Thats is exactly what the Republicans want, more cheap labor. Cheap scientific labor is equally welcome.
Working americans need not apply. Bill gates needs cheap programmers.
That is why the republican party is so bent on ending our public school system. It just gets in the way of even MORE profits. It also gets in the way of our growing 'Republican Party Jihadist Totalitarian Theocracy'.
Dick Morris of the Republican party is responsible for keeping mexican citizens in poverty just as the rethug party is working diligently to put americans in poverty.
I may be a catholic but I can easily see that the Vatican supports the rethug party in the unending efforts to do to america what the catholic church has supported in the latin american countries, unending poverty, begun by the Spanish invasion.
Poor people are so much easier to control and keep in line. Endless pain and suffering is just so good for the soul. Those pesky educated people tend to think for themselves, and way too much. Just can't have too much thinking.
Yes you can think but only as long as your thinking is toe-ing the line, only a certain approved line. Free Will must be controlled and not allowed to roam too far.
Let's just put keep Galileo, all Galileos' in jail; we can build more jails.
Education is not important jails are.

You made one good point bob t, all we need is more jails. But I do not agree most part of your comments.
What is the point of this article anyway? Need more uneducated people that take net 15 grand or more per year from government? What will going to happen to this country in next 20 or 50 years?
Anyone who is following Canada, Australia, NZ and UK should realize that. In last 10 years, they made huge strides in terms their economies and social life styles. Yes, they are attracting more educated from around the world. Its nothing to do with if you are from India or China. If you are educated and you are welcome. Call it selfish but thats what they want and thats exactly what they get. Educated people pay more in taxes that helps secial security and medicare for baby boomers.
I have nothing against illigal/undocumented individuals but bottomline is they are contineously breaking the law over many years.

Just my 2cents.
Chao. jacky

27 reasons this bill should be killed:
THE LIST
1. Security doesn't come first in this bill. This bill would immediately legalize illegal aliens that are currently in the country. The only way Congress will actually see to it that the border security and enforcement provisions in the bill will be implemented is if they have to do them before they even consider an amnesty for the people who are here.
2. Illegal aliens won't have to pay back taxes where do we get the same deal? The whole idea that illegal aliens shouldn't have to pay the taxes they already owe for working in the United States is utterly and completely offensive because it actually gives them a privilege that American citizens aren't getting: forgiveness for taxes owed to the IRS.
3. If passed, this bill will make taxpayers pay the legal bills for illegal aliens seeking amnesty. Tucked away on page 317 is a provision that would allow lawyers in the federally-funded legal services program to represent
illegal aliens, which they are presently barred from doing.
4. This bill rewards illegal aliens for breaking our laws. There are tens of millions of people who respect our laws and our country, waiting patiently, in line, often in their home countries, to get a chance to come here. Under this bill, illegal aliens will immediately be eligible for a "Z Visa" which allows them to work, go to school, and this is important stay here for the rest of their lives if they so choose because there is no limit on
the number of times it can be renewed.
5. The bill gives the government only one business day to conduct a background check to determine whether an
applicant is a criminal or a terrorist. It is impossible, of course, to determine in a single day whether someone
is a terrorist or a criminal.

6. In the bill Section 601(g)(2), illegal-alien gang members would be eligible for amnesty merely by signing a

"renunciation of gang affiliation."
7. Gang-bangers and other criminals, who have been ordered to leave the United States by an immigration judge but

defy the ruling, are called absconders. Section 601(d)(1)(I) permits U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to

grant an absconder a Z visa anyway if he can show that being forced to leave the United States "would result in

extreme hardship" to the alien, his spouse, parent or child.
8. The bill effectively shuts down our immigration-court system. If an alien in the removal process is eligible

for the Z visa, the immigration judge must close the proceedings and offer the alien the chance to apply for the

amnesty.
9. If ICE officials apprehend an alien who appears eligible for the Z visa (in other words, just about any illegal

alien), they can't detain him. Instead, ICE must help him apply for the Z visa.
Rather than initiating removal proceedings, ICE will be initiating amnesty applications. It's like turning the

Drug Enforcement Agency into a needle-distribution network.
10. To qualify for the Z-visa amnesty, an illegal alien need only have a job (or be the parent, spouse, or child

of someone with a job) and come up with a scrap of paper suggesting he was in the country before Jan. 1 of this

year. Any bank statement, pay stub, or similarly forgeable record will do.
Expect a mass influx unlike anything this country has seen before, once the 12-month period for accepting Z visa

applications begins. These rules are an open invitation to sneak in and present a fraudulent piece of paper

indicating that you were already here.

11. As promised, the bill will legalize most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens now in the country via

a new "Z visa." Each would pay $3,000 - only slightly more than the going rate to be smuggled into America. This

is not up front. They will have eight years to pay it back.
12. Supporters of the bill call the Z visa "temporary" - neglecting to mention that it can be renewed indefinitely

until the visa holder dies. Thus, we have the country's first permanent temporary visa. On top of that, it's a

super-visa - allowing the holder to work, attend college or do just about anything else.
Are you a law-abiding alien who's interested in switching to this privileged status? Sorry. Only illegal aliens

can qualify.

13. The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade by granting green cards to all

the remote relatives who are in the chain migration categories, a number estimated at 750,000 to 900,000 a year.

That is triple the current number of 250,000. Giving green cards to millions of additional relatives ensures that

legal immigration will continue to grow as this larger pool of permanent residents brings in spouses.
14. The bill claims that bench marks must be met before amnesty/guest-worker provisions go into effect. But the

bench marks fail to require that the U.S.-Mexico border be closed, fail to require that the border fence be

completed as mandated by Congress in October and fail to require that the Department of Homeland Security

implement the entry-exit visa system so Americans can know if visitors and guest workers actually leave.
The border security part of the bill calls for a 370-mile-long fence on the U.S./Mexico border. That is only half

as long as the 700-mile-long fence ordered by the Secure Fence Act passed overwhelmingly by Congress and

ostentatiously signed by the president in front of TV cameras just before the November 2006 election.

15. Another bench mark is that "tools" will be provided to prevent illegal immigrants from getting jobs, including

requirements for identification standards and an employee verification system. But the bill lacks a requirement

that anybody actually use the tools.
16. The costs of the Senate immigration bill are mind-boggling. Unbelievably, the Senate has made no attempt to

estimate this costs or how to how to pay them. The Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector puts a potential price tag

on this bill of $2.5 trillion, which is five times the cost of the Iraq war.
17. At least 60 percent of illegal immigrants lack a high school diploma, which means they will work low-wage

jobs, pay little or no income tax, and be heavy users of our schools and means-tested social benefits such as

Medicaid, school lunches, Women, Infants and Children Program, subsidized housing, the Earned Income Tax Credit,

and free legal counsel.
18. Fiscal costs would go up dramatically after amnesty recipients reach retirement. Each elderly low-skill

immigrant imposes a net cost - that is benefits minus taxes - on U.S. taxpayers of about $17,000 per year,

according to the Heritage Foundation. These costs would hit Social Security and Medicare at the very time Social

Security is expected to go into crisis.
19. Section 413 calls on Congress to "accelerate the implementation" of the Security and Prosperity Partnership -

announced by Bush in Waco, Texas, in 2005 - so that the United States can "improve the standard of living in

Mexico." Do U.S. taxpayers want to take on the awesome economic burden of solving poverty problems in Mexico?
20. The Senate immigration bill states that the United States want to increase access to credit for "poor and

under-served populations in Mexico," and expand efforts "to reduce the transaction costs of remittance flows" from

the U.S. to Mexico now running at $23 billion a year. That is money made in the US but transferred out of our

economy.

21. The Senate bill also puts the United States into a "partnership" with Mexico for "increasing health care

access for poor and under-served populations in Mexico," for "assisting Mexico in increasing its emergency and

trauma health care facilities," and for "expanding prenatal care" in the border region. Do U.S. taxpayers want to

take on the awesome economic burden of solving problems in Mexico?
22. The Senate bill authorizes 4,000 new Border Patrol agents, but doesn't require that they be trained or

deployed.
23. Illegal Aliens will receive instate tuition. Illegal aliens would receive a taxpayer subsidy worth tens of

thousands of dollars and would be treated better than U.S. citizens from out of state, who must pay three to four

times as much to attend college. In an era of limited educational resources and rising tuitions, U.S. citizens,

not aliens openly violating federal law, should be first in line to receive education subsidies.
24.Health standards ignored - Z-Visa holders are not required to be given medical examinations and immunizations.

Z-Visa applicants and permenant residents are two peas off the same pod. Both can live in the USA as long as they

want. Permenant residents are required to be given a medical examination and immunized but Z-Visa holders are not.

All aliens, including Z-Visa holders should be required to be given medical examinations and immunized. They are

living and breathing in our country just as permanent residents. The health and safety issues are one and the

same. TB or Leprosy anyone?

25."There are no serious assimilation components to the legislation." Dual citizenship, naturalized Americans

voting here and overseas, non-English classrooms and multilingual ballots all thrive, despite McCain-Kennedy's

"comprehensive" scope. "Assimilation" appears only once in this legislation, and not until the 343rd of 347 pages.

"Americanization" never emerges.
26. The amnestee doesn't have to know squat in English to get probationary status or a Z visa. After four years

when seeking to renew the Z visa the first time, he only has to take not pass, just take the naturalization

language test or be on a waiting list for English classes. "Learn English" only happens after eight years, and

then it's not actual mastery of the language.
27. As stated above in #13 "The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade....".

Yet, when asked in a Gallup poll what level of immigration do Americans want, overwhelmingly they say less (46%)

or same (34%). While only 16% want more. The US Census Bureau in 1999 projected The USA's population will double

in less then 100 years from 300 million to 600 million. The majority of that increase will be from legal

immigration, illegal immigration, plus both their descendants. This is completely against what the American people want. When do we start double decking our freeways Mr. President?

Send them all back!

Bob:

When it comes to Affirmitive Action qualified whites are denied jobs. When more qualified immigrants are given jobs, whites demand privilege. This is typical of white Americans wanting to maintain white privilege. Having said that, point system should be eliminated.

We ought to turn the whole situation on its head and encourage Americans to emigrate. Instead of thrill-seeking younger generations in America, our younger generations can experience the thrill of adapting to a new language and culture. We can share our talents with developing countries.

>> Indians in particular will do quite well under the point system, and immigrants from South America, Central America, and Mexico will do quite poorly.

Indians may well get more points but that does not mean they will be able to immigrate under the new system. By law the US restricts immigration to 7% (10% proposed under this bill), which means that the unemployed immigrant from Timbuktu stands a better chance than the Indian engineer.

As another comment pointed out,if you think Indians are being welcomed to US, you are mistaken. There is a 10% country limit in the new bill and only 14,000 Indians (out of a total 140K number that exists now, include dependent spouse and children into that) get Green card. The cut off for Indians because of this will be very high, say 85-90 points. How ever, a polish or Romanian with 70 points and Burmese with 60 points will still get GC. An Indian with 80-83 points will wait a long time or might never get it under the points system as there will be at least 14,000+ Indians with 85+ points that applies every fiscal year.

Why do US expect loads and loads of students, temporary workers who can file for permanent residency (dont give me the same non immigrant intent, we all know every one wants to immigrate, no matter what visa they came on) from India and China come to US schools and pay out-of-state tuition and US do not impose per country limits on these visas? Over the past 4/5 years, USCIS/DOS screwed up wasting approximately 100,000 visa numbers and ended up creating 4-5 years delay in processing from India/china and all over the world for GC application.

And how is our family reunification-based system, which was created in 1965, NOT social engineering? Instead of choosing on characteristics which might be appropriate for a modern economy, we choose on family relationships. Furthermore, the 1965 law itself changed the make up of this country through family reunification, something Ted Kennedy specifically promised it would not do. At least the points-based route gives opportunities to a much wider range of people. Who knows--maybe Latin America will decide that its citizens should learn English as a second language, instead of US learning Spanish! Nor does it necessarily have to eliminate unskilled labor. IF those skills are needed by the economy than those workers can be chosen.

Indians will be limited to 10% of green cards, which anyway gets overfilled as of today. You blogger just post on emotional basis and never try to see the details.

Under the new proposal 380,000 visas will be allocated on skills, which means 38,000 Indians would be admitted every year for Green Card. However, the points based proposal should be defeated. Only the employers should have the final say in who they employ and only those having jobs should be let into the country.

According to the Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, in 2006 17169 skilled immigrants were admitted from India out of a total of 159081 (10.8%), while only 14,525 adult siblings and parents were admitted from India out of a total of 222229 (6.5%). Under the proposal there would be 380,000 visas would be allotted for points based immigration. If 10% were admitted from India, that would mean 38,000 visas for Indian skilled workers which is nearly 7,000 more than the combined family reunification and skilled immigrants in 2006. So, the article is right. There would be more Indians in absolute terms and by doing the same calculation less Hispanics. There would be more Asians in general, and fewer Europeans and Latin Americans and their immediate relatives would increase the total proportion of Asians in the population. Here is the link. You can do these calculations easily.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2006/table10d.xls

However, having said that, I strongly believe that the points proposal should be defeated. Only the employers should have the right to sponsor the employee. I believe Zoe Lofgren in the House thinks along these lines and the points proposal would go nowhere in the House..that is if we ever get a bill out of the House, a big if, considering the presence of Tancredo and the House Immigration Reform Caucus.

George,

According to the point system, an agricultural worker gets 21 points compared to a masters degree holder getting 20 points. The article is skewed and it does not point these lacunae.

The figure 38,000 you quoted is the maximum possible, not the absolute figure. If more latin american citizens apply for immigration, then every country gets equal representation. The 10% would go to India only if some other countres do not use up their quota.

In any case Americans do not have to worry about lots of Indian faces in their country.

After going to college and coming out with a humongous loan to repay I hardly see how it is fair to Americans to have people from other countries come here to compete with us.

There aren't enough good jobs already for college grads. Also being female the employers tend to hire men instead of women so that leaves women even further behind in the employment world.

Americans need jobs to keep helping to support all these offshore companies...you would think there would be someone thinking out there....

Gilda, you miss the point. By having immigrants come they will work for cheaper than you and since they are use to a lower standard of living, they do not complain like you do. It is good for the capitalists. We are a capitalist country which has a history of exploiting labor. It is old fashion union busting. Also, the new immigrant goes to the front of the line on jobs, due to affirmative action.