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Corn on "Hardball": Michelle Obama Helping Health Care Reform?
On a day when the politerati focused on President Barack Obama's press conference (Iran, health care, Iran, health care, the economy, smoking, Iran), Chris Matthews, Richard Wolffe, and I went off-topic to discuss whether Michelle Obama can help her husband sell the health care bill now under construction in Congress. We then moved on to the "disappearance" of GOP South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford.
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Is She Crazy?
This is the woman, who, in her previous job, helped companies DUMP POOR PATIENTS. Here is just one reference... you can find the criticism from both sides.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/michelle_obamas_patientdumping_1....
Will the press question Cinderella on this? Doubtful. And, true to her fairytale views, she actually thinks preventive care will make it so we "don't need that much whatever from health insurance (mumble, mumble)". Really?
She's an idiot plain and simple. Cinderella, you and your husband really don't care who you dump, bomb, incarcerate, spy on, as long it is someone else's kids and parents. Shut up and go back into your pumpkin or go on a date, just shut up. We are suffering here you jerk of a person. You make me sick.
What?
Here we have an ivy league educated woman who made her own money and her own way. And your criticism is some "facts" from some site when what you should be worried about is getting your simple self some insurance. Focus on you, whoever you are -If you did that maybe you wouldn't have the time and energy to go online and hunt for BS about someone who is obviously way out of your league.
Nice Ad Hominem
Exactly what do you know about the previous poster, other than they went to the trouble to provide a link to show that what they said has some foundation, rather than being just a personal opinion based on vague perceptions of a public face?
Do you know anything at all about THEIR education and monetary success, or are you making assumptions, as you imply that Michelle is smarter than they, and therefore above any and all taint, while you advise the poster to follow the tide of the Reagan years and "Focus on you"? Apparently that's a prime focus for you, as you seem to think flowing with just such a tide raises Michelle O. above this person who dared to question her behavior.
BTW: It seems that at least one other poster thinks there's a genuine basis for the claim. Maybe you want to dispute the Chicago Sun-Times article on the subject, which stated:
Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities.
Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the prestigious hospital -- helped create the program...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691,CST-NWS-hosp23.artic...
Idea Recycling
I seem to recall a past president's wife "helping" with a "Fix Health Care" proposal.
After weeks and weeks of Secret Whitehouse Meetings with Congressional leadership, insurance companies, HMOs and who knows who else, "Hillary Care" came to much deserved ridicule, some observers characterized as "HMOs-For-All", and the American people didn't care for what came out, when they got a good, close look at it.
Here's hoping we get a good, close look at whatever is proposed as a "Solution" this time around, as we'll be paying for it and living with it. A package rushed through in secret, with the people who vote on it not even having a clue what's really contained in the details of the package scares the bejesus out of me.
(Unfortunately, that all too aptly describes "business as usual" in DC these days.)
Michelle helped dump poor kids at U of Chicago Hos
KDelphi--We need single payer like civilized countries.
Maybe someday we can have a president who cares more about the people than ambition.
so what?
I do not think that this video should be considered newsworthy at all. All that Michelle Obama is doing is reiterating the president's weakening stance on healthcare reform. With the pressure of lobbyist groups and big pharma, he has gone from promoting a public option to promoting the healthcare industry's agenda, with some token calls for wellness and preventative measures. The industry can make all of the promises that it wants to about cutting costs and promoting wellness but what it ultimately comes down to for you and me is that nothing is going to change without a complete overhaul of the system. When doctors and nurses who support a single-payer system are being denied a place at the discussion table, we have little hope of seeing the 'change we can believe in.'
"Single" Payer? Give the TAXPAYER Some credit!!
Why is it that proponents of TAXPAYER paid medical care always want to obscure the facts behind the misnomer "Single Payer"?
Are they afraid the public won't care to support such a plan if they have the fact firmly in their minds that what's being proposed is not a Single Payer, with the payer being the government, but more like an Every-Tax-Payer system, since the government itself takes all it's money in through taxation of one sort or another? They don't want all those potential "payers" being reminded of who'll be stuck with the bill at the end of the day? Best to keep their easily-duped little minds away from that thought?
Single Payer
I don't think anyone who advocates for single payer health care is misrepresenting where the money comes from. If it were possible to institute it immediately, it would cost a lot of tax dollars, but it would save people money too. If you pay $5,000.00 per year in health care premiums as many people do, that cost would go away. If your tax bill goes up by $4,000.00, it would be a HUGE tax increase, but you'd wind up a thousand bucks ahead all in all. Of course there are other issues about quality of care and patient choice. It's not a simple problem to resolve. But it's stupid to argue that simply because it will cost tax dollars, single payer doesn't make sense.
What you and many others are really talking about is paying more in than what you get out. That's what insurance is all about. Pooling money to spread the risk. If you are fortunate enough to have good health, you shouldn't begrudge the sick person decent, affordable care. When the day comes that you need expensive care, you'd better hope that your private insurance carrier doesn't find out ahead of time and look for some excuse to kick you out of the pool.
I'm not sure that single payer is the answer, but I am certain that universal coverage is critical to addressing the reaal problems.
Multi Payer
I don't think anyone who advocates for single payer health care is misrepresenting where the money comes from.
They're certainly not eager to talk about it.
Intentionally obscuring the underlying facts with a misnomer like "single payer", or purposely evading a discussion of the details is hardly better than misrepresenting the facts.
We should call it what it is.
But it's stupid to argue that simply because it will cost tax dollars, single payer doesn't make sense.
DID I argue that? Or are you making assumptions, assuming I would make such arguments, based on the fact that I commented negatively on the presentation common among Taxpayer Funded Health Care advocates?
What you and many others are really talking about is paying more in than what you get out.
And just where did I talk about any such? Assuming again, are we?
That's what insurance is all about. Pooling money to spread the risk.
No, actually, what INSURANCE is all about in every other usage of the term is buying a service to offset the cost of unexpected, catastrophic incidents. There's no "RISK" to "spread" when you're talking about covering ordianary, predictable expenses. You're just spreading the COST on to everyone, whether they willingly join the "pool" (willing participation, rather than coercion, being part and parcel of all true INSURANCE, and "pooled risk" plans).
You don't buy Homeowner's INSURANCE to cover the cost of a new roof, repainting your house, mowing the grass or any other common maintainence expenses.
You don't buy Auto INSURANCE to cover oil changes, new tires, bulb replacements, rusted body repair, tuneups or any other common maintainence expenses.
But those are accurate parallels to the sorts of services and expenses we seem to be discussing when the subject turns to health "insurance".
Using the term INSURANCE to describe a plan that's intended to pay for predictable, ordinary, run-of-the-mill expenses rather than unexpected, catastrophic occurances warps and obscures the traditional meaning of the very term INSURANCE.
I'm old enough to remember when most Americans paid the ordinary health care expenses out-of-pocket, just like we pay for oil changes or lawn mowing, and they carried what was correctly termed "Major Medical Insurance" to cover catastrophic illness. I'm also old enough to remember that the arrangement worked quite well, before insurance companies managed to sell the public on "maintainence" schemes they misrepresented as "Insurance Plans".
It's a shame we've forgotten all about something that used to work so well, and that we've allowed ourselves to be duped and deceived into thinking that ONLY The GOVERNMENT Can Solve The PROBLEM, and that somehow it's gotten to be one of their Constitutionally Enumerated Powers to:
A - determine what our medical care ought to entail
...and that
B - a Constitutional Mandate exists, alongside an Enumerated Power for them to provide us with same
...the contents and the meaning of the Constitution being another thing we've managed to forget.
Young enough to know that this country is totally different
KDelphi I wish we could go back to the days when a dr would take a pie to make a house call--we cannot.
20,000 (a short estimate) are dying every year. (millions become permanently disabled and, for you "tax-payer fans"--UNABLE TO WORK)That's alot more than the troops overseas. Thats' a whole lot more than are dying in the streets of Tehran.
Everyone pays for those unable to work, who often must impoverish themselves to qualify for Mediciaid, which is then privitized through HMOs, who make exhoritant profits!
If you wish to not die unecessarily, you want single payer. Otherwise, the time will come when the industry will make a decision about your life or their profit.
Guess which one they will choose.
Its not socialized medicine--its civilized medicine.
Blind Faith
If you wish to not die unecessarily, you want single payer.
One of the blind, unreasoning faithful, I see.
Your beloved Single (Every Tax) Payer plan will have the exact same people in charge of it as the Medicare you just roundly, and justifiably criticized.
What reason, other than blind faith, leads you to believe that you'll end up with something better than Medicare, rather than something equal to it, or even worse?
Otherwise, the time will come when the industry will make a decision about your life or their profit.
Guess which one they will choose.
As if the politicians won't make a decision about your life, or the business interests of their butt-buddies who funnel them millions of $$ to have their business interests protected.
Guess which one they will choose.
And being in charge of an all-powerful federal government, rather than a single company or an industry conglomerate, they can make their will legally binding on you. And they will.
Won't that be lovely?
Correction
"Medicare" should read "Medicaid"
Have you been treated in a country with civilized medical care?
KDelphi---I have--four of them.
You are either uneducated about the uS and other nations health care situations, or you are an insurance industry tool.
Nice Tactic
You are either uneducated about the uS and other nations health care situations, or you are an insurance industry tool.
Label, so that you can marginalize and dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with your views.
I don't agree with you, so I'm either not as educated (read: "not as bright") as you, or else I have an ulterior motive involving money.
Makes it a lot easier than addressing any questions I might have posed, such as why we should trust our Congress with our medical care, 'eh?
Since you brought it up...
Its not socialized medicine--
It is VERY MUCH socialized medicine.
You just don't like having the term applied to it, despite it's accuracy.
I am a Socialist--and never more proudly so
KDelphi So, no I dont mind the term at all.
It is people who have a sillly, 'Merkin "exceptionalism" Cold War mentality that prevent the US from progressing to Democratic Socialism.
I also worked within the medical system for many years.
You dont know what you are talking about. Trust me.
If you like your "heatlh care"--you wont very soon! Very soon, only people like Cheney will be able to afford a dr.
If everyone in the US had Medicare (which operates at 3% overhead, even with the massively enormous privitization scheme of Medicare 'Advantage", vs private industry's 40%) we would be a much more moral country. It would cost 1% of GDP.
Medicaid was INTENDED for the poor and disabled--it got terrible when they privitized it with HMO's and , everyone who couldnt qualify otherwise was slapped onto it.
it is unsustainable . You will see--sadly, too late.
If you are rich and dont care--go away.
More Blind Faith is what you're suggesting?
I am a Socialist--and never more proudly so, so no I dont mind the term at all.
Why, then, did you tell me that socialized medicine is not socialized medicine? What was the purpose of that statement, if not to remove the term "Socialized" from the debate?
Socialists don't seem to have much to crow about in Europe this month...
They took a pounding in the EU Parliament elections, so it seems that Europeans, who have much more experience with Socialist governments than we, aren't seeing them in a very favorable light.
You dont know what you are talking about. Trust me.
Riiiiiight....., those last two words so famously uttered by Tricky Dick...
I'd sooner trust the reactions of the Europeans, who've seen Socialism in action.
If you like your "heatlh care"--you wont very soon!
You're probably right there, because Congress and the President are about to "fix" it. Not in the way we were led to believe last fall, either.
President Obama's top political adviser declined yesterday to rule out the possibility that the White House would agree to a tax hike on health insurance plans that would hit middle-income Americans.
Speaking on ABC's "This Week," David Axelrod declined to repeat Obama's "firm pledge" during the campaign that families making under $250,000 would not see "any form of tax increase, not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
Instead, Axelrod said the president has no interest in "drawing lines in the sand" on the issue of how to pay for the costly health reform plan making its way through Congress.
"One of the problems we've had in this town is that people draw lines in the sand and they stop talking to each other. And you don't get anything done," Axelrod said. "That's not the way the president approaches this."
Should have considered that when he "drew lines in the sand" to get our votes.
If everyone in the US had Medicare (which operates at 3% overhead, even with the massively enormous privitization scheme of Medicare 'Advantage", vs private industry's 40%) we would be a much more moral country. It would cost 1% of GDP.
I guess that explains why so many of the nation's doctors are no longer taking medicare patients, saying that the reimbursement is less than the cost of delivering treatment.
http://www.physiciansfoundations.org/news/news_show.htm?doc_id=728872
"A more moral country" based on who's view of morality?
Myself, I tend to side with Gandhi, who said that any act done as of a result of coercion ceases to be moral. Nothing is more coercive than confiscatory taxation and participation in a system required by the government, therefore, it has no claim to Morality.
1% of GDP based on who's calculations? Advocates of the plan?
Consuming just under 10 percent of gross domestic product of most developed nations, health care can form an enormous part of a country's economy. In 2001, health care consumed 8.4 per cent of GDP across the OECD countries with the United States (13.9%), Switzerland (10.9%), and Germany (10.7%) being the top three.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Sweden
So, we're at 13.9% of GDP now..., but if we cut out 37% of the overhead (Not the TOTAL cost which would reduce us to 8.76%, but just the Overhead...) it'll drop to 1%? None of the countries you seek to model our system on are anywhere close to that figure. Sweden at 10.4%, Canada at 10.9%, France at 11.1%, Germany 10.7% in 2001, no doubt higher today, yet you want us to believe that in the USA, we'll magically pay only 1% of GDP? Voodoo Economics? And you tell me to "Trust You"?
Besides, do you REALLY Believe that ANY part of the Federal Government operates at 3% overhead? ...and here I thought The Baptists exhibited Blind Faith...
American Thinker: Michelle
American Thinker: Michelle Obama's Patient-Dumping Scheme
... a notorious program that dumped poor patients on community hospitals, yet the ... Care BS. on "Michelle Obama's Patient-Dumping Scheme" Recent Articles ...
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Michelle Malkin " Michelle Obama's patient-dumping scheme
Michelle Obama's patient-dumping scheme. By Michelle Malkin • March 3, ... steered patients who don't have private insurance — primarily poor, black people ...
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Michelle Malkin " The Obamacare horror story you won't hear
... of poor, minority patient-dumping in Chicago — with First Lady Michelle Obama's ... Michelle Obama: "Patient Dumping" While at University of Chicago ...
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Expose Obama " dumping poor patients
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Expose Obama
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Health Care BS - YES WE CAN ... DUMP POOR PATIENTS
DUMP POOR PATIENTS. It would appear that Michelle Obama and her husband's political cronies have ... So, now the poor patients are dumped on "neighborhood clinics. ...
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Michelle Obama's Patient-Dumping Scheme
Scheme By David Catron The First Lady helped create a notorious program that dumped poor patients on community hospitals yet the national media ignore the story. ...
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U. of C. shunning poor patients? :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: 44: Barack Obama
Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a ... are accusing the university of dumping patients on its neighboring institutions. ...
www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691,CST-NWS-hosp23.article - 81k
Michelle Obama's Patient-Dumping Scheme
... a notorious program that dumped poor patients on community hospitals, yet the ... Michelle and Barack made their money by selling out the poor, but surely there ...
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Sandra Rose - Michelle Obama Accused of Turning Away Poor Black Patients
... patient dumping schemes like Michelle's tend to fail because the patients don't ... to "Michelle Obama Accused of Turning Away Poor Black Patients" 1 ...
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All I did here was google "Michelle Obama dumping patients"... Its all over the web. These links were just page 1. There were plenty more. THIS IS WHAT INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE BROUGHT US TO. Apparently she only just resigned from this board position. She's a real sleaze it appears. It doesn't matter where the info comes from, just verify the sources.
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