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Dem Debate: A Cordial Twosome in Hollywood
Tonight in Hollywood, with celebrities packing the seats of the historic Kodak Theater, anyone expecting a blockbuster debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama was sorely disappointed. Neither made a bold play for the other's supporters. Neither took any chances. In general, both were civil, composed, and very impressive. One could argue that Obama won as a result, because he showed a national audience of newly attentive February 5 voters that he could match Hillary Clinton point for point. One could also argue that the calmness of the debate favored Clinton, who, as the frontrunner, avoided any incidents that could jeopardize her supremacy.
One could also argue the campaigns decided that, because the delegate count will be relatively close after February 5, they had no reason to go for broke and were content to leave the night as a wash.
There were moments, however, that rewarded close attention. Early in the debate, the candidates were asked a question about whether illegal immigrants take African American jobs. Obama, responding first, argued that there are systemic problems in the American economy that steal opportunities from minorities and the poor. To point to illegal immigrants is to make them a scapegoat. Clinton responded by pandering to downscale voters.
There are people who have been pushed out of jobs and factories and meat processing plants, and all kinds of settings. And I meet them. You know, I was in Atlanta last night, and an African-American man said to me, "I used to have a lot of construction jobs, and now it just seems like the only people who get them anymore are people who are here without documentation."
It was an effective comparison between the two. While Obama was trying, perhaps in vain, to suggest his willingness to question conventional wisdom and his emphasis on telling "hard truths," Clinton said what was politically expedient and probably won more voters.
A similar situation came later in the debate, when Obama chastised the Hollywood executives in the audience for marketing violent images to children. Clinton smiled and added nothing.
The discussion on the war also crystallized the differences (and the similarities) between the candidates. Obama repeatedly emphasized that he was against the war from the beginning, when it was unpopular to hold that position. Being ready on Day One was fine, Obama said, but it is more important "to be right on Day One." While Clinton focused on the future"What are we going to do going forward?"Obama looked back long enough to call the war "conceptually flawed." "I don't want to just end the war," he said, "but I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place." In the end, however, both candidates indicated that they want to get out of Iraq, and that may be all that voters take away.
But the candidates' performances during the Iraq portion of the debate may get overshadowed, in the TV media's replay of clips and sound bites, by a moment that was created by the mediator. After Clinton argued that those who supported the war in Iraq did so because of solid evidence, Blitzer asked, "You were naive to believe President Bush?" The crowd reacted with boos and jeersone man actually shouted "C'mon, Wolf!"and it appeared to be a revival in miniature of the pre-New Hampshire zeitgeist, in which voters not normally predisposed toward Clinton were willing to sympathize with her fight against an antagonistic media.
In all, however, it would be hard for anyone to point to a clear victor. It was a highly substantive debate that focused largely on the issues and let both candidates speak at length. Naturally, with two talented candidates each with over a year of campaigning under his or her belt, everyone (except Wolf Blitzer, perhaps) came off well.





























I think both candidates did what they needed to do. For Barack Obama, I think he definitely had in mind trying to cut the legs from under the most frequent (and wrong) assumption about him: that he has no substance and can't go toe-to-toe on the specifics and issues. Thus, it was in his interest to wonk it up here and go back to rousing speeches on the trail. Clinton needed to take the edge of her personality.
I'm an Obama supporter, so I think that he came out on top, because while the memories of some of the less pleasant stuff needs time to fade debate or no, I think he's really created a high-profile media trail that points to actual gravitas and not fluff.
Thank you, Hillary for telling your campaign advisers to STFU and give us a reason to vote FOR you. I'm still supporting and sending money to Obama, but for now I believe I cannot lose no matter the eventual decision of my fellow Democrats.
Barack Obama's Health Care is the Same Universal Health Care offered by Hillary and Edwards, but with one Major Difference: You Have the Option of Choice!
We as a nation have to decide, do we want to be forced to pay for universal medical insurance, like we are mandated to pay for auto insurance now? Or would we rather have the option of CHOICE -- to be able to decide whether or not we want to buy our medical coverage when we think the time is right?
Barack Obama's plan thoughtfully does not want to put another mandated cost, like auto insurance, on the backs of the people, especially the young, who already have college costs to contend with. However, the coverage is always there for you, if and when you need it. That is our decision and our choice!
come on people! This is why our system is overburden and costly. because it is out of reach for the everyday american to buy medical insurance out of pocket. So if given a choice most people would still be uninsured and those who do have coverage would be paying higher rates like now to cover the costs of those who don't. If everyone was to pay a portion the playing field of good health care could be affored to everyone not just the few. Let's be honest with ourselves and understand this is a country that is so selfish to help someone is usually just a feel good speach. Let's put it to practice. Vote for who you want to just remember if you talk the talk you must walk the walk.
I think Obama came out on top. Clinton, as usual, seemed to calculating. she answered questions with wordy slabs from her stump speech. We know about the 35 years! I still don't understand how she'd pay for her healcare plan, and considering her past in that area I'd be leery of giving her another pass at it.
Obama is far less polished in these debates, but I get a sense of the way he thinks. His answers seem more thoughtfull with room for discussion. Her's seem focus grouped.
That's a pretty accurate observation, Caligula. As a matter of fact, if he is given the nod and becomes the Dem candidate, it'll likely work well for him - the slower, more deliberative style of speaking. When people strive for that ultra smooth veneer in their style, when they get ruffled people notice it more by its contrast. If Barack keeps his cool and takes his time, it'll prove valuable to him when the Republicans try their usual, ugly shit in one on one debates.
Comparing Obama with Senator Clinton is like reading a comic book vs an encyclopedia! Know what I mean? It was a great night for Senator Clinton.
Hillary's parents are Osama Bin Laden and Nancy Pelosy.
Go Barack
Why are the majority of Barack's supporters so rude, nasty and immature? Maybe because they are spoiled brats with an entitlement attitude. I hope you get a good smack-down in this election.
GO HILLARY!
All I can say is that after Edwards has dropped out and Obama's views on gays in this country(I am one of them) my vote in the Washington State primary is going to Clinton. I earlier opposed her and favored Obama but that has changed...
Dear Mrs. Clinton,
I don't think I want health insurance to be mandatory, thanks anyway. And why can't you admit the mistake you made giving Mr. Bush the authority to go to war? Edwards admitted he was wrong, why can't you? I also want you to know how much it worries me that you're taking money from lobbyists. What favors will you owe them if you get elected?
Sincerely,
A Voter
Here's a tragic, and coincidentally devestating (if true) chain of events:
I buy a Vilsack 08' sticker last winter, within days he drops out.
I buy a Kucinich (to replace my 2004 sticker that was wearing off) bumper sticker, and a yard sign...the next day, he drops out.
Finally, I pick up an Edwards yard sign and make plans to canvass for him in the Lou (st. louis), and...oops, he drops out. (a day later)...
Goddammit! I am single handedly responsible for the Democratic ticket running down to two souls!
Who should I buy from next? Maybe someone I don't like...which candidate is most unlike the three mentioned above?
I may just take a trip to the Hillary store after this post...
--Also, I have yet to recieve a single product (minus Vilsak) in the mail--
Good commentary. But I think the most significant aspect was that both candidates expressed clear and detailed facts on their views which was a tremendous contrast with the vague bullshit coming from all of the GOP candidates and most of the other democrats except Edwards and Dodd.
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