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Keep Guantanamo Open?
Marty Lederman makes a good point here: Calls to shut down the military detention camp at Guantanamo are all well and good, but we want to make sure that if it ever does close that the prisoners won't get transferred to something even worse. Lederman suggests preserving Guantanamo, but actually bringing it under the rule of law and then transferring all the prisoners held in the CIA's "secret prisons" to Guantanamo. That would be better than the status quo, certainly, although Guantanamo is probably too notorious as a symbol of American human rights violations to stay open, period.
It also goes without saying that the Bush administration simply isn't going to bring its vast network of prisons under the rule of law anytime soon. One problem with the fact that the U.S. has been abusing a bunch of "suspects" in its custody is that, as Philip Carter argued, whatever evidence they may have offered up under torture is inadmissible in court. And that could make it harder to prosecute a number of terrorist suspects:
Evidence (such as a confession) gathered as a result of torturing a person like [alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik] Mohammed will be excluded at his trial, if he ever sees one. This is true both in federal courts, which operate under the Federal Rules of Evidence, and military courts, which operate under the Military Rules of Evidence. Both the Fifth Amendment's right against compulsory self-incrimination and the 14th Amendment's guarantee of due process preclude the use of a defendant's coerced statement against him in criminal court.So unless the federal government wants to face the possibility that Mohammed could be set free, it might have to keep him in some sort of extralegal detention center… well, forever. (Carter suggests that the Bush administration could still, potentially, bring al-Qaeda suspects before military tribunals and avoid this problem, but even that's not clear.)In addition, any evidence gathered because of information learned through torture (sometimes called "derivative evidence") will likely also be excluded. Furthermore, the Supreme Court suggested in its landmark Fifth Amendment case, Oregon v. Elstad, that it might exclude evidence gathered after the use of any coercion, regardless of attempts by police and prosecutors to offset the coercion with measures like a Miranda warning. If Mohammed were prosecuted, and a court followed the line of reasoning set forth in Elstad, he might well see the charges against him evaporate entirely for lack of evidence.
Posted by Bradford Plumer on 06/26/06 at 12:39 PM | E-mail | Print
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That's... a very good point.
Posted by: Brad Plumer on 06/26/06 at 1:32 PM
One would think that the real issue here is: Who cares if "bugs" get stepped on...
But the thing is: "Experience indictes that the use of force is a poor technique, as it yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants to hear," US Military Field Manual 34-52.
So..., what's the story? Why use torture when it doesn't even work?
According to the 2004 Schlesinger Commission report, "coercive interrogation methods used on prisoners at Guantanamo migrated to Afghanistan and Iraq, where they were neither limited nor safeguarded, and contributed to the widespread and systematic torture and abuse at US detention centers there."
"Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence. Any man who has once proclaimed violence as his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Funny?, how the War Crimes Act of 1996 (18 USC 2441) makes it a crime to torture, and the federal anti-torture statute (18 USC 2340A) makes it a crime for a US National to torture while outside the US.
So..., what's going on here? Simply put, WE'D BETTER WATCH OUT BECAUSE BUSH AND CO. ARE SOME REAL SICK SONS-OF-BITCHES WHO NEED TO BE LOCKED UP TILL HELL FREZZES OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Michael L. Wagner on 06/26/06 at 2:57 PM
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Jeez, Guy- you act as if the current Brownshirts added by the Bushistas to the Supremes would actually follow precedent! I'll bet you 5-4 you're wrong...hope I am.
Posted by: Pete Myer on 06/26/06 at 1:21 PM