Mojo - September 2008

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Yes, Joe Biden's Helicopter Really Was "Forced Down" in Afghanistan

| Tue Sep. 23, 2008 2:31 PM PDT

One of the narratives the blogs are talking about this week is that Joe Biden is—gasp!—"gaffe-prone." Nevermind the fact that this has been the story about Biden for 30 years: now journalists are even finding gaffes where none exist. In a post on The Stump exploring Biden's unfortunate attack on his own campaign's ad, Michael Crowley claims that this Joe Biden anecdote is a "gaffe":

"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.

In an unsigned follow-up post on The Plank (accompanied by an awful Slate-style "gaffe meter"), someone claims that this quote "could teeter into Hillary-in-Bosnia territory." But what exactly is wrong or misleading or inaccurate about Biden's story? The Jake Tapper post Crowley links to is an admirably straightforward fact-check of the story—it turns out Biden's helicopter was forced down by a snowstorm. But did Biden say the helicopter was "forced down under fire" or even "shot at"? No. And Tapper points out that Biden went on, saying this:

[John McCain] says he'll follow [Al Qaeda] to the gates of hell. You don't have to go to hell. Just go to Pakistan. Just go to that area. That superhighway of terror that exists between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Biden's right on in the rest of the quote, too: As far as we know Al Qaeda and bin Laden are in what Biden calls, "That superhighway of terror that exists between Afghanistan and Pakistan."

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