolutionary either. America will not recognize the need for that until it is too late to stop it.
Posted by:hysperiaJune 6, 2008 3:56:37 PMRespond ^
At the time my friends and I became Kennedy backers because we thought he could win.We were all with McCarthy and saw Kennedy as a johnny-come-lately...but we knew Eugene could not win...but Bobby MIGHT...AND THE WAR WOULD END
Posted by:johnJune 6, 2008 4:18:43 PMRespond ^
Back Barack!!! He is this country's only hope to reverse the horrible damage done to our liberties and world image by Bush Jr.
Posted by:GlenJune 6, 2008 5:08:11 PMRespond ^
I am so sick of the Obama Worship!!
Wasn't it enough to make him God?
Posted by:Julie M.June 6, 2008 5:18:18 PMRespond ^
Amazing, the amount of villification-per-square-inch of Barack Obama, that resides within this one comment section.

Was there some sort of blackout over at Fox & Friends? (*rolleyes*) Personally, I haven't decided if I'm going to vote for the man: but anyone who claims that

a. He'll censor the media, if elected;
b. He is a racist;
c. He has extensive ties to radical Leftists;
d. He's a MUSLIM (BIIG *Rolleyes*...as if THAT MATTERED);
e. The media have been doing ANYTHING but trivializing and looking at horserace analyses (the idea that the MSM is "protecting" Obama somehow, is speculative, at the least; conspiracy-inspired fantasy, at worst);

or even that

e. Obama will lead us out of Iraq.

All you ConservaTrolls reveal yourselves easily enough with your "Obama's-election-means-that-the-terrorists-win" nonsense.

And yes, IMO, it is reasonable to compare RFK & BHO...sure, they are different men; different times; but there are also similarities in their respective positions, and the correlation btw Vietnam and Iraq needs no edification.
Posted by:thornsoftristanJune 6, 2008 5:25:26 PMRespond ^
Dear Mother Jones...who are these people that you send e-mail stories to? Half of them COULD NOT read Mother Jones...or at least would never pay for it.The only person I liked was the young person who asked us all to consider what we are saying,john
Posted by:johnJune 6, 2008 5:55:27 PMRespond ^
rfk was a woderful hope for our country,a chance to really heal us,we lost a lot of our soul when was murdered ,he was our moralatily barometeor, and in a way our first 911
Posted by:rick taylorJune 6, 2008 6:26:26 PMRespond ^
obama...is an unknown, he is the result of frustration...a segment of americans are willing to gamble it all on an uncertain CHANGE,...cant say there totally wrong,,,,the frustration is real and intensifing.....but bobby was well known and well loved his crowds were hero worship and had felt strongly about him for years....obama,bit of a media creation im afraid
Posted by:rick talorJune 6, 2008 6:37:08 PMRespond ^
In reading these ignorant hate-filled comments, I understand why we ended up with Bush/Cheney and our tax coffers were pilferred in the billions/trillions by their corporate cronyism.
Posted by:jwise42June 6, 2008 6:50:02 PMRespond ^
I find the present obsession with dead Kennedys and Obama trite. Is Barack the next Bobby Kennedy? No. Bobby is dead. Is Barack the next Jack Kennedy? Dear God, let’s hope not! And by the way, Jack’s dead too.

How about this? Barack Obama is learned, politically astute, forward thinking, and an amalgam of local, national and global movements, beliefs and strategies. Giving honor to all who have gone before, Barack Obama is his own man. I do wish folks would find other points of reference - preferably among those still breathing.
Posted by:Denise HarveyJune 6, 2008 7:31:00 PMRespond ^
Get a clue. Gays marching in lock-step on two left feet for a candidate who promises, in the name of RELIGION no less, to issue us a civil union certificate of inequality. Kissing up to ‘separate but equal’ gay jim crow laws when we have essentially won this culture war? Compromise now? What cowards! After California and now New York preparing to recognized those marriages, this culture war is over. It is end game.

Hey kids, has anybody done their homework? Obama has unequivocally and un-apologetically promised to violate the First Amendment (Separation of Church and State) for the nefarious purpose of denying a 'fundamental' civil (secular) right guaranteed under the 'due process' and 'equal protection' provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment. That's not one Constitutional violation but two. This one is a no-brainer. See "Untangling Barack Obama's audacious mumbo jumbo," http://ebar.com/common/inc/article_print.php?sec=guest_op&article=73

Go ahead and march backwards in lockstep on two left feet demanding nothing but do not cry foul when Obama (just like Bill Clinton and his promise to end discrimination in the military) enacts prejudice into law in the name of religion.

Posted by:JohnJune 6, 2008 9:36:44 PMRespond ^
Wow. So exactly HOW many children have been left behind? I guess education has become so dumbed-down that the only way to flunk a history test is to not show up for the exam. Come on folks just a thimble full of law and history might help. Kennedy and civil rights? LOL! JFK would have nothing to do with the March in Washington because he won by virtue of the Southern segregationist vote. He had to be pushed into a corner and shamed before the world before he sent the national guard in to desegregate the schools TWENTY years after Brown v. Board. And RFK did all he could to thwart John Lewis and the Freedom Riders and only took action to protect them after busses were burned, activists were murdered, and “the whole world was watching.” The best thing either of the Kennedys did for civil rights was to take a bullet in the head to get them out of the way so LBJ and the rest could get done the job the Kennedys did not have the guts to confront face to face. Put down the fiction and go read history children. And, oh yes, stay away from that Obama Kool-Aid stand.
Posted by:CoryJune 6, 2008 9:52:00 PMRespond ^
Right on! Testify!
Posted by:ToddJune 6, 2008 9:54:19 PMRespond ^
Well nice to see someone has done their homework.
Posted by:coryJune 6, 2008 9:55:13 PMRespond ^
Yes! Thanks for the great link! The emperor has no cloths!
Posted by:ThomasJune 6, 2008 9:56:21 PMRespond ^
To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen:
I knew Bobby Kennedy.
I worked for Bobby Kennedy.
Bobby Kennedy inspired me as no political figure has before or since. And Barack Obama is NO Bobby Kennedy.

Seriously, MoJo - you used to commit admirable acts of real journalism. What has happened to you??
Posted by:Half Voter in FLAJune 6, 2008 9:59:32 PMRespond ^
How self-revealing. For the most part the writers here are either senile old liberals with long term memory loss or children too lazy to do their homework and eager to slop up whatever spoon fed pablum propaganda the Madison Avenue spin doctors spoon feed them. Forget about the Pledge of Allegiance, do these lapel pin patriots even have a clue what the 1st and 14th amendments say?
Posted by:JamesJune 6, 2008 10:13:51 PMRespond ^
Barack a Bobby?! Please. Bobby was sexy and handsome. Barack looks like Irkle with a good tailor.
Posted by:StacyJune 6, 2008 10:16:51 PMRespond ^
Awww, whatsa matter? Did Mommy take away your allowance for beating up little girls on the playground again?
Posted by:Half Voter in FLAJune 6, 2008 10:22:43 PMRespond ^
Last comment was meant for "James"
Posted by:Half Voter in FLAJune 6, 2008 10:23:50 PMRespond ^
The queers have essentially won the battle so why capitulate to the enemy now? If a politician is in bed with both Evangelicals and gays don’t you think someone is bound to get screwed. Who do you think that’s going to be? When a politician marches a crackpot preacher into the public square and promises, in the name of religion (yes, some here got it right) to deny equality, we can well guess who is about to get screwed. To paraphrase Deiderot “man will never be free until the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last preacher.’
Posted by:JanetJune 6, 2008 10:52:09 PMRespond ^
Half voter or half wit whatever it is. Off to bed with you little one.
Posted by:JamesJune 6, 2008 10:59:09 PMRespond ^
Wow Janet! Well said!
Posted by:JamesJune 6, 2008 11:03:08 PMRespond ^
It would be easy to make too much of the similarities between R.F.K and Obama? Really. Like what? You mean like both being entirely disingenuous about their advantages?

Let me see now, a rich patrician politician shakes a lowly bus boys hand and speeches written by a team of speech writers (a.k.a. ad men) tell us how much heart a politician has. I think that call this ‘authenticity’? And while Mr. "Humble beginnings" (gimmie a break!) Obama was enjoying the privileges of tony prep-schools and the finest private universities affirmative action could offer, gay men and lesbian women were spilling their warm blood on the cold streets of Alabama, Chicago, etc., so that he and his parents could enjoy their civil rights unmolested. But now that he has his rights he tells us America is "not ready" for this much equality. Nothing personal. Some of his best friends are gay, no, really.

Front of the bus or back. Marriage or civil unions. Why dicker? Words don’t matter? Obama tells us this is mere “semantics.” As the Supreme Court said when it laid down the invidious doctrine of ‘separate but equal’ in the infamous case of Plessy v. Ferguson “one side of the street is as good as the other.” Nothing personal. It's religion you see. And that was the exact same rationale used to convict Obama’s parents as felons in over half the states the day they were married.

Robert Kennedy’s disingenuous compassion for the poor was a Madison Avenue fairy tail. A photo op in a Tobacco Road shack and then back to the safe harbor of the family compound. When you have money you can buy almost any image you want. And Barack Obama is an untested politician who has done virtually nothing but campaign for president, make fancy speeches (written of course by others) and purportedly write books. His support clearly demonstrates that consent can be manufactured. Enough money? No problem.

Now witness the gullible, the bamboozled, the hoodwinked, and the naive swallowing this a public relations snow job like Jonestown Kool-Aid! P. T. Barnum was right, "There's a sucker born every minute." If it this easy to pull the wool over The People's eyes then Winston Churchill was right when he cynically quipped that "the best argument against Democracy is a ten minute conversation with the average voter."

Except for trite Hallmark sentiment this writer has nothing to say and wastes too much time saying it. No wonder he was ‘laid off’ at the Village Voice.

Posted by:JohnJune 7, 2008 2:10:45 AMRespond ^
How is it that even a journal like Mother Jones attracts so much apoplectic fury - that casts so much heat, so little light? What sort of an argument is it that puts invective and personal abuse above reason?

Does my mystification arise from the fact that I don't live in the USA?
Posted by:seriouslymystifiedJune 7, 2008 3:31:39 AMRespond ^
No seriouslymystified. It’s just because it’s not your ox that’s being gored in the name of Religion and by a Liberalism. Our First Amendment revere the marketplace of free ideas that is robust and wide open and it respects the right of any nincompoop to stand on a street corner and heap invective on all in public office.

And when harm is done to others and their ‘fundamental’ rights denied as an exercise in virtue then one can well expect the invective to fly. Politics in America is a blood sport and if your ox was being gored I suspect (I’d hope) you’d defend your rights with zealous advocacy. Deny a persons equal legal dignity in the name of religion (as Obama clearly and un-apologetically does) and THAT is a deeply “personal abuse” for which opprobrium is an entirely appropriate defense as well a deserving response.
Posted by:JohnJune 7, 2008 4:45:18 AMRespond ^
Dear "The Voice of Youth"...: Okay, time for 'you' to take a deep breath. Barney that you watched growing up, singing "I love you and you love me..." that was just a TV program. Politics is about power and greed. No one involved, loves anything but the power and greed. Got that part? Okay, let's go on to another important point. Neither Obama, Hillary, McCain, Jesus, The Buddha, Gandhi...the list could go on for miles...has the answer for America so far as 'fixing things'. The answer for America's 'fix' lies in the heart of each and every American, not in another flawed politician. But, thank you for becoming involved, for caring about this country. We will move this country forward only to the extend that we are able to find people to serve who themselves have moved into more enlightened thinking. Sorry to tell you, but for all his eloquent speeches, Obama is not an enlightened leader. He has far too much of his energy invested in anger. He likes and associates with angry people, i.e. his church and his wife. Anger, fear, hate, war, violence...all found in lower level thinking. We have just lived through almost 8 years of fear based uninspired leadership and now Obama wants to bring his angry and uninspiring leadership. Obama has never gotten past his anger, no reason to believe he will be any better as a president.
Posted by:Sharon AshJune 7, 2008 7:39:20 AMRespond ^
The hope that JFK ignited in our hearts died as each of the three greatest American Leaders was assassinated one at a time. On the day that a bus boy nestled the bloodied head of RFK in his lap, the decade of hope passed. Killed by an assassins bullet.
Barak Obama has rekindled that hope. We all hope for a better world, a better country, a better community, a better life for our children. Maybe, it still can become a reality. Maybe Obama is the man that will show us the way. All hail the new decade of hope.
Posted by:BillpJune 7, 2008 1:21:18 PMRespond ^
I'm curious. Just what does he really stand for? Please indicate how his voting record (particularly prior to his candidacy) supports your assertions.
Posted by:dismayedJune 7, 2008 1:24:36 PMRespond ^
to steven, are you aware jfk. was president during the viet nam war, lbj was his vice president. you don;t know your history at all , lbj inherited the war from jfk.also bamma won the presidency because axelrod was bammas carl rove.
Posted by:arizonaJune 7, 2008 1:55:47 PMRespond ^
Well, Sharon I half agree with you. But I think (hope) Obama will be a better president than Bush. You are right about Obama’s lack of enlightenment. He made his deal with the devil (in this case the black church and a crackpot preacher), the devil paid his dues, and now that Obama got the benefit of the bargain he wants out of the deal. To whoever provided the link to the brief essay on Barack Obama’s mumbo jumbo, thanks. Very helpful.

In this vapid essay James Ridgeway talks about Chicago politics and Saul Alinsky who is Obama’s hero and organizational role model. Mr. Ridgeway might take the advice of one of the Biblical prophets who said, “it is best to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.” In other words it’s best to not speak on matters of which one knows nothing.

Hillary Clinton was wise enough to disassociate herself from Alinsky many years ago when her husband took office and she went to great lengths to suppress her 1969 honors thesis on Alinsky and make it unavailable to the public. Though all such theses are freely available to scholars Hillary's alma mater, Wellsley College, was persuaded to enact a special rule to hide the document lest it be used as a "Swift Boat" attack against her. It is therefore rather ironic that Obama should boast of a role model that wiser politicians thought prudent to disassociate themselves from long ago. While Alinsky was actually Clinton's mentor (Obama never met him) she was wise enough to dissociate herself from so controversial a character who openly admitted to both Socialist, a Marxist and a Communist with mob affiliations! Great role model senator.

Obama resembles Alinsky by his ruthlessness pandering to whatever faction, no matter how sordid, could serve his agenda: namely to "rub to raw the sores of discontent" (as Alinsky said) in order to acquire power and this the very reason Hillary Clinton was wise enough to disassociate herself from Alinsky long ago. Alinsky often boasted of being "an honorary member of the mob," of being the "buddy" of Big Ed Stash who was a professional assassin and Al Capone's top executioner, and that he was taken under the wing of Frank Nitti known as Capone's Enforcer and "number two man" in actual defacto control of the mob after Capone's income-tax rap. Indeed, Alinsky called this nefarious character "Professor" and became his "student." Nitti's boys took Alinsky everywhere and showed him all the mob's operations. No wonder Hillary Clinton thought it wise to disassociate herself from Alinsky even though she respected his organizational abilities. This is the man who Obama claims to be his "best disciple" and role model. How telling! How chilling! Mr. Ridgeway, did the dog eat your homework?

No one can think that Barack Obama (who was raised in a purely secular household) suddenly 'found Jesus' and became a Christian because of some religious epiphany on the road to power. As Obama himself revealed in Dreams from My Father, during his organizing of the black churches on Chicago's South Side it became conspicuous that he didn't attend services and he was told that, if he wanted black Christians to have any faith in him, it would help his political mission if he had a church and it didn't matter where. Apparently Obama became a "Christian" purely for political purposes. A matter of pure pragmatism. So Obama hooked up with a crackpot preacher leader of faction of black Christian separatists. Very interesting. James Ridgeway, do your homework.

Ironically Barack Obama is the kind of politician that Saul Alinsky ridiculed as a “Mr. But.” E.g. ‘No one should be discriminated against BUT marriage had religious connotations and is between a man and a woman.’

In "Reveille for Radicals" Alinsky asks all the "Mr. Butts" like Obama, "IS THE CHURCH SO VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS A SPIRITUAL SANCTUARY OR BECAUSE IT'S A POLITICAL POWER FOR JOBS AND MATERIAL SUCCESS?"

I think Obama has demonstrated the answer to that question quite well for he does not hesitate to ostentatiously flaunt his religion for the purpose gaining power and denying civil rights. Alinsky would say to Obama, "You really don't like [gays'], you just tolerate them. You are a very tolerant, Mr. Butt." Instead of being lapdogs some so-called ‘journalists’ should go some homework.

Inclusiveness? Though American born I am a Buddhist and like those of several other religions we do not believe in any god. Surprise, surprise, there are millions of us born in America. Like Clarence Darrow “I don't believe in God, because I don't believe in Mother Goose.” So when we hear Barack Obama stand up and thank god, and shout god bless you, god bless American. God, god, god, god, god, our skin crawls.

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize [hu]mankind." (Thomas Paine, Age of Reason.)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." (James Madison, Memorial & Remonstrance)

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." (Thomas Jefferson)

Steven Weinberg (Nobel Prize in physics) once said “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” As some here have astutely noted, Barack Obama is the only candidate who uses religion as his rationale to deny civil, secular, equality and a ‘fundamental’ civil right. As Bertrand Russell said, “the Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world.”

Anyone not totally asleep realizes that this planet will have a nuclear theocracy within the next few years. Since Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34) we should all worry when Barack Obama praises god, god, god, god. “I'm offended by the kind of smarmy religiosity that's all around us, .... you know after a while you get tired of hearing clergymen giving the invocation at various public /celebrations and you feel, haven't we outgrown all this? Do we have to listen to this?” (Steven Weinberg)

There is a reason why Evangelicals despise McCain but love Obama and when Barack Obama flaunts his appalling religiosity in the public square, if we have but one prayer let it be, “Mr. Jefferson! Build up this wall!

Posted by:John MJune 7, 2008 1:56:54 PMRespond ^
for a more insightful comparison, see John Pilger in NEWSTATESMAN.
Posted by:Rex ClarkJune 7, 2008 2:15:04 PMRespond ^
Gee, I guess that after GM, Ralph Nader and Corvair, it’s been downhill for James Ridgeway. Need we wonder why he was “laid off” at the Village Voice? Too bad Mother Jones has become a dead-end street for vapid propagandists in journalist drag. But in spite of pandering lap dogs it’s heartening to see a few watch dogs here who bark against stupidity and hypocrisy. Mother Jones, fire the lap dogs and hire some of these iconoclastic commentators who have so eloquently debunked your vapid, brain-dead, propaganda.

Ridgeway and Obama both demonstrate George Orwell’s comment, in “Politics and the English Language,” that "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and ... to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." And Mother Jones demonstrates that Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Posted by:JamesJune 7, 2008 2:26:36 PMRespond ^
Rex Clark: I presume you mean the John Pilger who wrote that "Barack Obama is a glossy Uncle Tom who would bomb Pakistan" and referred to this campaign as a “ritual danse macabre of flags, balloons and bull[deleted], designed to camouflage a venal system based on money power, human division and a culture of permanent war."
Posted by:JamesJune 7, 2008 2:36:40 PMRespond ^
Pilger? Noam Chomsky has claimed that the reason why journalists have invented the terms 'to pilger' and 'pilgerise' is because, when faced with the uncomfortable facts about the consequences of U.S foreign policy that Pilger presents, "ridicule [is] the only response they are capable of." Well I guess some writers here have neatly pilgerised Obama. But Pilger is supporter of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez so, while his style is refreshing his credibility is wanting.
Posted by:TedJune 7, 2008 2:52:38 PMRespond ^
The NYC watershed has been under constant threat. It has been a magnificent source of unfiltered water. However, delopment has now been the cause of a very expensive filtration plant for the Croton reservoir, east of the Hudson. And if present plans for development west of the Hudson becomes reality, another filtration plant will soon be required. This is, no doubt, the story of development throughout our history.

Has Mother Jones ever dealt with this
issue?
Posted by:Joe FishmanJune 7, 2008 2:59:06 PMRespond ^
John M., we agree on things but from very different perspectives. Spiritually speaking, that is what Jesus meant concerning a sword. It cuts clean and definitely separates one thing from the other, because you obviously refuse to take not of his more obvious statement "my kingdom is not of this world." So what threatens you so much, John? The fact He may be God in physical presence? Anyway back to topic. What bothers me is the blind hope voters have for Barack Obama, his connections with wealthy Muslim fundraisers, his connection to a church that put its blackness before its faith: "unashamedly black, unapologetically Christian". If there was a sort of framework for a false messiah, Mr. Obama seems to be paving the way. Of course, the problem is that what is good is often emulated by evil. So, he could be either. However, something doesn't rest right in my soul concerning Mr. Obama. Surely, this isn't considered sound or reasonable, but just the mere matter of induced labor abortions and his choice to vote absent instead of stand against this. How could a faithful Christian let a viable human being die without love or a chance? It isn't just this. His statements about why Pennsylvanians vote the way they do denied tradition, spirituality (the very thing he espouses) and he said this in front of potential wealthy donors in the mansion of a wealthy Muslim man. Hmmm. If the context said nothing of his intentions, the setting and location did. He's brilliant, and so is his wife. And there is something else, manipulation or perhaps just disillusion with the current system. It would be hard to play the system's game while yearning to change it. When you walk the fence, you usually end up falling on one side or the other...or splitting the difference painfully.
Mr. Obama may talk hope. Some of his ideas are not revolutionary. If you want revolution, look to Bob Barr, Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, Wesley Clark, and probably countless others who haven't been able to break into this Republican/Democrat corporate media circus.
Until Christ returns, we have to make the most of things, and things are just going to get worse worldwide before that happens. Worse...seemingly solved...then apocalyptic. *shrug* We shall see. I'm still considering what I need to do to make myself more marketable to Canada and other nations (as far as education and work experience).
Posted by:MarkJune 7, 2008 3:19:25 PMRespond ^
James: yup; that the man. i am sorry to hear you feel that way. he has always spoken quite highly of you.
Posted by:Rex ClarkJune 7, 2008 3:19:33 PMRespond ^
Why do you ovelay your articles with that stupid advertizing. Do you actually expect anyone read such a posting?
Posted by:Finbar McMullenJune 7, 2008 5:49:31 PMRespond ^
Why do you overlay your articles with that stupid advertizing. Do you actually expect anyone read such a posting?
Posted by:Finbar McMullenJune 7, 2008 5:49:57 PMRespond ^
This is a total crock. He started with the premise that Americans are bitter and confused and looking for someone to inspire them. NOT. Obama is one big nothing. Just like the writer.
Posted by:SusanJune 8, 2008 6:58:43 AMRespond ^
Genevieve writes like a Bush/Reagan think-tank adviser. What a load of right-wing bollocks! The American system has failed miserably (despite the propaganda by the ruling elite) because of its dependence on the US predatory Corporate Capitalism model (one which they have been trying to force on the rest of the world for decades)- 47 million working people without health care, third world stats for infant mortality and other stats which come in low for the developed world, one of the world's largest producers of weapons of mass destruction and death, one of the longest work-weeks and shortest vacation times in the western world, rising poverty, one of the highest crime and violence rates in the world, and etc, etc, etc. And her naive statement about whether "freedom of the press" would survive under Obama is laughable! If you paid any attention you'd know that Reporters Without Borders ranks the US at 52d in the world in freedom of the press - and a large part of that low ranking is because of the failure of the 4th estate to uphold the charge they have been given to protect the people from the lies and corruption of those who govern us (& run the corporate economy) because the press in the US is owned and controlled by the conservative corporations. (They're not going to tell the US public, for instance, about the pres. of Pepsi asking Nixon to get rid of Allende in Chile or United Fruit in Guatemala asking Eisenhower to get rid of their democratically elected president in CIA sponsored "revolts" & assassinations). No wonder the average US citizen is so brainwashed into believing in the Corporate Capitalist Fairy Tale of business saving us from all manner of evil (especially like foreign governments and leaders who don't want the US corporations to rape, plunder and pillage their resources and economies). If the people are told something long enough most of them will believe it after all, even if they are unhappy and have such pathetic lives of desperation trying to get that just one more TV or car that will buy them happiness and hating everyone else in the country who doesn't look just like them. Too bad the US has such power in the world, but then with scores of military bases all over the planet to promote and secure the neo-colonialism and the Wilsonian Idealism, and an obscene military budget (I won't dignify that with the word "defense") that has been the guiding light for every administration for many decades it is no wonder. And as a majority of people in the world who were polled recently were asked who/what was the greatest threat to world peace and progress the US of A won hands down. Maybe it's time, since the US wants to run the world, that people all over the planet should have the right to vote for president. I can guarantee you we wouldn't have had Bush I or II or a lot of the other corporate puppets we've been stuck with. I thank God every day my partner & I have moved to a much more progressive and tolerant country where every one has health care and our tax dollars truly do go to "defense" and infrastructure and human need, & not into making the world safe for Haliburton, Coca Cola, Boeing etc. Oh, and yes, we have a Socialist president and parliament where human and civil rights take center stage (and we even have the right to visit any country we want to without fear of imprisonment - you can't say the same in the US. Just try going to Cuba for a beach vacation!)
Posted by:FreethinkerJune 8, 2008 10:15:49 AMRespond ^
The US was settled by Puritan-Capitalist (neo-fuedalists) who believed that if you were rich it was because God loved you and if you were poor it proved the reverse. The US is still a puritanical country and the GOP, especially, still believes in this backward, feudalistic, and fundamentalistic notion. You see it in every debate and in every American jingoism. It's time to grow up and quit giving in to the corporate propaganda and fear which keeps us all in line and voting conservative (even Democrats would be conservatives in most EU countries and some others). McBush will give us four more unaffordable years that the US just may not be able to recover from, so Obama is the only credible choice. He does spark hope in a naive and unenlightened electorate, but his statement that he wants to increase the military is one of the most frightening I've heard in a long time. Who's going to pay for it? And why? If the US would quit meddling in every other countries business (look up Gladio, for example, and see what your country has been doing to undermine progressive governments in our ally Europe for decades) there wouldn't be so many "terrorists" created every day. But the other option - McBush - is even more scarey! McCain, like W, didn't even know the difference between a Sunni and a Shia Muslim - how can he possibly be president and leader of the the world's ruling country? Another rich, ignorant cowboy. Look at the horrible danger and mess created by the other ignoramus that precedes him.
Posted by:BelieverNoMoreJune 8, 2008 10:34:46 AMRespond ^
Yeah...Christ will save the day...when he comes back.
Posted by:CherylJune 8, 2008 3:07:39 PMRespond ^
Barack is JFK, MLK, RFK all rolled into one. Did you ever see the picture of them sitting at a table in the oval office? I want to find that picture.
Posted by:Radline 9June 8, 2008 3:14:11 PMRespond ^
Oh, before I go. Thanks to those of you who get it. Where do all these racists come from anyway? WTF!!!! Oh bored conservative white folk on their computer. I don't have time to read any more of these small minded, deluded hateful, fearmongering comments. We will all see what happens in the next 4 years, because OBAMA will be our next president. Praise the...who again???
Posted by:CherylJune 8, 2008 3:19:06 PMRespond ^
HORSE FEATHERS! Just another little rich boy, with a major guilt complex.
Posted by:SaregeJune 8, 2008 4:50:07 PMRespond ^
Oh, wow! For a Mother Jones article this one was TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE!

ALL you've done by publishing such a poorly researched piece of rabble rousing is suggest to the White supremecists who might not have actually had the idea yet themselves that they need to take care of the "Obama problem" the same way their predecessors took care of the RFK problem.

Posted by:OuijJune 9, 2008 7:07:49 AMRespond ^
Ouij..you may have your facts on who killed Robert Kennedy just a little skewed if you think the White Supremacist were involved. Sirhan Sirhan was an Arab who was very disturbed because Robert Kennedy was too pro-Israel, in his opinion, and Sirhan Sirhan hated Israel. The White Supremacists would probably have any black in their scope who ran for president, and no one would have to give them any ideas. Obama's life is probably most threaten by the ilk of the Reverend Wrights of the U.S. as he used the Black Liberation backing to get him to where he is and then threw them under that very crowded bus.
Posted by:Sharon AshJune 9, 2008 12:14:07 PMRespond ^
Your second paragraph is one of the finest examples of political writing I've ever read. And your whole article captures the spirit and essence of my feelings for both men.
Posted by:dsTrekkerJune 9, 2008 9:06:04 PMRespond ^
Darned right Obama is corrupt. Forty-nine of his immediate colleagues (and maybe more) have direct ties to G.W.Bush.
Posted by:John in TokyoJune 9, 2008 10:11:18 PMRespond ^
to cheril I think the word your looking for is ALLA.
Posted by:meJune 11, 2008 12:02:22 AMRespond ^
was obamma born in kenna or was he born in jakarta where his sister was?
Posted by:who knowsJune 11, 2008 12:13:17 AMRespond ^
you shouldn't use wikipedia for your journalistic sources. That's just silly.
Posted by:jcJune 11, 2008 4:37:25 PMRespond ^
Uh, no.

I KNEW Bobby Kennedy, and Obama is NO Bobby Kennedy.

Not by a long shot.
Posted by:MaryJune 11, 2008 5:23:18 PMRespond ^
"In God we Trust",a powerful phrase by which America stoodby and made her strong. Many will not agree but Barack "Hussein" Obama's troubled past and controversial associates will influence his policies/actions if he becomes the president. It will not be good for America-islamic influence & black liberal theology.
Posted by:abuJune 12, 2008 1:09:03 AMRespond ^
"In God we Trust",a powerful phrase by which America stoodby and made her strong. Many will not agree but Barack "Hussein" Obama's troubled past and controversial associates will influence his policies/actions if he becomes the president. It will not be good for America-islamic influence & black liberal theology.
Posted by:abuJune 12, 2008 1:10:10 AMRespond ^
Can't straighten out all the emotions here. But one post can be corrected. Craig Swieso said James Ridgeway is a lazy journalist because JR said Lyndon Johnson had a poor performance in the New Hampshire Primary. As support for his contention, Mr. Swieso said LBJ didn't lose the NH Primary. True, LBJ didn't lose the Primary. But he only had 7% more votes than McCarthy. As President of the United States running for his party's nomination for the next Presidential election, a 7% 'win' IS a poor showing.
Posted by:litesongJune 12, 2008 8:57:59 PMRespond ^
I see no similarities in Barak Obama and Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy had courage and we saw it, we felt it. His passion gave hope.

Barak Obama gives beautiful speeches, but the courage, the flicker of passion I do not feel or see. His speeches are carbon like, day after day. I see no soul. We are hungry for leadership in this Nation. So hungry. I think we forgot that Bobby, JFK, Martin Luther King, were one in their own. Who is Barak Obama? Who is he? He is not Bobby Kennedy, nor Martin Luther King, or John F Kennedy. Who is he as a man? I pray that everything that we project on him is true. My fear is he never let us see who he really is, and the disappointment that we will realize as a Country.
Posted by:PamJune 14, 2008 10:15:38 AMRespond ^
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/home/?s=0609-continue

http://www.votenader.org/index.html

Learn more about the Green and Libertarian Party candidates today. Do yourself a favor and break the two-headed beast of American politics!
Posted by:Mark - PennsylvaniaJune 14, 2008 5:25:27 PMRespond ^
USA under whiteparteheid?
Posted by:Dr.QJune 17, 2008 12:43:12 PMRespond ^
Cory: I've just finished reading Taylor Branch's "Parting the Waters" about the Civil Rights movement, and I was surprised to find out just how completely unmoved the Kennedys were by racial injustice. What you say seems to be exactly true - JFK & RFK would have chosen the status quo and done nothing if they could have gotten away with it. I believe RFK woke up to it at some point after his brother died, but JFK never had any sympathy to the movement at all.

My opinion of JFK went way down as I read this book. And I find it ironic that Obama is compared to JFK because their similarities are mostly in their shortcomings. They both offered style over substance, lack of experience & accomplishments, extreme ambition and skill at political maneuvering but no moral core, and connections with corrupt & unsavory figures.

Those in the Civil Rights movement who put their lives on the line over & over in the face of defeat & brutality were towering, awesome figures. The Kennedys were midgets in comparison.
Posted by:DeniseJune 17, 2008 11:01:32 PMRespond ^
what has obama done besides run for president?....whats the comparison? where? wierd
Posted by:rickJune 18, 2008 8:18:31 PMRespond ^
I don't think Bobby Kennedy would have caved in on FISA. Obama has blinked when he should have seized the opportunity to prove that he was really for change, not just convenient change.

The more things change; the more they stay the same.
Posted by:WainihaJune 24, 2008 11:41:49 AMRespond ^
Thank you Mr. Ridgeway. The RFL speech brought back memories of Bobby speaking at the University I was attending. I got within 6 feet of him. This was a red state university, as conservative as they get, but there was Bobby drawing us in. It was a turning point in my life, just being there.
Posted by:MugwampJune 25, 2008 5:17:59 PMRespond ^
an informal set of notes

if i'm not mistaken Sargent Shriver created Legal Services, through the war on poverty. this empowered low income Americans to take city governments and companies to court to protect their rights. placing the law on the side of working people.

i disagree with parts of your argument against the succeses of the sixties anti poverty programs.

i have to go to work ...
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