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Under Stress
Frederick Cannon, an analyst with KBW, says that if unemployment hits 12% Wells Fargo is likely show over $100 billion in losses and will need to raise another $25 billion in capital. Matt Yglesias comments:
This is why nothing you near from the financial sector about how all’s well should be taken too seriously. It’s true that given very bank-friendly monetary policy it’s easy for banks to run an operating profit. But most of these large banks are zombies — insolvent.
They’re only able to run an operating profit because they’re not going out of business and being liquidated. And the reason they’re not being liquidated is government guarantees. It’s as if I had a profitable business selling cookies, except I didn’t actually have any cookies to sell and was just putting government-provided cookies in boxes, then bragging about how profitable my company is and how the government should stop hassling me about paying myself a bonus.
Without actually signing on to the cookie metaphor here, there's a pretty good chance this is right. Without the combination of TARP and the extraordinary bundle of loan guarantees and liquidity tsunamis engineered by the Fed over the past couple of years, Wells Fargo might very well be out of business. It's impossible to say this for sure, of course, just as it's impossible to say if unemployment is going to hit 12%. But if it weren't for government intervention, it's a good bet that nearly every big bank in the United States would either be insolvent or so close as not to make any difference. And instead of losing a few points of GDP, we'd be in another Great Depression.
Megan McArdle thinks that, from a libertarian perspective, maybe this is what should have happened. Ben Bernanke may have saved the economy, but he only did it by intervening against the market, and worse, doing it in ways that the public and its elected representatives never would have supported if they'd had a say:
I think that the political process will hopelessly screw up the management of this crisis....But maybe The People, God bless them, deserve to screw up their economy if they want.
....On the other hand, do they have a right to screw things up for everyone else? Should a populist 60% be allowed to plunge their neighbors deeper into crisis? In the case of America, to plunge the whole world deeper into crisis?
The uncomfortable conclusion I'm coming to is that yes, they should. Ben Bernanke should be hamstrung even though it's likely that this would make everyone worse off. And people who advocate for ending the independence of the central bank should be willing to accept all that this entails: inflationary monetary policy (the people love inflation!), bad and unpredictible banking policy, the collapse of the US economy. I just wish I didn't have to go along for the ride.
Me too! This may be the best argument I've ever read for not being either a libertarian or a pure small-d democrat.






























Libertarian religionism?
Megan McArdle is one confused woman.
As one of the commenters to her post pointed out, she doesn't even seem to be able to rationalize how she arrived at her opinion.
Another piece of evididence how to some libertarianism has become a religion rather than a political philosophy?
60% of 5% (US pop) is 3% -
60% of 5% (US pop) is 3% - Megan thinks that 3% of the world's population has the right to tank the entire global economy? Nice!
Libertarian No More
Alan Greenspan basically renounced Libertarianism when he said that he was wrong when he thought that market forces would keep bank executives from doing crazy, irresponsible things. "I was wrong", he said.
Didn't Meghan get the memo?
Wow
So glad I stopped reading Megan. So, so glad. And if I ever start advocating for policies that I admit will make everyone worse off, please ban me from blogs forever.
Less than 60% already plunged us into this crisis
Should a populist 60% be allowed to plunge their neighbors deeper into crisis?
A lot fewer than 60% already plunged us into this crisis. You know, the financial ruling class.
Should they be allowed to do this?
All's Well that Ends Well?
May be I am mistaken; however, my impression from reading news regarding this industry was that Wells Fargo was in better shape than any of the other big banks.
Can anyone confirm this?
If true, and its, what shall we say, the least insolvent, that probably explains why they have not released the stress test results; probably still trying to figure out what to do without causing a series of bank runs on the monster banks. Originally, I had discounted this idea, but it begins to make sense.
Wells Fargo
Kevin,
My wife is a Wells retiree. Every day she pointedly informs me me that Wells Fargo DID NOT bet the farm on the mortgage sub-prime market like many of their competitors (e.g., WaMu, Citi, B of A). Different banks choose different strategies. When other banks were getting "rich" on questionable lending practices, Wells chose not to participate. Now Wells is sitting pretty.
One of the reasons I read your blog is your ability to make nuanced distinctions. You should take a more in-depth look at exactly why Wells is doing so well right now. All banks ARE NOT the same.
Wells was forced (tricked?) into buying Wachovia
And that may change the picture that daveb99 paints. But I don't know enough to comment beyond that. And it is possible that they hold classes of loans that would be fine as long as the economy stays better than X. Clearly if the economy gets bad enough, then many many more will be in trouble.
But, Kevin is right to highlight how the libertarian philosophy treats the people when it excuses all players in the economy from responsibility for the externalities of their actions. The tragedy of the common is that all (or most) of the people will be damaged by allowing greed to rule the actions of men.
Wells Fargo was neither
Wells Fargo was neither forced nor tricked into buying Wachovia. The government had a deal lined up with Citigroup to buy Wachovia, but WF swooped in at the last minute and offered a better deal. I'd say that if that purchase blows up, it's entirely on the Wells Fargo top management.
Save the banks, punish the bankers
Y'know, when the air traffic controllers went on strike Reagan brought in federal replacements and broke the strike. He kept the system and punished the striking workers.
So now, if we need these banks so much, why aren't we saving the banks and punishing the bankers (or executives or financiers or whomever is responsible)?
This galls me to no end.
The simple concepts of fairness and justice and karma are vital to keeping our society intact.
If we allow corruption at the highest levels (and rewarding bad deeds is corruption!) we deserve to live in a Libertarian 'utopia' such as Somalia where it is "every man for himself" and "I''ve got mine to hell with you."
Tripp
McArdle is not reality
McArdle is not reality based. She wrote "the people love inflation!"
In fact the people hate inflation. Moderate inflation was called the number one US problem in the 70s. Economists can't understand why the people hate inflation so much -- well actually it is obvious. The people mean "price increases" when they say "inflation" and imagine that with less inflation they would have the same nominal wages *and* keep their jobs.
I don't believe in direct democracy either, but if one talks about the consequences of populism, one ought to know what the people want.
I think what McArdle has in mind is that the people love loose monetary policy, because they don't believe it causes inflation, because inflation follows with a lag.
I know this blog is opposed to polling literacy, but claims about what the people love which are based on no information at all and ignore all available data (that would be the polls) have no place in a rational debate.
WF Chairman talks about his career bypassing '30's safeguards
The commonwealth Club of CA had this clown on back in November; he bragged at length about the his cleverness and the success of his long career bypassing the safety mechanisms built into the financial systems in the aftermath of the Great Depression. Last November. Nobody called him on it.
http:///audio.commonwealthclub.org/audio/podcast/cc_20081021_kovacevich.mp3