The test of any so called democratic organisation is the willingness or reluctance to relinquish power at the will of the people.
When the South Africans feel it's time for a change of government we will see how the ANC act

BoingBoing also regularly posts stories about problems with TSA and the no-fly list. The most recent one on there is about how some Federal Air Marshals have close matches to names on the no-fly list and have been unable to board the plane they are supposed to be protecting. If people who work under DHS are unable to do their job because of a list maintained by the people they work for, what chance to the rest of us have?

A sign that perhaps things have gotten out of control.

There are "air marshalls" who have been refused boarding because of a similar name on the list.

Police states are seldom reasonable.

JP - jinx!

hah, Nice one capt. We must have been on the same wavelength.

The Zionists put him on the list. 3/28/01 Nelson Mandela Nobel Peace Prize letter: “If you follow the polls in Israel for the last 30 or 40 years, you clearly find a vulgar racism that includes a third of the population who openly declare themselves to be racist. This racism is of the nature of "I hate Arabs" and "I wish Arabs would be dead". If you also follow the judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 occupied territories you will find there are already two judicial systems in operation that represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two different approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is not recognized as private property because it can be confiscated. Palestinians are not struggling for a "state" but for freedom, liberation and equality, just like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa. Israel's racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children.” Nobel Peace Prize winner, Jimmy Carter agrees.

The leaders of Homeland Security are irresponsible and choose to argue responsibility after the fact, a trait of any right wing extreme administration or organization. In fact, Homeland Security is an unneeded right wing organization that has accomplished zilch for the majority of people in the United States, as is the entire Bush administration, all DLC members and all DLC organizations.

With the most per capita prisoners in the world, the US is certainly a police state. The vast and unwieldy terrorist watch list, and the arrogance with which it has been used are yet more evidence of this.

First one to suggest how to get out of this fix gets a prize!

Man I do not want to be left out, how can I get on the list?

Mike, not to worry; posting here probably did the trick. ;-)

Look at it this way -- the Republicans have figured out that at least some of those 1 million people are fun to grope in the name of national security.

To understand why they do these things you have to understand animal psychology -- there is no doubting who is in charge when one animal can touch another animal anywhere he wants and get no complaints out of his victim.

I personally know that I am on the list because they really groped me good prior to letting me board a plane for Amerika in Charles de Gaule Airport, Paris, France last year.

So why am I on the list ? I told the Inspector General of the Justice Department to get rid of Alberto Gonzales after Gonzales refused to get rid of a US Attorney who wouldn't prosecute the President and chief council of a local company that were friends with Bush that had committed an act of obstruction of justice against me by calling police on me for doing nothing but legally talk to one of their employees while that company was the subject of an official Federal Investigation which I had opened against them.

After I later went back to the Inspector General and complained about my communications with my Democratic Senator getting messed with -- then first the US Attorney mysteriously announced he was resigning because "the job didn't pay enough", and it wasn't that much longer until Gonzales left too.

Did I get them both to resign or just the US Attorney ? Damned if I know. Damned if I care -- the important thing is they are both gone.

They didn't stop messing with my communications until last week, when I noticed that all of the DNS dotted addresses hidden in my Internet IP stack were suddenly invalid -- seems they were redirecting my DNS look ups to special NSA servers and when they stopped doing it then it blew up my DNS cache because nothing was pointing at anything valid any more (which would have reset in 12 hours by itself without my knowing what had happened if I hadn't had 10 years of Internet systems development experience and knew exactly what was going on).