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It Has To Make Sense Before You Can Call It Sleazy
IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE BEFORE YOU CAN CALL IT SLEAZY....Joe Klein calls this John McCain's "sleaziest smear," but I'm just plain mystified. What is this supposed to mean:
My friends, this is the problem in Washington. People like Senator Obama have been too busy gaming the system and haven't ever done a thing to challenge the system. That isn't country first, that's Obama first.
Obama has been gaming the system? Huh? Is McCain just letting the Attack-otron 3000 put together random words for him and then delivering them without bothering to see if they make sense or not? He's been all over the map for the past week.
Kevin:
That's because in McCain's twisted logic, he does not think that Obama embodies change...he does...he's the maverick, he is the reformer...it is a sad state of affairs when you believe your own bullshit...which is what is happening to the McCain campaign.
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thechiphitsthefan
Friday, September 19, 2008
Sarah who?........
I would imagine that between Republican official Alaskan trials and investigations,
there might be an entertainment value as big as the great O.J. trial.
And by the way, I may not be a big fan of the current Iranian regime, but at least I know how to properly pronounce (in English) the name of their country. I'm not 100% sure, but I thing I might
have heard Governor Palin talk about "Eye-ran's" "nuculer" capabilities.
Regards,
c.
Posted by thechiphitsthefan at 2:12 PM 0 comments
Wednesday, September 17, 2008
I'm watching Senator McCain on television just now. It occurs to me that, when observing both the candidates body language during their normal "stumping" visage that Senator McCain's face seems constantly buried (visually) in the written rhetoric of his speech, literally. His face is down more often looking at written words than a few attempts, feeble I might add, to make heartfelt eye contact with his listeners. It is truly like observing a robot like reader who seems quite unattached.
His opponent on the other hand, not only speaks passionately but looks passionate as well when he speaks. No matter what your political point of view may be, basic gut instinct when observing and listening to these two speakers should truly take over. Without preaching to you about what I think the proper introspect in this case should be, I will take solace in my own gut instinct in believing that anyone would see what appears to be plain and simple.
Regards,
C.
Posted by thechiphitsthefan at 2:57 PM 0 comments
Good day everyone,
I've only just entered the bubble. But In introduction I would like to get response to the question: If Rove says the McCain campaign has went to far in smear politics, wouldn't this be a authoritative gauge for the height of Republican smear tactics? And if so why does this recent quote by the infamous Mr. Rove seem to be flying under the political radar for the most part.....
And by the way, I am truly "ailin" from Palin. I believe its time for the governor to write a new speech. You know, one without undersold jets, hockey, lipstick, dogs. and imaginary bridges and natural gas pipelines.
Posted by thechiphitsthefan at 2:57 PM 2 comments
Ah yes, "the system." An all-powerful entity capable of such things as affecting the number of olive slices on your Subway sandwich.
I'm pretty sure that Klein is responding to the "Obama first, not country first" thing. As a slogan, that is about as close as any candidate for President has ever come to just plainly saying "My opponent doesn't give a shit about America".
Mike
Obama's response is correct. The Palin/McCain campaign is panicking and throwing up a cloud of chaff. They have no clue.
Maybe it's not too late for Palin to dump the loser.
it is a sad state of affairs when you believe your own bullshit.
Yet another example of how McCain is a carbon-copy of Bush. (At least I think McCain is carbon-based)
If McCain ever made sense (big if), he stopped making sense when he chose Palin as his VP. He's been a train wreck ever since.
My guess is that couldn't find any slogans to steal from Obama today, so they had to resort to the Attack-otron 3000.
Does this mean we can't blame Canada anymore?
Everyone knows us black folk game the system by sucking up welfare and driving to the corner store in our Cadillacs for our beer and cigarettes.
There is no thinking black person on earth who wouldn't get the meaning of this in an instant, and I have absolutely zero doubt that the McCain campaign doesn't know what it's trying to do as well. Y'all have been using the term "dog whistle" throughout this election, often absurdly (primarily against Clinton), but this is the real deal. The term "gaming the system" is too jarring and out of place in this context for it not to have been intentionally inserted for effect.
Yeah, this seemed weird to me too until I read MG's post and then googled "blacks welfare 'gaming the system'".
Holy shit. That phrase is used pretty much exclusively to refer to blacks cheating the welfare system. Just wow.
Make sense? what has that got to do with getting Republicans elected? Did GWB ever make sense?
Kevin, lets face it. The Republicans have been running a contest of out-crazying each other for the last 20 years and it worked brilliantly up till 2006. John McCain is just the latest radical Republican to make it to the top of that pile, and backing down now would be seen as a sign of weakness.
From Wikipedia...
"Gaming the System means, simply, using the rules, policies and procedures of a system against itself for purposes outside what these rules were intended for..."
see Keating Five/John McCain
I'm not black, but I had no trouble understanding this particular attack. I think most people will get it.
Really, it's all they have.
Like I said in another post, saying Obama "games the system" is just this much removed from calling him a "street hustler". And we all know what the connotation is there! That's what McCain's attack is all about.
Why won't some respected Democrat or Republican call McCain on this (not so) subtle racism?
I think 'uppity' was just a test assigned to some Georgia Congressman to see if they could get away with that. This is their second choice.
@jonas at 6:27. Not to detract from the discussion, but you got those results because you asked google for them. Take "blacks" and "welfare" out of the google search and you might get a broader view of how the term is used on the tubes.
That said, McCain's comment is both non-sense and sleazy.
My Friends,
I think I'm going nucking futs.
Best,
JMcC
PS: Did I mention I was an heroic POW? I can't remember.
It's a brand new game that's sweeping the country--McCain's Mad Libs.
I actually have a bit of sympathy for McCain's position.
I think the "gaming the system" charge comes from Obama's close electoral strategy. Obama is likely to win in a number of scenarios in which he doesn't win the popular vote. This is equivalent to his primary strategy of targeting delegates more than voters. They are playing a highly-disciplined, and targeted game, which leaves McCain less likely to win no matter what he pulls between now and November 4.
Interesting. If anyone is gaming any system it is John McCain. He is gaming the press into spreading his lies. What he seems to forget is that other people can get wise to people gaming the system. Is he so divorced from reality that he doesn't realize the press is getting wise to his act? Or, as with W, are the people around him terrified of contradicting the reality he has created for himself?
The republicans have so many encoded racist terms in this election I've lost count. Why do they say Obama is "the most liberal candidate the party has ever run" - code for black.
They also constantly talk about how well he speaks; have you ever heard the term; smooth-talking used with the derragatory N word?
At the republican convention Fred Thomas made fun of how "historical" Obama's candidacy was, and no one picked up on it.
The man has written two novels on his life- in complete honesty- yet we can't trust him according to republicans; Why?
Also, they call him cosmopolitan and elitist: code for what racists call "upity".
They know Obama can't say anything, because then he will be "Playing the Race Card."
I personally think they should be called on it by the predominately white media- But they are all afraid to talk about race also. And until we talk about the racism that still exists, we will never get rid of it.The battle is far from over.
I think we can all safely conclude that John McCain has fallen, and he can't get up.
Joe Klein is referring to the McCain statement that Obama would rather win an election than lose a war. The common sleaze theme that Obama puts his ambition ahead of the country, its people, its soldiers, etc. It's about the lowest thing you can accuse a politician of. So, anything from McCain that talks about Obama putting himself "first" is in the same category of sleaze.
The McCain campaign is beginning to resemble a chicken after its head is cut off. Let's hope its the death twitch of the college Republican tactics they've never grown out of, where everything is a cross between a prank and a dirty trick.
Furthermore, these constant attacks on Obama's intelligence are also racist. He was PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW- THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW.
John McCain was second to last in his class at the Naval Academy. He cheated on his wife, to marry his current wife, who was once a drug addict that stole pills from her own charity. SHe also owns one of the largest liquor distributors in the US.
What would the media and America be saying John and his wife were black? They wouldn't even have a chance at the White House if they had the McCain background.
Racism, Racism, Racism..
"I think the "gaming the system" charge comes from Obama's close electoral strategy. Obama is likely to win in a number of scenarios in which he doesn't win the popular vote."
Um, yeah.
it's obama's fault for being so uppity. ... that's what's wrong with you people.
That video clip was precisely edited to _remove_ McCain's reasons for arriving at that conclusion, so of course we're left in the dark. Blame Time and CNN for that.
Really, the main point to be drawn here is that Kevin pretended to fail to observe such an obvious thing, and felt that his follower would cheerfully swallow it all.
I think McCain means when saying that Obama "gamed the system" that Obama has only used the Senate to launch his run for president and hasn't "challenged" the system (i.e. Senate) like McCain. I think McCain's obvious contempt for Obama stems from this core belief of his that it's his turn and that Obama is some sort of illegitimate interloper, a "celebrity" who hasn't paid his dues.
Not to worry. In the "Palin and McCain administration" everything is gonna be OK.
Jen @ 7:46,
I hear what you're saying. But the best way to clear that little weapon from the field is for the Republicans to throw it into the breach, and lose anyway.
a @ 9:08,
That video clip was precisely edited to _remove_ McCain's reasons for arriving at that conclusion ...
... and those reasons, so artfully concealed from the American public, were ... ?
It's all classic Karl Rove projectionist games.
So when it comes to gaming the system, isn't that what Bush, Cheney and the GOP are all about. I mean, those two, and their gang lords in congress were certainly nice to Halliburton, Blackwater, Big Oil and Big Pharm too while in office.
So I believe that sleazy tabloid writer Klein is trying to project all of on McCain instead of the Bush Administration and the entire GOP. At least that is what it looks like to me.
think we can all safely conclude that john mccain has fallen, and he can't get up.
we have a winnah!!! *ding ding ding ding ding!*
In full context, it isn't even remotely hard to figure out what McCain is trying to say, even if he is saying it somewhat inartfully. McCain is claiming that Obama's been raking in the dough from the leaders of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, in particular, and, in a quid pro quo, blocking any attempt to reform the system. McCain is lying by omission, of course, but he's not being obscure. Here's a little more context from McCain's speech:
Two years ago, I called for reform of this corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress did nothing. The Administration did nothing. Senator Obama did nothing, and actually profited from this system of abuse and scandal. While Fannie and Freddie were working to keep Congress away from their house of cards, Senator Obama was taking their money. He got more, in fact, than any other member of Congress, except for the Democratic chairmen of the committee that oversees them. And while Fannie Mae was betraying the public trust, somehow its former CEO had managed to gain my opponent's trust to the point that Senator Obama actually put him in charge of his vice presidential search.
This CEO, Mr. Johnson, walked off with tens of millions of dollars in salary and bonuses for services rendered to Fannie Mae, even after authorities discovered accounting improprieties that padded his compensation. Another CEO for Fannie Mae, Mr. Raines, has been advising Senator Obama on housing policy. This even after Fannie Mae was found to have committed quote "extensive financial fraud" under his leadership. Like Mr. Johnson, Mr. Raines walked away with tens of millions of dollars.
Senator Obama may be taking their advice and he may be taking their money, but in a McCain-Palin administration, there will be no seat for these people at the policy-making table. They won't even get past the front gate at the White House.
My friends, this is the problem with Washington. People like Senator Obama have been too busy gaming the system and haven't ever done a thing to actually challenge the system.
PaulB: http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc9/BlippityBleep/10fannie_graphic.jp...
McCain raised $169k, Obama raised $16k from Fannie/Freddie executives.
PaulB,
Aha. The context is helpful.
I have people skills !!!!
I am good at dealing with people !!!
Can't you understand that !!??!!
What the hell is wrong with you people !!??!!
John McCain
Sept 20, 2008
My guess is that McCain is simply uncontrollable, will simply not abide following whatever guidance or advice from his staff and proceeds, does and says whatever his instinct tells him.
It's not outside the realm of possibility that he could blow his top during one of the debates and walk off of the stage and go home to Arizona. With the reaction to that, he would stick it to his party by resigning his candidacy a few days later, along with his senate seat.
Reads an awful like "Words ending in -ppity for $500, Alex" to me.
Racial subtext aside, I think we can definitely say that McCain is running a sleazier campaign than GWB did in 2000 or 2004. I knew McCain would sell out to the base, but I didn't think he'd sell so hard or stoop that low.
The debates should be interesting.
He's just referring back to what he said earlier in the day, that people on Wall Street were gaming the system, and that the market collapse is Obama's fault cause he didn't do town hall meetings. Or something.
seriously though, the "gaming the system" line was from his speech about the economy... trying to tie Obama and Congress to Fannie/Freddie and the collapse of the market.
Every third syllable combined spells "terrorist Muslim".
That, or there's a dog whistle blowing morse code in the backround, or maybe the deaf translator is spelling out something else in "Happy Hands" code.
That, or the McCain is working from a script that Paddy Chayefsky was writing when he died.
No Kevin, it doesn't have to make sense to be sleaze - all it has to do is falsely evoke a negative stereotype. Most sleaze is not aimed at our logic processing faculties.
I just wish he'd stop calling me his friend. I'm not a friend of that lying, dishonorable old fraud.
I think the "gaming the system" charge comes from Obama's close electoral strategy. Obama is likely to win in a number of scenarios in which he doesn't win the popular vote.
Yes! Aided and abetted by those unprincipled, politicized Supreme Court justices his daddy nominated for him! Oh, wait a minute...
I'm pretty sure that Klein is responding to the "Obama first, not country first" thing.
Exactly.
When I heard McCain's quote about "gaming the system", I didn't take it as a racial thing at all. He was ranting, flailing - I think Kevin ws right seeing it something that came out of the Random Word Attack Machine. He's been caught in so many lies and this is a way to sound tough and "mavericky" without really saying anything specific. Or anything that even makes sense. He probably thinks it sounds cool.
He's calling Obama corrupt, trying to flip reality and make himself look like the brave reformer.
Desperate times call for desperate talking out of the side of your mouths.
Or something...
USA : GOP :: Tokyo : Godzilla
" Is McCain just letting the Attack-otron 3000 put together random words for him and then delivering them without bothering to see if they make sense or not? "
Basically, yes-- I mean, have you seen the non-sequiturs and word-jumbles that have been coming out of that camp recently?