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Getting in one last lick before the great Fox War becomes yesterday's news, Mickey Kaus follows up today on his earlier blog post about Fox News' lack of independence:
I argued that I have no faith that Roger Ailes didn't take direction from the Bush White House. The most sophisticated response I've gotten is, in effect, 'Sure he did. But you don't think Rick Kaplan at CNN took direction from the Clinton White House?' I don't know about Kaplan. But Kaplan only ran CNN for three years or so — just passing through. Roger Ailes pretty much is Fox News. The network has never existed without him.
Seriously? This was the most sophisticated rebuttal he got? That's pathetic. Conservatives really need to step up their game.
It's possible that CNN's
It's possible that CNN's arms could be twisted by Presidents, Republican or Democratic. That's a far cry from the enthusiasm with which Fox does the bidding of the GOP.
Pathetic
Didn't CNN fire one of their leads for saying something not politically correct in Switzerland with regard to the Pentagon targeting journalists in the Iraq War? Time Warner / CNN is nothing close to Fox News.
The FoxNews/Republican/Teabagger nexus is very dangerous because they have no shame about lying in the most blatant manner...
the reason most of us
the reason most of us stopped paying attention to kaus long, long ago is that, when confronted with this most unsophisticated rebuttal, he doesn't say "what are you, nuts? what kind of lunatic thinks that cnn functioned as a propaganda arm of the clinton white house."
but he doesn't say that. he only says "there was a guy at cnn who i could believe that of but he was only there three years."
admittedly, since kaus great career move was becoming the kind of jerk that right wingers would say nice things about (as in "even the liberal mickey kaus believes thus-and-such"), i kind of feel sorry for the guy as the zeitgeist shifts and he tries to shift with it. too late, mickey.
How long ago did Turner sell CNN? ...
and when was Kaplan president of CNN? Lest Kaus forgets ... CNN has been owned by Time Warner for a while ... until somewhat recently ... Time Warner was run by a Michael Steele wanna be named Dick Parsons(who is now CEO of Citigroup) ... so I highly doubt CNN has been in bed with any Democrats
> Seriously? This was the
> Seriously? This was the most sophisticated rebuttal he got?
No. See http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODY2YzcyZmY0NmZmZDczYzQ0YTEzYzZ...
I didn't get too far into
I didn't get too far into that, but it was a Fox affiliate not Fox News.
Fox affiliates show The Simpson's and stuff and don't share any programming or editorial control with Fox News (except for rebroadcast exciting stuff and live feeds of car chases).
pathetic
Since you didn't have a chance to pore over the massive case for Fox's independence from the White House during the Bush years, let me summarize the rest of the NRO piece for you: steel tariffs. Seriously. After eight years of misrule that gutted the nation's coffers, constitutional principles, & international reputation, the best argument they can come up with to demonstrate that Fox wasn't in the tank for the Bush administration is steel tariffs.
Rick Kaplan? I know Roger
Rick Kaplan? I know Roger Ailes. Roger Ailes is an unapologetic hack. And you, Rick Kaplan, are no Roger Ailes.
Who is Kaplan?
Who is Kaplan? Is he the reason CNN didn't cover Lewinsky?
And the ratings for Fox News
And the ratings for Fox News continue to climb...
Has anyone catalogued all the "deliberate lies" that Fox News has purported to tell? I'd love to see this evidence.
All I've seen them do is break stories the MSM won't touch because they might embarass the White House: ACORN, Van Jones, etc. All of those stories were true. They just happened to be politically incorrect (for the Dems that is).
Fox's indirect influence, not its audience, is pernicious
Fox News is the only network or newspaper run by a former political consultant. Ailes is known for an most infamous smear, the Willie Horton commercial. Along with Lee Atwater, he invented the contemporary attack political commercial. Not until James Carville runs the CNN newsroom or edits the New York Times will there be any equivalency between Fox and any other major media outlet.
Fox's Beck and Hannity, in addition to preaching to a relatively small choir, have a wildly disproportionate upon the news most Americans read, see, and hear. Fox must be so thoroughly discredited that ABC, NBC, and CBS no longer rely on their commentary to determine the news agenda.
Beck and Limbaugh do not belong within the spectrum of debate; they are bullying louts spewing lies at passive, uninformed drinkers from a strategically-placed bar stool. And yet their hateful verbal vomit is treated by the major media with more attention and respect than the carefully-reasoned arguments of genuine conservatives in universities, the bench, and legitimate organs of opinion.
Obama is right to attack Fox just as Churchill (the epitome of genuine conservatism) was right to declare unconditional war against British Nazis and fifth columnists in World War II. Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh are enemies of America.
Fox News is run by a disingenuous campaign manager and propagandist.
Fox must be destroyed.
People, people. There is
People, people. There is nothing wrong with commentators, bloggers, or entire networks being biased, extremely biased, or full of hate. Unless you're opposed to free speech, of course, which most Democrats are, who have embraced PC speech, or are simply in love with Obama and his agenda and think all media people should stand behind him as they do.
The real problem is when reporters and journalists slant news into propaganda, which is almost exclusively a liberal trait.
Keep wearing those goggles
Huh, and here I thought the Iraq hoopla 7 years ago actually took place. You know the one where biased communication led us into a war. Must have been a dream. Kind 'a like how Rumsfeld and Cheney on national t.v. repeatedly told us and the press that some forms of a communication were unpatriotic.
Yep, it's those dang liberals we've got to watch out for!
"Ailes is known for an most
"Ailes is known for an most infamous smear, the Willie Horton commercial."
Whatever. It was 100% correct and factual. Heck, Ailes went out of his way to ensure the criminals in the TV commerical weren't black. The actors were white. If you watched that commerical, you'd have no way of knowing that the Willie Horton was black.
Again - what was the smear? It was an idiotic furlough policy that lead to the torture of two innocent victims at the hands of a criminal that shouldn't have received a "weekend of leave" from his life-behind-bars sentence.
It's Not About Taking Orders
Nothing so obvious or crass as that happens. But it is all about the Narrative, which encourages news agencies to play along, enabling their political compatriots to claim their favorite means of controlling people all have rigorous logic and popular support.
The Narrative doesn't require memos or orders - well, unless you count being a participant in the Journolist.
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