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Yet More on the CDS Market
YET MORE ON THE CDS MARKET....I've been meaning to link to yet another Felix Salmon post about credit default swaps, since I know what a fascinating subject they are for everyone, but one thing led to another and I haven't done it yet. Basically, "one thing and another" means that I spent several hours yesterday trying to understand the whole CDS issue better, but I failed miserably. So instead of pretending otherwise, I'm just going to link. Salmon conducted an IM conversation with Robert Waldmann about the CDS market, and part of it went like this:
Felix Salmon: So, have I brought you around to the idea that CDS really aren't a major cause of the current crisis?
As you know, Kevin Drum calls me "disturbingly persuasive"Robert Waldmann: Ah well that is ambitious. You have convinced me that there is a perfectly legitimate reason which can explain why face value is so huge. As to the cause of the crisis, I remain confused. Stupid CDS tricks could have done it. So could stupid CDO tricks and what all.
Felix Salmon: I will concede that there were indeed stupid CDS tricks
Robert Waldmann: I mean the situtation is I don't understand the new financial instruments and it sure looks like the trader types didn't understand them as well as they thought.
Felix Salmon: But the stupidity was in understanding credit risk, not in understanding CDS.
Well....sure, but this seems like a bit of a dodge. After all, pretty much all financial bubbles are based on mispricing risk in some way or another. It seems like we need to dig a little deeper and try to figure out if there were specific aspects of the way modern financial markets are regulated that encouraged even more risk mispricing than usual.
The question, then, isn't whether credit default swaps are useful instruments. They are. The question is whether there's something about the way they're managed in real life that makes them potentially more dangerous than, say, stocks or pork belly futures. And if so, what can we do to limit "stupid CDS tricks"? Here's one possibility:
Robert Waldmann: OK a reform proposal. CDS must come with collateral even if you find a sucker willing to buy one without collateral (this is a regulatory restriction).
Felix Salmon: Yes yes yes.
That's why I'm so astonished Berkshire Hathaway is STILL writing CDS without collateral requirements.
But a move to an exchange would have the same effect.
If I understand this right, the benefit of requiring collateral is twofold. First, it keeps the CDS market from going too crazy, since CDS sellers can only sell protection if they have collateral to back their positions. Second, it reduces counterparty risk, since even if the CDS seller goes bust there's collateral that's been posted to make good on the swap. The big problem with AIG, for example, which has been the most spectacular example of a financial firm losing its shirt due to CDS exposure, is that they were writing CDS willy nilly without having to post collateral (thanks to their AAA rating). When their rating started going south, and they had to post collateral to make up for it, the company went down the toilet. If they'd had to post collateral in the first place, that wouldn't have happened.
So I guess that's a good start: make CDS exchange traded and insist on collateral posting requirements for all writers of CDS.
But what I still don't have a handle on is the scale of the losses in the CDS market. Clearly, AIG and the monoline insurers lost a ton of money. But Salmon suggests that the broader banking industry didn't. Partly this is because only a small segment of the financial industry were net sellers of CDS protection:
Felix Salmon: There's AIG, there's the monolines, and there's the synthetic CDOs bought by institutional investors.
Given the zero-sum nature of any derivatives market, that means that everybody else, on net, was a buyer of credit protection.
So far, this seems to be right: net losses in the broader financial industry on CDS trades seem to be pretty modest. So far. Unfortunately, though, that still leaves the CDOs, which we don't know much about yet, and it also leaves everyone else, who might be choosing not to settle CDS contracts yet that have big losses associated with them. I have a feeling we might need to wait a while longer to know for sure if the broader CDS market is as benign as Salmon thinks.
But it might be. Obviously it's cheating a bit to single out the particular areas where CDS sales caused big problems and then say, "well, aside from those areas everything was fine" after all, it's always the case in every industry that aside from the problems there are no problems but still, if it turned out that the big abuses came from noncollateralized CDS sales and synthetic CDOs, that would make me happy. After all, I'm already on record as thinking that CDOs are the devil's spawn. Anything that heaps more abuse in their direction is fine with me.
Bottom line: I'm still confused. For one thing, an awful lot of smart people seem to disagree with Salmon. I'd like to see some of them engage with his arguments. For another, the CDS market is so opaque that we still don't really know how much exposure is out there and who has it. At the very least, that seems unacceptable. And finally, even if there were only three segments of the financial market that were net sellers of CDS protection, just how much is it going to cost us to bail them out?
One way or another, the losses in the financial markets appear to be far wider than just subprime loans. After all, the size of subprime losses in the U.S. seems to be about half a trillion dollars, but in the past year banks have raised something like $300-400 billion in new private capital and another $200 billion so far in government capital. So that means their overall capitalization levels should be OK. But apparently that's not the case. So where are all the rest of the losses coming from? CDS? CDOs? Currency forwards? What? Does anybody actually know? And if not, what will it take to find out?
POSTSCRIPT: And one more thing. It's really annoying that the plural of CDS is CDS. "CDS market" is fine, and CDS when referring to an individual swap is fine, but why not CDSes when referring to multiple swaps? As in, "Sellers of CDSes should be required to post adequate collateral for each CDS they sell"? What does Wall Street have against plural acronyms?




























Read "The End" by Michael Lewis.
TomB
The cost of bailing out the companies which were net sellers of CDS should be _zero_. We're supposed to have a market economy, why can't these companies just take their lumps and go bankrupt like real men? The argument is that this presents a "systemic risk" but the question is, risk to whom? The failure of Lehman didn't hurt anyone but Wall Street. Letting AIG and the rest go under could hurt a lot of investment bankers but we have a perfectly good set of commercial banks, savings & loans, and credit unions capable of providing the day-to-day credit that Main Street requires. It's time for Wall Street to take their lumps and get it over with.
You can hear the winners chuckling. Screw up the world economy, ruin families and communities, and laugh over your winnings.
Kevin Drum >"...What does Wall Street have against plural acronyms?"
Wall Street doesn`t want anyone not of the priesthood of Wall Street to have any clue what they are up to. It is ALL about "insiderism". If "we" understood, we would end their games immediately.
Understand ?
"...it`s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine..." - REM
"the CDS market is so opaque that we still don't really know how much exposure is out there and who has it. At the very least, that seems unacceptable. And finally, even if there were only three segments of the financial market that were net sellers of CDS protection, just how much is it going to cost us to bail them out?"
We *do* now know how much exposure is out there, thanks to the DTCC. So our knowledge of the CDS market is pretty much the same as our knowledge of the stock market or the bond market: we know what's out there, but we don't know who owns what.
And how much is it going to cost to bail out the net sellers of protection? I'd say about $100 billion -- the cost of bailing AIG Financial Products out of its CDS exposure. Much but not all of which will eventually come back to the government in one form or another. The monolines aren't getting a bailout, and neither are the owners of synthetic CDOs.
CDSes are insurance by another name. Companies that sell insurance are required to maintain a sufficient level if reserve to make good on claims. Treat themlike insurance companies.
So call them CDSes. What do you care what Wall Street calls them?
I am not an economist, and scarcely even an investor, but this statment (by Salmon) strikes me as disingenuous:
But the stupidity was in understanding credit risk, not in understanding CDS.I can't see any analytic utility in this division; surely market structures that make it more difficult to judge (real) risk levels are something to avoid. If CDS have raised opacity, they are part of the problem. It is as if, mired in an uncertainty swamp, you were to say that it is not the mud that will be fatal, but the weight pressing down upon it. Or so it seems in my primitive understanding of these things.
Back in 1929 stocks were purchased with borrowed money just like today. A margin of 10% was all you needed to buy stocks. Derivatives were purchased with 5% or less money down by high rolling rich folks with some trepidation, so the hucksters sold them "insurance" against loss that was only good to line the bottom of bird cages. Unfortunately, a lot of "institutional" investors holding working peoples' retirement funds got clipped, too. Now you will be taxed to bail yourself out of this mess. Guess who gets to keep the bailout money.
how about Goldman helping CA float bonds, then pushing CA to purchase CDS to cover those bonds, and then when the state doesn't, telling its other investors to either stay away or short CA bonds.
There is one thing that bugs me about Salmon's post of 11/6/08 (well there is more than one thing but first things first). He says that the bondholders of some $100 billion of Lehman bonds recovered only about $5 billion from the writers of default protection on Lehman bonds. Is this true and accurate?
My understanding of the facts are as follows:
1. Lehman had issue some $135 billion in bonds and some $100 billion were covered by CDS, i.e., the holders of about $35 billion had not bought credit protection. The CDS cover bonds were sold at the 10/10/08 settlement auction for about $8.7 billion.
2. At the 10/21/08 cash settlement the credit protection sellers were required to put up about $6 billion. This amount did not include collateral previously posted by the protection writers against their positions as required by mark to market requirements.
3. So in the end Lehman bondholders cover by CDSes received $8.7 billion from the settlement auction + $6 billion from the cash settlement + the previously posted collateral (say $85.3 billion in T-Bills).
The only way Lehman bondholders who bought CDSes would have recover only $5 (or $6) billion would be if they bought CDS and then turned around and sold CDS contracts against their Lehman bonds; or if the collateral posted by the credit protection writers was not paid over to the credit protection buyers but simply returned to the protection writers; or if CDSes are just some elaborate fraud that I cannot figure out.
I am not sure how they settled the CDS contracts held by firms that did not hold Lehman bonds. That one I cannot get my head around.
The financial market began showing distress early in the year, with a complete blowout two months ago in mid September.
AIG coninues to have huge losses followed by more losses this week. But, I have been rather comforted by the fact that no new CDS blowout have appeared in the past month or so. So, the damage seems to be localized and contained. Two months ago, my fear was that CDS blowouts would be going off like firecrackers for a couple of quarters.
Also, the CDS are in essence the insurance for bad loans. So maybe, just maybe, the mortgage financial sector is stabilizing. If the Obama administration can implement a well conceived program to minimize foreclosures, we might dodge this bullet, or should I say torpedo?
A query abt CDS: as I understand it, they are unregulated, over-the-counter: ie, without reporting requirements as well as without capital requirements. That's why they so imperil our current state: nobody knows how much of it is out there, and who holds it. That's why no bank wants to lend to another bank.
Nevertheless: I see many reports in the press attaching pretty precise numbers to the size of the CDS total. The numbers I've seen have differed by a factor of 10 plus, ranging from approx 60 billion to over 600 billion. Yet *none* of these "reports" explains that the reported number is an estimate, rather than an ascertainable, verifiable hard number; and none explains the rationale for the estimate it is making.
Kevin, can you check me (us) on this? Do we, or do we not, know 1/ how much of this debt there is, and 2/ who's holding it? And 3/ If we do know, how do we know?
Mark to market valuations of securities eliminates uncertainty about what the risk is, which is why the schemers are against mark to market. When value and risk are known, suckers are more difficult to find.
It's like RBI, the plural is already in there so RBIs is a ridiculous redundancy.