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The Next Bubble

A year ago, the implosion of the global economy prompted a huge flight to quality.  Nobody wanted risky assets anymore.  All they wanted was nice, safe, United States Treasury bonds.

The economy has stabilized since then, and that means that investors with access to lots of cheap money are once again becoming eager to invest in risky assets.  Pimco's Paul McCulley suggests that this makes perfect sense as long as everyone is convinced that the Fed will hold interest rates at zero for a long time, but then he admits that it's all a bit of a paradox.  After all, the Fed will only hold down interest rates if the economy continues to suck, in which case rising asset prices are just a big bubble.  But if the economy recovers, thus justifying the high current prices of risky assets, then the Fed will raise interest rates and the whole thing will come crashing down.  It's a quandary.  In the end, though, he advises a bit half-heartedly that "the time has come to begin paring exposure to risk assets, and if their prices continue to rise, paring at an accelerated pace."

And Nouriel Roubini?  Well, Roubini doesn't do anything half-heartedly.  He says in no uncertain terms that we are completely and irrevocably fucked:

The US dollar has become the major funding currency of carry trades as the Fed has kept interest rates on hold and is expected to do so for a long time. Investors who are shorting the US dollar to buy on a highly leveraged basis higher-yielding assets and other global assets are not just borrowing at zero interest rates in dollar terms; they are borrowing at very negative interest rates — as low as negative 10 or 20 per cent annualised — as the fall in the US dollar leads to massive capital gains on short dollar positions.

....Yet, at the same time, the perceived riskiness of individual asset classes is declining as volatility is diminished due to the Fed’s policy of buying everything in sight....So the combined effect of the Fed policy of a zero Fed funds rate, quantitative easing and massive purchase of long-term debt instruments is seemingly making the world safe — for now — for the mother of all carry trades and mother of all highly leveraged global asset bubbles.

....But one day this bubble will burst, leading to the biggest co-ordinated asset bust ever....A stampede will occur as closing long leveraged risky asset positions across all asset classes funded by dollar shorts triggers a co-ordinated collapse of all those risky assets — equities, commodities, emerging market asset classes and credit instruments.

....This unraveling may not occur for a while, as easy money and excessive global liquidity can push asset prices higher for a while. But the longer and bigger the carry trades and the larger the asset bubble, the bigger will be the ensuing asset bubble crash. The Fed and other policymakers seem unaware of the monster bubble they are creating. The longer they remain blind, the harder the markets will fall.

Now that's a cheery thought, isn't it?  Monstrous amounts of leverage are going to be employed bidding up assets of all kinds, and monstrous amounts of money are going to be made.  As usual, everyone will assume they'll be able to get out in time, and about 99% of those people will be wrong.  Then: kaboom.  The yen carry trade took down Iceland and a few hedge funds, but the dollar carry trade is going to take us down.

Well, maybe, maybe not.  Roubini does seem to have some pretty sizable financial mood swings.  But I have to admit that the stock market sure looks overvalued to me too.  Corporate profits may be up for the moment, but belt tightening will only work for just so long.  Eventually revenues need to rise, and it's a little hard to see where that's going to come from in the short term.

But I'm a pessimist.  Even in good times I'm a pessimist.  So who cares what I think?

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I think we've learned our

I think we've learned our lesson.

MarkH

Really?

Some people, especially those benefiting from the screwed-up system, won't learn...EVER. They can only be regulated.

That said, we haven't had the new regulations yet, so they will indeed continue their crazy (but profitable) tactics.

Perhaps what we will see is a second mini-crash induced by the same garbage as before. I doubt it though, the mortgage crisis is mostly done, so there's not going to be that same thing again. I don't think the commercial part of this will be quite the same.

Maybe the biggest benefit will be to see that lack of regulations will indeed enable the problems to repeat infinitely. And that would be a great bit of evidence that the regulations are not just a Liberal idea, but a fundamental Capitalist necessity.

Something which came to my mind when Kevin wrote that there was massive leveraging was that this means there's more money in the system, but is any of it going to IPOs for new businesses to create jobs, products & services or at least new bond issues for existing companies wishing to expand, or is it just all going to re-inflate the bubble around existing company stocks?

We have a serious problem of having so many of our needs met that it's hard for new companies to find a purpose and customer-base and therefore a rationale for existing and receiving investment dollars.

We need more real economy to absorb new capital or else the flood of capital (both real and leverage) will flood the markets until the gov't simply turns off the spigot.

What is the reason the increased capital goes to current stocks instead of investments in companies via IPOs or new bond issues?

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Compound interest

is the root cause of all financial bubbles. You can't have bubbles without exponential functions and compound interest. If you have compound interest, there will always be bubbles across different scales of time and magnitude. Compound interest can be infinite but the amount of real wealth is not because we live on a finite planet. Do the math.

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Screwed either way

So, reading Roubini, it's seems we have two choices (and by we, I mean the Fed). Raise interest rates and see these carry trades explode, creating another crash

...OR not raise interest rates, but run the risk of explosive inflation (which seems like a serious threat given that we are in positive GDP territory). And I can only imagine what a combination of high inflation and really high unemployment will feel like.

That's a great choice. Wake me up when we start recovering sometime around 2019.

g. powell

Inflation?

No, there is no serious inflationary risk. GDP is growing, but the output gap is still huge. In the scheme of the things, the uptick in GDP was not impressive.

But I share the concern about a Fed exit strategy. The Bank of Japan brought its rates to zero about a decade ago, and still can't figure out how to get out.

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Peas in a pod, Kevin

But I'm a pessimist. Even in good times I'm a pessimist. So who cares what I think?

Me too. But I don't care what anybody else thinks about it.

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Roubini and almost all

Roubini and almost all economists seem to be incapable of learning from anything that happened before they were in graduate school. In fact we know what happens when the Fed holds interest rates low for a long time, and it has no resemblance to what Roubini forecasts.

g. powell

Well, tell us then. I'm

Well, tell us then. I'm dying to know.

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I think Kevin is in the

I think Kevin is in the pocket of the clip art lobby and has to come up with posts that enable him to use that leverage graphic every few days.

g. powell

Copulating camels

When I'm not wasting time on this Web site, I edit a business and economic news Web site, and it's tough coming up with images. A lot of business and economic stories just don't have good visuals, so you end up using the same stupid graphic over and over. I don't know what the answer is, you can't spend the whole day looking for another image. A page can take just so many pictures of buildings and middle-age white and Asian guys.

This reminds me of the infamous Economist cover story about mergers that featured a photo of copulating camels. That's one solution to the problem.

Trippp

Obviously I have no crystal

Obviously I have no crystal ball, but for the first time ever I cashed out some of my 401K. Yes, I paid taxes and penalty, and I know everybody and his brother (who are selling stocks) say to never, ever do that.

It made sense to me, because I am not convinced that the next five years will be good for stocks. The current rally seems shaky to me.

But as I said, I have no special knowledge. This comes from my gut, and maybe I had a bad breakfast burrito.

Tripp

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Economic theory tells us how

Economic theory tells us how to handle bursting of a large bubble.

1. Bail out the richest investors who are too big to fail.
2. Increase money supply.
3. Borrow from China.
4. Massively increase government stimulus spending.

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Kevin Drum: "But I'm a

Kevin Drum: "But I'm a pessimist."

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.

Detroit Dan

Chinese Bubble?

We've got a carry trade bubble, with people borrowing US $ at 0 interesting and buying Australian bonds. Australia can afford 3.5% interest rates because its selling a lot of commodities to China. China is dependent upon exports to the U.S., and these keep the U.S. dollar weak. And we've come to a complete circle! This can go on forever, right?

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What is certainly still a

What is certainly still a big continuing problem is the media, the financial experts and
pundits in the wider context.
Of general interest, something to catch up on, is for instance the famous video
with Peter Schiff and a number of other financial experts / pundits forecasting,
advising a while back ago. Most of the pundits are probably the worst of that lot.
The viewer instantly knows in that case how things worked out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw

Another one, Danny Schechter, also takes up repeatedly the problem of the
media in the financial sector. One example his look back at the failure of the
media in the subprime:
http://rinf.com/alt-news/media-news/where-was-media-when-sub-prime-disas...

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