Prius Envy
When does it make sense to ditch your gas-guzzler for that shiny new hybrid?
thom davis had a seemingly simple goal: to buy a reliable car while shrinking his carbon footprint. A professor of geology and climatology at Bentley University outside Boston, Davis was looking to replace his beloved 1988 Saab sedan. He found a 1997 model on Craigslist, but it averaged 25 miles per gallon—better than the national average of 22 mpg, but not close to the 30 mpg that the typical new car gets. So he considered splurging on a brand-new, $24,000, 46-mpg Toyota Prius.
Being a science and numbers guy, Davis decided to calculate whether putting a new hybrid on the road really was the greener choice. You might guess the punch line. "My research overwhelmingly indicated that the used Saab would have an overall lower carbon footprint," he reports. Here's why: Davis assumed that he would own his next car for five years and drive it 48,000 miles. Clearly, the Prius won the mileage battle hands down. But once he figured in the energy used to manufacture the hybrid, he found that the '97 Saab required less energy overall—about 14 million BTU less, enough to power a fridge for nine years. And less energy, of course, means less carbon.
But wait—it's not as simple as used car good, new Prius bad. Davis' answer would have been different if, say, he planned to keep his next car for 10 years. Or if he planned to drive more. And so on. "It's all a matter of what assumptions you use," says Pablo Päster, the vice president of greenhouse gas management innovations for ClimateCheck, whose data Davis used in his calculations.
Another tricky question is who bears the CO2 burden of building the car in the first place. "Is the first owner of a new vehicle fully responsible for emissions for manufacturing that car? Or is the company that manufactured it responsible? Or should those emissions be divided out among each year of the car's life?" asks Päster. Davis assumed that he wasn't responsible for the newer used Saab's initial carbon debt since someone else had originally bought it. He gave himself credit for reusing the car—logic that holds up only if buying the used Saab would somehow take a new car off the assembly line. And who was responsible for Davis' old Saab, which would stay on the road unless it was recycled for scrap? (When he does his own calculations, Päster slyly avoids saying who should bear these burdens—leaving the decision of how to split the carbon bill up to you.)
So how are we nonengineers supposed to know when to junk our old car without guilt? By Päster's numbers, building an average midsize car in 2007 emitted 18,000 pounds of CO2—about the same as burning 900 gallons of gas. He won't commit to exact numbers, but he does have a rule of thumb: If your jalopy is moderately efficient (i.e., gets better than 25 mpg) and you don't drive it much, keeping it is better than buying a new car. "But if you have an old car with pretty lousy fuel economy," he says, "then you're better off getting a new car because the emissions from making a new car are really not that big compared to the emissions from using the car."
If you want to see if it makes more environmental sense to buy a used car instead of a new one, check out AskPablo.org for more info on Päster's carbon comparisons. The numerically inclined can crunch their own numbers: Download the Department of Energy's vehicle modeling software at ANL.gov.
And when you do the math, don't disregard the importance of another limited resource—money. Thom Davis can attest to that. After buying the used Saab, he got stuck with four brake jobs in his first 5,000 miles. The $18,000 he saved by not splurging on the Prius sure came in handy.
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FINALLY!! The question I have been asking for years. The new car's carbon debt should be assumed by the first owner- since demand drives production in a capitalist society. If we all drove our cars longer and fewer were made think how much CO2 we'd save! The additional energy cost of designing the cars was not mentioned although innovation is always good.
Why don't new cars come with a sticker stating the carbon debt of the vehicle's production?
The key really is to get
The key really is to get everything off the road that gets less than 10 or 15mpg. Once you get above 20mpg, everything else is really pie.
If you want a good car, get a good non-hybrid that's cheap. Most lightly used Cobalts go for less than $10,000. More than half as much as the prius and still gets 34mpg. Yes, it's 10mpg less but do the math. At 10000 per year, 217 gallons for the prius while 294 for the cobalt a different of about 77 gallons or a whopping $144. You'd have to drive the prius nearly 100 years to make up the difference.
If instead we worked hard on converting buses from just 5mpg to 6mpg, we'd save 334 gallons per 10k, 4 times as much as jumping 12mpg from the cobalt to prius. And constant running buses run a heck of a lot more mileage... so I'd wager that 1mpg would save probably up to 20 times as much. Getting that mpg up to 10 or more would be staggering.
Should you buy a hummer? No. But do you need to splurge 14k for that hybrid? No. Buy a cobalt or prius or other high-mpg non-hybrid. Buy used. Save money. Save the planet.
Thanks for listening!
Yeah, but 5mpg on a bus with
Yeah, but 5mpg on a bus with 4 riders already equals your magic number of 20mpg. It's 20mpg per passenger.
So really, we need to get people to ride the bus more than going from 5 to 6 mpg. Some bus lines get the busses packed, but others, like the one I ride, the most I've counted so far was 16 people including me. So at 5mpg that's 80mpge, and at 6mpg thats 96mpge.
Prius Envy
Try communing 40,000 miles a year in a Prius. How about towing your boat with a prius. I will stick with my full size pickup truck.
Prius Envy
I didn't realize that you are comment Nazis
Prius
I drive a 1999 Buick LeSabre and it gets 32 mpg on highway if using cruise control. About 20 mpg in town driving. It only has 78,000 miles on it and hate to trade up. Not sure why these car manufacturers cannot duplicate this. The car is mid sized and very comfortable on long trips.
Commuting
How about not commuting 40,000 miles a year? Even assuming you can average 65 mph on your commute, that's over 600 hours a year, or 13 per week (if you take a couple weeks vacation). You're increasing a standard work week by a third or more, and probably aren't even getting paid for that time, let alone overtime.
Same with the boat: if you can't tow it except with a monster pickup, maybe you just need a smaller boat.
Expensive
I was looking at getting a prius but i tought they were to expensive for what they are.
From the good doctor's
From the good doctor's position, his numbers make sense. But i think for others, the Prius is definitely the way to go for reducing carbon footprints.
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The reality is that we rarely need a car as large as a prius let alone the average US tank. There are plenty of small, cars available worldwide that use less fuel than a prius. Most of these will cost less and have a much smaller carbon footprint.
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