A clear "swiftboating" on Hillary Clinton by the biased media with an agenda to sabotage her campaign.

Hillary Clinton is the Margaret Thatcher of our times. Bill Clinton is the nation's "last great Republican." So let it be written, so let it be done.

Gina,

The swiftboaters were proven liars who distorted their own records to keep John Kerry from being elected. Of these stories, the Broder and Zeldin pieces were opinion page fluff, and the Obama fundraising story is a simple fact.

That leaves the ABC News story about her time on the Walmart Board and the NYT story about Bill helping a donor get the mining deal. In order for these to be swiftboat attacks, there have to be lies involved. Which of these stories is a lie, and why?

I'm confident that Senator Clinton's supporters see the media campaign for what it is...an anything-to-slander effort. Another thing....Senator Clinton's supporters are going to vote for her, regardless of anything the media says...and another thing....I really thought I could count on your publication to stay away from trashy columns. Guess not.

To all my political friends: If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination we will not win the White House. Hillary needs to withdraw and her and Bill support Obama in order for us to win the White house. Let us not forget what the Republican Party has done to our country in the last eight years. We need a change! They don't deserve to get back in the White House.

How is it that we are already om the path to Bush like tactics by Hillary fans. The Swiftboating comment is the most inaccurate BS, ever.
"Well if it is an attack on Hillary then it must be because the the media is...(fill in the blank)"
Get over it. She has a ton of baggage. No.
Make that a TON of baggage.

The whole problem with the Starr witch hunt, was, the fact that it was a political prosecution to begin with. If a truly independant non-partisan prosecutor had been running the show, all of the dirt on both of the Clintons would have been brought to the surface. The Clintons are both some of the most ethically challenged figures in american politics, just witness their conduct in South Carolina.

Gina reminds me of those liberal women who are saying things like "I don't care if Hillary's not the best candidate. I don't care if Hillary is a corrupt politician and a liar. I just want to see a woman president before I die. I want my daughter to have a woman president as a role model."

Sadly, they're willing to put up this level of Hillariously pathetic performance when anyone can see that we have a much better chance with someone like Gov. Kathleen Sibelius of Kansas, a much more ethical person who can reach across the aisle as she has in her Republican-dominated state. And she is likely to become Barack Obama's vice presidential pick. If he and she make it to the White House, that'll set her up admirably for a future presidential election.

I voted for B. Clinton twice in the past, but I find her very polarizing figure and if she get the nomination, the Republicans will have a lot of ammunition to fire. Frankly speaking, if she gets the nomination, I will vote for Republican. I don’t want to see the Clinton Dynasty again!

Poor, poor Clinton. She dug through Obama's past right down to his kindergarten essays, and couldn't find any dirt....but the Clintons have led the kinds of lives that do not bear up to scrutiny very well at all.

Who has been "vetted", again? And the guy who is actually in charge of officially "vetting" in Washington, Patrick Leahy - who did he endorse again?

That's right: Obama.

Say it with me now, we can be better than what we are and what we have been. We can look out for each other and we don't have to be the hateful, provincial nation the rest of the world thinks we are. Yes, we can.

We don't have to be afraid.

I'm a registered Republican. If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, I will vote for Barack Obama if he gets nominated on the Democratic ticket - no matter who gets the Republican nomination.

But if Hillary gets nominated, I will vote for McCain. I know many, many independents and Republicans who will not vote for Hillary Clinton but would be willing to vote for Barack Obama based on his record of reaching across the aisle.

We Republicans aren't cynics. I've shed a tear or two at some of Barack Obama's speeches. We believe.

Who has remained honest?

Obama

What "feminist" hypocritcally went out of her way to suppress sexual harrassment allegations against her husband? Who has lied to the voters of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina (my home state)?

Clinton

When considering a candidate, we must consider their position on the relevant issues AS WELL AS their character. If character is considered, I feel Hillary surely loses.

It's nice to see, that even in our information rich era, that the criminal behavior of a former President, and his wife running for the same office, go largely ignored. America is truly the place for large scale criminal enterprise. Waco, Ruby Ridge, free-trade w/China, gun control, the Clinton Legacy.

Swift boating is done by other party members or politicians from the other side that usually pertains to things that are not true.

So in this case you are merely stating that you are in denial and have no clue as to what the truth is. Instead of making an inane comment that doesn't really apply to this article... try looking into it more, or for that matter, try looking into the candidates themselves more instead of maintaining your clearly biased opinion.

Or you can follow your corrupted captain down with her sinking ship...

And don't give me any of the gender card crap. I'd love to see Kathleen Sebelius as the first woman president!
She is a great politician up to this point and is very very impressive.
At least she wouldn't make women look so bad as Clinton is doing.

How is it that most everyone seems to ignore how much both Clintons did during the 90's for the betterment of our country? Sure, they may know how to play politics, but most world leaders still hold the couple with reverence. With children's rights alone, Clinton has accomplished a plethora of breakthroughs. Their personal lives may not be great, but they've done a lot of good. Try to picture yourself as president and imagine if you could have done any better. The answer is probably no if you spent time reading this comment rather than taking two minutes to help someone else.

Hillary is an empty suit without Bill. Take away the Clinton name and she'd be just another lady lawyer from B.F. Arkansas.

it's not difficult to spot a Hillary supporter. Bitter, pretentious and always throwing a tantrum fit when not getting their way.

What's stated here are facts regardless of how many times you deny them. I don't understand why Clinton supporters are shocked to hear what the country and the rest of the world know already. I guess being in the dark so long can make shedding light such a bad idea. Elevate your mind, free your soul!!

Yes Bill and his cabinet did their job and they have been commended time and again. They also did wrong, so very wrong, and they should be held accountable for those too. These cannot be sweept under the rug. There are other candidates with potentials to do just as well if not better without the excess baggage America does not need in the whitehouse.

We don't owe the Clintons jack and I don't like their behaviour and the attitude of their supporters as if we are in debt to them and so must hand over the keys to the white house for the dynasty to continue.

You, give me a break!!!

The article is 100% true and further underscores why Billary must be defeated. Billary "NAFTA & Wal-Mart" Clinton will destroy permanently America's unions and middle-class. Just remember Bill praised Karl Rove to the heavens for helping Bush Jr. beat Kerry in 2004.

Hilliary supporters:IT'S CALLED DENIAL. Wake up!

I am an Independent that is proudly in the Obama camp. Hillary Clinton is a lightening rod for all that is wrong with Washington.

The Clintons have more trash in there back yard then the city land fill.

MSO --

What Sen. Clinton should do and what she will do are two entirely different matters. Clinton doesn't care about the success of the Democratic Party, she cares about serving her entitled ego a nice 4-8 years of Presidency.

guess this all makes us reflect and perhaps rue our lack of assertive support for John Edwards.

any abysmmal lineup and scary future- clinton, mcain (standing with rudy) or obama...how did we get here as a nation?

Wow! Hillary did not defend unions and barely did anything for women?

Probably won't matter to the True Believers anymore than Monica does to NOW or feminists across our great nation.

No one is begrudging the Clintons for their efforts in the 1990s. But that was the 20th Century and it's time for some new blood - a new way to get things done that revitalizes our country after eight years of stunning incompetence by Bush/Cheney.

I am amazed at the Clinton supporters, you just want her to win so bad that you don't care how she gets there. I think how you play the game does count for something and if you are dishonest and selfish how will anyone respect you and your achievments. I used to be ok with her, but after watching her run this campaign i've lost total respect for her and the Clinton brand is crumbling in my eyes. And I was a supporter. You must see the truth even if you don't want to. this is what Bush supporters sounded like for the past 6 years, they just now woke up. Let's not make the same mistakes. Please Open your eyes!

I am in agreement with most of the contributors here that the Clintons are as corrupt as any third world dictator they may court to drive money towards their so-called charity foundation. For more on the Kazakhstan's uranium deal, here is the link to the story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22926743

I wonder what potential dirty roles this foundation may play as a cover up for many of the Clinton's typical, power-hungry, personal-gain-at-any-cost deals to further their political and financial clout!

I remember this from a long time ago. I've always felt it is what our country was about and something I think a lot of us have forgotten. I think Obama helps us to remember what was important about our country, and that together we can get it back to what this pledge is all about.

http://www.spiritisup.com/pledgeofallegiance.html

Even now I bear no ill will toward HRC. If she wins the nomination, I will send her a few dollars and work like hell to get her as many votes as possible. Despite her campaign's questionable tactics, she'd be better than any candidate the GOP could put up.

But I've sent Obama money already, will send him more, and I'm encouraging my relatives in Colorado, California, and New Jersey to send him money and vote for him too. It's been an easier sell than pushing my daughter's Girl Scout cookies!

It feels like Hillary's campaign has been going downhill since the whole "inevitability" thing was pushed on us.

http://www.obamaworldwide.com/SupporterMap.aspx

How is it that most everyone seems to ignore how much both Clintons did during the 90's for the betterment of our country? Sure, they may know how to play politics, but most world leaders still hold the couple with reverence. With children's rights alone, Clinton has accomplished a plethora of breakthroughs. Their personal lives may not be great, but they've done a lot of good. Try to picture yourself as president and imagine if you could have done any better. The answer is probably no if you spent time reading this comment rather than taking two minutes to help someone else.

Posted by: Lee on 01/31/08 at 2:11 PM Respond
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Lee, Are you saying you would hire a sexual molester/ predator who does a good job of mowing lawns to mow your lawn while your 20 yr-old daughter is home alone? If not, why not? What if that 19 year old intern (Monica) had been your daughter? Would you still feel the same?
Just thinking....

Hillary did not buy a mansion she couldn't afford to pay full price for. That would be Barack Obama. The Rezkos bought the adjoining land -- meant to be sold with the house -- at full price. He later bought a strip of land from them. This was after the Chicago media reported at length on Antoin Rezko -- see Eric Zohrn's piece in The Chicago Tribune today:
hhttp://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/01/tony-rezko-the.html

Obama lacks experience and put his 'judgement' into question to buy a million dollar home. That is reality and it's one of the many reasons everyone I know is for Hillary and not Barack.

Monica was not a innocent teenager. She was a calculating young adult woman who knew exactly what she was doing.

Hillary kept digging into Obama's files in his kindergarten teachers desk, while her hubby was digging uranium with his buddy from Canada Mr. Giustra. I think Bill is the smarter one. He dug deep into Monica as well.

Please add to these their scandals: Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, The Lincoln Bedroom Fire Sale, Failed Health Care which Hillary did NOT pursue during the rest of their stay at the White House, allegations of sexual harassment against Bill, Monicagate, lying to the Grand Jury,IMPEACHMENT, Bill's disbarment, Bill being banned from the Supreme Court; Coverup after coverup, lies, denials, spins, more lies. Theft of White House property when they left the White House. I'm sure I've missed a few more scandals, maybe someone else can come up with them.

Billary is a disaster. I just can't take any more of it. Obama can win in November. Billary cannot. The Bill Clinton Kazakhstan story just featured in the New York Times shows that the Clintons have not changed their dirty stripes.

I'm and independent, and here's my breakdown, of how my vote will go:

Obama > McCain > Romney > Clinton > GW Bush

Here's the thing -- GWB isn't running this time around. If Clinton wins the Dem primary, I'm voting republican, despite the fact that I think that the past 8 years have been a nightmare for the country.

I hope Obama takes the primaries, because I think he'll win. If Clinton wins it, I have serious doubts about her electability in the general election, (and actually hope that she proves to be unelectable)

Barack owned up to the one thing that was boneheaded about that deal. He admitted that he made a mistake at a time when there was some question about his dealings that was publically known.

As for the 17 year relationship garbage, well he has as much as called him a friend who got in trouble. These troubles were recent and have no implication or involvement with Obama at all they just happen to know each other.

Ever see the Clinton's be honest about any the bs they've been involved in?

Ever see them run an honest campaign when they saw a chance to win with the spin?

It is a sight to behold when democrats complain about a bias media agenda. However when people start taking to task David Broder, the dean of generations of political reporters. The man who has earned the respect of leaders from both sides of the aisle, then I know the media is right.

Miguel,
Mr. Obama has outstanding judgement, wisdom, integrity, honesty, character, superb oratory skills, cohesiveness, outstanding leadership skills, stability, diversity, and a keen knowledge of our Constitution; he has the ability to energize people of all sectors (why do you think we are having record voting turnouts? It's certainly not because of Clinton.

Clinton lacks good judgement (voted for Iraq war & for labelling the Iran Military as terrorists; lacks wisdom, integrity, honesty, character, has good oratory skills but lies a lot, lack cohesiveness, lacks leadership skills, lacks stability (how many times has she changed her persona, do you know which of the many faces of Hillary you are voting for); lacks diversity, is polarizing; changes her positions, first she's for it and then she's against it; She consistently lies about her vote to go to war, saying she voted to put inspectors into IRAQ. The Bill she voted for was titled: "AUTHORITY TO USE MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ",
that CLEARLY MEANS WAR. She lied about it again tonight in the debate. Hillary is a bonified lier and is not to be trusted.

Also, they are known for their scandals before and during their years in the White House -- Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, The Lincoln Bedroom Fire Sale, allegations of sexual harassment against Bill, Bill sodomizing a 19 year old intern -- Monica, and on and on. Coverups, lies, lying to the Grand Jury, Bill's impeachment, Bill disbarred, Bill banned from the Supreme Court, Theft of White House Property when they left, and much more.

Please Google "THE CLINTON CHRONICLES" Audio on the internet.

Do you still want to put the Clintons as our leaders and in the White House again??

I like Obama. Actually, I'm a registered Democrat. If I didn't like what Ron Paul is saying about the Federal Reserve and government spending so much, I would definitely throw my support behind Obama.

I actually went to see him speak in Washington Square Park in NYC a few months back to support a friend who is a fan. He seems more trustworthy than anyone else on board besides Ron, and that is a good thing.

Cheers.

JLV

Miguel,
Mr. Obama has outstanding judgement, wisdom, integrity, honesty, character, superb oratory skills, cohesiveness, outstanding leadership skills, stability, diversity, and a keen knowledge of our Constitution; he has the ability to energize people of all sectors (why do you think we are having record voting turnouts? It's certainly not because of Clinton.

Clinton lacks good judgement (voted for Iraq war & for labelling the Iran Military as terrorists; lacks wisdom, integrity, honesty, character, has good oratory skills but lies a lot, lack cohesiveness, lacks leadership skills, lacks stability (how many times has she changed her persona, do you know which of the many faces of Hillary you are voting for); lacks diversity, is polarizing; changes her positions, first she's for it and then she's against it; She consistently lies about her vote to go to war, saying she voted to put inspectors into IRAQ. The Bill she voted for was titled: "AUTHORITY TO USE MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ",
that CLEARLY MEANS WAR. She lied about it again tonight in the debate. Hillary is a bonified lier and is not to be trusted.

Also, they are known for their scandals before and during their years in the White House -- Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, The Lincoln Bedroom Fire Sale, allegations of sexual harassment against Bill, Bill sodomizing a 19 year old intern -- Monica, and on and on. Coverups, lies, lying to the Grand Jury, Bill's impeachment, Bill disbarred, Bill banned from the Supreme Court, Theft of White House Property when they left, and much more.

Please Google "THE CLINTON CHRONICLES" Audio on the internet.

Do you still want to put the Clintons as our leaders and in the White House again??

Fricking hippies. The clintons are just ridiculous.. piss off.

Mr. Obama has outstanding judgement, wisdom, integrity, honesty, character, superb oratory skills, cohesiveness, outstanding leadership skills, stability, diversity, and a keen knowledge of our Constitution; he has the ability to energize people of all sectors (why do you think we are having record voting turnouts? It's certainly not because of Clinton.

Clinton lacks good judgement (voted for Iraq war & for labelling the Iran Military as terrorists; lacks wisdom, integrity, honesty, character, has good oratory skills but lies a lot, lack cohesiveness, lacks leadership skills, lacks stability (how many times has she changed her persona, do you know which of the many faces of Hillary you are voting for); lacks diversity, is polarizing; changes her positions, first she's for it and then she's against it; She consistently lies about her vote to go to war, saying she voted to put inspectors into IRAQ. The Bill she voted for was titled: "AUTHORITY TO USE MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ",
that CLEARLY MEANS WAR. She lied about it again tonight in the debate. Hillary is a bonified lier and is not to be trusted.

Also, they are known for their scandals before and during their years in the White House -- Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, The Lincoln Bedroom Fire Sale, allegations of sexual harassment against Bill, Bill sodomizing a 19 year old intern -- Monica, and on and on. Coverups, lies, lying to the Grand Jury, Bill's impeachment, Bill disbarred, Bill banned from the Supreme Court, Theft of White House Property when they left, and much more.

Please Google "THE CLINTON CHRONICLES" Audio on the internet.

Do you still want to put the Clintons as our leaders and in the White House again??

"A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar."
~ H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

women vs men ... realize she wont win if she is nominated... we need an actual strong candidate. Stop thinking like women and think like people who actually give a shit about their country and other peoples futures. her power does not equal womens power

"I'm confident that Senator Clinton's supporters see the media campaign for what it is...an anything-to-slander effort. Another thing....Senator Clinton's supporters are going to vote for her, regardless of anything the media says...and another thing....I really thought I could count on your publication to stay away from trashy columns. Guess not."

That frightens me.

Right there with you P.

NinaK, you mal-informed liar:

"Bill sodomizing a 19 year old intern -- Monica"

[source: Wikipedia]
Monica Samille Lewinsky (born July 23, 1973) is an American woman with whom then United States President Bill Clinton admitted to having had an "inappropriate relationship"[1] while Lewinsky worked as an unpaid intern (entry level staff employee) at the White House in 1995 and 1996, while in her early 20's.

As for the rest:

"Whitewater, "
7 year investigation run by a partisan Republican which showed the Clintons had no culpable involvement in the fraud.

"Filegate, Travelgate, -"
again, no culpable, prosecutable misdemenor.

"The Lincoln Bedroom Fire Sale"
WHO CARES!?!?

"allegations of sexual harassment against Bill"
Which Special Prosecutor Starr could not make a prosecutable court case, and a civil court to basically dismiss the lawsuits as baseless.

"lying to the Grand Jury,"
Who never should have been used for investigating a President's personal life.

"Bill's impeachment"
I'm supposed to care what a bunch of paid whores think is unsuitable to be President?

"Theft of White House Property when they left"
You forgot "killing" good friend Vincent Foster on your whackjob accusations list...

"Please Google "THE CLINTON CHRONICLES" Audio on the internet."

1) Spamming is a violation of the Community Rules of this webforum.

2) No thanks, I can read.

I am going to work my way from the bottom to the top at the point of the last comment at the time of this post:

Nunya Bidness – Great comment! Can you enlighten us with more of your wisdom? Oh, how ridiculous is it that the Former President Clinton is the only President that has negotiated with drug companies all over the world to get affordable HIV drugs to 10 million people on the African continent? (Oh, yeah that is so ridiculous).

NinaK – If you really did your research of the Honorable Senator Hillary Clinton, then you would know that she is the same women that she has always been since she left college. She has fought the same battles and causes for over 30 years. She has always stood for Children’s rights and protections – lawyer for the nonprofit Children Defense Fund. Clinton had the best education money could buy but she chose to do something honorable than to go after the money. She has always fought for environmental issue and now it maybe too late to change the damage that mankind has done to the Earth. These are just two of many issues that she has never wavered.

NinaK, I’m sorry that you feel that someone’s sex life is your business. Former President Bill Clinton’s sex life is between him and his wife. I’m not sleeping with him and that is not what this country hired him to do. And if you remember, the men who screamed the most of his indiscretions were the ones having affairs on their wives. If the Republican Party had not spent so much time going after the Clintons – oh that reminds me they never found anything, then maybe we could have gone after the potential terrorist threats that we should have been focused on instead of Whitewater, File-gate, Travel-gate, etc. The U.S was a laughing stock of the world because we were trying to impeach a President over lying about sex. SEX!

NinaK, the last time I check a 20-year-old woman is an adult. If she were my daughter, I would hope that she would have the good sense - that I tried to instill in her - not to get involved with a married man. If she still decided to get involved with a married man, I would have pushed her to end it and not like her mother – as most reports have supported – pushed her daughter to continue the relationship.

NinaK, it is obvious to me that you don’t live in the real world. When someone doesn’t like you, feels threaten by you, or you have something that they don’t have, they will lie, cheat and rob you to nock you off your pedestal. Just because all of these scandals were brought up does not mean that they were valid. I don’t wish you harm, but I would love for you to experience someone or a group of people to tell lies about you, sabotage your work and do everything in their power to distract you from getting noticed. Then maybe you could have a small semblance of what the Clintons went through while they were in the White House. If anything was true in all of the money spent to “get them,” then why did nothing stick? Come on NinaK; let’s be real.

No President is perfect or completely clean. I don’t want them to be because they have to make dirty decisions that you and I don’t have to encounter. I do want their past deeds for the people they govern to show who they are and the Clintons have done that – time and time again. I see a form of hate from your writings and I think you really need to look at the root of that hate and discomfort for two people who aren’t perfect, but have done a lot of good for this country – better than Bush has shown us before he was President and while he has held the office.

LiberalsVSConservativesDOTcom: Did you sleep during the 90s? Former President Clinton balanced the budget and started reducing our real deficit. The best thing that any President can do to reduce real interest rates is to not have the government competing for the same dollars that you and I do to get a loan. Guess who is going to get the loan, you or the government? The government because they get first dibs on all national saving to finance the budget, thus raising the bar on all other barrowers – business and personal.

Brooks of Sheffield: I know many of people of African-American descent and they always tell me of the racism that they still experience in this country. They and I have serious doubts if this nation is really ready to hire an African-American to have the top job. If an African-American still has a problem getting a promotion, getting a house, renting an apartment, and being followed or not getting service just because of the color of their skin, then all of us have a ways to go before you can convince me that people of non-African-American descent are ready to allow a Black man access to the top job. I’ve seen prejudice with my own eyes in corporate America and in the general public. Most of my African-American friends are better educated and make more money, but they still are treated with less respect in many situations.

It is getting late and I need to go to bed, but I think most of you get the idea. I support Hillary in her campaign for this nations top job. Her past and her present have shown that she is a fair person that will lift all boats and not just the poor, the rich, but for all of us – just as the first Clinton administration did before.

As for this lazy lack of reporting in this piece, there is nothing to say, but the author should be ashamed.

I dont see anything illegal about the mining thing. Its a non-story...

My own irrational bias blames the republicans for all our troubles, but if it comes down to Clinton or McCain, I may have to vote for McCain. Something about her I dont trust.

Tune in tomorrow when Borat formally announces his endorsement of Billary!

To Dagny,

I have to take your post point by point, simply with what is probably one of the most racist things that I have seen. Your belief that because someone is African American, that the country is not ready for an African American at the top job. What is interesting, is how plural the groups are that appear at BOTH campaign meetings, and how well both are doing across the lines.

I think that the point is, even if you might not be ready for a African American, and women ALSO are discriminated against, yet I would not argue that Senator Clinton should not run. I have not decided either way at this point, and I am African American, and in the corporate envirnonment, and have seen discrimination against both women and minoriies.

But would never come, in either the case of a Woman, or the case of a African American gentleman or woman, to your conclusion, which seems to be quite backward, and flies in the face of what one actually is seeing in the votes, in the polls-and that you haven't seen that, is pretty sad.

yea obama!!! yea!!!

She is way too old for running the presidency in Afganistan.

Well said MSO. Hillary is like a venemous viper, you can see the tantrum comming. Power is her god, like Bush legacy is her concerne, we don't need more of this.

So what? She can't take it? Out of tears? It was Hillary Clinton who treated the Democratic Party as if the party was obliged to anoint her President. Neither the Democrats, nor the press liked that. Well now she's got to own up for her Washingtonian Establishment Ways. But she won't. Same as she won't admit to have erred when supporting the war in Iraq.

The chief problem that I have and I think may people have with Hillary Clinton is that she is too calculating, too much of a politician, and willing to do and say anything to get elected. Her vote in favor of declaring the Iranian Revolutionary guard a terrorist organization was done so she would appear "strong on defense" ( remember, this was back when she was considered all but a lock for the nomination, and was focusing on the general election). Likewise, she did not read the NIE prior to voting in favor of the Iraq war, and unlike John Edwards, she refuses to admit she made a mistake. She has not shown leadership in the Senate on any controversial issue that would require her to take a stand. To be fair, neither has Obama, but he is not claiming to be the candidate of experience. Hillary Clinton is simply someone that I can not trust. She obfuscates the truth, parses words, and does everything she can to avoid an answer. All politicians do that to some extent, but after 8 years of George W Bush, do we want more of that?

This election ( as with the past two) comes down to a few key states -- Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Michigan, and perhaps a New Mexico, Nevada or Virginia. Does anyone think that Hillary will win any of those? The Democrats need three things to win: turnout amongst the democratic base, win over independents and moderate republicans, and lower republican turnout.
Hillary won't win over independents, she doesn't inspire people the way Obama does, and republicans hate her and will turn out to vote simply to prevent a Hillary Clinton Presidency.

Finally, this idea that HRC is the experienced candidate is utterly false. Hillary is barely more experienced than Barak Obama is. Being First Lady does not equate to real governing experience in my mind. She won the Senate seat in New York, back in 2000, because her husband was the President and because the Republicans ran an empty suit. She never had top secret clearance, and did not participate in any national security discussions during her HUSBAND's presidency. Bill Clinton is NOT running for President. Hillary Clinton is. Hillary Clinton supporters need to remember that. It is irrelevant what Bill Clinton did because HE IS NOT RUNNING. She is a strong , intelligent woman that is not going to be a puppet president that does everything Bill says to do. Electing Hillary Clinton is not a return to the 90s. Too much has happened since then, and while I can understand the nostalgia for the Pre-George W. Bush years, electing someone because their name is Clinton is not going to bring those times back. Clinton supporters also seem to forget the animosity between republicans and democrats during that time, the endless hearings and scandals. Yes, the 90s were better than today -- but the 90s were also a time of numerous missed opportunities due to the toxic political climate of the time. That political climate has not gotten any better now. This country desperately needs someone that can bring it together. Say what you will about him, but Barak Obama thus far has shown every indication that he is the one that can do that. He is a unique figure in American Politics, and one that does not come along very often. It would be wise for the democrats to realize this and nominate him.

I have never voted Republican before, but if the Clintons are the Democratic candidate - I will. They are no different then Bush, just on the other side of the aisle.

She had us at "healthcare".
signed,
40 Million Americans

how can it be that we on the left,knowing the media for the radical rape-public-can propaganda machine that it is,still believe anything they have to say regarding the democratic nominees? does it strike you that nearly all the negative media is directed at hillary? please do not let these liers pick our nominee again. howard deen would have won in 2004.

you believe what?

myshiba, i believe the media attack on hillary proves the repubs would rather face obama. in this culture both race and gender are disadvantages,and repub election frawd are legion. john mccain is not a conservative, and will draw independent and moderate repub votes that would have been ours if a bush follower ran instead. this all adds up to no longer a shoe in. hillary is our proven street fighter and the best chance to withstand the swiftboating slime artists. a few more years in the trenches will only season obama. america cannot withstand another repub administration now.

I cannot believe some of the things I'm reading on this blog. It pains me to see how closed minded people are and are willing to look the othe way while corrupt politicians run us to the gorund.

Hillary supporters who said they support her for healthcare. Well wakeup and smell the coffee. SHe has admitted she'd garnish people's wages in an effort to force a health insurance on you. Forcing you to get a health insurance does not guarantee health care for your rare illnesses/cases. Obama is right, if we don't reform health care to make it affordable and cover numerous illnesses/cases, then it's pointless. Hillary has failed on healthcare promises since the 90s.

She praised no child left behind then when it was a flop she denounced it (even Bill denounced it today). She lacks the qualities of a true leader on all levels. She does not have the right judgment to do anything.

And her lie about not knowing she was voting for Iraq war was outrageous. I was in NY at the time it happened and Newyorkers rallied in her office on a regular basis begging for her to not sign it. SHe even had some of them arrested. So if her constituents knew what she was about to sign without even seeing the document, how can she claim she did not jnow what she was signing when the title was bold. She is a liar, was and always will be. She is desperate to take the oval office, even lie and cheat as GWB did, and it scares the living day ligths out of me and should scare you too if you still live on this planet. Hillary supporters, by all means stay closed minded. My prayers are that more people see her for what she is and are saved from this nonsense.

May God help us all!!!

I'm still trying to figure out how the incarceration rate of black men was at an all time high during the Clinton years.

"the incarceration rate of black men was at an all time high during the Clinton years."

Do you have a source for that?

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From US Dept of Justice stats:

Line chart of the number of black non-Hispanic jail inmates per 100,000 black non-Hispanic U.S. residents, the number of white non-Hispanic jail inmates per 100,000 white non-Hispanic U.S. residents, and the number of Hispanic inmates of any race per 100,000 Hispanic U.S. residents from 1990 to 2006 (three lines, one for each group). Throughout the period, the jail incarceration rate among blacks was greatest, followed by that among Hispanics, followed by that among whites.

For white non-Hispanics, the jail incarceration rate began at 89 in 1990 and climbed to 170 in 2006.

For black non-Hispanics, the jail incarceration rate began at 560 in 1990 and rose to 815 in 2006.

how can you say you love childerns and then help some wal-mart to set up child labor by working on there board for 6yrs please tell me help me to unstand thank you for your ansewer?how can it be racist when god took one blood and made alnations and god splict us all up when they try to build a tower to haven

another bit of bias from the press against cleraly the more qualified of the two. She has never been convicterd of anything and I guarantee you she did less drugs than he did in his life. We had enough with one drug loving empty information guy, Obama is just another that should go into the religion business.

another bit of bias from the press against cleraly the more qualified of the two. She has never been convicterd of anything and I guarantee you she did less drugs than he did in his life. We had enough with one drug loving empty information guy, Obama is just another that should go into the religion business.

another bit of bias from the press against cleraly the more qualified of the two. She has never been convicterd of anything and I guarantee you she did less drugs than he did in his life. We had enough with one drug loving empty information guy, Obama is just another that should go into the religion business.

No one wants to see Slick Willie back at the scene of the crime again. They have been there and done that...its time to move on to allow Barack Obama to take the country in a new direction. Go Obama Go...

Hillary was the major force behind SCHIP (state children's health insurance plan) that covers 6 million kids/year.

Hillary's health plan would cover everyone. Obama's would result in 15 million being NOT covered. If he doesn't understand healthcare, what else doesn't understand get? Anyone can incorporate $$$ savings into their plan but the key concept is whether you have everyone in the system or not. Obama argues for universal healthcare in 1/07 and then he goes the wimpiest route as a presidential candidate...

Wake up Obama-ites. We've had 7 years of charisma, now it's time for competence to make the change you want. Actions not words.

Obama’s Dirty Tricks?

Dear Sisters and Brothers for Hillary,

Let me call to Hillary’s attention to what is being said about her and Bill and Chelsea on one very nasty pro-Obama website I came across, www.matrix-evolutions.com. They are actually connecting up Bill’s Monica tryst with parental sexual abuse on Chelsea if you can believe it! Whether it is better not paid attention to or countered, I don’t know, but somebody who does know what the right response is should be made aware of this. The beginning of this website, which focuses on the election reads:

We derive our politics from an evolutionary perspective, not from conservative ideology. A mathematical analysis and observation of events in the news indicate that the so-called war on terror is slowly but surely expanding to World War III. For that reason we support Barack Obama as the only real anti-war candidate who can stop it.

Hillary Clinton is not a genuine anti-war candidate. She is your typical self-interested politician who will say whatever she has to to get elected. Recall Hillary and President Clinton when they were in the White House. While they played to the people by promising health care, they never delivered on it. What they did deliver was more police on the streets and the building of tons more prisons. This quite pleased the conservatives and took America to the highest per-capita prison population in the world, a statistic historically associated with police states like Stalinist Russia and apartheid South Africa. Of course, America’s not a police state. If it were you’d have heard about it on the evening news.

The Clinton presidency also ended social protection for poor people, again quite pleasing the conservatives. LBJ started America’s war on poverty. The Clinton’s ended it, bringing about the hoards of homeless beggars you see on the streets of America today. Don’t laugh. It could be you and your family. Wait until the recession caused by the war gets into high gear.

Hillary does have a few things she can be proud of. She is a most talented actress and a profoundly adept social climber, our American Evita. But whatever her personal accomplishments, she is not going to go against the wishes of the money class that created and supported her and Bill through the years. She is not going to stop this war whatever she may say to get elected.

Some people think that Hillary would never lie to us. But Bill also insisted he would never lie to us and is such an amazingly good actor that we still believe him even after he was caught with the cigar in his hand! [deleted] Certainly there is as much truth in this outrageous conjecture as in the equally outrageous conjecture that the Clintons are good people because they go to church every Sunday. Which is to say, in emphatic terms, that one should trust what a Clinton says no more than what a Bush says. If you want the war to end, support Barack Obama.

I hope this information helps.
Onward to victory,
Martha Turner

HIllary can go fly a kite. Obama saved everyone in the United States a miserable four years with President Hillary.

Thank yu

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A clear "swiftboating" on Hillary Clinton by the biased media with an agenda to sabotage her campaign.

Posted by: gina on 01/31/08 at 8:56 AM

To gina: if you think that HRC and Bill are such clean cut individuals, then one would like to suggest you read the information found at this provided link (http://prorev.com/hillaryfriends.htm).
Also, if you also can find the time to check Google (WIKIPEDIA) the names of those mentioned and enjoy the information...and this is who those who support the Clinton family back as the head of our country.
Personally, I would rather have a person whose face is a sign to the world that the USA has progressed to the point of seeing change as a way to provide a clear message, "We are not here to do business as usual", but to present the US as a progressive country that deserves the respect we once had in our past to be forwarded to our future relationships with the world outside our country's boundaries.

that doesnt describe me at all. I love Hillary!

Thanks