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Taxing Carbon - Part 2
Yesterday, after reviewing the problems with a carbon tax, I asked why anyone would support going down that road vs. supporting a cap-and-trade plan. Andrew Sullivan responds:
Because we actually believe that a carbon tax will bring green benefits without the kind of crude regulatory scheme that could stigmatize environmentalism for a long time? Because we think it will work better?
This deserves some unpacking. For starters, you need to think about the kind of regulation and oversight that's required to reduce carbon emissions. Take power plants, for example.
First you have to have technology in place to monitor carbon emissions from each plant, and then you have to have a regulatory bureaucracy in place to make sure the monitoring takes place properly. That's a big job. Once that's done and we know how much carbon is being emitted, plants have to either (a) pay a tax for each ton of carbon or (b) buy a permit for each ton of carbon.
The difference there is tiny. You can pay the tax or you can buy permits on an electronic carbon exchange. From the point of view of the plant, they each require about the same amount of work.
The carbon exchange itself, of course, does need to be set up and kept in operation by a government agency. That's extra work compared to a tax, and it has to be done right. Still, this is hardly untrod territory. There are hundreds of electronic commodity exchanges around the world and we know how to set one up. In fact, we've done it before for other cap-and-trade programs, and the operation of the exchange itself has never been that big a deal.
So far from being a "crude regulatory scheme," it's actually pretty elegant. Emitters can buy permits depending on their needs while companies that make big cuts and have excess permits can sell them. In terms of overhead at the corporate level it's hardly different from a tax at all.
As for a tax working better than cap-and-trade, why? Both approaches put a price on carbon. That either works or it doesn't. It's true that there are some theoretical technical advantages to a tax, but there are some technical advantages to cap-and-trade too. In the real world, they probably wash out.
Overall, the idea that cap-and-trade requires some kind of monstrous bureaucracy that a tax avoids simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Most of the bureaucracy is dedicated to monitoring and enforcement, and you have that no matter what. And cap-and-trade has the advantage of setting a cap and deriving the permit price from that, rather than letting Congress set a tax rate that will (supposedly) produce a suitable cap. The former is relatively transparent, since the cap level is right in the legislation and the public knows precisely what it is. The latter isn't, since the public has to decide which expert is right about the tax level needed to reduce emissions to the desired level. The scope for fiddling and lying and delaying on this score is obviously immense.
As for vulnerability to loopholes and special interest breaks — well, both plans are about even on that score. It's simply naive to think that either one will be more immune than the other. Horsetrading is what politicians do, fine print is what lobbyists specialize in, and eternal vigilance is the only way to keep them under control.
In the real world, cap-and-trade requires Congress to set a transparent cap. It uses a mechanism that's straightforward and proven. It puts us in sync with Europe, which is already committed to cap-and-trade and has no interest in the tax approach. And it's politically feasible. Simply put, that's why it's the better approach for anyone who's serious about real-world results.
POSTSCRIPT: Mike O'Hare has a longer and more technical defense of a carbon tax here. For now, let me just say that I disagree profoundly with his political analysis. He's right that cap-and-trade is no cheaper than a tax (and it would be dishonest to imply otherwise), but I think he's wrong to believe that setting the proper tax level is easier and more efficient than setting the cap level directly. From the point of view of both politics and public support, I think it's exactly the opposite.
More later on this, perhaps.





























CEMs anyone?
> ake power plants, for example. First you have to have technology
> in place to monitor carbon emissions from each plant,
The instrumentation has been in-place and operating at every coal-fired plant of any size in the US since the early 1980s, and was upgraded to continuous on-line measurement in the early 1990s.
Cranky
How do we know you're the
How do we know you're the real Cranky Observer? You're unverified and I think you're running some sort of identity scam on the Cranky Observer. Admit it.
And that goes triple for you down there Richard Cownie.
There is another
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There is another consideration for a cap and trade proposal. Cap and trade may have attractive cyclical effects since the cost of permits should be negatively correlated with economic activity, so during periods of economic contraction the costs of cap and trade will be lower than for a carbon tax.
surely you tax at the source ?
Surely it's simpler, and equally effective, to tax the carbon-bearing fuels at
their source, i.e. find the coal mines and tax their sales, find the oil refineries
and tax various grades of fuel output based on carbon content.
After all, anyone who buys coal is going to burn it eventually, and all the
carbon is going to end up as CO2 (bad), CO (worse), or particulate emissions
(bad for health if not for climate).
(1) Monitoring carbon
(1) Monitoring carbon emissions from a power plant is the easiest thing to do: just look at their coal or other fuel purchases. Monitoring N2O from a farm, or methane from a rice field or a cow herd is harder.
(2) It's perfectly simple to set a cap (what you wrote). What's much harder than setting the proper tax is setting the _proper_ cap, as you have to know the whole marginal cost curve of GHG reduction as well as the benefits.
Mike O'Hare
Brilliant posts - it really
Brilliant posts - it really bears worth repeating that to combat a physical problem (climate change) the thing one must focus like a laser on is the physical cause (CO2). If it were true that a tax would be much better than actually capping CO2 emissions, then it'd be a different story - but a tax will not necessarily do that and it will be open to more political manipulation as its connection to the underlying physical mechanism will always be more opaque.
Carbon Tax
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No, no, ... no!
You don't tax carbon when it's used, you tax it when it's produced. YFirst, you tax only fossil carbon and then you do it as it comes out of the ground. So much per ton of coal, barrel of oil or cubic foot of natural gas. From there on, the added cost is handed down to the users of said fossil fuel by the market.
The tax does not apply to non fossil fuels because carbon for that fuel comes out of the air and is not an ADDITION to atmospheric carbon.
A flat carbon tax of fossil fuels is very simple and easy to administrate involves relativly few producers and is not easily subject to manipulation. Yes, it doesn't provide a distinct cap to new carbon emissions, but it's a throttle; a throttle that will need some experimentation to get the right setting but in the end will be an effective tool to rein in NEW carbon emissions.
Ford
Tax better, but!
In many technical ways a tax is better. Most obviously is a known future cost, which is really beneficial for business planning. With a cap&trade system, you have a high degree of uncertainty about future costs. Also, if we make better than expected technological progress on no/low carbon solutions, previously negotiated caps will be too high -and you will have a huge fight getting them re-negotiated.
But, I thought the environmental community had agreed not to make best/better the enemy of the good. Thats why it was agreed to go for cap&trade, which is presumed to be more politically saleable.
With other commenters, a
With other commenters, a carbon tax is simpler to administer if you tax upstream, i.e. tax the initial sale of fossil fuels.
If you don't want blanket discouragement of fossil fuels, but discouragement of atmospheric carbon emissions -- if you want to encourage the development of carbon sequestration technologies for traditional fossil fuels, for example -- then offer credits for carbon sequestered from fossil fuel use (no larger than the size of the tax). This way, no central authority would have to goad carbon users into measuring emissions. By default, users of fossil fuels are presumed emitters and pay the tax that was charged upstream. But fossil fuel users who are not emitters can make an affirmative case and avoid the tax. Incentives to avoid emissions are left intact.
Questions
Kevin, you seem to have taken a lot of interest in this subject. Some areas I would like to see discussed and possibly answered include:
1. Why won't producers of CO2 just move production to a country that does not have any limits on carbon gas emissions? Won't this have a negative effect on our economy while not have any effect on global emissions.
2. Would not a cap and trade have an entrenching bias toward existing polluters? How would a cap and trade permit be accounted for both at the tax and financial accounting level.
3. Concurrently, wouldn't a cap and trade make it very expensive for start-ups, particularly many years down the road when the emission levels have been greatly reduced.
4. Isn't a cap and trade somewhat unfair to companies that already have taken steps to reduce their carbon emissions?
5. Should the point of charging be at the wellhead (upstream) or at the ultimate producer of the carbon emissions? If upstream, how do you encourage conservation and emission reduction?
6. Who should the cap and trade and/or the carbon tax apply to. Big industrial users, homeowners, retailers, vehicle drivers, etc.
Any discussion of these areas would be greatly appreciated or reference to another site where these areas have been covered.
Tax
I agree that the best/ better shouldn’t make an enemy of the good, but I don’t think that means there can't be disagreement about the best policy. And I disagree strongly that we should settle on cap and trade bc it's more politically expedient. The truth is that c&t is taking on water in a hurry and a carbon tax--if framed correctly--is something that members on both sides of the aisle could support.
monitoring CO2 emissions from power plants
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RE: "Take power plants, for example. First you have to have technology in place to monitor carbon emissions from each plant,"
As Cranky noted earlier, CO2 emissions from power plants have been measured and reported since the early 1990s.
Continuous Emissions Monitors (CEMs) record SO2, NOx and CO2 from all power plants regulated under Title IV of the Clean Air Act (Acid Rain Program)
Emissions data is available here http://camddataandmaps.epa.gov/gdm/index.cfm?fuseaction=emissions.wizard
See also http://www.epa.gov/captrade
More on CO2 monitoring
See more specifically here:
http://www.epa.gov/captrade/maps/co2.html
Reply to Brad W
Hi Brad,
Here are some responses as best as I can figure them to your questions.
1. Producers have little ability to move around from jurisdiction to jurisdiction as they have an overwhelming incentive to establish facilities at or near the extraction point. The coal producers of West Virginia can't move to China or even Mexico, because the coal is in WV, and the electicity plants that burn the coal obviously can't move either. What could happen on the margin is that heavy industries that consume great amounts of energy might move to more lax jurisdictions, but given the trend towards outsourcing manufacturing to Asia, this wouldn't represent much of a hit to the US.
2-4. Cap-and-trade punishes heavy polluters and rewards those that have been more responsible in this regard. A carbon tax would hit everyone; the heaviest polluters would pay the most, and the best-in-class performers would pay the least. But everyone would pay, and be absolutely worse off, while the best-in-class performers would gain a relative advantage. Conversely, a cap-and-trade plan would allow best-in-class performers to make money by trading permits they don't need to polluters for money. It results in much more progressive revenue collection then the tax. A cap-and-trade plan intended to tax CO2 output to the same extent as a carbon tax would produce a higher marginal cost of CO2 than the equivalent revenue-generating tax, and would thus be a stronger driver on emissions reductions than the tax. Permits are granted every year, so start-ups wouldn't need to rely on the secondary market to get their allotment. Further to that, start-ups are not encumbered by an embedded base that they need to continue to derive value from, and are thus in a better position to start their business in an environmentally sound manner that would mitigate the need for permits.
5-6. Cap-and-trade would apply to any big emitter. The extraction companies emit a lot of CO2 in their extraction and initial refining processes, while the large users of energy emit even more CO2 when they consume the extracted fuel. Cap-and-trade in the EU encompasses medium and large users and producers of energy; even Oxford Uiversity is covered as it has a power plant in excess of 5 MW (I believe that was the threshold for coverage for Phase 1 but I'm not exactly sure). The costs of cap-and-trade would then be passed down from these medium to large producers and users to their customers just as a tax would be, thereby encouraging reductions in consumption.
A straight tax on fossil fuels would provide no differentiation between the business practices that bring a fuel to market. Fossil fuel extactors that are worst-in-class as far as emissions production/unit of fuel extracted would have their fuel taxed at the same price as the best-in-class operator producing the same grade of fuel. There would be no pressure brought to bear on these companies to clean up their own practices as their output would be valued and taxed identically to that of the most responsible producers. How would the tax have to be structured to influence the practices of extractors, not just consumers?
Reply to Brad W
Hi Brad,
Here are some responses as best as I can figure them to your questions.
1. Producers have little ability to move around from jurisdiction to jurisdiction as they have an overwhelming incentive to establish facilities at or near the extraction point. The coal producers of West Virginia can't move to China or even Mexico, because the coal is in WV, and the electicity plants that burn the coal obviously can't move either. What could happen on the margin is that heavy industries that consume great amounts of energy might move to more lax jurisdictions, but given the trend towards outsourcing manufacturing to Asia, this wouldn't represent much of a hit to the US.
2-4. Cap-and-trade punishes heavy polluters and rewards those that have been more responsible in this regard. A carbon tax would hit everyone; the heaviest polluters would pay the most, and the best-in-class performers would pay the least. But everyone would pay, and be absolutely worse off, while the best-in-class performers would gain a relative advantage. Conversely, a cap-and-trade plan would allow best-in-class performers to make money by trading permits they don't need to polluters for money. It results in much more progressive revenue collection then the tax. A cap-and-trade plan intended to tax CO2 output to the same extent as a carbon tax would produce a higher marginal cost of CO2 than the equivalent revenue-generating tax, and would thus be a stronger driver on emissions reductions than the tax. Permits are granted every year, so start-ups wouldn't need to rely on the secondary market to get their allotment. Further to that, start-ups are not encumbered by an embedded base that they need to continue to derive value from, and are thus in a better position to start their business in an environmentally sound manner that would mitigate the need for permits.
5-6. Cap-and-trade would apply to any big emitter. The extraction companies emit a lot of CO2 in their extraction and initial refining processes, while the large users of energy emit even more CO2 when they consume the extracted fuel. Cap-and-trade in the EU encompasses medium and large users and producers of energy; even Oxford Uiversity is covered as it has a power plant in excess of 5 MW (I believe that was the threshold for coverage for Phase 1 but I'm not exactly sure). The costs of cap-and-trade would then be passed down from these medium to large producers and users to their customers just as a tax would be, thereby encouraging reductions in consumption.
A straight tax on fossil fuels would provide no differentiation between the business practices that bring a fuel to market. Fossil fuel extactors that are worst-in-class as far as emissions production/unit of fuel extracted would have their fuel taxed at the same price as the best-in-class operator producing the same grade of fuel. There would be no pressure brought to bear on these companies to clean up their own practices as their output would be valued and taxed identically to that of the most responsible producers. How would the tax have to be structured to influence the practices of extractors, not just consumers?
To start, I agree that any
To start, I agree that any decent cap-and-trade or carbon-tax policy is preferable to nothing. But there are some advantages of a carbon tax over cap-and-trade that I haven't seen discussed yet.
1. Global climate change is an EXTREMELY long-term issue. 5-10 years is very short-term, medium term is measured in decades, and the long term policy horizon is as much as a century or more.
2. The most important economic and environmental difference between a carbon tax and cap and trade is whether you want stability and predictability in the carbon price or in the current rate of emissions. Yes, for a given level of GDP and with accurate estimates of the elasticity of carbon emissions to GDP and to carbon prices one can design a cap and trade policy with nearly the same effects as a carbon tax (or vice-versa). But we're talking about a policy that will be in place for multiple years.
3. Because GCC is such a long-term phenomenon, the most important thing to do in the short to medium term is to develop (and reduce the costs of) less carbon-intensive energy technologies. The next most important thing to do is to make our long-lived capital investments (e.g. power plants, buildings) as low in carbon-intensity as technically and economically feasible.
4. As an earlier commenter has already noted, the private sector generally does more to develop and install new technologies when the private economic benefits are stable and predictable -- i.e. under a carbon tax. (For comparison, think about the negative effects that large swings in gasoline prices have had on development and sale of high MPG vehicles in the U.S.)
5. Again because GCC is a long-term problem, short-term variations in the level of carbon emissions (within the range of plausible scenarios) are not nearly as important as getting the long-run trend headed in the right direction. So cap-and trade's advantage of certainty about the level of emissions in any given year is not so significant.
6. Some comments here and at the related post yesterday have suggested the cyclical variation of a carbon price under cap-and-trade is beneficial as an automatic macroeconomic stabilizer. But there are many other automatic stabilizers available. The social opportunity costs of developing and installing low-carbon technologies are lower when the economy is in a recession. So if anything, a countercyclical price on carbon would be more desirable
7. Yes, either policy will be gamed in the political process -- exemptions, grandfathered allocations, credits and reduced rates, etc. But the equity and social cost implications could be quite different. When an emission permit is granted rather than auctioned, that's a windfall to the business receiving the permit. They won't use the permit to keep their prices down for consumers because they can always sell it. If they don't sell it, their price must be high enough so that they make at least as much by producing more as they would have earned by selling the permit. On the other hand, if some industry succeeds in getting special treatment under a carbon tax (e.g. a lower rate) they can't sell that. Therefore the tax reduction reduces the firm's opportunity cost of production in a way that a permit grant doesn't. Depending on how competitive the industry is, some of the tax reduction passes through to lower consumer prices. (Permit auction or carbon tax revenues can both go towards reducing other taxes (e.g. payroll), funding research on carbon-reducing technologies, or any other purpose our political representatives select.)
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