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NRA Fights To Let Suspected Terrorists Have Guns
When reasonable, Constitution-abiding people argue that no one--and especially "suspects" and "persons of interest"--should be imprisoned (and denied legal representation) without being charged with a crime, we are often told that we are "unpatriotic" and "weak." What will our accusers, then, tell members of the National Rifle Association, who are arguing that suspected terrorists should not be denied firearms?
The NRA is lobbying the Bush administration to drop its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms. In a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said that the proposed bill "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."
Cox went on to say: "As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties."
Are the NRA members "unpatriotic" and "weak"? Stay tuned...literally.
We need diversity, for the public good, it takes a village,a global village if america is teh survive for the greater good and feminize our society.When did genocide become acceptable to you gun nuts?Can we all steer toward the human dignity that is Socialism ? Today's Conservatives ? especially today's Republican Party are very good at talking the talk but they are incredibly bad at walking the walk. While they extol the greatness of Ronald Reagan they repeatedly violate Reagan's Rule not to air party problems in public so that the opposition can benefit from that knowledge.
So too are they delinquent in actually practicing what they preach.
How many of you have taken pen to paper and written a soldier serving in Iraq?
How many have sent a care package to afford one of them a little piece of home?
How many of you have actually written to your elected officials expressing your dismay or congratulating them on a job well done?
How many of you have advanced financial support ? be it $1 or $1,000 ? to the new media outlets that you patronize and who have without fail carried the water to the elephant while the mainstream media has served its big money special interest donors in the defeat of America?
How many of you have given of yourselves to promote the fact-based education of those around you so that our country would be a more educated and thus a better place to live?
What have you done to make sure there is an American Heritage to pass on to your children and your children's children?
SOCIALISM IS NOW! AND FOR ALL! We Democrats should chalk up victory after victory, inching further and further toward controlling not only the House and Senate but the White House and Supreme Court as well.Socialism brothers is within our grasp!
So, in summise, for those who have been wondering (you know who you are subguns), I spent the weekends in glorious San Francisco! I've stayed in Anaheim for the Gay Days another weekend.And the whole chorus spent the weekend terrifying the NRA Bible study groups.A handful of our group mired in Big Gay Dramas, rehearse some more ... and before the weekend is over, there will no doubt be a Scandalous Sexual Encounter that will keep the chorus gossip circles abuzz for months.
After a mighty struggle to extract myself from the almost unearthly comforts of my glorious hotel bed Sunday morning, I donned my gay apparel running gear, chugged a ton of prev julian gallo and headed out the door for a fabulous run through the Park. No wonder the Republicans are in office?us gays are too busy emulating alienating outsnobbing each other. (I must say we look good doing it, though.)
We need diversity, for the public good, it takes a village,a global village if america is teh survive for the greater good and feminize our society.When did genocide become acceptable to you gun nuts?Can we all steer toward the human dignity that is Socialism ? Today's Conservatives ? especially today's Republican Party are very good at talking the talk but they are incredibly bad at walking the walk. While they extol the greatness of Ronald Reagan they repeatedly violate Reagan's Rule not to air party problems in public so that the opposition can benefit from that knowledge.
So too are they delinquent in actually practicing what they preach.
How many of you have taken pen to paper and written a soldier serving in Iraq?
How many have sent a care package to afford one of them a little piece of home?
How many of you have actually written to your elected officials expressing your dismay or congratulating them on a job well done?
How many of you have advanced financial support ? be it $1 or $1,000 ? to the new media outlets that you patronize and who have without fail carried the water to the elephant while the mainstream media has served its big money special interest donors in the defeat of America?
How many of you have given of yourselves to promote the fact-based education of those around you so that our country would be a more educated and thus a better place to live?
What have you done to make sure there is an American Heritage to pass on to your children and your children's children?
SOCIALISM IS NOW! AND FOR ALL! We Democrats should chalk up victory after victory, inching further and further toward controlling not only the House and Senate but the White House and Supreme Court as well.Socialism brothers is within our grasp!
So, in summise, for those who have been wondering (you know who you are subguns), I spent the weekends in glorious San Francisco! I've stayed in Anaheim for the Gay Days another weekend.And the whole chorus spent the weekend terrifying the NRA Bible study groups.A handful of our group mired in Big Gay Dramas, rehearse some more ... and before the weekend is over, there will no doubt be a Scandalous Sexual Encounter that will keep the chorus gossip circles abuzz for months.
After a mighty struggle to extract myself from the almost unearthly comforts of my glorious hotel bed Sunday morning, I donned my gay apparel running gear, chugged a ton of prev julian gallo and headed out the door for a fabulous run through the Park. No wonder the Republicans are in office?us gays are too busy emulating alienating outsnobbing each other. (I must say we look good doing it, though.)
Aren't we always complaining about how arbitrary and often incorrect these terrorist watch lists are? Like the "No Fly" list that is made up almost entirely of innocent people? The one that you can't get yourself take off of even after you prove you're not a terrorist?
I think I have to agree with the NRA on this, which upsets me mightily. But, I do see the parallel. We should not be denying anyone's rights based on suspicions, especially the lists Guav mentions above, which are already themselves more suspicious than the people on the lists.
I did not quickly find a statement about this from ACLU. I'd be curious to get their official statement on the subject.
Black folk are charged(suspect) all the time and then released. Lord knows that we need guns in our community to defend us from the robbers and mommie rapists. I carry one in my purse.
The NRA is absolutely right on this point. Civil liberties should not be suspended on the basis of suspicions.
If, in fact, the NRA espoused the idea that 4th, 5th and 6th amendment protections do not apply to suspected terrorists, then that would be an inconsistency on their part. You have not made that case however.
Also, your blog title smacks of yellow journalism.
Latasha - good for you. Taking your safety into your own hands is a good idea for everyone. For poor blacks who have little reason to expect protection from the police, it is a particularly good idea.
I'm sick of the government using lists of terrorists to deny freedom of movement to "suspects" like pacifist nuns, New England senators, and people who protest against the war in Iraq. Now it wants to deny the 2nd Amendment to such people?
Can't you stupid liberals get past the knee-jerk reaction against guns and think about our civil liberties for a moment? Republicans chip away at one end. Democrats at the other. I hate them all.
I have not seen a statement from the ACLU, but I strongly suspect the ACLU will back the NRA because of the ACLU's record of consistency.
The post, of course, is not about the NRA, but about possible--well, EXPECTED--hypocrisy on the part of the news media and conservative spokespeople, who call the rest of us names when we object to punishing "suspected terrorists." I do not see any comments at all anywhere that bash the NRA's position. Obviously, there is some invisible ink being used.
We need diversity, for the public good, it takes a village,a global village if america is teh survive for the greater good and feminize our society.When did genocide become acceptable to you gun nuts?Can we all steer toward the human dignity that is Socialism ? Today's Conservatives especially today's Republican Party are very good at talking the talk but they are incredibly bad at walking the walk. While they extol the greatness of Ronald Reagan they repeatedly violate Reagan's Rule not to air party problems in public so that the opposition can benefit from that knowledge.
So too are they delinquent in actually practicing what they preach.
How many of you have taken pen to paper and written a soldier serving in Iraq?
How many have sent a care package to afford one of them a little piece of home?
How many of you have actually written to your elected officials expressing your dismay or congratulating them on a job well done?
How many of you have advanced financial support be it $1 or $1,000 to the new media outlets that you patronize and who have without fail carried the water to the elephant while the mainstream media has served its big money special interest donors in the defeat of America?
How many of you have given of yourselves to promote the fact-based education of those around you so that our country would be a more educated and thus a better place to live?
What have you done to make sure there is an American Heritage to pass on to your children and your children's children?
SOCIALISM IS NOW! AND FOR ALL! We Democrats should chalk up victory after victory, inching further and further toward controlling not only the House and Senate but the White House and Supreme Court as well.Socialism brothers is within our grasp!
"The post, of course, is not about the NRA"
With a title like "NRA Fights To Let Suspected Terrorists Have Guns" you could have fooled me.
As for the hypocrisy bit, I think you need to argue against actual statements. You seem to be arguing with the neocons in your head here. No need, really, as there's plenty of real hypocrisy in the neocon camp. (And your blog does a great job of covering it, most of the time.)
"Obviously, there is some invisible ink being used."
Oh, indeed.
If "suspected terrorists" can't buy guns, they can get it on the street, so it is only symbolic. Illegal firepower is available on the street. The legal stuff is only for the small brains. Usually, the intelligent services infiltrate these terrorist groups and supple them with the illegal firepower and then bust them. At times, the intelligent services compete with the capitalist street vendors, but that is a whole another subject. Got to run.
So, in summise, for those who have been wondering (you know who you are subguns), I spent the weekends in glorious San Francisco! I've stayed in Anaheim for the Gay Days another weekend.And the whole chorus spent the weekend terrifying the NRA Bible study groups.A handful of our group mired in Big Gay Dramas, rehearse some more ... and before the weekend is over, there will no doubt be a Scandalous Sexual Encounter that will keep the chorus gossip circles abuzz for months.
After a mighty struggle to extract myself from the almost unearthly comforts of my glorious hotel bed Sunday morning, I donned my gay apparel running gear, chugged a ton of prev julian gallo and headed out the door for a fabulous run through the Park. No wonder the Republicans are in officeus gays are too busy emulating alienating outsnobbing each other. (I must say we look good doing it, though.)
So much for the Pro-Lifers.
Conservatives who are using the situations to attack the executive branch of the government because they hate Bill Clinton, Janet Reno and Liberals so much their brains leak.
In the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller, the Supreme Court found that possession of a firearm is not protected by the Second Amendment unless it has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia. No gun control law brought before the Supreme Court or other federal courts ever has been overturned on Second Amendment grounds.
If it could be done (which it can't) I would like to see the elimination of all handguns and any long gun that can fire more than three rounds. They weren't even that far when the 2nd Amendment was written, and it still allows real Americans to hunt and defend themselves from Negroes, Arabs and Liberals.
But it is the third issue, behind hunting and self-defense that is the Jim Dandy of them all. They want their handguns and assault rifles for the coming revolution to overthrown the stinking liberal socialist government. How far does one lead an F-16, a B-52 or an artillery shell with a pistol? Where exactly is the best place to aim at a Abrams A1 tanks or a battleships with an M-16? Revolutions are not supplied from gun shops but from ship containers full of armaments from other nations and dependent upon which Armies go to what side rather than what can be bought at gun shows. Which brings up another point. I would like all gun shows made illegal. For if you have evergone to one, you know they are the hottest breeding ground for the most violent Right-wing extremists in the land.
Bigbenr wrote:
"No gun control law brought before the Supreme Court or other federal courts ever has been overturned on Second Amendment grounds.
If it could be done (which it can't) I would like to see..."
Are you a bettin' man, Bigbenr?
We have isolated the Negro gene. When Hillary takes over, all of you ignorant rednecks will be rounded up and injected with the Negro gene. Your guns will be sent to Hamas and your jobs and your pickups will go to China.
Your fat, dumpy, common law "wives" will go to the biodiesel plants for Final Solution, and you will spend the rest of your lives smoking Virginia slims and watching "Oprah" on your little rent-to-own TV in your soiled and dingy projects apartments.
You will be humanely euthanized at age 63 to protect our Social Security. You will not be allowed to have dogs or automobiles and your Confederate regalia will be used to decorate the Homeless Shelters in Boston and Providence.
Why the hate, bigbenr?
Hate, bred of an irrational fear, is all some people seem able to manifest in their lives.
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