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Quote of the Day
From Sarah Palin, responding to a question from Fox News' Sean Hannity:
Hannity: Tim Geithner got laughed at in China last week. Is this even more than you thought was going to be in terms of where the president would take the economy?
Palin: What's more than I thought would be is, we're hearing a lot of good rhetoric. A lot of this is wrapped in good rhetoric, but we're not seeing those actions, and this many months into the new administration, quite disappointed, quite frustrated with not seeing those actions to rein in spending, slow down the growth of government. Instead,
China'sSean it's the complete opposite. It's expanding at such a large degree that if Americans aren't paying attention, unfortunately, our country could evolve into something that we do not even recognize, certainly that is so far from what the founders of our country had in mind for us.
Damn, I love Sarah Palin. This doesn't even begin to make any sense. I very sincerely hope that she stays on the public stage as a face of the Republican Party for a very, very long time.
UPDATE: My bad. I transcribed this wrong — and without the China reference it does make sense. A little garbled, but still comprehensible. My apologies.
oil
kevin, can u do one on the speculators running up the price of oil....again? cuz it's happening again and it's nothing but rich people taking money from regular people.
don't poke fun
She knows whereof she speaks. Why just the other night she had a delivery of General Tsao's Chicken & Mongolian Beef. Oh, and an order of those wonton thingies, too. Proof, since you seem to require it, that the Chinese really are expanding.
Not her fault
Sean Hannity flustered her with questions that no fair and balanced reporter would have asked, which is why she sounded so baffled.
I am at a loss
to understand that.
I, however, made quite good
I, however, made quite good sense of everything she said. Let's unpack:
Government is big
China is scary because they're following market principles and slimming down their government
Let's be more like China
Join us again tomorrow when we figure out what the fuck Ron Paul just said.
Watch the video. Her
Watch the video. Her statement made perfect sense and was quite unextraordinary.
What a waste of a posting.
Pillar weaving?
May I venture a guess? Her statement can be made 'perfect sense' of in the very same way one could make sense of unscripted statements by George W. Bush, i.e. by recognizing the pillars of the rhetorical edifice (like 'this many months', 'disappointed', 'not rein in spending', 'China complete opposite', 'expanding', 'our country', 'far from what the founders of our country had in mind), and weaving them together into the most likely prototypical Republican position vis-a-vis the issue at hand?
How is somebody with that level of rhetorical skill ever going to convey a non-prototypical thought to his/her audience? By reading a teleprompter? Maybe Sarah's fans should then, in her best interest, desist from badmouthing that neat device, she will need it!
I think if you replace
I think if you replace "China's" in the transcript with "Sean, it's" you get a coherent statement...I haven't watched the video but I'd be willing to bet there's just a transcription error somewhere.
You are exactly right
That's what she said, Sean, not China.
It's been my impression that at least some of Palin's apparent incoherence since she appeared on the scene has been a result of extremely bad transcription. By no means all, but these TV transcripts are unreliable.
a vague answer to a vague
a vague answer to a vague question
Idle Talk?
You mean not worthwhile bothering either way?
Two peas in a pod
Hannity's question is almost as bad - incoherent, meaningless, pointless excuse to let her spout anti-government sound bites.
Much as it pains me to speak
Much as it pains me to speak in defense of Gov. Palin, I suspect that JanglerNPL could be right. Read it again, as suggested, substituting "Sean, it's." and while it's still an amalgam of talking points, it does cease to be complete nonsense.
Sorry - I listened to the
Sorry - I listened to the clip (painful though it was), to about the 5:35 mark, and the quote is absolutely correct. She really did say exactly what the transcript says she did, and it doesn't make any more sense in context than it does alone.
Marc, your valor and
Marc, your valor and selflessness are truly admirable.
beauty queens
There is something about being a beauty queen that brings this out in a person:
“I personally believe, that U.S. Americans,
are unable to do so,
because uh,
some, people out there, in our nation don’t have maps.
and uh…
I believe that our education like such as in South Africa,
and the Iraq,
everywhere like such as…
and, I believe they should uh,
our education over here,
in the U.S. should help the U.S.
or should help South Africa,
and should help the Iraq and Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future,
for us.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Could have come right of of Palin's mouth..........
Sorry, but I listened to
Sorry, but I listened to 5:35 and she said "Sean it's." The transcript is wrong, even though Palin's wronger about everything. Dumbest pol in the national scene since Bush Jr. Needless to say I'm pessimistic about our future.
You're right...
...I put in "Sean, it's " randomly, and it made A LOT more sense:
"Sean, it's a lot of this is wrapped in good rhetoric, but we're not seeing those Sean it's actions, and this many months into the new Sean it's administration, quite disappointed, quite frustrated Sean it's with not seeing those actions to rein Sean it's in spending, slow down the growth Sean it's of government."
Pithy!
I'm Loving It
Palin, Gingrich, Limbaugh, and Steele.
The Gangrenous Old Party.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What's Real
Actually . . .
It sounds an awful lot like second term Reagan.
like Reagan?
Are you saying she's having an affair with Iran? LOL
This is not the best way to
This is not the best way to confront Palin and what she stands for. Transcripts of unscripted conversations often sound incoherent -- but listening to the audio is usually less objectionable. Most people don't form complete sentences in casual discussions, or stop in the middle of a sentence and start another, etc.
The Republicans made a lot of use of such cheap shots by repeating the transcript of this famous Obama extemporaneous excerpt:
Obama had the good sense to realize he wasn't making sense and attribute it to lack of sleep. But you can find similarly incoherent speech in many places (Biden comes to mind).
There is a lot to object to when it comes to Palin, but printing incoherent transcripts of some of her conversations is not the best way to go about it. And it's true that if you watch the Hannity video, she comes through as quite articulate overall.
I'm not a Palin fan either, but...
she definitely said "Sean it's", not "China's".
Seems so to me as well.
Seems so to me as well.
I enjoy Palin bashing as
I enjoy Palin bashing as much as the next fellow, but I just listened and yes, the transcript is wrong. She does say, "Sean it's" there. It's at 6:08 in the video if you want to listen for yourself.
In the question leading up to that, Hannity did mention China, which perhaps prompted the transcription error.
The fact that the
The fact that the transcriber made the error is just more evidence that Palin wasn't making sense. When you're transcribing off a tape, a lot of words are unclear, so often you've got to go with the context--to put down what would make sense given the rest of what they're saying, what word would fit at that point in the sentence, and so forth.
Palin doesn't give any context, and she doesn't speak in sentences. It's usually a series of free-floating, unrelated phrases. So "China" might seem to the transcriber to make as much sense as anything else.
Bring it on.
If we have to endure more of this idiocy, I hope we'll at least get plenty of reactions from Hon. Sen. McCain on what he thinks of his protégé's latest tidbits. I look forward to his gnashing teeth as he's confronted with the fruits of his choices.
The Senile Leading the Retarded
And by "retarded," I mean no disrespect to the learning disabled or mentally handicapped.
teleprompter
Too bad Palin doesn't have Obama's teleprompter and his army of speech writers. Then, she could be a great orator too....
She said "sean it's"
but that doesn't change the fact that her "answer" doesn't begin to make a lick of sense. "Damn, I love Sarah Palin. This doesn't even begin to make any sense. I very sincerely hope that she stays on the public stage as a face of the Republican Party for a very, very long time" is an exceedingly appropriate response to that "interview" and the particular highlighted "question" and "response" regardless of any transcription errors.
teleprompter
This teleprompter shtick is getting kind of silly. Obama uses a teleprompter in prepared speeches in the same way that public speakers since time began have used note cards, large-font tprinted copies, etc. The technology has improved to a point where it is easy to use the teleprompter in place of written notes. All Obama is doing is taking advantage of technology. No different than using a Blackberry instead of an address book/appointment book.
When he takes part in interviews like the NYT piece from a few weeks ago or a press conference, his answers are (as much as is possible for a politician) unscripted and extemporaneous. In his 100th day press conference, no one who is not a completely closed-minded partisan could listen to, say, Obama's response to Deb Price's question about GM and Chrysler and claim that he is unable to articulate his positions clearly without a teleprompter. You may disagree with what he's saying, but you don't have a problem figuring out what he's talking about.
Sure, he says "ah" and "um" a lot...so did a number of my college profs. That didn't indicate that they were stupid, just that they were actually thinking about what they were saying rather than just repeating rehearsed lines.
unscripted Obama
Didn't Obama declare he's been to 57 states at some point? And made fun of Special Olympics at another?
Anyway, the larger point is that I don't find Obama any more articulate than Palin, he is just working a different crowd than she is. Obama talks to lefty people who are proud of their "education", so his speeches are written to appeal to that audience. Palin is targeting righty people who are proud of their "real American, non-intellectual" status, so her words (and Bush's too) are purposefully simplified. It's just a game.
It sounds to me like she
It sounds to me like she said "Sean," not "China." But the nonsensical part of the interview is that it opens with Hannity praising her socialistic redistribution of Alaska's oil revenues, and ends bashing the Obama administration for temporary government involvement in GM. She also cites her college exposure (and we all know how extensive that was) to economics as somehow informative to current economic conditions. Most of the economics experts I've heard over the past months call for greater stimulus spending, even greater than that which was passed. That's the nonsense of this interview.
Transcribing nonsense
"Palin doesn't give any context, and she doesn't speak in sentences. It's usually a series of free-floating, unrelated phrases. So "China" might seem to the transcriber to make as much sense as anything else."
Well, not to a transcriber who's been paying attention. There's more than enough context in that quote to make a transcriber with a few brain cells go "Huh?" if they think they heard "China," and then go back and take another listen.
Usually, people don't speak complete nonsense (no, not even Palin). A responsible transcriber doesn't put nonsense in their transcript unless they're darn sure it really *was* nonsense.
Unfortunately, not all transcribers are that responsible.
And not all transcribers
would even recognize nonsense if they fell in it, so "China" in this context wouldn't set off any red flags. That is, if it sounded like she had said "China" to begin with, which it didn't.
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I think there should be a
I think there should be a corollary to Godwin's law regarding the "founding fathers" of this country. When a statement as vague as this is made:
Then the discussion should be considered over immediately.