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Quote of the Day - 3.17.09
From Sen. Judd Gregg (R–NH), on the possibility of using the budget reconciliation process to pass healthcare and cap-and-trade bills in the Senate:
"That would be the Chicago approach to governing: Strong-arm it through. You're talking about the exact opposite of bipartisan. You're talking about running over the minority, putting them in cement and throwing them in the Chicago River."
Hell yes. This is supposed to be a democracy. Why, allowing legislation to pass based on nothing more than a simple majority vote would be just this side of mob rule.
So what ?
Judd Gregg >"...You're talking about running over the minority, putting them in cement and throwing them in the Chicago River."
Uh, yea. So what ?
That is, after all, where they belong.
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goose & gander
How is gaming the system by using budget reconciliation rules any different from abusing filibusters to effectively require Senate legislation to pass with a 60 vote supermajority?
The former is simply the predictable result of the latter. Grow up Judd Gregg.
Consistent, at least
" . . . allowing legislation to pass based on nothing more than a simple majority vote would be just this side of mob rule."
Similarly, Gregg is resigning from the Senate rather than subject himself to "mob rule" next year.
This is standard fare from
This is standard fare from the Republicans. If you are in the minority, whine about lack of "bipartisanship." If you are in the majority, shut out the minority on the grounds that you have a mandate from the people. I only get pissed with the media for pretending to (or worse, actually) take this seriously. An honest media would just brush that aside in a sentence: "As expected, Republicans complain of being 'shut out.' And in other news..."
I agree--this is not
I agree--this is not news...it is old hat. Move on.
HYPOCRITE
The Republicans made ample use of the budget reconciliation rules when they controlled Congress - the Bush tax cuts were all passed via budget reconciliation (that' why they're temporary and expire after 10 years) - I don't remember hearing Gregg doing much complaining about it then. HYPOCRITE
yeah and Republican input
yeah and Republican input during this crisis has been so USEFUL, too. No wonder they're wounded at being shut out. heh.
I seem to remember a lot of
I seem to remember a lot of GOP senators jumping up and down babbling about a 'nuclear option' and 'up-and-down votes' not very long ago.
You're talking about running
...Must... resist... image of Colman giving Franken cement shoes while Franken says to a judge: sure, no, I understand, no, I guess next month is fine too.
Puh-Lease!
While it's an obvious truism that republicans care nothing for bipartisanship (except when they're in the minority), I think there's a kind of logic to their constant whining & wailing. Viz:
- Obama has a bill he wants to pass. Obama has asked for republican input (a courtesy repubs have never accorded their opponents).
- Republicans come back with a list of demands, plus some crazy shit (purposely thrown in) that no-one in their right mind would agree to.
- Obama agrees to a number of these items, but because he didn't agree to every last goddam thing, including the crazy shit, this is unacceptable to the republicans.
- Since the repub's definition of bipartisanship doesn't include compromise (on their part), Obama is being partisan by not completely capitulating to the minority party.
- Obama has consistantly touted a bipartisan philosophy, but given these events, clearly he's a partisan & therefore has been lying. What else has he been lying about? Can we even trust the guy?
- Various news orgs & bloviators pick up this meme & carry it further down the road, thereby creating public mistrust of Obama & any policy he might try to enact in the future. Rinse & repeat.
Thing is, I don't really begrudge the repubs their constant whining hypocrisy anymore than I would begrudge a fox for stealing a hen's eggs. It's what they do. It's their nature. Besides, I don't think it's a particularly winning tactic -- 24/7 whining & cries of victimization will wear pretty thin over the long run.
Majority rule!
Republicans argued for less regulation and now they say Obama isn't controlling AIG and the TARP funds sufficiently.
Republicans say they want Obama's policies to fail, but they want HIM to succeed.
Repub Gregg says majority rule is dangerous (paraphrasing). Will he call for a majority vote in the Senate for a Resolution stating that?
Republicans say lots of things.
I suppose what they oppose is the place holder values which Orszag has given for health care reform and Cap & Trade. If those bils pass (as they probably will) the Repubs definitely will want them pared back to near meaningless.
Republicans say "No no no no no no no."
Tyranny of the Majority
"You're talking about running over the minority, putting them in cement and throwing them in the Chicago River."
I'm waiting for Senator Gregg to come to the aid of Californian gays and lesbians whose rights were denied them by a majority of voters.
Or could it be that the Senator is only concerned with minority rights when his party is in the minority in the Senate?
Almost half the US voters
Almost half the US voters voted Republican. Yes, Kevin, stripping those
citizens' representatives of all political power in the Federal Government is undemocratic.
uh huh Where was this guy
uh huh
Where was this guy when the guy running things for his side said, “Bi-partisanship is another word for date rape?”