Looks like IN by 4 without Gary. Less than 4 is doomsday.

HRC is insincere, if she had steamrolled Barack on super Tuesday she wouldn't care about these last little states.

Stick a fork in her - she's done.

The Clintons are likely to play the spoiler role attributed to Nader in 2000 by ripping the party apart. Even if Hillary succeeds in wresting the nomination from Obama, she will have so alienated young, educated and African-American voters (not mutually exclusive categories, needless to say) that McCain will win. So either way it helps McCain. This harridan will do anything and say anything to gain power, exactly what one would expect from the narcissist she is.

hrc is as phony as a three dollar bill now worth buck fifty in europe.

cant be those folks are socialist.

the end of capitalism is near but first corp fascism for a few decades. that fascism includes corp media fascism.

the end result bye bye middle class. we will become a nation of have mores and have nots.

americans wanted capitalism now they pay the price.

12% now care about health care as a political issue with 47 million without health care. that says it all about americans.

The North Carolina and Indiana primaries took place on the one-year anniversary of the French presidential election. People voted a year ago for the guy in the elegant suit with a mouth full of slogans and the word "change" in every other one of his sentences.

He has gone from 53% to the low thirties. Two thirds of the French disapprove of him.
But -- as with Bush's disapproval rating -- it's to no avail. The French are stuck with him for a 5-year term which will end in 2112 when our presidency does.

Will we get suckered in again in 2112? I really think so. I see these immature bloggers using "harridan" and "Billary" and I think : this stems DIRECTLY from Obama's campaign which directs the attention to words instead of work, to rhetoric instead of record.

AlexLawyer:
" . . . exactly what one would expect from the narcissist she is."
Agreed. But you left out one important word:
'narcissist lawyer' she is (her meglo-narcissist husband too.)

researcher:
"Capitolism" is not our problem. 'Hyper-capitolism' is. The Catholic Church is not a crime, pedophile priests are.
Tuna does not cause birth defects. Mecury in the oceans does.
Etc., etc.
We had a nice little economic system, once upon a time. Decades of corruption and inequity has crippled it. But replacing it will be harder then fixing it and more destructive as well.
Neither solution would be particularly pleasant or easy to accomplish.

kathy giannini:
Comparing the French to the USA is your first misjudgement. They get bored with everything rather quickly. Low thirties is actually a respectible rating in France. But more importantly, the French President has nothing to do with our election.
Few people are actually voting FOR Obama. Most of his support comes from people voting AGAINST Billary and Migrane. For good reason, they both suck in their own seperate ways. Obama is no saint either. But his win in NC and near-win in Indiana show that people are generally OK with his defects. Most Americans would gladly vote for the dead corpse of Malcom-X, then suffer another 4 years of bull-jive from the establishment candidates.

Billary is now claiming to have gained the lead in the 'popular vote', by virtue of Florida and MI. This is SO typical of what is to be abundantly disliked about her. If those delegates are to ultimately be seated and how their votes are to be ultimately tallied--is up to the Democratic party to decide. Not up to her. She DOES NOT OWN the Democratic party. (Although her husband might.)
These two states were disqualified for violating the established order of voting, which new order, would have undoubtedly favored Billary and the 'Elvis machine'.
Billary's institutional supporters first tried to bribe the Iowa politicians with political donations, raised through their extensive network of law-firm associates. That might have worked. Except that this scheme was done before (in 2004) and so Obama was already savy. Since he did not have a network of law-firm associates, he set up a pac for the Iowa local politicians. After Billary lost in Iowa, she began to cry foul, until several noteworthy political pundants pointed out her own (earlier launched) Iowa bribery scandal, at which point she shut up. So her 'ace-in-the-hole' [read: cheat-card] was going to be the re-arrangement of Florida and MI. The reason that Howard Dean did not cooperate is that he himself had been cheated in 2004, when Kerry (and separately Edwards) had raised LARGE sums of donations for these same Iowa local politicians (through their lawyers).
If Billary is successful in claiming all the votes from FL and MI (to win the primary), that will be the end of the Democratic party, with perhaps, good riddance.
It may ultimately be better and wiser to be ruled by Republican oligarchs (with learning disabilities but a shadow of a conscience) then ‘compulsive lawyers’ with NO shadow of any conscience.
(BTW:
The Kerry campaign funded $40-million in 'retainers' for the challenge of the 2004 election results. Of course, there was never any legal challenge and those retainers became un-earned revenue for his 'legal-beagles').

kathy giannini is an idiot. Truly the dumbest post I have seen on the MoJo blog.

Still no one is talking about the right wingers who vote for Hillary in order to draw this out. I know at least a dozen Hoosiers who proudly voted for her, but only to string this election out and not because they will support her (or any Democrat - ever) in the general.

Sort of funny really. It is "a vast right wing conspiracy"!

As for MI and FL – F’em! Everyone knew the deal going into this and Hillary was not championing these states till she realized that she was WAY behind. Total hypocrites.

Some people live in a never-ending "present". They don't always see the connection between the present moment and their own past choices.
I happen to accidentally be in a "post-electoral" situation of a winning campaign which was run on "change" and which focused voter attention away from past record.

As Trollstein so aptly observes, people have been voting "against". The French did the same a year ago. Now, they're going on strike "against".

I think it's better to vote "for" instead of "against" and I look at record a lot.

What I see in the Bill Clinton presidency, is a long peace-time economic boom, a balanced budget, a relatively well orchestrated military intervention with NATO in Eastern Europe. I see a certain level of skill. I think that Hillary Clinton was part of that and can bring us toward that.

For me Obama is like Bush in the sense that he has a mastermind -- Axelrod -- marketing him. Just like you'd market a new Chinese or Japanese toy. It's a little easier to see the comparison on this side of the atlantic because as a mother, I would actually hear from my sisters still in the states that such and such a toy would hit France, say, at Christmas.

Unfortuately, our public political life is also being "sold" to us and it really worries me when I see people with knee-jerk reactions. For me, it's so evident in the Obama campaign:
the grip he has on African Americans with short memories, "the new-boy-in-town" infatuation he has with young voters. The problem for me is that this is the presidency.

Let me close with a recommendation of an old Peter Sellers film called "Being There". It really underscores the problem of not valuing the past enough and of voting a "void".

"harridan", "narcissist" "meglonarcissist" "abundantly disliked" "Billary and the Elvis machine" "Billary's institutional supporters" "Republican oligarchs (with learning disabilities but a shadow of a conscience) then(sic) ‘compulsive lawyers’" "is an idiot. Truly the dumbest post"
Is this really the language of the liberal elite?

What love can H.C. have for the people of the US-She has shown,she can lie on cue and distort her activities to gain votes-she has let down the black Americans by belittling them as unworthy to vote(boy have they shown her! as well to have millions of caucasions) enough is enough-if she loves the democratic party and the citizens of the US the time has come to lick her wounds,put the party before her psycopathic will to win,and get to hell out of there!

What worries you Kathy is "this is for the presidency" I just can`t see Barack Obama ever discrediting the american people,the whitehouse, supporting an illegal war, or taking blow jobs whilst sorting out international problems!

Kathy you seem to have a very selective memory. Bill Clinton and Al Gore sure as hell didn't invent the internet or the PC, so why do Clinton supporters give him all the credit for the tech boom driven '90s economy? When I look at Bills record I see the foundations of a number of our current problems economic and otherwise, the NAFTA deal helped solidify the heart land as the rust belt while destroying small Mexican agriculture and creating a wave of immigrants (and a racist backlash against them). Then of course there is China and the trade deal Bill signed there, (I hope you enjoy your sweat shop made anti freeze contaminated tooth paste), and of course a few spots of deregulation in the Clinton years on a few minor things like bank monopoly laws that some say may have helped prevent a few powerful banks from ruining the housing market. All of that is of course besides the vote Billary made against vulnerable American consumers when voting for bankruptcy 'reform', and when we were showed the impressive judgment and insight by Billary prior to the war, and during the vote for authorization.

Another stupid thing I see coming from types like you Kathy, where do you get off pigeon holing all us young people as shallow idiots? I was an Edwards supporter long before I was an Obama supporter and it was because, get this, I read the platform from his web site and loved it! I was in to it because he was the man with the plan that I read nearly all of and agreed with nearly all of, and I have done much the same for Obama. Enough pathetic arguments based on your stereotypes and preconceived notions. One more point on the youth vote, mine is by in large the generation fighting and dying in Iraq because your fool hero voted for it so don't go attacking us because we see Billary different. (OK Edwards voted for it too, but at least he wasn't a total corporate tool)

I can't wait for Ted Kennedy, er, I mean, Barack Obama to get elected!