thank God that King George II..., uh, i mean King Philip IV managed to get the torture in, and obtain the confessions of heresy BEFORE the pope absolved the templar leaders of it!

learn the lessons of history?
i don't think so!

Why does the Church hide anything? Is it the dirt that they have done and still do or the things that fly in the face of their teachings?

Nick, what dirt do they still do?

Among other aspects, the Church
has so far avoided greater
attention to Augustin of Hippo,
one of the church fathers and
theologians.
It was to a good deal Augustins
works which were for the longest
part the actual holy scripture
and Augustine being the actual
super-messiah. The Church had and has a marvellous way of
presenting everything in the
name of Jesus (I don't mean this doctrinairian, Bible-
stumping.) This guys theology
was the script for the world
as "valley of misery" and so
forth, brought about so successfully.
Literature: James O'Donnel:
Augustine. A new Biography.
(harperCollins and others)

Um, I think it's "Knights Templar," without the "of," isn't it?

Look at the biggest Jewish right wing nut, Moses. He had a policy of genocide to steal the land from the original inhabitants. (Moses's policy for genocide is all in the Bible, but wasn't he an Egyptian and married to a Black woman? ) Modern day Zionists base their right to the land on this ancient first Hitler. What goes around comes around. We live in the 21st Century. Say no to Zionism, say no to racism.

damn, this place has turned into Jew Bash Central!

every story gets twisted into an opportunity for one or two guys, posting with 10 or 12 different names to bash jews, regardless of whether the story has anything to do with jews or israel.

like this one.
it started out being about the vatican, and 'Josh' somehow thought that led to a jew/israel bashing.

this gets very tiresome, and it's certainly not persuasive.

Enough of this Christian bashing.

Nowhere have I been able to find how to actually buy this book HELP I know th company name but they do not reply. I would buy a copy if I could.( I know crazy but true) Help me and Ill share the secrets someday email if you figure out the process

heres the e mail addy:
marty1028@hotmail.com

$8,377! I bet if you wait a few weeks it will be out in paperback and you will be able to get it at either AMAZON.COM or ever Costco!!!

So who is Cheney a reincarnation of?

Cheney is a reincarnation of Herr Goering. Who is Bush a reincarnation of ?

I imagine the debates within the Vatican of whether to make the papers public are probably worthy of a DB novel themselves.
Funny really, in my less informed view of God I'd have thought He'd prefer not to put a price of $8,377 on truth and release the info to the world for free.

Actually, the Bible does officially condone genocide - as long as it's for fun and not profit. Hitler was OK to kill all the Jews; he got scrod by God when his boys stole all their stuff.
Seriously though; the church has signed on to the divine right of kings, the Just War [predecessor to Jihad], predestination [rich guys are just blessed by God], and a whole lot of authoritarians are the agents of God dogma. They are the whores of Babylon in spades. So....What's new? That's why Jesus got so upset at liars and those who pervert faith into a self-justification back slapping orgy of disgust at "those people". People of faith [religion] have yet to find some authoritarian's backside that isn't worth kissing - for personal gain.

J.T., predestination is a Calvinist Protestant concept, not a Catholic concept. The concept of Predestination is that some are the elect, for eternal life, not "rich guys are blessed by God", which is the Jewish concept in the Old Testament. Speaking of the whores of Babylon, read the Babylonian Talmud. Princeton University's "Jesus in the Talmud" is a very good book. It shows that the Talmud is full of very offensive "anti-Christian" material. This is the authoritarian book that the Rabbi's follow. Rabbinacle Judaism is the successor to the Pharisees of Christ's day. You are right J.T.about "authority". Christ said that if you want to be first, you must be last and be a servant to your brothers. When religion and government are mixed(like in Europe in the olden days), it corrupts the religion. Christ and the Apostle Paul never told people to change the government, but to change their individual hearts and that would result in society being changed. The great commission was to only preach the Gospel, not to rule in civil government.

those archives have very interesting historical documents all humanity should see.
Dr.Q

like the ones I saw there with ronnie.

let's sack the place and see what they're hiding, while we pocket the art, the jewels and the silverware

Jet, you really are a bigot. You whine(10/14 post) about the Jews getting a bad rap, but you are a bigot against Catholics. You advocate violence. What a hypocrite.

Todd J., you really were born without a sense of humor
does your handicap permit you special parking privileges?

people with a properly developed s.o.h. would have been able to see the tongue almost bursting through my cheek right over the internet

b.t.w., if you can show me where i said jews are getting a bad rap in that post, i'd be very impressed

all i can find that i said is that some morons who post here under God knows how many different screen names (Todd J., maybe?) seem determined to turn each and every thread into criticism of jews/israel, regardless of what the article in question addresses, and it's getting tiresome
i stand by what i said on 10/14

Bush is definitely not a reincarnation of Hitler. The Fuhrer had a mind of his own and bossed everybody around. Bush, on the other hand, well...Keitel is a name that comes to my mind when I think of Bush reincarnated. In the German General staff, his nickname was Lakeitel.

At only 799 with the 800th held by the pope you wilii wish you bought one instead of that "No payment down" SUV that will be hittibg the scrap heap when these are hitting the Christies Auction rooms..

odd J., you really were born without a sense of humor