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Clinton Faces Trouble in South Carolina for MLK Remarks

clyburn.jpg Before the New Hampshire primary, Hillary Clinton went on Fox News and responded to Barack Obama's frequent invocations of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. "Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964," she said. "It took a president to get it done."

The message was clear: knowing how to work the levers of power is more valuable in getting stuff done than even the mightiest of speeches.

But slighting Dr. King is probably not the best way to make any political point. Maybe the biggest ramification is this: South Carolina Representative James Clyburn, the highest-ranking African-American in Congress and a veteran of the civil rights movement, appears poised to abandon the neutrality he has maintained throughout the presidential race and endorse Barack Obama.

"We have to be very, very careful about how we speak about that era in American politics," Clyburn told the New York Times. "It is one thing to run a campaign and be respectful of everyone's motives and actions, and it is something else to denigrate those. That bothered me a great deal."

Clyburn is a heavyweight in South Carolina politics, and his endorsement could help solidify Obama's support amongst the black community there. The black vote in South Carolina, as we've discussed, is not solidly in anyone's camp at the moment, and if Obama can add that voting block to others that are on his side, he will have a very solid chance at the nomination. After all, if he could win Iowa and be competitive in New Hampshire, two states that are heavily white, imagine what he can do in places that are more diverse.

(And PS — Does Clinton really want to use the LBJ vs. MLK analogy? Who is going to say, "Well, I guess we could elect the Martin Luther King guy, but I'll go with the Lyndon Johnson lady instead." That's crazy. Ain't nobody getting a day off on LBJ's birthday.)






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the sad thing is that Hillary has actually done more for civil rights than Obama ever has. That was her bread and butter for years. People probably won't believe me, because she's white and he's black, but it's true. What she said was probably unwise, but I think her point is generally true- we need someone who both believes in this stuff and can implement it... whoever that person is.

Posted by: Eh on 01/11/08 at 11:09 AM  Respond

Clinton is a southerner, and her attitude(master attitude) is not uncommon. We Blacks just need to get in line and be thankful for the welfare that she promises us. But God forbid that a Black man ever gets into the master's White House.

Posted by: Bob on 01/11/08 at 11:29 AM  Respond

Hclinton is from Illinois and a carpetbagger in NY. She has made other slams to the Black community ie: spadework, flip on the mandatory sentencing for crack, lied about Obama's position on partial birth abortion, slanderous lie of muslim upbringing,etc etc.
Now she has deserted her AF friends and is courting the illegal immigrants and taking care to publically seem compassionate. Her incipient sobs for the camera were not out of compassion for Americans but frustration resultant from the missioary zeal of entitlement she was losing [according to the polls] in New Hampshire. I have faith that the statesman, Mr. Clyburn, does not have to find his voice...I hope he uses it for America.

Posted by: docb on 01/11/08 at 3:04 PM  Respond

Really Eh? Can you qualify that statement? Clinton was a self-professed "Goldwater Girl" - campaigning for Barry Goldwater, who vehemently opposed civil rights.

Obama's Presidential campaign is doing more to motivate and inspire African Americans than anyone has done in years. Perhaps that's not a direct contribution to civil rights, but it's a more valuable contribution than any that Mrs. Clinton has made.

Posted by: nic on 01/11/08 at 4:14 PM  Respond

Just look at where the money's coming from. Hillary's getting tons of donations from the military industrial corporations. Guess how Bill Clinton and G.W. Bush rewarded those who contributed to their campaigns... Cos that's how Hillary will reward those who contribute to hers.

On the other hand, Barack Obama has declined contributions from special interests. Nice, eh?

Posted by: Paul on 01/11/08 at 4:23 PM  Respond

For him to go after Obama, using a ‘fairy tale,’ calling him as he did last week, it's an insult. And I will tell you, as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing,” Donna Brazile, a longtime Clinton ally who is neutral in this race, said on CNN earlier this week.

Asked in an e-mail from Politico about the situation Friday, she responded by sending over links to five cases in which the Clintons and their surrogates talked about Obama, along with a question:
“Is Clinton using a race-baiting strategy against Obama?”

Posted by: Buddy on 01/11/08 at 5:41 PM  Respond

["Clinton is a southerner"]

Sorry, but docb is correct. Hillary is from a wealthy Chicago suburb called Park Ridge.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/firstladies/hc42.html

95+% white today. Probably 99+% when she was born in '47.
Median home price of $420,000 (about 3 times the national average), and a median family income of $100,000 (more than twice the national average).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Ridge,_Illinois

Poor, Southern white trash who pulled herself up by her own bootstraps is definitely NOT Hillary's story.
Don't let Poor Bill's story rub off on her.
It doesn't stick.

Posted by: AlternateRealityCheck on 01/11/08 at 6:21 PM  Respond

I supported Bill Clinton as a politician from outside Washington who was different in 1992 and 1996.

But I am personally and professionally offended by his tone in stating “…this whole thing is a fairytale.” There is no doubt in my mind what Bill referring to!

I don't care how much Hillary may have worked for civil rights (after supporting Barry Goldwater), it will never match what Barack Obama has done and support he has gained by running for President.

I am in no way playing a so called “race card”. The good people of New Hampshire, where 0.7% of the population is African-American, supported Barack Obama with over 104,000 votes!

I was born a colored child, who became a Negro in elementary school, transitioned to Black in the late sixties and then to African-American. At no point in that time, except when outside the borders of the USA, was I ever referred to as “just” a plain old patriotic American.

But with Barack I will be an American -- no color descriptor required!

Go Barack Obama ‘08

I once was lost but now am found, Was blind, but now I see!

Barack is not ready To be president. The condition this country is in I am tied of electing presidents to train . We need someone that can help bring the value of the dollar up, pay China some of those tremillion of dollars we owe them.Bring some of those Jobs back to the United States.Do something about these homes being foreclosed on.Stop people from crossing our borders. I am a black women 77 years old in my good mind. I love Barack and MLK . We need someone that is ready now to do something about this Country being in the condition it was in . We just finish trying to train President Bush.Almost every department heads in his Administration has changed.Since he was elected We dont have time to train Barack .Just about every country in the world hate us now. We need some one to bring us back together withthe other part of the world now and ready to run this country. why is Carolina mad at Hillary for saying that about president Johnson. he did sign those civil right bills. If MLK was living today he would say the same thing.After finishing with a president that got us in this position.MLK was a smart man he would tell us Barack is not ready. Barack said himself he was surprised himself.We need a change but not Barack at this time.dont forget we are still in a war.

Posted by: addie dozier on 01/11/08 at 10:41 PM  Respond

Is Chicken George going to sell out Kunta Kinte again for lack of confidence and an inferiority complex? The only presidential candidates who can truly claim presidential experience are those running for a second term. The Republic would never had been born if the Founders were stuck on whether they knew how to establish and run a country. No colony would have been freed from colonialism had the leaders of independence waited for "experience." How pathetic of African Americans to have called the questionable Bill Clinton the first "Black" president because they are afraid of victory themselves. How many Nat Turners and Denmark Veseys were sold out by Chicken Georges because they felt unready for freedom. Come on! It's time African Americans stopped playing second fiddle,inspiring people to vote for whites with great speeches when they themselves can do a better job as number one' while supported by gifted whites! Have some respect for and solidarity with those white Americans who truly see Barack as simply a potentially capable presiednt worthy of electoral confidence! Barack can win and govern well, especiallly that he is as capable as any of his opponents in understanding how to choose the right advisers and cabinet, and to understand the historic and day-to-day requirements. African Americans need to become Kunta Kinte, leave Chicken George behind once and for all, and stop being afraid of success and the responsibility of frontline leadership; even the responsibility to make mistakes and fail! Let the kid shine! Be full-fledged Americans!

Posted by: Richard on 01/12/08 at 6:37 PM  Respond

Keep living in the past and the future will be that much harder to reach. Seems like blacks want a reason to vote for Obama who has hardly done anything for the black community when compared to Hillary and the Clintons.

Posted by: Samual Jones on 01/12/08 at 8:04 PM  Respond

It is not about what the Clinton's have "done" for the African American community, it is about what can be done for the future of America (no subcategory descriptor required)

In order to not live in the past we need to look into the future. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a for the past. A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for the future!

African Americans do not owe anyone their [our] allegence because our allegiance is to the Untied States of America. We do not have to bind ourselves to neither intellectually nor emotionally to any candidate, particularly the Clinton's.

We are all are free people that should not vote just on single point issue.

Hillary Clinton is the virtual incumbent. The problems we face today are part of the Clinton's doing and the core of Hillary's 35 years of experience on why we should not vote for her.

Stop the Bush/Clinton Oligarchy Now!

I was appalled when I heard Hillary Clinton's comment about ML King. She put her foot right in her mouth by saying that ML King's inspirational words were essentially ineffective until JFK and LBJ took action. This is utter nonsense. The civil rights movement was born, fought, and won in the streets. It was ML King's vision that impelled ordinary citizens to march, to organize, and sometimes to die for civil rights--and they sparked a movement that forced JFK and LBJ to take action (very much against his will, in JFK's case). LBJ did not create the 1964 civil rights bill. The marchers in Selma and Birmingham and Memphis and the visionary men and women who led them made the civil rights bills happen. LBJ didn't just wake up one day and say, "Gee, I think I'll sponsor a civil rights bill." Without Rosa Parks & ML King and Ralph Abernathy and Stokely Carmichael and thousands of ordinary Americans--and millions more who were aroused by the photos of Bull Connor's police dogs and fire hoses on the front pages of their morning newspapers--LBJ would have found better thngs to do. But Hillary Clinton would not know--she was busy campaigning as a Goldwater Girl in 1964. Hillary Clinton needs to learn that it doesn't take a pesident to change America--it takes a village.

Posted by: Hollie on 01/13/08 at 12:39 PM  Respond

Hollie, Senator Clinton meant to say that only the White person can bring change and implement things. MLK came up with some pretty good ideas, but being a Black man, he just couldn't implement them and bring about change. You see, that is the value of Senator Clinton, she can get the job done that Senator Obama wants done. No disrespect meant, just the FACTS sister.

Posted by: Rachael from NYC on 01/13/08 at 1:01 PM  Respond

(CNN) – BET founder and prominent Hillary Clinton supporter Bob Johnson said Sunday he is 'insulted' with the Obama campaign's latest criticisms of Clinton, and appeared to take aim at the Illinois senator for his admitted drug use as a young man.

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Chicken George! Give us all a break!

It is not about what the Clinton's have "done" for the African American community it is about what can be done for the future of America (no subcategory descriptor required)!

In order to not live in the past we need to look far into our future. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for the Clinton past. A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for the American future.

African Americans do not owe any individual or group their [our] allegiance because our allegiance is to the United States of America and the ideals that all men and woman are created equal!

We do not have to bind ourselves intellectually nor emotionally to any candidate, particularly the Clinton's. We are all free people that should not vote just on the bases of a single point issue.

Hillary Clinton is the virtual incumbent in this race. The problems we face today are part of the Clinton's doing and the core of Hillary's 35 years of experience on why we should not vote for her. There’s no dismissing the fact that the Clinton administration got distracted in his second term a period when bin Laden and al Qaeda could have been stopped.

Each day I read about the pandering done by the Clintons makes me sick of a Presidential Primary selection process that I was previously extremely enthused about!

I believe this to be very Rove(ish) in the application of hot button talking points where they [the Clinton's] know that they [the Clinton's] have a solid backing of the core of the Democratic party and as such want to discourage younger and independent voters from taking part I the process thus increasing the voting base for real change, change we all can trust.

Bob Johnson of BET is looking out for his share of entrenched interest as he has a lot to gain/maintain by supporting the status quo and not supporting non-partisan issues and solutions. He wants polarisation because he makes money on polar issues and groups.

Obama makes a large number of Americans – young and old, black and white – believe this nation can accomplish anything it sets its mind to. He talks about "replacing the politics of cynicism with the politics of hope." And he doesn't see Republicans as the enemy. The Tampa Tribune Editorial Board Jan 11, 2008

We were foolish to believe that the Clintons could see what they believe is their destiny threatened from someone like Barack Obama! The Clinton’s position was clearly articulated by the statement of: "Give me a break," said Mr. Clinton. "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen." Not sure about your vantage point nor how you might parse what Bill Clinton said and meant but I know what I heard and what I heard was Bill Clinton saying that the whole Barack Obama campaign is a fairy tale.

This idea had been levelled earlier in the campaign with Hillary expressing that Barack was giving the American People false hope(s)!

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union were foolish to believe that we could hope for a country of unity, one of collective strength(s), one without the constraints of the past placing artificial restrictions on our future!

This really isn't about right vs wrong; liberal vs conservative; Democrat vs Republican vs Independent -- this is about the past verses the future! This is about a select entrenched group that dominate our country trying to retain THEIR power!

Why do you think the GOP core despise Mike Huckabee OR provide luke warm support for John McCain??? They are worried that We the People will see the truth and as such vote for change real change, change that we can trust.

If Barack Obama gets no further then the Presidential Primary process he [Barack] will still have done more for Americans or all colours and ethnic backgrounds then the Clinton's could have ever hoped to accomplished!

Don't let them steal our future in an effort to save their past!

Go Barack '08.

"I once was lost but now am found, Was blind, but now I see!"

Sorry Mam I totally disagree. Mr. Oboma has the ability and courage to bring people together around a common cause. I think this country is worth investing in the training of our commander and chief after all all new presidents are brief by special advisors and staff to help them run our goverment. This will take a team effort not a lone ranger effort. Mr. Obama is willing to work together across party lines to accomplish great things in washington. If you like for one reason that one person will be able to turn our country around you are saddly mistaken.

Posted by: Lamont Jackson on 01/14/08 at 7:03 AM  Respond

I'm sorry, but it took the president to actually get the civil rights issue to become law. MLK knew he couldnt do things alone. People working together will get things done. For those of you who forget, Obama is half-Black

Posted by: Kris on 01/14/08 at 12:13 PM  Respond

I believe that the underlying statement given by Sen. Clinton on Meet The Press on Sunday, January 13th, 2008, belies the exact reason why she is not qualified to lead this country into a new chapter of history and unworthy of our votes of confidence in her abilities. She gives credit to President Lyndon B. Johnson for realizing the dreams of Dr. Martin Luther King and the struggle of the civil rights movement. Anyone who marched in Selma, Alabama, or sat-in at diners in the South or was brutalized by the police or counter-demonstrators knows that the credit for this fundamental and late-coming piece of legislation belongs to the people that fought for it. Only a person that has no knowledge of what it means to be oppressed can give credit for true change to a system of power that was the source of this oppression. To give credit to a politician for this monumental law understates Sen. Clinton’s love for power and her relentless desire to possess that power.
It was not a white President from Texas that realized the dream on a national level with one stroke of his mighty pen. It was the multitudes of people of all colors of the spectrum that struck out from their churches, schools and buses, marching to change convention in their communities. It was the masses that stood and sat for what they knew was right and true in their hearts, minds and souls. Dr. King’s wisdom is professed in the continuing struggle that enlists all of us to rally to our own hearts true call and personally embody that change in which we wish to see. It was the cries for freedom and for equality from millions that roused President Johnson to search his heart and sign the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
“It took a President to get it done.”
No, Senator Clinton. It took the blood and determination of an oppressed people to get this done. It took the love and compassion of a country to get this done, and we aren’t finished yet. The power for change does not come from the system itself, but from the people that empower the system. True change comes from the bottom up as declared and supported by the people. Changes that come from the top down are called orders and are always imposed with force. It is the misunderstanding of these methods and manners of power that has led us to the problems that we now encounter in 2008. And we risk repeating our mistakes unless we re-establish our power and act responsibly.
We wish to solve these problems, but no solutions can be found in the mouths of politicians unless they speak with the voice of the people. Now, who in this election sounds a drum for unity and inspires us to heal our rifts by empowering ourselves? Whose words stir our hearts and challenge us to create our own future? Who, among all, is human in soul and can lead with patience and passion?
So now is the time to listen. Listen with your heart and hear who leads with hope, and who counters with fear and anger. Listen with your head and hear who can lead with respect and humility. True leaders inspire change in us and, thus, change the country because they know that this is the only way to truly enact lasting change that lives beyond their terms of service. This is the spirit of President John F. Kennedy and the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. And this is what Sen. Clinton does not understand. A title, whether it is Dr. or President and followed by King or Obama, deserves no respect lest it be earned through the faith of the people. We as citizens of this country are the only ones that can change its course. So let us choose a President that speaks with all of us and understands all of us. Let us choose a President whose words inspire us to create that change in us that will transform this country into a better United States of America. Let us choose a President that gives life to hope in both words and actions. Let us choose Sen. Barack Obama for President in 2008!

Posted by: Adan Gutierrez-Gallegos on 01/15/08 at 2:35 AM  Respond

Clinton and Obama are practically the same on the issues. It comes down to whether your gender or your race is the most important.

Posted by: Troy on 01/15/08 at 10:16 AM  Respond

Hillary's statement, was probably not intentionally racist, but it did indicate the possibility of some hidden, unconscious racist sentiments. I'm countering the slip of the tongue with this song, from my forthcoming CD, Dr BLTributes:

It Only Hurts When I Cry
Dr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT copyright 2008
http://www.drblt.net/music/ItOnlyDemo2.mp3

And, speaking of crying, Hillary recently learned another valuable lesson:

If at First you don't Succeed (Cry, Cry Again)
Dr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT copyright 2008
http://www.drblt.net/music/CryAgainDemo2.mp3

Posted by: BLT on 01/15/08 at 11:48 AM  Respond

They are ALL TRAINEES. Every president and every CEO is a trainee unless they have been there for many years. What you have to look at is political will. The Clintons are only interested in themselves and their "friends." Look at how much wealth they gained while in office and the source of that wealth. They were not wealthy people when they came in. The president only makes $400,000 a year. People do not read and so don't even know how harmful the Clintons were to Black people here and all over the world. The trade policies put forward by the Clinton administration DESTROYED African nations, South American and Central American nations, and Black farmers all over the world. They were directly responsible for putting so many Black men in jail and for longer periods of time by stiffening penalties for minor offenses. They took out the welfare system and put a lot of Black women and their children in absolute poverty without ANY resources. Why do you think there are so many homeless families/people walking around now. The only difference between the Clintons and the Bushes is that the Bushes went on to wage the illegal war that the Clintons stalled in doing.n The biggest political stragety difference between Hillary and Obama is that she will be negotiating your rights and survival away by working with the very wealthy, multinational greed machines that have taken over the world and brought our ability to survive to a screeching halt. These are the people who have made her and her husband rich and there is not but so much dismantling of them she or her husband will do. THINK about it. THINK for a change.

Posted by: Cynthia Belton on 01/18/08 at 8:15 AM  Respond

Give some specific examples because there aren't any. What exactly has Hillary or her husban done for civil rights?

Posted by: Cynthia Belton on 01/18/08 at 8:17 AM  Respond

CLINTON SAYS WE HAVE THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT BECAUSE LYNDON JOHNSON SIGNED IT.

GOLWATER RAN A CAMPAIGN AGAINST JOHNSON...
SO WHY WAS SHE CAMPAIGNING FOR BARRY GOLDWATER WHO WAS AGAINST THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT???

BY THE WAY CHECK OUT BILL CLINTON'S RACIST POSTCARD HE SENT TO HIS GRANDMA IN 1966 DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.

http://serr8d.blogspot.com/2007/10/bill-clinton-racist-postcard-buy-it-now.html

Posted by: Johnson on 01/19/08 at 3:50 PM  Respond

My concern now that the staff for both Clinton and Obama have played there race cards, is what will happen on the subject if Obama is elected.
IF I HEAR IT RIGHT, THE CLINTONs HAVE KNOW BEEN LABELLED "RACIST"; THE SAME CLINTONs THAT HAVE ALWAYS ENJOYED THE SUPPORT OF THE BLACK VOTE FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. If OBAMA's staff can call Hillary's RACIST then what will they call the rest of "WHITE" America.

Do you really think MLK would have claimed he did it on his own? I think he would have agreed his " dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964," and that he would have acknowledged that Civil Rights Act of 1964 " took a president to get it done." HE KNEW THE WORK THAT HE (MLK) HAD DONE AND INTENDED TO CONTINUE REQUIRED BLACKS AND WHITES TO WORK TOGETHER. Hillary's and Obama's staffs should not divide their party on the race card just for the southern vote.

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