I thought the Dems pretty much took Congress on a promise to get us the f*#k OUT of Iraq? ASAP.

Was there something wrong with my hearing last fall?
Or is their something wrong with their performance-according-to-promise?

Do they REALLY plan to run on "getting us out of Iraq" two elections in a row, and expect us not to notice that that they didn't deliver on the promise the first time?
Yeah..., probably.

MSNBC's Tucker Carlson also jumped on the "troops don't know" bandwagon. Do they really expect us to disregard the opinions of people who have spent time in Iraq and actually left the Green Zone?

AnnEEEE, if you worked for any large organization - government or corporate, you’d know that management doesn’t NEED to “leave the green zone”. That’s what the employees are for. When you master the art of BS talk, you can then join the priest (management) class, AND participate in the scams. You can tell when someone HAS mastered the art of BS, by how they talk in meetings or write memos. If you can’t tell, you are still just a grunt (employee).

For example: We are leveraging our core strengths while orchestrating our table steaks in a go-forward timeframe. When you know – in your heart – what that means, you THEN don’t belong “in the green zone”.

This man is obivously more delusional than Don Quixote mistaking whores for ladies-in-waiting.It terrifies me, that people like O'Hanalon believe their own propaganda;what's worse is the influence these talking heads have.

No other opinions matter now. The seven grunts have made the definitive statement about the war. Not O'Hanlon, not Petraeus, not GWB, not Cheney, not O'Reilly, not anybody. The soldiers have bravely put the irrefutable truth out in public. Unless someone can destroy the bone fides of these troops on the ground, the debate is OVER. Period.

Most Democrats ran against the administration's "mishandling" of the Iraq war. Most Democratic presidential candidates would redeploy up to half of those soldiers to Afghanistan - an Interpol operation that was subverted into a political war for control of that country. With Rove screeching about "defeat", they are too terrified of being seen as "soft on terrorism" to actually do anything. It's the foreign policy equivalent of being "soft on drugs". We've continued that war - despite the clear evidence that each decade the related crime and health risks keep getting worse and worse and worse and worse - for over three decades [nine if you count everything after the Harrison Narcotic Act, seven if you count from the original Marihuana Tax Act]. Anyone for staying in Iraq until 2040? What about Afghanistan until 2050? We get to test urban warfare techniques and prison management for our local drug user populations. It's a clear bargain - since our great great grandchildren can default on our debts sometime in the future when they finally come to their senses and overthrow this corrupt government and install a democracy.

O'Hanlon, is he like O'Reilly, O'Hannity, O'Russert, O'Byrne, O'Scarborough, O'Matthews, O'Beck, O'Reagan(the sleeping prez)O'Noonan,O'Malkin, O'Scalia, O'Thomas, O'Roberts, O'Kennedy or O'Alito; all of whom kill in the name of God, and for profits and political power.
Somehow, I just don't think God would endorse their position of killing in His name.

And another thing, no matter how badly the dems didn't fulfill their promise I will still vote for them, though seemingly spineless, anything is better than a religious repub.

The Democrats can't do it all by themselves...you are forgetting that there are 49 Republican Senators and they are still...for the most part...doing what they have always done...surely you haven't already forgotten. The Democrats control the House also and have passed bills, but Mr. Bush..vetoed them..remember. If America wants what it wants bad enough...then it needs to send enough Democrats to Congress to get the job done or enough to override a presidental veto.

As long as the Dem controlled Congress is giving Dubya the things he wants most, such as LEGALIZED wire-taps-sans-warrants, you're going to have a damned hard time convincing me it makes a difference which wing of the Mobius Party ends up in DC.

It's a realization I came to some years ago.
The only thing that'll change the fundamentals of what goes on inside the beltway is a COMPLETE shift AWAY from the people we've been sending, and that means somebody OTHER than the Democrats & the Republicans.