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One evening in the mid-1960s, Arjay Miller was driving home from his office in Dearborn, Michigan, in the four-door Lincoln Continental that went with his job as president of the Ford Motor Company. On a crowded highway, another car struck his from the rear. The Continental spun around and burst into flames. Because he was wearing a shoulder-strap seat belt, Miller was unharmed by the crash, and because his doors didn't jam he escaped the gasoline-drenched, flaming wreck. But the accident made a vivid impression on him. Several months later, on July 15, 1965, he recounted it to a U.S. Senate subcommittee that was hearing testimony on auto safety legislation. "I still have burning in my mind the image of that gas tank on fire," Miller said. He went on to express an almost passionate interest in controlling fuel-fed fires in cars that crash or roll over. He spoke with excitement about the fabric gas tank Ford was testing at that very moment. "If it proves out," he promised the senators, it will be a feature you will see in our standard cars."


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Almost seven years after Miller's testimony, a woman, whom for legal reasons we will call Sandra Gillespie, pulled onto a Minneapolis highway in her new Ford Pinto. Riding with her was a young boy, whom we'll call Robbie Carlton. As she entered a merge lane, Sandra Gillespie's car stalled. Another car rear-ended hers at an impact speed of 28 miles per hour. The Pinto's gas tank ruptured. Vapors from it mixed quickly with the air in the passenger compartment. A spark ignited the mixture and the car exploded in a ball of fire. Sandra died in agony a few hours later in an emergency hospital. Her passenger, 13-year-old Robbie Carlton, is still alive; he has just come home from another futile operation aimed at grafting a new ear and nose from skin on the few unscarred portions of his badly burned body. (This accident is real; the details are from police reports.)

Why did Sandra Gillespie's Ford Pinto catch fire so easily, seven years after Ford's Arjay Miller made his apparently sincere pronouncements—the same seven years that brought more safety improvements to cars than any other period in automotive history? An extensive investigation by Mother Jones over the past six months has found these answers:

  • Fighting strong competition from Volkswagen for the lucrative small-car market, the Ford Motor Company rushed the Pinto into production in much less than the usual time.

  • Ford engineers discovered in pre-production crash tests that rear-end collisions would rupture the Pinto's fuel system extremely easily.

  • Because assembly-line machinery was already tooled when engineers found this defect, top Ford officials decided to manufacture the car anyway—exploding gas tank and all—even though Ford owned the patent on a much safer gas tank.

  • For more than eight years afterwards, Ford successfully lobbied, with extraordinary vigor and some blatant lies, against a key government safety standard that would have forced the company to change the Pinto's fire-prone gas tank.

    By conservative estimates Pinto crashes have caused 500 burn deaths to people who would not have been seriously injured if the car had not burst into flames. The figure could be as high as 900. Burning Pintos have become such an embarrassment to Ford that its advertising agency, J. Walter Thompson, dropped a line from the end of a radio spot that read "Pinto leaves you with that warm feeling."

    Ford knows the Pinto is a firetrap, yet it has paid out millions to settle damage suits out of court, and it is prepared to spend millions more lobbying against safety standards. With a half million cars rolling off the assembly lines each year, Pinto is the biggest-selling subcompact in America, and the company's operating profit on the car is fantastic. Finally, in 1977, new Pinto models have incorporated a few minor alterations necessary to meet that federal standard Ford managed to hold off for eight years. Why did the company delay so long in making these minimal, inexpensive improvements?

  • Ford waited eight years because its internal "cost-benefit analysis," which places a dollar value on human life, said it wasn't profitable to make the changes sooner.

    Before we get to the question of how much Ford thinks your life is worth, let's trace the history of the death trap itself. Although this particular story is about the Pinto, the way in which Ford made its decision is typical of the U.S. auto industry generally. There are plenty of similar stories about other cars made by other companies. But this case is the worst of them all.

    The next time you drive behind a Pinto (with over two million of them on the road, you shouldn't have much trouble finding one), take a look at the rear end. That long silvery object hanging down under the bumper is the gas tank. The tank begins about six inches forward of the bumper. In late models the bumper is designed to withstand a collision of only about five miles per hour. Earlier bumpers may as well not have been on the car for all the protection they offered the gas tank.

    Mother Jones has studied hundreds of reports and documents on rear-end collisions involving Pintos. These reports conclusively reveal that if you ran into that Pinto you were following at over 30 miles per hour, the rear end of the car would buckle like an accordion, right up to the back seat. The tube leading to the gas-tank cap would be ripped away from the tank itself, and gas would immediately begin sloshing onto the road around the car. The buckled gas tank would be jammed up against the differential housing (that big bulge in the middle of your rear axle), which contains four sharp, protruding bolts likely to gash holes in the tank and spill still more gas. Now all you need is a spark from a cigarette, ignition, or scraping metal, and both cars would be engulfed in flames. If you gave that Pinto a really good whack—say, at 40 mph—chances are excellent that its doors would jam and you would have to stand by and watch its trapped passengers burn to death.


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    This scenario is no news to Ford. Internal company documents in our possession show that Ford has crash-tested the Pinto at a top-secret site more than 40 times and that every test made at over 25 mph without special structural alteration of the car has resulted in a ruptured fuel tank. Despite this, Ford officials denied under oath having crash-tested the Pinto.

    Eleven of these tests, averaging a 31-mph impact speed, came before Pintos started rolling out of the factories. Only three cars passed the test with unbroken fuel tanks. In one of them an inexpensive light-weight plastic baffle was placed between the front of the gas tank and the differential housing, so those four bolts would not perforate the tank. (Don't forget about that little piece of plastic, which costs one dollar and weighs one pound. It plays an important role in our story later on.) In another successful test, a piece of steel was placed between the tank and the bumper. In the third test car the gas tank was lined with a rubber bladder. But none of these protective alterations was used in the mass-produced Pinto.

    In pre-production planning, engineers seriously considered using in the Pinto the same kind of gas tank Ford uses in the Capri. The Capri tank rides over the rear axle and differential housing. It has been so successful in over 50 crash tests that Ford used it in its Experimental Safety Vehicle, which withstood rear-end impacts of 60 mph. So why wasn't the Capri tank used in the Pinto? Or, why wasn't that plastic baffle placed between the tank and the axle—something that would have saved the life of Sandra Gillespie and hundreds like her? Why was a car known to be a serious fire hazard deliberately released to production in August of 1970?

    Whether Ford should manufacture subcompacts at all was the subject of a bitter two-year debate at the company's Dearborn headquarters. The principals in this corporate struggle were the then-president Semon "Bunky" Knudsen, whom Henry Ford II had hired away from General Motors, and Lee Iacocca, a spunky Young Turk who had risen fast within the company on the enormous success of the Mustang. Iacocca argued forcefully that Volkswagen and the Japanese were going to capture the entire American subcompact market unless Ford put out its own alternative to the VW Beetle. Bunky Knudsen said, in effect: let them have the small-car market; Ford makes good money on medium and large models. But he lost the battle and later resigned. Iacocca became president and almost immediately began a rush program to produce the Pinto.

    Like the Mustang, the Pinto became known in the company as "Lee's car." Lee Iococca wanted that little car in the showrooms of America with the 1971 models. So he ordered his engineering vice president, Bob Alexander, to oversee what was probably the shortest production planning period in modern automotive history. The normal time span from conception to production of a new car model is about 43 months. The Pinto schedule was set at just under 25.

    A quick glance at the bar chart below will show you what that speed-up meant. Design, styling, product planning,advance engineering and quality assurance all have flexible time frames, and engineers can pretty much carry these on simultaneously. Tooling, on the other hand, has a fixed time frame of about 18 months. Normally, an auto company doesn't begin tooling until the other processes are almost over: you don't want to make the machines that stamp and press and grind metal into the shape of car parts until you know all those parts will work well together. But Iacocca's speed-up meant Pinto tooling went on at the same time as product development. So when crash tests revealed a serious defect in the gas tank, it was too late. The tooling was well under way.

    When it was discovered the gas tank was unsafe, did anyone go to Iacocca and tell him? "Hell no," replied an engineer who worked on the Pinto, a high company official for many years, who, unlike several others at Ford, maintains a necessarily clandestine concern for safety. "That person would have been fired. Safety wasn't a popular subject around Ford in those days. With Lee it was taboo. Whenever a problem was raised that meant a delay on the Pinto, Lee would chomp on his cigar, look out the window and say 'Read the product objectives and get back to work.'"

    The product objectives are clearly stated in the Pinto "green book." This is a thick, top-secret manual in green covers containing a step-by-step production plan for the model, detailing the metallurgy, weight, strength and quality of every part in the car. The product objectives for the Pinto are repeated in an article by Ford executive F.G. Olsen published by the Society of Automotive Engineers. He lists these product objectives as follows:

    1. TRUE SUBCOMPACT

  • Size
  • Weight

    2. LOW COST OF OWNERSHIP

  • Initial price
  • Fuel consumption
  • Reliability
  • Serviceability

    3. CLEAR PRODUCT SUPERIORITY

  • Appearance
  • Comfort
  • Features
  • Ride and Handling
  • Performance

    Safety, you will notice, is not there. It is not mentioned in the entire article. As Lee Iacocca was fond of saying, "Safety doesn't sell."



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    Dear Mr. Dowie, i am working as a teacher for the university of applied sciences in cologne, germany. in the focus is a lecture "quality management automotive engineering". so, i am very interessted in the video of the burning ford pinto, which is shown on your homepage. if it is possible: please send me the video (MPEG-Format) to my e-mail adress: stefan.bracke@fh-koeln.de it would be a benefit, when it becomes a part of my lecture! Greetings from Germany, Stefan Bracke
    Posted by:Dr. Stefan BrackeJune 6, 2007 4:40:38 AMRespond ^
    i love my 2 door pinto pony wagon and im going to race it and hopefully not burst into flames!!!
    Posted by:joeJune 10, 2007 12:43:43 PMRespond ^
    great research!!!!
    Posted by:khalid RajaAugust 20, 2007 3:43:09 AMRespond ^
    As a pinto owner and driver I am disapointed in your rant about the Magnificent Ford Pinto. You have obviously have never sat in one or driven one. Before you start making false assumptions you should think a little. It seeems as if this horrible website is just a place for people to complain about what ever they want to because nobody else will listen!! shame on you
    Posted by:KyleAugust 24, 2007 1:57:43 PMRespond ^
    It is sad that these kinds of preventable catastrophes occur. It seems clear that legislator's should enact much more stringent deterrents to any transportation manufacturer that knowingly mass-produces transportation devices that have a preponderance to malfunction to such a degree that they become "mechanical serial killers."
    Posted by:Christina DanielewiczAugust 28, 2007 5:17:46 PMRespond ^
    I am doing a project on the Ford Pinto Scandal and this is a great website for information. I would love to see the video of the burning pinto. ryan70@aol.com. Peace out, Ryan
    Posted by:Ryan FowlerAugust 31, 2007 6:30:31 AMRespond ^
    Pintos are the sweetest cars ever made by mankind thenn again so are other cars
    Posted by:Sandra HuntSeptember 4, 2007 3:47:33 PMRespond ^
    Great article, I am an adjunct Professor at a University and I teach Ethics, this is a great case to discuss. Thank you for the information.
    Posted by:CherylSeptember 20, 2007 9:20:05 AMRespond ^
    Hey Kyle, your an idiot. The Ford Pinto is garbage, along with the rest of the Ford line. Its all true. Dont lie to yourself, but hey, I'd be mad too if I loved a POS car and it sucked.
    Posted by:AndrewSeptember 26, 2007 8:42:28 PMRespond ^
    ya i loved my ointo
    Posted by:chrisSeptember 28, 2007 5:43:00 AMRespond ^
    i have a ford pinto and its been more reliable then any nwe car you can buy these days so i think this car is reliable and a classic view of well made vihicles and also i agree with kyle because all this is is a site for people like you to complain and obiously you have never owned a pinto or even sat in one because this is the car that other carr were to meet the standards of. so keep doing your research maybe you will figure out this is actully a great car and probly better then the hybrid prius your driving
    Posted by:brandonOctober 3, 2007 11:02:24 AMRespond ^
    Good Stuff !!!!
    Posted by:Jordan lessardOctober 8, 2007 1:56:37 PMRespond ^
    i feel sad for all the people who burned to death needlessly , because a pinto was all they could safford to drive. they did not deserve to be burned to death , because they were poor and struggling. that's just wrong.
    Posted by:kimberlyOctober 10, 2007 1:02:05 PMRespond ^
    I dont think Mark is dissing on the Pinto per se... its about corporate responsibility and the fact that their cost benefit analysis produced such unethical behaviour... I didnt think that because you love ur car would override recognition of the fact that the company's management itself would act so unethically... but obviously ethics dont matter to some people and this is how companies like this can continue to exist.. we allow them to. The social contract between businesses and society is purely profit maximisation... And its people like this who show businesses society in general doesnt give a crap about corporate social responsibility or environmental responsibility as long as they get their relative bang for the buck. Try saying how great ur Pinto is to one of the people who died in them due to negligent manufacturing... oh wait u cant...
    Posted by:ChristelleOctober 16, 2007 3:44:42 PMRespond ^
    Andrew your the idiot, have you ever been in or around a pinto. My car is amazing, after 30 years its still running beautiful. Dude your just angry because your pour little Japanese toys aren't real cars. Its not crap its called MONEY, MARKETING and BRAINS things I dont think you have. Thank you Brandon for seeing it how it really is.
    Posted by:KyleOctober 20, 2007 11:29:46 AMRespond ^
    I think that you're (for those previous responders, "you're" is how you say " you are" - not "your") doing the right thing by informing us about the potential danger of Pintos. Kudos to you, Mr. Dowie!
    Posted by:ethical personOctober 25, 2007 6:52:19 AMRespond ^
    I am curious if any one knows the time frame it took the recon men to decide that the ford pinto was unsafe.
    Posted by:RosettaOctober 28, 2007 12:07:53 PMRespond ^
    You are a fool. calling the ford pinto magnificient- hey buddy get a life, a grl and real car. something with balls - you know what they are right???
    Posted by:Jason MorganNovember 3, 2007 8:11:41 AMRespond ^
    However, a 1991 law review paper by Gary Schwartz [2], argued that the case against the Pinto was less clear-cut than commonly supposed. Only 27 people ever died in Pinto fires. Given the Pinto's production figures (over 3 million built), this was no worse than typical for the time. Schwartz argued that the car was no more fire-prone than other cars of the time, that its fatality rates were lower than comparably sized imported automobiles, and that the supposed "smoking gun" document that plaintiffs claimed showed Ford's callousness in designing the Pinto was a document based on National Highway Traffic Safety Administration regulations about the value of a human life rather than a document used to design the Pinto. 3,127,322 Pintos were built and sold from 1971-1980 And only 27 ever Blew up! Ford was overselling all the competition with this car and it had to be stopped at all costs.
    Posted by:NormNovember 6, 2007 1:49:31 PMRespond ^
    i like ford trucks tha what they make good so they need to do that the pinto was a bad idea it killed people and caught on fire
    Posted by:bobbyNovember 13, 2007 7:55:37 AMRespond ^
    im doing a report about the ford pinto, and this article helps me a lot, i hope tht ford can make a different unit of pinto where the gas tank is placed not in the rear part of the car.
    Posted by:dmNovember 17, 2007 1:21:01 AMRespond ^
    i hope i can have my own Ford Pinto where the gas tank is not placed in the rear part of the car. when i first saw the pinto, for me its an excellent muscle car
    Posted by:Don Mark AquinoNovember 17, 2007 1:27:18 AMRespond ^
    When I was growing up back in the '70's, my mom had a yellow Pinto Squire 2-door wagon with black vinyl interior and faux wood paneling. It wasn't her choice, she got it in my parent's divorce settlement. Dad got the Lincoln Continental. Lucky him. That Pinto was an absolute abomination. Worst. Car. Ever. It had a habit of stalling and/or overheating so badly and so often that the tow truck drivers knew us by first name. The air conditioner hardly ever worked (we lived in Miami, so a functioning a/c was important). After less than two years (and probably less than 10,000 miles), she had had enough of that unreliable piece of junk, and bought a shiny new 1979 Datsun (before they were "Nissan") 280ZX and never looked back. The "Z" was head and shoulders above, light years beyond, hands-down, without question a billion times better than the Pinto. I know there are a lot of Pinto fans out there, and my question is, why? For all that is good and right in the world, how could you possibly be a fan of that car? The concept of the Pinto was good for Ford (a smaller, slightly sporty compact car with good mileage), but the execution was absolutely horrible. The Japanese and German cars of the time are SO MUCH BETTER than the Pinto (and American cars in general), and markedly safer, too. Remember: FORD means Fix Or Repair Daily.
    Posted by:Lando CalrissianDecember 11, 2007 9:48:16 AMRespond ^
    Thanks for having the article from 1977 on your website. I'm writing an essay on ineffective decision making leading to organisational disasters and the article has been extremely useful. This was a fantastic piece of journalism.
    Posted by:RossDecember 12, 2007 11:36:53 AMRespond ^
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    Posted by:moderatorDecember 21, 2007 8:46:31 AMRespond ^
    Beam me up Scotty,No intelligent life here.
    Posted by:pinteraDecember 22, 2007 8:56:06 AMRespond ^
    i love my old 1974 pinto, i won't give it up for nothing. you people need to get a life, geez, if you put into saving the homeless, or curing cancer, or other more important things in this screwed up world that you do in saving the world from a mean old auto company then it would be no time at all those things would be gone. you tree huggers really are to much. kiss a tree's ass for me.
    Posted by:jda1961December 29, 2007 1:30:30 AMRespond ^
    Actually, the exhaust pipe ofvirtually all vehicles powered by the internal combustion engines emit gas and therefore would tend to "blow" as opposed to "suck" which I believe is what true Pintolovers desire. The gear shift theory however, certainly holds water.
    Posted by:Automotive EngineerJanuary 2, 2008 2:04:08 PMRespond ^
    Hi Kyle, As a Pinto owner for 19 years ( an inheritance from my uncle, the original owner who bought it new in 73) I fully agree with you. It is a sporty, fun car that, now because of its rarity and possible notoriety, is making a big splash on the car show scene. The car has had a bum rap ... it's the Ford Motor Company and those responsible for creating the "problem" that should have taken the rap and paid the price of infamy rather than getting bonuses and positions of greater prominence in the automotive industry. I love my Runabout and plan on passing it on to our next generation.
    Posted by:Rishard MetcalfeJanuary 3, 2008 11:01:04 AMRespond ^
    I got a Pinto 1978 model I never had accident, car is only 67000 Km, but not very good construction,light quality,rust easily,I am looking to change the tank. which one. EDG.SON@HOTMAIL.COM
    Posted by:E.SongJanuary 25, 2008 7:59:43 PMRespond ^
    A classic example of journalism at its best. But some responses to it are also classic examples: of the awesome stupidity of too many consumers. Does it need explaining to them that the article was not saying the Pinto is unreliable, poor on mileage, ugly to look at? Does it need explaining that the article was not saying a Pinto owner has no taste when it comes to cars? Apparently it does. Incapable of understanding one iota of the content of the article, these fools -- which is all they are -- not only represent exactly the kind of moron which unscrupulous companies depend upon for commercial success. They're also the reason why those companies get away with putting profit before human life. Stupid is as stupid gets. But what a shame for the rest of us whose lives are made all the more vulnerable because of the dumb passivity of people whose only response to this article was: 'Hey! Don't knock my Pinto! It's the best car I've ever had!'
    Posted by:HowardFebruary 14, 2008 12:50:05 AMRespond ^
    Following on from an earlier post, I have no wish to embark on a de-mythologising of the de-mythologising lecture delivered in November, 1990, by Gary Schwartz, Professor of Law, UCLA, and subsequently published by Rutgers School of Law. Yet it has to be said – contrary to so much of the uncritical endorsement given elsewhere -- that Schwartz’s ‘The Myth of the Ford Pinto Case’ is anything but coherent, despite the scale of research which informs it. Notwithstanding the title of the Rutgers’ article, the following statements were made by Schwartz himself in his lecture and repeated in the article: “It is now time to sum up. . . even if the general portrayal of the Pinto as a firetrap should be rejected as false, a limited core of the firetrap myth seems fair enough: the Pinto’s record in rear-end fire fatalities was not only much worse than the all-car average but was apparently somewhat worse than the record of most (though not all) of its subcompact competitors. . . Consider now, however, the combination of a stronger bumper, a smooth (bolt-free) differential, and the addition of both hat sections and horizontal cross-members. This combination of design changes clearly would have improved the Pinto’s safety to some appreciable extent. According to the evidence, the overall cost of this combination would have been $9; and it makes sense to assume that these items were turned down by Ford in planning the Pinto primarily on account of their monetary costs. It is plausible to believe, then, that because of these costs, Ford decided not to improve the Pinto’s design, knowing that its decision would increase the chances of the loss of consumer life.” Quite how Schwartz felt he could square the circle after that, I’ve no idea. Clearly, his supporters think he did. Unfortunately for them though, Schwartz's assertions -- that a major auto manufacturer produced a car with a worst-in-class rear-end fire safety record that could have been appreciably improved by a nine-dollar modification which wasn’t carried through because the manufacturer put saving money before saving life – go more towards the validation of the original Mother Jones report than any later attempts at revisionism, no matter how well-intentioned that revisionism might be. I suspect that more people have quickly read the Wikipedia reference to Schwartz than have ever bothered to analyse the content of what he actually said. . .
    Posted by:HowardFebruary 14, 2008 2:09:23 AMRespond ^
    My daughter has been hit 2 times. I instaled a foam filled 12 gal. dragster tank. Need info. call me 760-665-2316
    Posted by:Fred MorganFebruary 21, 2008 3:13:14 PMRespond ^
    This is why I have never bought a Ford product. I had a 1971 Pinto, and thankfully I never was rear-ended. My parents bought that car...
    Posted by:DavidFebruary 22, 2008 10:17:02 AMRespond ^
    Kyle - Given your defence of the Pinto I assume you have never been rear-ended. Well not in the auto-mobile sense of the word that is.
    Posted by:htFebruary 25, 2008 12:57:24 AMRespond ^
    how about you kiss my ass..
    Posted by:niallFebruary 25, 2008 11:26:48 AMRespond ^
    this is a cool yet unsua
    Posted by:liz hilbertoMarch 5, 2008 4:24:48 PMRespond ^
    I bought a 73 pinto 2 weeks ago did some work on it runs good. Its a 2000 eng. + 4 spd.. I wanted to know how many miles to gallon it gets. So I can park my pig for fuel 79 ranchero.reply thanks.
    Posted by:Fred MorganMarch 6, 2008 4:04:23 PMRespond ^
    What I like to know, is how can so many executives sit in a conference room together and come to the business agreement to let people burn to death.

    I can see one, maybe two executives, but several had to agree to this. I have to give it to them. If it was me, I would not be able to sleep or live knowing this.
    Posted by:JosephMarch 19, 2008 12:27:18 PMRespond ^
    Although Ford executives and management were undoubtedly the controlling mind which orchestrated and were culpable for such crude and malignant commodification of human life their actions are purely sypmtomatic of practices endemic to the corporate entity. The generation of surplus is the sole aim of the corpoation and as such amoral decisions are ubiquitous and the norm. A lack of will from government requlatory agencies to effectively socially regulate corporate activity is due to the fact that it impinges upon the minutae of deleterious activites carried out by a corpoation which enables them to generate huge profits and in turn bolster the national economy.The development of a sociological imagination which doesnt pathologise crime but contextualizes it within a crimenogenic and largely de-regulated market place is instructive in elucidating that ford are simply a 'rougue corporation' within a 'rougue trade'. Excellent article
    Posted by:Will_CMarch 20, 2008 5:03:22 PMRespond ^
    This passage is unbelievable. This type of attitude continues in today's market. However, the consumer is more likely to attack a corporation that produces a faulty product. Federal regulations keep companies within boundaries and these days safety does sell!
    Posted by:Catherine NygaardMay 5, 2008 4:23:46 PMRespond ^
    Kyle eres bien imbecil, yo tuve un ford pinto y es la peor basura que la mierda de ford ha creado,si quieres nos encontramos en algun sitio y choco tu [deleted]ing Pinto con mi bicicleta y asi veo como te quemas vivo por imbecil jajaja
    Posted by:RickMay 17, 2008 7:18:43 AMRespond ^
    Kyle your an idiot... let meet us to crush your pinto with my bicile and and i certainly will see how you get burnt to death in your garbage car
    Posted by:RickMay 17, 2008 7:21:29 AMRespond ^
    hey JDA i had a pinto and i can say that is the worst garbage car in the world, you have a 1974 one? so please come to my house so i can knock your car with napkin and i will see your death burn and i will laught in your face while youre burning in your beloved 1974 pinto jajaja... would you take the risk? please come to my home if u r a man... kiss my ass
    Posted by:RickMay 17, 2008 7:26:00 AMRespond ^
    my boyfriend just bought this cute littlw 78 Ford Pinto for me. I was so excited. We have been driving by it for months. Its shiny red and in excellent condition with on 54,000 oringinal miles. But now that I have read this stuff and am not as excited. I am unclear about the recall and if my 78 Pinto is really as dangerous as it seems. Can anyone help me out?
    Posted by:LisaMay 20, 2008 2:43:18 PMRespond ^
    A riposte to Norm who refers to Swartz law review were he states that only 27 people died from pinto fires despite massive production figures. Swartz is a lawyer and as such works within the confines of the criminal law. He states the relitively diminutive number of 27 because this no doubt was the number ford of deths ford were found liable for in 'civil' actions. Note that no successful 'criminal' action has ever been brought against Ford for the pinto case due to its ability to remove provisons for criminal sanction from from the legislature. Civil cases are brought by private citizens and were the pinto is concerned usually the victims were generally from the lower echelons of the social strata. The ability of a massive multi-national company such as Ford to deploy resourses to delay and protract cases (thus forcing plaintives to withdraw due to spiraling legal costs)or simply to settle out of court accounts for Swartz's ludicrously low death toll estimate. He is trapped within the confines of bourgeois law. He completely ignores the salient fact that few people have the resources to take on and beat a massive corporation like Ford even if the evidence is blatant and damning
    Posted by:Will CMay 20, 2008 3:29:51 PMRespond ^
    plz do some more home work BEFORE u diss the pinto. the 1986 revaluation of the case was not mentioned. in witch they fond the car to be safer than once believed. if u go to fordpinto.com u will find much more neutral opinion on the pinto safety. so rather than argue if its a safe car or not. i will just tell u about being rear ended in a 74 pinto. i have been. i was at a dead stop and was hit by a 2001 impala going 35-40 mph. her car was totaled! mine need one new tail light and the exhaust was bent that was ALL. IF i had been hit by a 61 impala i may not have been so lucky. but then again i would not been so lucky had i been driving ANY small car. size dose mater when being rear ended.
    Posted by:apintonutMay 29, 2008 6:52:22 PMRespond ^
    Your ignorant, read a book.
    Posted by:Your MotherJune 1, 2008 3:28:06 PMRespond ^
    ... "Kyle"
    Posted by:Your MotherJune 1, 2008 3:29:11 PMRespond ^
    APINTONUT- Are uou attempting to be humorous when you express the view that one can obtain 'neutral', 'objective' information regarding the pinto case from a Ford Motor Company website? This company obfuscated and dissimuliated the extent of its gross malfeasence in order to maximise profits. Just how you could possibly believe such a criminally recidivist (Ford-Bridgstone Scandal) amoral entity is capable of being genuine regarding the extent of its homicidal past is beyond me. Catherine- 'Safety pays' in the contemporay world of auto-manufacturing because the motor companies have found a way to make 'safety' profitable by commodifying and marketing it as a desireable feature. The emergence of safety as a selling point does not represent moral, altruistic corporate behaviour. And your comment regarding the effiaciousness of regulators and regulations is spurious. The goal setting and concillitory modus operandi of the regulatory agencies renders them highly susceptable and amenable to corporate interests


    Posted by:Will CJune 7, 2008 7:21:22 PMRespond ^
    well, i see many huge words and lots of bad spelling...in the same posts...I own a pinto...pintos had problems....ford was wrong...its the past....can the bickering and stabs fix it?.....NO. POINT? lets all go to the river and have a good time...the internet is a tool...not a way of life. Get outside and play.
    Posted by:Human 1June 26, 2008 8:53:09 AMRespond ^

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