That's pretty much what I blogged, too. What with this debacle, Edwards' candidacy announcement mistakes, and his religious wife's vicious tearing into Kerry, Heinz and Clinton, it has been one bungle after another. I don't understand all the excitement over Edwards, anyway; anyone whose last ACLU rating was a mere 60% is not exactly a liberal.

This just really shows what air-heads liberals are in the first place.Emotionalism over facts and logic every time.

Please, syzito, don't show your mental laziness with your warmed-over Rush Limbaugh dialectic of Emotional Liberals vs. Rational Conservatives. There is a reason why most highly-educated people are liberal-leaning. I'll take you in a brain wrestle any day, one lobe tied behind my back.

Right, we get no emotionalism from the likes of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Coulter. Just "facts and logic every time".

You should learn to think before you speak syzito; and get you r facts right.

By the simple fact that he obviously did not not thing out these choices he shows me that he is not near smart enough to be President.

In the long run it's probably for the better as far as I am concerned and as the above commenter noted, he is liberal like a fox, only this time it was more like a opossum.

Oh My, He's really human, and even makes mistakes, wow! He's not a real slick pro. We wouldn't want anyone in there that might rock the boat! What I would like is a mix of "Intelligent Socialism and Intelligent Conservatism". Haven't we had enough "Extremism" for a while? Or do we really want "Total Anarchy"? I don't think we are ready for anyone with a little common sense.

“The workhouses have no space left in which to pack the starving crowds who are craving every day and night at their doors for food and shelter. All the charitable institutions have exhausted their means in trying to raise supplies of food for the famishing residents of the garrets and cellars of London lanes and alleys. The quarters of the Salvation Army in various parts of London are nightly besieged by hosts of the unemployed and the hungry for whom neither shelter nor the means of sustenance can be provided.”
Justin McCarthy wrting for "The New York Independent" January 1903

Thing have not changed in 100 years even though we have 30 times the wealth we had then. That is 3% compound productivity growth for 104 years according to the Law of 72. 72/3=24, so productivity doubles every 24 years at 3%.

Diane? What is so left wing about wanting to eliminate poverty in a nation so productive and so rich? Even Charles Darwin rejected Herbert Spenser's idea that helping the poor would "fill the world with fools". For more details on the failure of social darwinism and how scientists cooked the books to prove the rich are genetically superior see: "The Mismeasure of Man" by Stephen Jay Gould.

Gould took time out to add a chapter to the new edition of "Mismeasure of Man" proving Charlie Murray's book "The Bell Curve" was a crock of pseudoscientific nonsense. Helping the poor and redistributing income is the only way to general prosperity.

"Diane? What is so left wing about wanting to eliminate poverty in a nation so productive and so rich?"

I think you have me confused with someone else. I never called Edwards left-wing--I said he was not left-wing.

Speaking of total anarchy, america is getting a bit closer to that everyday. And that may be the only way of stopping the repub Bushies before they destroy america and the world. Some anarchy may go a long way for 'we the people' to take back our gov't from the Big Three Pillars of Republicansim. Namely, the Big Corporatocracy, the Big/Powerful Neocons and Big religion that has completely taken over our, the peoples, america. All three groups are morally bankrupt and corrupt criminals who choose to use war, killing and military power to intimidate us and the world so they can take what they want. And yes, Big religion is buried up to it's nose in the slime of republican politics, continues to support the rethugs and causes.allows them to do the awful deeds they desire to do for their greed of money and political power.

Ooops I did not finish my post. Edwards has revealed himself for what he is, namely simplistic and shallow for thinking he can play the religious card and the anti-religious card at the same time. Maybe thats his schizophrenia. In any case one Bush is way to many and Edwards is looking like just another Bush. I haven't totally given up on him, well maybe I have. So far I am liking Dennis Kucinich, Jim Webb and Russ Feingold(in no particular order or preference) for their stand on the issues.

"Yes, the long war on Christianity. I pray that one day we may live in an America where Christians can worship freely! In broad daylight! Openly wearing the symbols of their religion…. perhaps around their necks? And maybe — dare I dream it? — maybe one day there can be an openly Christian President.(pause) Or, perhaps, 43 of them. (pause) Consecutively."
— Jon Stewart

I appologise Diane. I see from your more recent post you realize that big religion is fascist and very republican.
The group Edwards wife belongs to is not big religion. It is an effort to reach out to grass roots religious groups of all ideologies to help the poor, something all christian theoretically believe in.

Even though I am an Irish catholic I was accused of being anti catholic for supporting abortion on demand. This by one of Pat Mahoney's boys who was Assemblies of God and had no standing to accuse anyone of being anti-catholic.

I don't think Edwards is "playing the religious card", Bob. I think he is just reaching out. It reminds me of TEAM DEAN at NASCAR when the Dean campaign got Bryan Weber to race the White Chevy Monte Carlo with blue stars and red stripes. The Dean Machine was at Daytona to reach out to NASCAR dads. That did not mean Dean was playing the redneck card and Edwards is not playing the religious card because he was attacked by woman hating anti-choice chavanists like Donovan.

I think Edwards needs to sponsor a NASCAR. All these cars run on ethanol you know.

Johnny is the man for me. Joe is the one with the alleged drinking problem. You left wing extremists(wine drinkers) just don't like a true son of the South that knows how to drink his Bourbon. The South is going to raise again when our Johnny is President, and then the Bourbon is going to flow. We had Clinton and Carter, and now is the time for Johnny.

Usually the flying monkeys pick on Ted Kennedy. Why not Ted since he was also on the judiciary committee that questioned Clarence Thomas and sweet Anita Hill.

Joe Biden did not gag Orrin Hatch, but then a chairman who beleives in free speech like Senator Joe Biden would not do that. I beleive Hatch is responsible for his own unfair treatment of Anita Hill. Blaming Joe because he did not use his power as chairman to gavel down Arlen Spector and Orrin Hatch when they went after Anita Hill makes no sense.

Edwards is my man, and if he comes to Palm Beach I will buy him a drink. I prefer an Arnold Palmer made with rum, but if Edwards prefer bourbon drink it is legal. Palm Beach County is not s dry county.

"Blaming Joe because he did not use his power as chairman to gavel down Arlen Spector and Orrin Hatch when they went after Anita Hill makes no sense."

It makes perfect sense. What happened was brutal, and had Biden been chairing any other committee, you can bet he would have steered it away from lies and character assassination, and away from the "evidence" of Father John Danforth, who later admitted he made the whole thing up. You don't have to "gavel down" someone; you have to set rules that permit all witnesses--not just the chosen few--to testify (do your homework here) and that allow only that which can be reasonably corroborated.

A witness not allowed to testify, Diane?

If you mean the other woman that Thomas harrassed, I don't see that as Joe Biden's fault. Angela Wright and Sukari Hardnett both claimed Thomas made passes at them in the workplace at EEOC. Sukari Hartnett said it was not harassment perhaps because Asian culture is more tolerant of male domination of women. Angela Wright (Black) said it was harrassment and said it in writing. In any case the pattern of harassing and disrespecting minority women and putting white women, like his wife, on a pedistal is clear with Thomas.

The threat of firing stopped them from testifying, not anything Joe Biden did. Wright worked for the RNC, Hartnett for the EEOC. Both got fired anyway. Anita Hill was a tenured professor and so felt safe, Hill was driven from her job at the University of Oklahoma. Don't underestimate the Republican old boys network.

Diane? Do you blame the judge, or the mobsters, when organized crime intimidates a witness?

For the record, there were many women. They traveled to Washington and were not allowed into the room. One of them was diasbled and came at her own considerable risk. If Biden didn't know, then he wasn't much of a leader. If he did know--and it seems impossible he didn't--then he was a collaborator.

No snark - Diane and Clifton have me enthralled. I was about eleven when the hearings occurred and didn't know all the details.
Onto Edwards - I think the man's very aura is insincere. This isn't Dem emotion or Repug thinking but human instinct. Edwards is as phony as a three dollar bill. The blogger debacle only sharpens the focus on this.

AN OPEN BLOG LETTER TO JOHN EDWARDS, and AMERICA

Dear Mr Edwards:

Poverty, takes many forms, the USA already impoverished each of its citizens by imposing vast trillions in debt loads, which have grown alarmingly under the Bush---W--- Administration: on the backs of every family in America and their kids-per capita servitude.

Mr Edwards, you note your concerns on poverty...

Here is what FOX is doing to attack you see:

ON FOX on EDWARDS, and the promotion of HATE towards Plaintiff ESQ--so they(PEOPLE IN USA) are constrained to really having effective representation for ordinary citizens, in many instances.(CONSTRAINING LEGAL SERVICES TO MIDDLE CLASS Ordinary PEOPLE)

FOX TRANSCRIPT

FOX; O'Reilly: Listen, nobody's trying to kill the messenger. We just want to believe that the messenger feels it and hasn't memorized it. And Edwards is just a guy who's been told by his handlers that this time around the gimmick should be no gimmick.

I love it when you go across the street. There are houses there that Tom Joad would have passed on. And I loved it when you talked to those people. They wouldn't have spent $400 on their hair in their entire life.

You see the mother ship right there. I kept looking for the pea pod people to lead Richard Dreyfuss up to the front door. It's like the mother ship out of "Close Encounters." You can't put the rib kick in on John Edwards enough for me, because that is an empty vessel, my friend.

O'REILLY: OK, but he's earned his money by suing major corporations for damages, and some people say that was good, some people bad. He has a right as a capitalist to buy his 30,000 square foot house and spend whatever he spent on it.

The problem I have is that he's telling the people across the street in the trailer park that the system's rigged, that it's rigged. And here's Edwards, who came from a humble beginning, buying this chalet.

And if it's rigged, how come Edward got there? And what message are you sending to the people across the street who despise you? And I think they despise him because he just doesn't deal with them at all.

MILLER: Bill, there are two Americas; those who buy Edwards and those who think he's a complete phony. I am in the latter camp. And it's one of the things I have trouble with the Democratic Party now when they circle the hybrids. They all get into lock step on the message.

At some point somebody in the Democratic side of this should say, "You know what? Can't even defend the guy. You're right. A complete phony."

O'REILLY: He is a phony. Again, we know him and he is. And that's too bad. I'm sorry I have to say that.

Now, Mitt Romney(an investment banker who build up a over $ 200 million fortune DOING DEALS, who hates trial lawyers too...) according to a Rasmussen poll is up to 16 percent. Your guy, Rudy(now investment banker... and Painter vetted Rudi's mob connected guy for Homeland ZAR...(his nomination was withdraw when his mob connections surfaced).., is at 25. It looks like Romney's getting some traction. What do you think about that?

MILLER: Well, I'm wondering at the TIME photo you're showing. I don't remember, but that must be them sort of aping the notes on an old TIME cover with his dad, George.

Listen, I am a Rudy guy. I've often said that. I'm going to introduce the mayor at an L.A. fundraiser later tonight. I think that Rudy, as far as terrorism goes, is just entering his peak....

End of exceprts of attacks on Edwards:

So, Mr Edwards, here is something to contemplate, this old saying: The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights, or the water rights---those go to George Bush's and Dick Cheney's friends. ----its PAC PACK, clique...Mr Edwards, who gets the big chunk of the pie out of federal Coffers: Have you ever heard the expression: Get Halliburton & Enron off the backs of the U S taxpayers ?

Water rights in state constitutions hold that:
Waters are held in trust for the People. But things don't work that way under Bush, and his FOX supporters..waters are held hostage to spin off the benefits to the rich corporations

Under Dick Cheney--his million$ in stock options were boosted from money right out of DOD accounts, almost direct deposit. crony style direct deposit from spinning off federal booty--were was Miller on that-(see above)--while he was bragging about kicking you in the ribs, and attacking you on FOX.

The big government contractors strip off the resources, large chucks that compose funds from federal budget accounts.... You see how FOX plays the rich v poor card, it puts on its show your house(says 33,000 sq ft), and says your neighbors, who live in trailers despise you.......... You need to confront that, Mr Edwards. You see the games being played... You need to confront O'Reilly a draft evader just like Dick Cheney was.. FOX was dragging a dollar bill though its parking lots and it hooked onto DOLLA Bills mouth.

The Bush people, and the powerful corporations have very rich lawyers(the Richest of ALL---CORPORATE KING PENS), like Kenn Starr, Ted Olsen, and of course the Texas one Jim Baker, Baker and Botts...I hope you confront FOX, and the Bush crusade of hate towards lawyers who are for people.....Just because Tony Scalia had as his main client OPEC, before he went to the Supreme Court, and never represented some poor USA citizen(as a lawyer in private practice), why didn't Miller on Fox get into that.(see above)....Dennis the menace MILLER, what a duper (see above)
If Halliburton did not kick back PAC $$$$, getting so many billions in fat Pork contracts the deficits would be much lower....If you are for imposing big deficits you impoverish people, their kids, and you become no different than Dick Cheney. It is important that people be empowered, that poverty is confronted, that poor people are given hope, but Halliburton scrapes off the billion $$$$$$ big pork contracts, not some power less citizen.
The Bush Administration has mismanaged the financial affairs of America----the farce Dennis Miller(FOX-head ,Mr zany guy, did not use FOX to get into that, he seeks to divert attention away from that--by showing your 33,000 sq ft house.
People don't want a Government that impoverishes their kids, the next generation.. If you don't deal with the above, then your position is little different from Dick Cheney who loves deficits, red ink, so he plays crony style corrupt government--rather than an accountable government--- for PEOPLE.
America is watching, we want you to be clear on things.