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Finally, McCain Repudiates Rev. Parsley, His Anti-Islam "Moral Compass"
Finally.
Once John McCain had resolved on Thursday to repudiate fundamentalist preacher John Hagee (who had called the Catholic Church "the great whore" and who had said Hitler was doing God's work during the Holocaust), the presumptive Republican presidential nominee went on a roll, and in the same news cycle he also rejected the endorsement of Reverend Rod Parsley, the megachurch pastor who had said it was the United States' historic mission to see the "false religion" of Islam "destroyed."
After issuing a statement dumping Hagee, McCain told the Associated Press that he also was now refusing Parsley's support: "I believe there is no place for that kind of dialogue in America, and I believe that even though he endorsed me, and I didn't endorse him, the fact is that I repudiate such talk, and I reject his endorsement." McCain and Parsley had campaigned together in February in Ohio, and at a rally McCain had hailed Parsley as "one of the truly great leaders in America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide."
Two weeks after that rally, on March 12, Mother Jones first reported that Parsley in a 2005 book, Silent No More, had essentially called upon Christians to wage a "war" against Islam with the aim of eradicating it. For that article and subsequent pieces, I called the McCain campaign for comment multiple times to ask if the Arizona senator would repudiate Parsley, who is a powerful political player in the critical state of Ohio. McCain's press office ducked each call.
On May 8, Mother Jones and Brave New Films posted a video showing Parsley railing against Islam "as an anti-Christ religion that intends, through violence, to conquer the world" and basically calling for its destruction. The video juxtaposed Parsley's extreme anti-Islam rhetoric with footage of McCain praising Parsley. And still McCain held on to his endorsement from Parsley.
But as the Hagee story expanded (with the disclosure of his Holocaust remark) and the Parsley story was picked up by mainstream media (MSNBC aired a chunk of the Mother Jones/Brave New Film video; Good Morning America aired an "exclusive" piece on Parsley that much resembled the Mother Jones' articles and video), McCain decided to throw both pastors overboard on the same day.
It's clear that McCain was hoping to avoid having to talk straight about Parsley. But as he was trying to extricate himself from the Hagee mess, the last thing McCain needed was another pastor problem. So he was quite efficient: he conducted one excommunication that covered two pastors. But it's worth remembering that McCain held on to Parsley for as long as he could and that he renounced him not because of his extreme anti-Islam rhetoric--which McCain was well aware of months ago--but only because Parsley had become extremely politically inconvenient.
UPDATE: On Friday night, Parsley issued a statement saying he would not withdraw his endorsement of McCain. Then on Saturday he did just that.
Faith in Jesus Christ has replaced physical lineage as the determining factor for identifying God's chosen people. There is neither Jew nor Greek...for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Flesh and blood can not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. "You must be born again."(Jn 3:3) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal 3:28-29) ( In Genesis, God promised that whosoever blesses Abraham and his seed, God would also bless. So, whosoever blesses Christians, God blesses. How much better can it get than that? Want a blessing? Then, do something to bless God's Chosen People, Abraham's seed: Christian believers in Jesus Christ!)
?"hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth?" (Acts 17:26). God is not a racist. Through faith in Christ Jesus, all who believe?Jew or Gentile?are made citizens of heavenly "Zion," the "Commonwealth of Israel." All believers comprise the "Israel of God." (See Eph. 2:11-22 and 4; and Gal. 6:14-16) Matthew 21:43, Jesus declared to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation(Gentile) bringing forth the fruits thereof." Based, then, strictly on the testimony of Jesus our Lord, we know for sure that Jews who reject Jesus?and almost all the Jews who live in the U.S.A. and who populate today's nation of Israel fall into this category?are not God's Chosen.
Pastor Jim:
You wrote:
". . . we know for sure that Jews who reject Jesus?and almost all the Jews who live in the U.S.A. and who populate today's nation of Israel fall into this category?are not God's Chosen. "
Most Jews do not reject that Jesus was a real person, even though many biblical historians do. What they most commonly reject is that he was God. Which means that out of the 8-billion people on planet earth, 6.8-billion agree with the 14-million Jews on that point. A small portion of well-read Hebrews consider Jesus to have been a religious sect leader, with some important, perhaps prophetic things to say, many of which have either been mistquoted or viewed out of context.
So I have a question for you Mr. Pastor. In numerous places in the Greek Scriptures, Jesus is quoted as saying:
" . . For it is written . . etc., etc,."
Now, whereas some of these quotes are completely unfamiliar to Old Testament readers, where then do these various references come from?
The answer to this question is the answer to your general misunderstanding about Mr. Jesus.
This is one Parsley got right! e.g.:
" Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn't, we will kill you."
Back to what Muslims are good at doing: "Domestic violence in Iraq is skyrocketing, female illiteracy rates are 10 times higher than they were in the 1980s, and in the past few months more than 40 women--and in two cases their children--have been murdered for defying dress codes." Mission Accomplished!
""If your family found out you were talking to a man online, that's not quite as bad as talking to him on the phone. With the phone, everyone can agree that is forbidden, because Islam forbids a stranger to hear your voice. Online he only sees your writing, so that's slightly more open to interpretation."
" jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings."
'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'
Two weeks ago, 17-year-old student Rand Abdel-Qader was beaten to death by her father after becoming infatuated with a British soldier in Basra. Abdel-Qader Ali is unrepentant - and police backed his actions. Inshallah!
"To Muslims in the heyday of Barbary piracy, there were, at least in principle, only two forces at play in the world: the Dar al-Islam, or House of Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, or House of War. The House of Islam meant Muslim governance and the unrivaled authority of the sharia, Islam's complex system of holy law. The House of War was simply everything that fell outside of the House of Islam ? that area of the globe not under Muslim authority, where the infidel ruled. For Muslims, these two houses were perpetually at war ? at least until mankind should finally embrace Allah and his teachings as revealed through his prophet, Mohammed."
A woman hitchhiking from Milan to Tel
Aviv dressed as a bride in order to promote world peace
was raped and strangled in Turkey. "Her travels were for
an artistic performance and to give a message of peace and
trust," said the artist's sister, "but not everyone
deserves trust."
"Ibrahim Mudeiris, the imam of the Ijlin Mosque in Gaza, told me not long ago. We spoke after Friday prayers. The street outside the mosque was crowded with angry young men who had been excited by Mudeiris's sermon, in which he identified Jews as "the sons of apes and pigs."
"In Basra, Iraq, a 17-year-old girl, Rand
Abdel-Qader, was stomped, suffocated, and stabbed to death
by her father, who accused her of having an affair with a
British soldier. Local police arrested the father but
released him without charge after two hours. "Not much can
be done when we have an honor-killing case," said police
sergeant Ali Jabbar. "You are in a Muslim society and
women should live under religious laws.""
ahem... o.k 'Honor Killing'... but just who are the terrorists?
" Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law ? another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing." Religion of Peace?
"To Muslims there are, at least in principle, only two forces at play in the world: the Dar al-Islam, or House of Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, or House of War. The House of Islam means Muslim governance and the unrivaled authority of the SHARIA, Islam's complex system of holy law. The House of War is simply everything that falls outside of the House of Islam ? that area of the globe not under Muslim authority, where the infidel rules. For Muslims, these two houses are perpetually at war ? at least until mankind should finally embrace Allah and his teachings as revealed through his prophet, Mohammed."
SAVE THE WEST
[from those 'warm cudly Muslims next door' ;-) ]
QED
The UN awarded the Jews 55% of the land of Palestine even though their current holdings totaled only about 6% and their population was only about 35% (608,000) of all the Palestinians (1,237,000). The plan also gave the most fertile lands to the Jews but the mountainous regions to the Arabs.
In their War Of Aggression Of 1948 the Jewish Fascists took additional Arab lands bringing their total holdings to about 75% of Palestine which they kept and never gave back.
Even though this additional land was illegally gained in violation of the Hague Regulations (1907) and the UN Charter (1945) which both included the basic legal principle that it is illegal to acquire territory by force, these new boundaries soon became the "official" boundaries of the new State of Israel.
Count Bernadotte on September 17 1948, the day before he was assassinated by the Jewish Stern Gang he submitted the following Report to the General Assembly of the UN entitled The Right of Repatriation:
? "No settlement can be just and complete if recognition is not accorded to the right of the Arab refugee to return to the home from which he has been dislodged. This should include assurance of adequate compensation for the property of those who may choose not to return. It will be an offence against the principles of elemental justice if these innocent victims of the conflict were denied the right of return to their homes while Jewish immigrants flow into Palestine." ?
The next day the Jewish Fascists assassinated this truly 'righteous Gentile!'
Faith in Jesus Christ has replaced physical lineage as the determining factor for identifying God's chosen people. There is neither Jew nor Greek...for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Flesh and blood can not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. "You must be born again."(Jn 3:3) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal 3:28-29) ( In Genesis, God promised that whosoever blesses Abraham and his seed, God would also bless. So, whosoever blesses Christians, God blesses. How much better can it get than that? Want a blessing? Then, do something to bless God's Chosen People, Abraham's seed: Christian believers in Jesus Christ!)
?"hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth?" (Acts 17:26). God is not a racist. Through faith in Christ Jesus, all who believe?Jew or Gentile?are made citizens of heavenly "Zion," the "Commonwealth of Israel." All believers comprise the "Israel of God." (See Eph. 2:11-22 and 4; and Gal. 6:14-16) Matthew 21:43, Jesus declared to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation(Gentile) bringing forth the fruits thereof." Based, then, strictly on the testimony of Jesus our Lord, we know for sure that Jews who reject Jesus?and almost all the Jews who live in the U.S.A. and who populate today's nation of Israel fall into this category?are not God's Chosen.
Pastor Jim:
You wrote:
". . . we know for sure that Jews who reject Jesus?and almost all the Jews who live in the U.S.A. and who populate today's nation of Israel fall into this category?are not God's Chosen. "
Most Jews do not reject that Jesus was a real person, even though many biblical historians do. What they most commonly reject is that he was God. Which means that out of the 8-billion people on planet earth, 6.8-billion agree with the 14-million Jews on that point. A small portion of well-read Hebrews consider Jesus to have been a religious sect leader, with some important, perhaps prophetic things to say, many of which have either been mistquoted or viewed out of context.
So I have a question for you Mr. Pastor. In numerous places in the Greek Scriptures, Jesus is quoted as saying:
" . . For it is written . . etc., etc,."
Now, whereas some of these quotes are completely unfamiliar to Old Testament readers, where then do these various references come from?
The answer to this question is the answer to your general misunderstanding about Mr. Jesus.
This is one Parsley got right! e.g.:
" Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn't, we will kill you."
Back to what Muslims are good at doing: "Domestic violence in Iraq is skyrocketing, female illiteracy rates are 10 times higher than they were in the 1980s, and in the past few months more than 40 women--and in two cases their children--have been murdered for defying dress codes." Mission Accomplished!
""If your family found out you were talking to a man online, that's not quite as bad as talking to him on the phone. With the phone, everyone can agree that is forbidden, because Islam forbids a stranger to hear your voice. Online he only sees your writing, so that's slightly more open to interpretation."
" jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings."
'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'
Two weeks ago, 17-year-old student Rand Abdel-Qader was beaten to death by her father after becoming infatuated with a British soldier in Basra. Abdel-Qader Ali is unrepentant - and police backed his actions. Inshallah!
"To Muslims in the heyday of Barbary piracy, there were, at least in principle, only two forces at play in the world: the Dar al-Islam, or House of Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, or House of War. The House of Islam meant Muslim governance and the unrivaled authority of the sharia, Islam's complex system of holy law. The House of War was simply everything that fell outside of the House of Islam ? that area of the globe not under Muslim authority, where the infidel ruled. For Muslims, these two houses were perpetually at war ? at least until mankind should finally embrace Allah and his teachings as revealed through his prophet, Mohammed."
A woman hitchhiking from Milan to Tel
Aviv dressed as a bride in order to promote world peace
was raped and strangled in Turkey. "Her travels were for
an artistic performance and to give a message of peace and
trust," said the artist's sister, "but not everyone
deserves trust."
"Ibrahim Mudeiris, the imam of the Ijlin Mosque in Gaza, told me not long ago. We spoke after Friday prayers. The street outside the mosque was crowded with angry young men who had been excited by Mudeiris's sermon, in which he identified Jews as "the sons of apes and pigs."
"In Basra, Iraq, a 17-year-old girl, Rand
Abdel-Qader, was stomped, suffocated, and stabbed to death
by her father, who accused her of having an affair with a
British soldier. Local police arrested the father but
released him without charge after two hours. "Not much can
be done when we have an honor-killing case," said police
sergeant Ali Jabbar. "You are in a Muslim society and
women should live under religious laws.""
ahem... o.k 'Honor Killing'... but just who are the terrorists?
" Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law ? another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing." Religion of Peace?
"To Muslims there are, at least in principle, only two forces at play in the world: the Dar al-Islam, or House of Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, or House of War. The House of Islam means Muslim governance and the unrivaled authority of the SHARIA, Islam's complex system of holy law. The House of War is simply everything that falls outside of the House of Islam ? that area of the globe not under Muslim authority, where the infidel rules. For Muslims, these two houses are perpetually at war ? at least until mankind should finally embrace Allah and his teachings as revealed through his prophet, Mohammed."
SAVE THE WEST
[from those 'warm cudly Muslims next door' ;-) ]
QED
The UN awarded the Jews 55% of the land of Palestine even though their current holdings totaled only about 6% and their population was only about 35% (608,000) of all the Palestinians (1,237,000). The plan also gave the most fertile lands to the Jews but the mountainous regions to the Arabs.
In their War Of Aggression Of 1948 the Jewish Fascists took additional Arab lands bringing their total holdings to about 75% of Palestine which they kept and never gave back.
Even though this additional land was illegally gained in violation of the Hague Regulations (1907) and the UN Charter (1945) which both included the basic legal principle that it is illegal to acquire territory by force, these new boundaries soon became the "official" boundaries of the new State of Israel.
Count Bernadotte on September 17 1948, the day before he was assassinated by the Jewish Stern Gang he submitted the following Report to the General Assembly of the UN entitled The Right of Repatriation:
? "No settlement can be just and complete if recognition is not accorded to the right of the Arab refugee to return to the home from which he has been dislodged. This should include assurance of adequate compensation for the property of those who may choose not to return. It will be an offence against the principles of elemental justice if these innocent victims of the conflict were denied the right of return to their homes while Jewish immigrants flow into Palestine." ?
The next day the Jewish Fascists assassinated this truly 'righteous Gentile!'
Depending on the chatter that passes beneath the mass media radar, this may end up with McCain keeping this base, and not paying any electoral penalty for having either accepted or repudiated it.
did I hear the preacher say that americans are made for war.
well he got that part right if he did say it.
isnt it odd that the very people that profess to be followers of jesus are the worst of the war mongers.
does not say much for religion or christianty.
and I am no atheist but will not join a religion. the organized part destroys it.
and to think these nut cakes and their followers get one vote like a sane person.
now I know why george jr got elected in ohio and the south.
Islam is a belief of hate. I wish it was never created by that mad dog Muhammad.It was his way of getting power over the people. It takes a moron to believe it. I believe that in paradise the 100 virgins he was talking about are goats or sheep because that is the only things that would let the scrum have sex with them.
Ms. Wendle Holmes:
I see extreme hatred and ignorance in your short note. Please take the time to know the Muslims next door and find out that Islam is not what you have been led to believe. Good luck.
"It was his way of getting power over the people."
That's what religion is; all religion. And I'd have to say that the majority of what I see and hear coming from "Christian" leaders indicates that Christianity is also a belief of hate.
I agree with researcher; I gave up on the church long ago when I realized that religious people are the biggest hypocrites. The crap I see coming from supposedly Christian leaders is so far from what I learned as the teachings of Christ that, as I see it, religion = hate of anyone who doesn't have the same beliefs.
The world would be a far better world without religion.
First off, it's 72 virgins, and I'm sure they would be within our species, as bestiality is forbidden in Islam, as in most religions.
Second, it's "scum", unless you're talking about rugby-loving livestock, which would be extraordinary.
Thirdly, Christianity was once a "religion of hate" and still is, in many ways. The same can be said of Judaism, Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism), or virtually any faith except Buddhism, Ba'hai or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
If you're going to exhibit bigotry and ignorance, at least TRY to present it more intelligently, though I doubt that's possible with such bilious beliefs.
These Christian Zionists are crazy. 3/28/01 Nelson Mandela Nobel Peace Prize letter: "If you follow the polls in Israel for the last 30 or 40 years, you clearly find a vulgar racism that includes a third of the population who openly declare themselves to be racist. This racism is of the nature of "I hate Arabs" and "I wish Arabs would be dead". If you also follow the judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 occupied territories you will find there are already two judicial systems in operation that represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two different approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is not recognized as private property because it can be confiscated. Palestinians are not struggling for a "state" but for freedom, liberation and equality, just like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa. Israel's racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children." Nobel Peace Prize winner, Jimmy Carter agrees.
David,
Excellent work! Dogged persistence pays off sometimes. You're probably right that McCain jettisoned the rev due to political inconvenience, rather than any real clash of core beliefs.
What I hope from this episode is that some people will have seen the light regarding the inappropriateness of this sort of blatant, unfocused, illogical hatred in our political sphere... hatred that seeks to paint millions of people from diverse communities and belief systems as some monolythic "enemy." Gawd, Parsley's an idiot!
I guess I should say "billions" not "millions"
My hope is that religious extremists will have an ever-diminished role in shaping candidacy. Between Wright, Hagee and Parsley, we're seeing a rejection of radical Christianity canoodling with politics - very against the grain of recent years. Let's hope that with a little complaining from voters, we can keep that stone rolling down hill. That means each of us calling one of our politicians and saying something like, "I was pleased to see Senator McCain reject Christiano-Fascism this week - I hope to see you do so at every opportunity in your office, as well."
I am pleased to see that the news media have found the religious nutballs under their rock and are putting their ideas in print where it is shown to be the bigoted hypocracy that it is..
I'd pick Rev. Parsley and John Hagee before sell out McCain any day of the week.
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life.
Hillary Clinton's United Methodist Church reaffirms opposition to Israeli occupation at General Conference and overwhelmingly affirms divestment as an option for pressuring for an end to Israel's occupation . It also creates a task force to set human rights criteria for church investments/divestment in the Middle East and begins direct corporate engagement with Caterpillar, Inc to discuss role in the Palestinian Occupied Territories.
In Stockton, McCain said he did not think the comparison(Pastor Wright/Obama) was fair. "I've never been in Pastor Hagee's church or Pastor Parsley's church. I didn't attend their church for 20 years, and I'm not a member of their church. I received their endorsement, which did not mean that I endorsed their views."
Good on Mojo for putting this story out there. Nice to see that some media are still accomplishing what the freedom of the press was intended to accomplish.
Please follow the story of McCains Pastor Rod Parsley. Telling the AP, that there is no place for that kind of dialog in America and he repudiates such talk, just doesn't answer all questions. Please try to get an interview and ask the following questions:
Do you believe, that Islam intents to conquer the world through violence?
Is it Americas goal to destroy Islam?
Do you believe, that Muhammad received revelations from daemon spirits?
Is America a bastion against Islam in the world?
Is Islam an enemy of our civilization?
All of those question are really important. Nobody should have any doubts where McCain stands on those issues.
A bit late, but at least he did it. Perhaps it is one more step in the demise of the religious grip on US politics. In any case it is a good thing, whatever else you might think of McCain's merits. Government by superstition cannot be a good thing, whatever the superstitions are.
Raphael, as long as the Jewish Fascists contribute money to the politicians, America will do what is best for Israel and that is to attack Iran. The Neocon Jewish Fascists attacked Iraq, now it is Iran, until Israel has no more enemies.
No matter how the conversation starts, it inevitibly becomes about Jews and their eternal guilt.
'''How do you know she's a witch?'''
'''She turned me into a nute'''
'''but you're not a nute!'''
''. . . Well . . .I got better . . .'''
If the 0.4% of the world's population who are Jewish could actually control the other 99.6% (as accused), why would they need Israel? The people who make such accusations may be stupid, but they can't possibly be as stupid as the accusations they make.
I'm Muslim. And thank you for highlighting the fact that McCain still doesn't give a damn what these anti-Christ Christians say about Islam. It's open season on Islam and Muslims. In my religion, Christ and Muhammad are like brothers. Muslims have the utmost respect and reverence for Jesus.
Sophie,the terrible fact is that over 700,000 Palestinians were made into refugees to make room for the future state of Israel. Sixty years and several generations later, that number has swelled to an estimated 7 million. Many live in 58 registered refugee camps dispersed throughout the Middle East, and some 4 million Palestinians in the Occupied Territories continue to endure reprehensible collective punishment to this day.
That is why the creation of the state of Israel, an occasion marking great celebrations for many Jews throughout the world, is known as the Nakba, or the Catastrophe to Palestinians.
And that is why many of us will not be celebrating, for as long as Palestinians are still fighting for their fundamental human rights, we can not rejoice.
Rev Jesse Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton, 2 of the biggest anti Jewish Reverends in the USA and they get a free ride from Mother Jones. Why???Because they are Democrats and any left wing group that goes after either Jackson or Sharpton would cost the Democrat Party Votes? Sharpton and Jackson have been spreading hate against the Jewish Community for many years longer than Hagee. Let's see Obama turn down the endorsements he has gotten from Rev Jackson and Rev Sharpton because they are so anti Jewish. I do not think any day soon that Obama will repudiate the endorsements those two Jewish hate mechines. And why not?
Good Parsley is gone to. McCain if nothing else should be sensitive to Obama's Muslim background, 1/2 of Obama's relatives are Muslim, and renounce Parsley's endorsement, which he did.
Now it is Obama's turn to show some sensitivity towards McCain.
Jane (I killed 2 Viet POW's) Fonda, recently endorsed Obama and Obama has said nothing about that endorsement. McCain was a Viet POW and was in the same jail, known as the Hanoi Hilton", that Jane Fonda made her infamous visit during the Viet War. It was Jane Fonda's well documented treasonous act that caused the death of 3 Viet POW's interned at the Hanoi Hilton.
Obama should show the same sensitivity that McCain showed Obama when McCain repudiated the endorsement of Parsley, and should therefore Obama should repudiate the Jane Fonda endorsement.
Sophie:
You wrote:
' . . . Christ and Muhammad are like brothers . . ."
The Qur~an says that Christ is not God (which I beleive but 1.2 billion Christians disbelieve) and moreover, that Mr. Mohammed was the last and final prophet, after which the holy books of the entire world would be sealed for all time, a premise that only Muslims believe.
Sarah:
You wrote " . . . over 700,000 Palestinians were made into refugees to make room for the future state of Israel."
This point has always been dabated, not on the numbers but the circumstances. A legitimate "refugee" has a specific definition under International Law. While they may qualify, this point has never been a "given", nor has it ever been adjudicated.
The concept of an independant Jewish nation was envisioned as a homeland for all the various Jews of the Middle East, not just the ones then living in Palestine. So that is probably why the hundreds of thousands of Mid Eastern Jews who fled their homes in and around 1948 are not equally considered as "refugees". But the fact is that in the literally dozens of examples of National Independance which took place throughout the 20th century, ethnic populations always trade places. In that respect, Israeli independance was really no different then countless other such events.
You wrote:
"And that is why many of us will not be celebrating, for as long as Palestinians are still fighting for their fundamental human rights, we can not rejoice."
You need not rejoice. It would however be nice if you used factual information and equitible common sense in your conclusions.
The 7-million Palestinian-Arabs you reference (in 58 "registered refugee camps" are being denied their basic human rights by the countries where most all of them were born. Until you realize where the true crimes are occuring, you will be under the misunderstanding that Jews (worldwide) bear eternal responciblity. These camps you reference may be "registered" but that is part of the crime because never before in historry have "refugees" been permitted to pass their nationless status down to successive generations. That is the core-crime whereby all these other 'catastrophes' or 'Nakbas' flow.
Well put Aziz. It's funny how someone who reads their news from this website would have such an ignorant opinion. I guess it is really not that surprising though due to the billions of dollars the US media has spent since the late 1980's defaming the Muslim religion. These fake Christians that plague the United States these days seem to be ignorant to the fact that Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Koran. The small 5-10% of these Islamists (I believe that is an accurate term refering to the Islamic fundamentalists, if not, no harm intended) are the violent war wagers. For Parsley to call the religion of Islam an anti-Christ religion could be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard in my life. Whoever said ignorance is bliss was just avoiding the inevitable.
@robertokane. 1) Can you list the anti-Jewish sentiments or statements made by the Revs. Jackson or Sharpton? I am not doubting what you are saying, I simply have never heard anyone say that about these two. Also, is there a difference between actively seeking someone's endorsement for votes, and having people endorse or say positive things about you because they like you and your position?
Faith in Jesus Christ has replaced physical lineage as the determining factor for identifying God's chosen people. There is neither Jew nor Greek...for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Flesh and blood can not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. "You must be born again."(Jn 3:3) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal 3:28-29) ( In Genesis, God promised that whosoever blesses Abraham and his seed, God would also bless. So, whosoever blesses Christians, God blesses. How much better can it get than that? Want a blessing? Then, do something to bless God's Chosen People, Abraham's seed: Christian believers in Jesus Christ!)
"hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth " (Acts 17:26). God is not a racist. Through faith in Christ Jesus, all who believeJew or Gentileare made citizens of heavenly "Zion," the "Commonwealth of Israel." All believers comprise the "Israel of God." (See Eph. 2:11-22 and 4; and Gal. 6:14-16) Matthew 21:43, Jesus declared to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation(Gentile) bringing forth the fruits thereof." Based, then, strictly on the testimony of Jesus our Lord, we know for sure that Jews who reject Jesusand almost all the Jews who live in the U.S.A. and who populate today's nation of Israel fall into this categoryare not God's Chosen.
Pastor Jim:
You wrote:
". . . we know for sure that Jews who reject Jesusand almost all the Jews who live in the U.S.A. and who populate today's nation of Israel fall into this categoryare not God's Chosen. "
Most Jews do not reject that Jesus was a real person, even though many biblical historians do. What they most commonly reject is that he was God. Which means that out of the 8-billion people on planet earth, 6.8-billion agree with the 14-million Jews on that point. A small portion of well-read Hebrews consider Jesus to have been a religious sect leader, with some important, perhaps prophetic things to say, many of which have either been mistquoted or viewed out of context.
So I have a question for you Mr. Pastor. In numerous places in the Greek Scriptures, Jesus is quoted as saying:
" . . For it is written . . etc., etc,."
Now, whereas some of these quotes are completely unfamiliar to Old Testament readers, where then do these various references come from?
The answer to this question is the answer to your general misunderstanding about Mr. Jesus.
Tanisha R:
Rev. Jackson stated on British television that "Israel is the cause of all the problems in the Middle East."
I for one consider that statement anti-Semitic because:
a) Its untrue
b) It breaks Prof. Lewis' rule-of-thumb on the subject, namely, when a person only sees injustices committed by Jews against Arabs but refuses to acknoledge injustices (many worse) done by others, even those done by Arabs against other Arabs.
To listen to some of these people, one would get the notion that if not for Israel, everything would be 'dunkey-horey' in the Mid East. Rediculous.
This is one Parsley got right! e.g.:
" Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn't, we will kill you."
Back to what Muslims are good at doing: "Domestic violence in Iraq is skyrocketing, female illiteracy rates are 10 times higher than they were in the 1980s, and in the past few months more than 40 women--and in two cases their children--have been murdered for defying dress codes." Mission Accomplished!
""If your family found out you were talking to a man online, that's not quite as bad as talking to him on the phone. With the phone, everyone can agree that is forbidden, because Islam forbids a stranger to hear your voice. Online he only sees your writing, so that's slightly more open to interpretation."
" jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings."
'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'
Two weeks ago, 17-year-old student Rand Abdel-Qader was beaten to death by her father after becoming infatuated with a British soldier in Basra. Abdel-Qader Ali is unrepentant - and police backed his actions. Inshallah!
"To Muslims in the heyday of Barbary piracy, there were, at least in principle, only two forces at play in the world: the Dar al-Islam, or House of Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, or House of War. The House of Islam meant Muslim governance and the unrivaled authority of the sharia, Islam's complex system of holy law. The House of War was simply everything that fell outside of the House of Islam that area of the globe not under Muslim authority, where the infidel ruled. For Muslims, these two houses were perpetually at war at least until mankind should finally embrace Allah and his teachings as revealed through his prophet, Mohammed."
A woman hitchhiking from Milan to Tel
Aviv dressed as a bride in order to promote world peace
was raped and strangled in Turkey. "Her travels were for
an artistic performance and to give a message of peace and
trust," said the artist's sister, "but not everyone
deserves trust."
"Ibrahim Mudeiris, the imam of the Ijlin Mosque in Gaza, told me not long ago. We spoke after Friday prayers. The street outside the mosque was crowded with angry young men who had been excited by Mudeiris's sermon, in which he identified Jews as "the sons of apes and pigs."
"In Basra, Iraq, a 17-year-old girl, Rand
Abdel-Qader, was stomped, suffocated, and stabbed to death
by her father, who accused her of having an affair with a
British soldier. Local police arrested the father but
released him without charge after two hours. "Not much can
be done when we have an honor-killing case," said police
sergeant Ali Jabbar. "You are in a Muslim society and
women should live under religious laws.""
ahem... o.k 'Honor Killing'... but just who are the terrorists?
" Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing." Religion of Peace?
"To Muslims there are, at least in principle, only two forces at play in the world: the Dar al-Islam, or House of Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, or House of War. The House of Islam means Muslim governance and the unrivaled authority of the SHARIA, Islam's complex system of holy law. The House of War is simply everything that falls outside of the House of Islam that area of the globe not under Muslim authority, where the infidel rules. For Muslims, these two houses are perpetually at war at least until mankind should finally embrace Allah and his teachings as revealed through his prophet, Mohammed."
SAVE THE WEST
[from those 'warm cudly Muslims next door' ;-) ]
QED
Millions of Christians have been incensed in the last several days over public burning of New Testaments in Israel. Hundreds of New Testaments were distributed by Messianic (Christian) Jews in the predominantly Jewish Orthodox town of Or Yehuda. But the town's mayor, Uzi Aharon, had Jewish religious students gather the New Testaments and burn most of them next to a synagogue.
Re: Bible burning:
"Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's spokesman Mark Regev condemned what he called "this despicable act" and said police should thoroughly investigate the incident.
"Israel is a country in which freedom of religion is one of our highest principles," Regev told Cybercast News Service. Jews should always remember whose books were burned in the past, he said.""
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200805/C...
We should also not forget who's PEOPLE were burned in the past 2 centuries.
But aside from that, and given that such acts are offensive, these handfuls of Hebrew radicals have succeeded in damaging only some paper, some ink and their own reputations. God remains uninjured by such events.Nonetheless, what is far more interesting is how many people wish to turn this isolated event into still another blanket condemnation against world Jewry.
The UN awarded the Jews 55% of the land of Palestine even though their current holdings totaled only about 6% and their population was only about 35% (608,000) of all the Palestinians (1,237,000). The plan also gave the most fertile lands to the Jews but the mountainous regions to the Arabs.
In their War Of Aggression Of 1948 the Jewish Fascists took additional Arab lands bringing their total holdings to about 75% of Palestine which they kept and never gave back.
Even though this additional land was illegally gained in violation of the Hague Regulations (1907) and the UN Charter (1945) which both included the basic legal principle that it is illegal to acquire territory by force, these new boundaries soon became the "official" boundaries of the new State of Israel.
Count Bernadotte on September 17 1948, the day before he was assassinated by the Jewish Stern Gang he submitted the following Report to the General Assembly of the UN entitled The Right of Repatriation:
"No settlement can be just and complete if recognition is not accorded to the right of the Arab refugee to return to the home from which he has been dislodged. This should include assurance of adequate compensation for the property of those who may choose not to return. It will be an offence against the principles of elemental justice if these innocent victims of the conflict were denied the right of return to their homes while Jewish immigrants flow into Palestine."
The next day the Jewish Fascists assassinated this truly 'righteous Gentile!'
The United States practiced hard Slavery for over 150 years; black citizens were dealt with like animals. The United States wiped out millions of American Indian Natives in cold blood, confiscated their land and uprooted them. In the War of Philippine at the turn of the 20th Century; American atrocity reached unprecedented level of savagery; women and children were massacred, prisoners were shot and villages were ransacked. Over 200,000 Pilipino civilians in all were murdered. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are very well known American legacy. We left two million dead behind in our 20 year war in Vietnam, mostly civilians. American Women did not vote until 1920 and our black citizens were prevented from voting in many states until 1957.
Superficial and ignorant observers, such as Wendle Holmes, when examining this bloody history of ours from this narrow angle only, may call us a terrorist nation. He may view our constitution as an aberration and our founding fathers as hypocrites.
The crusaders war waged by the Christian Church of Europe Dark Ages left thousands of victims behind. Churches were built over conquered synagogues and mosques. Non-Christians were set on fire alive (Purification). Occupied cities were ransacked and completely destroyed in the Middle East. The streets of Jerusalem were running red for days from the blood of the slaughtered natives. All this was done with the blessing of the church.
A misinformed and shallow observer -whose knowledge and education has never gone beyond the fun of watching the "American Idol" and whose view of the world is solely derived from the O'Reilly Factor- may indicts Christianity and calls it names.
The Corporate-Controlled media has misinformed many Americans so badly, filled them with hate and distorted their views of the world. Wendle Holmes and those who think like him are the benign example of the badly misinformed; the malignant ones are those who occupy the White House.
Zack, why don't you leave if America is such a bad place? Why don't you try Israel?
Can you imagine America left with only people like you and Wendle Holmes as its sole occupants?
Sarah:
You are one of those people who are so mixed up that I have a hard time deciding where to start.
Firstly, the place knows as "Palestine" consisted of roughly 45,000 sq. miles and kept its identity in tact as "Palestine" for roughly 1,850 years, up until the early 1920's, when 4/5ths of it was granted to become what is today known as Jordan. It was NOT granted to Jordan by its legitimate title holder, Turkey but by a clever though diabolical slight-of-hand perpetrated by the British crown. After WW1, as part of the final settlement, Turkey granted independence to ALL of its ethnic subjects, including its Arab populations, its Armenian population, its Kurdish population and its Jewish population. The Jews were dispersed throughout the various Mid Eastern countries, mainly as result of the fact that it had been illegal for Jews to move into Palestine for the previous 400 years and all but a couple of hundred of the previous 1,850 years. So as of 1918, there was already no moral equivalency between Hebrews and Arabs because the Arabs had been permitted to move about freely.
Those Jews acquired by Jordan in their acquisition of 4/5ths of Palestine were specifically singled out and denied Jordanian citizenship, while the Christians and Muslims so acquired with the land were granted their citizenship.
The Armenians gained control of Armenia, even though there were Arabs living there.
The Arabs also gained control of over a dozen newly independent countries we today know as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria (Assyrians), United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Yemen and others.
The Kurds were denied independence, even though they (like the Jews) held legal title and deed, provided for in the Treaties of Versailles and San Marco.
BTW: I am in favor of full Kurdish independence for similar reasons as I generally (though not absolutely) support Israel. What are your feelings on this point?
The actual wording of these treaty documents say that a "Jewish National Homeland" shall be established in Palestine (which was then 45,000 sq. miles). This title was then made part of the charter of the League of Nations and while the USA was not a member of the League of Nations, Woodrow Wilson signed the same wording into U.S. law.
Since that time, much has been debated about this wording and its exact legal meaning: The zealot pro Israelis would have us believe that the Jews of the world thereafter held legal and legitimate title to ALL of then Palestine, which today includes Jordan. The pro Arabs (like yourself) merely skip over this entire issue, as no amount of wordsmithing could totally erase the legal meaning of the various treaties down to their desired ZERO.
So, thereafter, the Zionist movement became a liberation movement and its position was that proto-Israel was under foreign occupation.
This issue has never for one day been adjudicated.
Between the first and second World Wars, hundreds of thousands of Arabs relocated into the remaining portion of "Palestine". Concurrently, Jews were routinely denied immigration, which itself was a wrongful and illegal act, perpetrated by guess who again, the British. Whether proto-Israel was supposed to be 1/5th or 4/5ths of traditional Palestine, it had been reduced to zero-fifths.
Moreover, by the time 1947 came around, the rules governing nationality had been temporarily revised, to allow Arabs who had been in Palestine for as little as two years to claim citizenship. Plus, many of these Arab immigrants were "tenant farmers" and had no rights to the land they lived on anyway.
Thus, an Arab family who immigrated from Cairo to Jerusalem in 1945 and potentially in violation of the established numerical quotas, which quotas themselves were violative of the underlying Jewish rights to establish their "homeland"--were not only granted citizenship--and if they left and returned to Egypt were granted "refugee" status, but these people were given a waiver of established International Law that applied (and still applies to everyone else). Namely, they were permitted (in fact required) to pass their "refugee" status down (now) to the 4th generation thereafter.
This 'one-time-only special arrangement' not only violated Jewish rights but more so violated those Arab's own rights. This is because the International statutes regarding Refugees clearly state that legal refugees have two options. Either to return to the country of their nationality or to REMAIN where they are. The displaced Palestinian-Arabs have since been denied their legitimate right to remain.
Anyone who does not see the crime in that is more concerned with punishing Jews then in helping any Arabs. I think that means you Sarah.
I also reiterate from my earlier posting. The Jewish National Homeland was envisaged as a refuge for (at a minimum) all the Jews of the Mid East, not only those originating from the 1/5th of remaining Palestine--that you reference in your mainly stacked statistics. Therefore, the exact percentages of Jews found inside the 6,000 remaining sq. miles of Israel in 1948 is not dispositive of the controversy. It is irrelevant.
The United Nations was in no position to "award" the Jews land they already held title to, or to deny them either.
However, in an effort to end the Jewish bloodletting of the previous decade, the Zionist leaders agreed to accept the United Nations Partition plan. But this was NOT an agreement that the plan was fair or just, only that it would be acceptable as a condition of peace. However, peace was not offered by the Arabs and a fledgling Israel lost 1% of its total population in its war of independence. Thereafter, the Hebrews felt no obligation to accept the compromise borders. Had the roles been reversed, it is likely the victorious Arabs would have killed most if not all of its remaining Jewish population.
You leave out one other very important principle of International Treaty Law. If a nation is attacked across its borders and manages to repulse the attack, any land gained in the counter-attack can be claimed by the defending party. Nonetheless, all told, when Chairman Arafat stormed out of the peace negotiations of 2,000 and started the second 'Intafata', Israel had already returned most of the land it had acquired in 1967 and had offered to return a total of 95% of it to the various parties in controversy. Mr. Arafat also walked away from $30-billion in pledges from the international community. The deal-breaking point was the status of the millions of so-called "refugees" who Arafat insisted would become Israeli citizens. In so doing, he was NOT representing their best interests, nor was he representing the Best interests of the Arab-Israeli citizens--or the Palestinian-Arabs of the West Bank or Gaza. He was solely looking after the desires of the "host" nations who wanted rid of their Palestinians, even those about 90% of them never had set foot in any part of Palestine and had been born on the soil of the nations where they now resided.
The Arab-Israeli citizens did NOT need 5-6 million new inhabitants competing with them for scarce (decent) jobs and other resources. The West Bank and Gaza Arabs had the same problem, only worse because they hand no room whatsoever for new residents. Finally, the Arabs of Palestinian descent, living in these 58 internment camps you earlier referenced needed basic human rights where they were living. Plus, the $30-Billion would not have hurt too bad either.
BTW: The UNHCR had been politically blocked for decades, from relocating these nation less Arab populations into habitable quarters. Another crime against humanity that you seem not to notice.
As I also referenced earlier, literally dozens of other countries established their independence in the 20th century. Most had no legal backing to do so. The Jews had the Treaties ending WW1, plus the Charter of the League of Nations and the banking of the United Nations and still they remain the only one with a perpetual war on their borders.
In 1947 (for example), Pakistan succeeded from India and the USA and England backed Pakistan. Literally millions of Hindus packed up and crossed the border back into India and a similar number of Muslims went across the other direction. There was no U.N. mandate for this. There was no treaty of Versailles or San Remo--whereby India agreed to this (as Turkey had). So again I ask you, if today there were millions of Indian Hindus living nation-less as animals in 58 'refugee camps', who would the world blame for their condition? Pakistan? Me don't think so.
This is and has always been a war against the Jews. The fact that the Jews have not yet lost the war, against incredible odds, is what angers those from your political wing.
The video link in the article is broken.
Trollstein, your post has too many lies to respond to. Bottom line, you are a racist by European standards and should just be quiet. We are Green, we are neither left nor right, but out front leading, either get on board the bus or get out of our way. We have no room in the bus for racists(that includes Zionist and Fascists).
Frank:
You wrote:
" . . . by European standards and [you] should just be quiet."
Sadly for yourself, in the USA we have something known as:
"Freedom of Speech"
That's the freedom (FYI) which comes just before:
Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Religion.
My historical statements are accurate, with two corrections and a couple of misc. typos.
1. I stated 1,850 years (twice) when the correct number was 1,750 and
2. 'San Marco' should read:
'San Remo'.
Normally I would shred your bald accusations with web linkages, but this MJ site only allows one url link per post and besides, the readers of this forum are not particularly scholarly, with yourself as a textbook example. You offer no specific corrections, only blanket condemnations and insults. Others with limited knowledge--will likely revel in your statements. Those with at least a desire to be adequately informed, may find my postings helpful. You are not their police and have no right or business telling me to be quiet.
" . . too many lies to respond to."
Or, you have no clue what you are talking about.
" . . . get out of our way"
OK, I'll get out of your way, while you struggle to aquire 2% of the USA voters.
I think you're ignorant and stupid, and the only scum around her is you.
You'll pay for what you said in hell, so I'm not goin to waste my time over a dirt bag like you.