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Abortion Doctor Murder Suspect Makes Further Threats from Jail (but Don't Call Him a Terrorist)
Excuse me, but is Scott Roeder, the man charged with killing Dr. George Tiller outside his church last Sunday, in jail, or on vacation at a Wichita hotel? In a call to the Associated Press over the weekend, the murder suspect complained about his living conditions and then warned of more violence against abortion providers. "I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal," Roeder said. When asked by the AP what he meant and if he was referring to another shooting, he refused to elaborate further.
In an understatement, Nancy Keenan president of NARAL-Pro-Choice America, said Roeder's comments "continue to escalate that kind of activity, that kind of violence." The Justice Department said it was investigating and has ordered increased protection for "appropriate people and facilities last week."
But as yet—and despite Roeder's threats—the crime is apparently being treated as an isolated incident of violence, rather than part of a deadly crusade with political aims—which in this day and age is what usually gets called terrorism.
The Wichita Eagle today reported today that the suspect would likely be charged with Tiller’s murder, as well as with aggravated assault (for threatening two churchgoers who tried to apprehend him). According to the paper, "Wichita police said it appeared that the suspect had acted alone but that they are investigating whether he had any connection to anti-abortion groups."
Whether he had any connections?
Within hours of Roeder’s arrest, it was clear that he was up to his neck in the radical wing of the anti-abortion movement, as well as involved with the far-right anti-government group the Freemen. On the night of the shooting the Kansas City Star’s Judy Thomas was already reporting that the suspect was labeled a "fanatic" even by some other right-to-lifers, and supported the idea of "justifiable homicide" to prevent abortions. He had made prison visits to the woman who shot and wounded Tiller in 1993, and wrote a Web post declaring, "Tiller is the concentration camp ‘Mengele’ of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation." He was also arrested in 1996 with weapons and bomb-making materials in his car (for which he received two years’ probation).
Perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising that Roeder would have an easy time of things in Wichita, which has long been a ground zero for anti-choice activists. In fact, the local law enforcement and justice systems seem to have made more effort to prosecute Tiller on trumped up charges than they did to protect him. As the Wichita Eagle reports:
Tiller and his clinic have faced continuous threats and legal action. A Wichita jury ruled in March that he was not guilty of illegal abortion on 19 criminal charges he faced for allegedly violating a state law requiring an independent second physician’s concurring opinion before performing late-term abortions. Immediately following the ruling in the criminal case, the Kansas Board of Healing Arts made public a similar complaint against Tiller that was originally filed in December 2008.
Protesters blockaded Tiller’s clinic during Operation Rescue’s "Summer of Mercy" protests during the summer of 1991, and Tiller was shot by Rachelle Shannon at his clinic in 1993. Tiller was wounded in both arms. Shannon remains in prison.
The clinic was bombed in June 1986 and was severely vandalized last month. His lawyer said wires to security cameras and outdoor lights were cut and that the vandals also cut through the roof and plugged the buildings’ downspouts. Rain poured through the roof and caused thousands of dollars of damage in the clinic. Tiller reportedly asked the FBI to investigate the incident.
It’s not clear whether the FBI took any action--but as yet, the Justice Department, too, has not dealt with Tiller’s murder as anything but a lone incident. On the day of the shooting, Attorney General Eric Holder called the murder "an abhorrent act of violence," and said he was sending U.S. Marshals to protect other abortion providers as a "precautionary measure." The very need to take such a measure would, again, suggest an organized, violent movement--but Holder has never used anything close to the T word, either.
I’ve often written before that both federal and state law enforcement tend to be circumspect when it comes to pursuing organized domestic far-right activity. Can you imagine what would happen if an Arab American had shot someone, after posting screeds on an Islamic extremist web site? The anti-abortion movement also gets a free pass compared with environmental or animal rights activists (or even Republican Convention protestors), as Will Potter notes on his excellent web site Green Is the New Red:
The FBI labels the animal rights and environmental movements as the "number one domestic terrorism threat" even though those activists have never harmed a human being. At the very worst, underground groups like the Animal Liberation Front and Earth Liberation Front have released animals from fur farms, destroyed SUVs and set fire to empty buildings.
When animal rights activists or environmental activists are arrested, though, the government immediately sends out press releases and holds press conferences trumpeting the arrest of "eco-terrorists" and "domestic terrorists."
In contrast, Roeder is being held in a local county jail, while the Army of God celebrates him as a hero, Operation Rescue once again scambles to distance itself from an act they helped inspire, and anti-choice Christian commentators piously decry the wicked deed in Wichita, but can’t pass up an opportunity to remind us that "abortion is murder" and "what goes on in those clinics is institutionalized homicide."
And while suspected Muslim terrorists are held in total isolation for years, without access to lawyers much less the press, Scott Roeder is taking advantage of his bully pulpit to promote his cause--and complain about the discomfort of his jail cell:
In two separate calls to AP on Sunday morning, Roeder was far more talkative about his treatment at the Sedgwick County jail, complaining about “deplorable conditions in solitary” where he was kept during his first three days there.
Sedgwick County Sheriff Robert Hinshaw said that Roeder is receiving appropriate medical treatment.
"It is after all a jail, but a modern state-of-the-art facility with professional staff," Hinshaw said. "While Mr. Roeder may not care for being in the Sedgwick County jail, all of our conditions and policies are designed to provide safety and security for all inmates, staff and public at large."
Roeder said it was freezing in his cell. "I started having a bad cough. I thought I was going to have pneumonia," he said.
He said he called AP because he wanted to emphasize the conditions in the jail so that in the future suspects would not have to endure the same conditions.
Roeder also said he wanted the public to know he has been denied phone privileges for the past two days, and needed his sleep apnea machine.
Now, contrast this treatment with that afforded Herman Wallace and Albert Woodfox, whom I’ve written about before. These two men have been held in solitary confinement in 6×9 cells for 37 years at Louisiana’s Angola state prison, and denied access to the press. There is evidence that they have been singled out for this treatment because nearly four decades ago they were active with the Black Panther Party.
But a man accused of first degree murder for killing a doctor in service of a political cause—something which has, of course, happened before—gets to use the phone (twice) to call the AP, complain that he’s cold and can’t sleep, and while he’s add it, warn of more murders? And the county sheriff’s response is to get defensive and say that their jail is really quite nice?
What is the matter with Kansas? And while we’re at it, what’s the matter with the Feds?
Postscript: Someone just put me on to a post by Jennifer Pozner on the Women in Media and News blog, that points out how complicit the media is in this double standard, writing about Tiller's murder "as if it were a completely unpredictable aberration," and asking why "the media have not called this terrorism--even after three decades of extreme violence by anti-abortion fanatics," which includes "seven murders, 17 attempted murders, three kidnappings, 152 assaults, 305 completed or attempted bombings and arsons"...and the list goes on.






























This is the most ridiclous
This is the most ridiclous argument for "pro-life" ever! Save the babies, kill the adults! Pro-life my bung hole! Dangerous, frightened, defensive little children running around in adults' clothing. Is there any wonder about the growing atheism in this country? Which, BTW, I think is a good thing. I don't see any atheists shooting pastors at baptisms.
Murder Anyway you look at it!
It doesn't matter who the killer is....State, doctor, or person with a gun, baseball bat, knife, or automobile. Done deliberately...it is called murder. There is one thing and that is about all, that I agree with the Catholic Church and some Republicans.... and that is that life begins at conception. We might have passed laws allowing for the murder of innocent life, but If there is a God in Heaven..then we as a nation that claims to be a Christian Nation will surely be judged more harshly than say an athiest country who does the same thing! We build our big churches and wear our fine clothes and show off to all those present and to Almighty God how much we love and honor him....In many ways we are a Nation of Fools. I guess that when it comes right down to the bottom line, when the rubber meets the road....and our Day of Judgement comes...we will deserve all of the fire and brimstone that the preachers of long ago said was waiting for us.
Life does NOT begin at conception
My body, my choice and you have absolutely no legal rights over my body at all. YOU are not any god who has a right to tell me what I can or cannot do to my own body. To think that you have any right makes you simply a control freak.
It's not about control. I
It's not about control. I know that life doesn't stat at conception. But it does start before birth. I can't answer when and it seems like nobody can, unless it backs up their position. But at some point, it is a baby. A baby with the right to make it to air. I don't know when that happens and neither do you. But no doubt at some point the babies right to make it must override everything else. Without a damn good reason, late term abortions are ill. And I admit that I don't know why they are performed. I don't think that personal reasons are good enough to perform this late-term.
@bill
Andrew Sullivan (a fiscally conservative, openly gay, devout Catholic anti abortion (at least third term) advocate) on his blog has posted very poignant letters from his readers regarding the third term abortions and Dr. Tiller. I held a similar position as Sullivan and apparently you, thinking of third term abortions as being absolutely vile but when you read some of these stories they will, if you have any humanity, shake you to your foundation. People tend to think of these in black and white terms, some woman making a flippant decision to end a pregnancy and a sick doctor willing to perform them. But to begin with they are quite rare and apparently most are made because of heart rending medical reasons. After reading these accounts it has forced me to rethink late term abortions, I cannot agree with them as an elective but see that for the most part those who get them are left with few good choices.
As an example:
" In August 1989, my then five-and-a half-month pregnant wife and I went in together for a routine sonogram at her OB's office. The sonogram showed that the fetus was anencephalic.
Immediately after the test we sat down with the OB in her office where she told us the reality of what we were facing. We scheduled a hospital visit for the next day. At the hospital they induced labor and the pregnancy was terminated. The baby was a little girl and she died during delivery. We were able to hold her for about an hour after the procedure. We named her and buried her.
It was a traumatic time and decision, but it was the right decision to make. How can you make a woman carry a baby to term when she know that the baby will die soon after it is delivered? Psychologically how much damage does that do to the mother and the family who cares for her?"
Another:
I know that you and many others do not approve of late-term abortions and those who perform them and I understand the reasons. However, there is one aspect of this moral dilemma which I have not seen addressed by you or the media: the fact that clinics like Dr. Tiller's can help SAVE the lives of unborn children. Here is my best friend's story...
My friend "Katie" is pro-choice, and her husband "Rob" (raised Catholic) always considered himself pro-life. They have two wonderful children, one of whom is a special needs child. With all of the complications of raising their autistic daughter they decided against having a third. But Mother Nature vetoed this decision and Katie became unexpectedly pregnant at the age of 39. Though unplanned, there was no question they would keep the child. So they initially decided against any invasive screening. However, due to her age and other factors, the doctors recommended extra testing. And sure enough, one of the tests came back with measurements that indicated chromosomal issues and/or heart deformities.
It was then that the reality of their situation sunk in. Rob started seriously thinking about what their situation might be if they had another child with even bigger medical issues and perhaps Down syndrome. So it was Rob who asked Katie whether they should get genetic testing. She agreed. In the meantime, Rob was experiencing ambivalence about the future and what the best choice might be. Time became a factor; Katie was starting to show and was bonding with the baby, whatever its condition. Rob, on the other hand, became more and more certain they couldn't handle another baby with severe health issues.
Katie and Rob started discussing the "what ifs". What if it had Down's - keep it or not? What if it didn't have Down's but major cardiac malformations - keep it or not? All this they had to think through in a short amount of time while they waited for the genetic test results. They still were in an "acceptable" window to terminate. Katie knew that if the fetus had any major issues, Rob wanted to abort. She, the "pro choice" one, was not so sure. Although the clock was ticking, they agreed to wait for the test results.
Finally, the genetic results were in. No Down's, but other signs still suggested major heart issues were likely. More specialists and testing to be done, but they would have to wait another few weeks, since the doctors had to see the heart performing on an ultrasound at a later stage of development.
It seemed like decision time. Rob wanted to terminate, Katie was unsure. They were in a bind -well into the second trimester at this point. Katie knew that if she waited any longer her OB/GYN would not be able to terminate. Katie was in anguish. I can't tell you how many times we talked that week about what to do. Katie was on the verge of siding with Rob and scheduling an abortion. She called up her OB about making an appointment. Instead, her doctor gave her another option which Katie thought was off the table: waiting until they knew for sure. If they still wanted to terminate, the OB knew a name of another doctor who would abort the child up until viability.
Although to Katie it seemed more ethical to terminate earlier rather than later, there was still a possibility that the fetus was generally okay. In her heart she knew she could live with a late abortion if the fetus would die eventually anyway, but she didn't know if she could live with the uncertainty of aborting a child which might have been healthy. So they agreed to wait.
After what seemed like a lifetime, they finally got the good news: a heart with no fatal malformations. It did have a minor defect, but it appeared operable without any long term complications. So they kept the pregnancy going. A few months later their daughter was born. After some surgery, she is now is a happy, healthy child.
Because Rob and Katie had the option of going to late-term abortionists like Tiller, they chose NOT to have an abortion. Without the ability to terminate after 18 weeks, they would have aborted much sooner, given the 90% chance of serious defects. But just knowing they had the option of waiting without limiting their choices allowed them to obtain the critical information. And that choice ended up saving their daughter.
He unfortunately hasn't collected these into one grouping so you'll have to scroll through his site to read them but do make the effort.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/
Your choice...
is to be able to have sex or not have sex, to use birth control or not use birth control. If you do not understand the potential consequences of those choices then you should not have sex until there is. I'm not saying this to be flippant but as a father of four invitro kids who I watched develop from 2 cells through to an infant I can guarantee you that what is within you after you conceive is life. It might not be viable, leave it on a shelf in a petri dish and it dies, but nurtured in the womb, it will develop into a human being.
So, as I said, your choices are pre conception. Post, well, you should certainly have a say but there are other actors involved. The father for instance. What say does he get? And the embryo, soon to be fetus, soon to be child within. I am sure if asked they would vote not to be killed/terminated/whatever.
Certainly it is your body and that should be considered but I always felt that the individuals choice was whether or not to do something that might lead to a pregnancy, after that it becomes a bit more tangled.
unless you utilized in vitro...
...than your not the only person involved, and I'm not referring to the embryo's "feelings". Whoever the father of the potential child is should have a say as well. It's your body, but the male played an equal part in conception. You can scream "ME ME MINE ME" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that men may have feelings about the child too, and while the woman's wellbeing and thoughts should be respected, she is not solely responsible for her pregnancy. Just as men have to respect women's choices, women must respect men's, or it's inequality.
If you were actually an empowered woman, you would avoid unwanted pregnancies. Accidents happen, condoms break, and that is why abortion is legal. But it shouldn't be seen as a symbol of female empowerment. If vacuuming fetuses from your uterus is empowering, maybe you need to invest more time into personal power and less into unprotected sex that can be remedied by an abortion.
That's your opinion, but
That's your opinion, but until it becomes legal, it doesn't matter. You're justifying, however indirectly, the actions of Roeder. What you're implicitly promoting is taking the law into one's own hands, but when you discard one law, what are the rest? There's a reason for law, and that's to preserve order. Technically, Roeder declared a state of war on any and all ob/gyns who do late-term abortions, and to preserve their existence, they ought to have a right to pursue him and others like him who threaten their livelihood. Fortunately, most people have respect for the law.
As far as brimstone, where was your god as six million Jews and many more gypsies and other minorities were murdered by Nazi Germany? Where was your god as peaceful East Timoorans were occupied, murdered, and raped by US armed Indonesian troops? Where was your god on 9/11? Where is he in Iraq? When was the last time you saw or heard of your god doing anything? ANYTHING.
Please get out of here with that mess and start thinking for yourself. We - humans - are alone here, and we assume the consequences of our own actions whether we want to or not. Roeder was a murderer and he deserves everything that people got in Abu Ghraib. He's an abhorrent little worm parading as a righteous soldier in service to his god, and yet he can't sit three nights as a prisoner of his own war when he ought to have been ready to die. Pathetic. The author of this article was being nice.
Clarence D. (not so) Smart
"..then we as a nation that claims to be a Christian Nation"
Unadulterated nonsense. Apparently you agree with the Catholic Church and the GOP on more than one thing.
Wow! All a hippie has to do
Wow! All a hippie has to do is put a spike in a tree so it can’t be cut down and that hippie is called an Eco-Terrorist. A Palestinian child throws a rock at an Israeli occupying soldier who just blew up their house and killed his parents to make room for a new Israeli settlements and that child is called a terrorist. However an extremist Christian group can start a war, kill innocent children, bomb buildings, and steal land in the name of god and be called Saviors. It’s funny how the people who are fighting for life are called terrorist and the people fighting for values are the righteous.
Double standard
So you leftists are all in an uproar over this incident and would deny Roeder his free speech. Yet you support a real murderous terrorist cop killer named Mumia who is given special treatment and allowed to publish his silly ideas at whim.
abortion doctor murder suspect
Maybe he can be waterboarded so the information obtained can prevent further attacks ? It's ok to do it to Muslims, so why not apply it to Christian zealots ?
Waterboarding for 100 please...
So someone commits an act of domestic terrorism (since the killing of Tiller was murder in an effort to invoke political change/terrorize other abortion providers, etc.) and he has alluded to a ticking time bomb type scenario wouldn't this warrant a little Jack Bauering him? Good enough for foreign terrorist, good enough for home grown ones too.
Thank you
Thank you for this piece and for quoting Will Potter's incredible blog!
Good article. By the way,
Good article. By the way, the US in not a Christian nation. It is a nation which allows for all religious beliefs as well as non-belief. Neither Jefferson and Franklin believed in the nonsense of our organized religions, but they knew we had to appease those that did. Adams believed in the Christian religion but recognized the horrors that religions have supported historically. Unfortunately, the "human condition," will never allow for anything but conflict no matter how much we pretend to "love." Life is all about consuming one another. All living things are forced to "eat" each other for survival. Even plants, with their photosynthesis, also require nutrients from the Earth. Those nutrients are the result of death (decayed organic matter). The only relion that avtually attempts to be kind is Jainism. This is a noble religion - probably the only one. Unfortunately, even it must fail. All you have to do is count the living microorganisms on and in your body the realize the death you cause when you take a shower. There will never be a kind world, but most religions seem to make it worse.
Imagine Roeder's surprise
a few moments after he dies in prison.
No clouds.
No Pearly Gates.
No Heavenly Host.
Just the incredible heat of fire and brimstone and forced servitude and unimaginable agony.
Forever and Ever.
Amen.
you guys keep killing each
you guys keep killing each other in the name of your imaginary friend in the sky. Pray some entity will save your dumb asses. MORONS.. NO GOD .. Your book was written by people who didnt know enough to cook the meat they ate, wipe their asses, or know the world was round. hahahahahahahaha
Its too bad there is not a
tagged as:- solution
Its too bad there is not a hell for this miserable whack job to go to.
Explaining to do?
Imagine Tiller right now explaining to the 60,000 aborted humans why they had to die! Except they, being innocent are in heaven so he must be communicating with them by long, very long, distance.
abortion?
I am against abortion but then too I am not a woman and I honestly don't know what I would do or be for if I were a woman. I believe that abortion is a woman's issue and that "ALL MEN" should get the hell out of the way and let women decide this issue among themselves. What I do know is that this idiot that killed this doctor is no hero, he is a cold blooded killer in the same mode as abdulhakim mohammed the idiot the killed the soldier at the enlistment center in Arkansas. Both of these killers "claimed to be doing God's work"! My advice to all women going to abortion clinics - "Take Your Gun With You" and defend yourself with deadly force if need be but don't let these sick ass so-call christians win.
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