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Mormons Against Romney
Mitt Romney has flip-flopped on so many of the major issues in today's politics, it's clear that his behavior isn't a series of changes-of-heart. It's a fundamental willingness to do and say anything to be president. So maybe it's not surprising that Romney is waffling in small but important ways on his own religion. Nevertheless, some Mormons are pissed.
Here's why Romney has drawn their ire, according to Josh Patashnik in TNR.
(1) In a TV interview, Romney disputed the claim that Mormonism differs from evangelical Christianity by believing that Jesus will return to America instead of the Middle East. Romney said that "the Messiah will come to Jerusalem... It's the same as the other Christian tradition." Except it's not. Mormons do believe Jesus will return to the Middle East, but they also believe that Jesus will establish a new Jerusalem in Jackson County, Missouri. From Jackson County, Jesus will rule for 1,000 years. That's a fairly significant period of time for Romney sweep under the rug.
(2) In a Newsweek interview, Romney attempted to downplay the significance of baptism for the dead, a fundamental Mormon practice that allows the deceased to enter heaven.
(3) On the campaign trail, Romney refers to Jesus as his "personal savior," in the habit of the protestant evangelicals he is attempting to woo. Mormons don't use the phrase "both because it implies a born-again experience not central to Mormonism and because church doctrine, like Catholicism but unlike evangelical Protestantism, maintains that faith in Christ must be matched with good works in order to attain salvation," according to Patashnik.
(4) Romney has said, "I can't imagine anything more awful than polygamy." Mormons recognize that polygamy is part of their history and usually treat it with more sensitivity.
And then there's the Mormons who just plain don't like Romney's pandering to the members of the Religious Right who for so long have tried to ostracize and demonize Mormons. Take this man, for example:
"I understand he has to appeal to them for political purposes, but it makes me, as a Mormon, feel very, very queasy to see him doing it," says Greg Kearney, a computer programmer in Casper, Wyoming. "These people hate us, and they are so vitriolic--they think they get to decide who's Christian. I don't know if it's worth it."
It's tough being a man with no driving force other than his own ambition, ain't it?
I happen to have some insight on the so-called "honesty" that Mitt and his sons are trying to portrait. I will not post all the details here because we are still in litigation; actually, we have not even started after 3 years! Not even the OJ trial lasted that long.
I moved with my family to Provo 3 years ago to what we thought would be our forever home and soon turn out to be our forever nightmare. We have lost everything because of this mess. Josh Romney (Mitt Romney's son) forced himself into our home along with his father in law (the builder of the so-called dream house) pushing my daughter in the process (I believe that is a crime in Utah) threatened me and my kids (we have 10 children). We had to call 911 to have them removed from the property.
3 years later we have not resolved anything, we lost everything in this real estate fraud; I was diagnosed with posttraumatic stress syndrome and subsequently fibromyalgia due to everything that they have done to us ? and they still doing it to us.
What a model family the Romney's are.
I happen to have some insight on the so-called "honesty" that Mitt and his sons are trying to portrait. I will not post all the details here because we are still in litigation; actually, we have not even started after 3 years! Not even the OJ trial lasted that long.
I moved with my family to Provo 3 years ago to what we thought would be our forever home and soon turn out to be our forever nightmare. We have lost everything because of this mess. Josh Romney (Mitt Romney's son) forced himself into our home along with his father in law (the builder of the so-called dream house) pushing my daughter in the process (I believe that is a crime in Utah) threatened me and my kids (we have 10 children). We had to call 911 to have them removed from the property.
3 years later we have not resolved anything, we lost everything in this real estate fraud; I was diagnosed with posttraumatic stress syndrome and subsequently fibromyalgia due to everything that they have done to us ? and they still doing it to us.
What a model family the Romney's are.
Good piece of reporting.
Seems funny when the ones you think would be supporting are not.
That and the abject hypocrisy and two-faceness.
Keep up the good work.
Sorry but Romney is not running as a Mormon. He may be seen as an ambassador (in the general sense) of the LDS Church, but not as an official representative. Moreover, construct your title correctly - rephrase it as "Some Mormons Against Romney" - Be specific, if you wan to be terrific! You're only typecasting the Mormons by your careless distorted verbiage. Very few Mormons - may be just Mormon Democrats - would fall in the category you're representing in the article. Romney has consistently declared that he would not downplay or relinquish his faith for political expediency. As a Mormon, I am personally responsible for my own proper understanding of Church doctrines, and if I need to gain more understanding, the Standard Works and words of the leaders (prophets and apostles) serve as resources. If that's how Romney understands the gospel, then so be it, I'm sure he will be accountable for such understanding. If people want to know about the Church, there are missionaries and/or official website to peruse for information.
The qoute saying,"Jesus as his "personal savior," in the habit of the protestant evangelicals he is attempting to woo." (about Romney) I am not sure how he is wooing the protestants with this. I am Mormon and Jesus is my personal savior my whole life. I think that the fact that many still feel that Mormons do not belive in Jesus Christ. I know for a fact that this is false. Jesus is a savior in my life, and Romney from what I see is only sharing that point with others.
I am a republican Latter-day Saint. I shutter when I observe fellow Latter-day Saints who, like Esau selling his mess of pottage, resort to intractable rationalizations of Romney's behavior that extend well beyond the acceptable limits of such tolerances for other public officials and political candidates.
Rather than muster the courage to admit falling victim to mass Romney-hysteria, many are content to ignore and even defend the obvious inconsistencies, depravities and deceptions Romney has exhibited throughout his political and professional life. Those who would continue their support of Mitt Romney do so at their peril, however. Regardless of whether or not Mitt Romney gets the republican nomination, those who compromised their values or maintained their ignorance for Romney's sake will be cheapened spiritually by their complicity in glory-lusting at the expense of their integrity.
I have pity for those Latter-day Saints who are too foolish to recognize Romney's depravity; I am ashamed of and disgusted by those who rationalize, defend or ignore it. May Esau's legacy be their inheritance.
I happen to have some insight on the so-called "honesty" that Mitt and his sons are trying to portrait. I will not post all the details here because we are still in litigation; actually, we have not even started after 3 years! Not even the OJ trial lasted that long.
I moved with my family to Provo 3 years ago to what we thought would be our forever home and soon turn out to be our forever nightmare. We have lost everything because of this mess. Josh Romney (Mitt Romney's son) forced himself into our home along with his father in law (the builder of the so-called dream house) pushing my daughter in the process (I believe that is a crime in Utah) threatened me and my kids (we have 10 children). We had to call 911 to have them removed from the property.
3 years later we have not resolved anything, we lost everything in this real estate fraud; I was diagnosed with posttraumatic stress syndrome and subsequently fibromyalgia due to everything that they have done to us and they still doing it to us.
What a model family the Romney's are.
How is Romney not running as a Mormon? I was raised Mormon, and it's the kind of religion that permiates every aspect of your being, daily thoughts, goals and short/long-term decisions. Even if he is trying to downplay the religious part of his life in some states, it is being referenced in key, intentional ways in places where it benefits him. And yes, the Mormons are going to vote for him because he is Mormon--at least according to my family, extended family and.... well, everyone else that I know.
Also--Polygamy is a celestial concept. It's something Romney will practice in the after life if he lives his life the way he should now. It's an eternal principle--the belief is that Mormons aren't supposed to practice polymamy now, not that they won't in the after life. So it's not just that MOrmons accept polymamy as part of their history--it's very much part of the future. People make jokes about this all the time (I once heard a man in our ward joke that if his wife wasn't good to him now, she would loose first wife benefits in the celestial kingdom--he said something like "you are getting dangerously close to loosing first wife benefits." HOw degrading for women--I'm not sure what is worse, living with the threat of polygamy in the after life or just giving up, leaving the church and marrying a swinger. In the one case you are innocent and degraded, and in the other you are at least free to have your own relationships even if you are also degraded).
It's all very creepy, and I am voting against Romney because he reeks of Mormon maleness.
Oh - wait, I do know one mormon that is going to vote for Romney because he is the only candidate that has experience as a CEO, and running a large company is apparently very critical to developing the leadership skills needed to run America.
So my prior posting was wrong--not every Mormon that I know is voting for Romney because he is Mormon. Just every Mormon but one.
First of all Romney has made it clear time and time again that he is not running as a mormon. He is simply a mormon who is running for office. It's wrong for the media to drill him about his religious convictions. In fact it goes against the constitution to put candidates through such a religious test.
As far as the flip-flopping thing is concerned, last I checked Romney changed his position on abortion once and he has stuck by this change despite all the criticism he's recieved. He has explained this change countless times. It's not like Hilary Clinton who has around 15 different views on the war.
With regards to his comments about polygamy, I can't belive that mormons are criticizing him for saying he "can't think of anything more aweful." Didn't Brigham Young himself say he would rather be dead, laying in a couphin, than practice polygamy? Polygamy is no longer a commandment of the Lord. It has been taken from the earth and to practice it now would be an abomination! You can't feel good about Polygamy because it no longer is ok to practice. If you do you get excommunicated from the church! I know I can't think of anything much worse than polygamy and Mitt Romney should not be criticized for it.
And the whole trying to relate to fellow Christians amd calling Christ his personal savior, why not try listening to general conference every once and a while. M. Russle Ballard said, "We believe that Jesus Christ is our PERSONAL SAVIOR, and we try to model our lives after Him and His teachings. We accept as FELLOW CHRISTIANS all who believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God and the Savior of all mankind." How many times in General Confrence has our late prophet Gordon B. Hinckley talked about his "fellow christians." Go type in the words "personal savior" at LDS.org and about 1000 general authority talks and quotes pop up.
All those things aside, Romney is by far the best candidate for president. He's great bussiness man and can keep the economy going, regardless of his past stances he's conservative in all his social issues, he's tough on the war on terror, he supports border control, and he's a far better candidate than his liberal republican opponent, John McCain. And lets face it, anybody is better than Obama... besides maybe Hilary Clinton.
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The Mormon church apes Christianity as much as possible, pirating much of the verbiage like "personal Savior," and so forth. However, the Jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus of Christianity. See the third article on www.spiritualtruthwatch.blogspot.com.
I love the way the press are suddenly experts on the mormon religion. We are not mindless robots who are all going to vote for Romney because he is LDS. I know plenty of LDS Democrats, even people in leadership positions. I have been a member all my life, and never heard a political speech over the pulpit. Outside of church, of course there can be lively debate. I supported Romney because of his obvious leadership abilities,and his conservative views. I could care less what his religion is. As far as our beliefs when Christ will come again,even many Mormons get confused. We do believe in the "Second Coming" in the Middle East, as prophesied of in the Bible, and other LDS scripture. We also believe he will make other appearances in temples, close to that time, and possibly to prophets at the time. We believe that Christ is alive and well, and involved in the running of His Church on the earth today. These appearances are not considered the grand event of the "Second Coming". So Romney was NOT wrong when he explained our view. Also, why does he have to "throw his pearls before the swine," and go into great detail about practices such as baptism for the dead? It's really not that big of a deal to us. It is a very simple concept-we do something for others that they can't do for themselves. As far as Christ being our personal savior, we most certainly believe that He is, and I have been taught this concept since I was a child. Of course all Christians have to come and know this for themselves, and honestly, I think there are good people of many faiths, who may have even stronger convictions than some LDS members, and we can look to them as examples in that regard. Romney hardly was pandering during the campaign. I think he was in an extremely difficult situation. Prejudice against the LDS church is one of the last that is acceptable. I'm betting that there are a lot of people who didn't vote for him because of his religion, who now wish he was in charge instead of the weak Obama.