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Jamaica Kincaid's life reads like an American Cinderella story: born and raised in poverty on the island of Antigua, West Indies; unloved by an unresponsive and often abusive mother who shipped her off to the United States at 17 to be an au pair (Kincaid insists on the word "servant" to describe her employment status); "discovered" on the streets of Manhattan by New Yorker columnist George Trow, who brought her into the fold of the magazine by printing one of her articles in the "Talk of the Town" section; became a celebrated fiction writer (Annie John, Lucy, The Autobiography of My Mother) and gardening columnist; married the son of legendary New Yorker editor William Shawn; and moved to the idyll of North Bennington, Vermont, where she now writes, gardens, teaches, and tends to her family, which includes two beautiful children.

Why, then, does this 48-year-old woman, who speaks with an accent both lilting and sweet, feel it's her "duty to make everyone a little less happy"? Mother Jones spoke with Kincaid about her continuing obsessions and her upcoming book, My Brother (Farrar, Straus & Giroux), a nonfiction account of her youngest sibling, who died of AIDS in 1996.

Q: Why did you decide to go public about the life and death of your brother?

A: For me, writing isn't a way of being public or private; it's just a way of being. The process is always full of pain, but I like that. It's a reality, and I just accept it as something not to be avoided. This is the life I have. This is the life I write about.

Q: In the book you said of your brother that he lived in death. What did you mean?

A: His life was a passive event. It had no shape. His life was sort of waiting to happen. As he died, that seemed to be what was going to happen -- so one could only say that he never lived. He sort of died all the time. It was one of the frustrating things in taking care of him that I sometimes seemed to care more whether he lived. I didn't like that. I also suspect that my interest in him was because I thought if circumstances had been different that might have been my own life. What distinguished my life from my brother's is that my mother didn't like me. When I became a woman, I seemed to repel her. I had to learn to fend for myself. I found a way to rescue myself.

Q: Your characters seem to be against most things that are good, yet they have no reason to act this way -- they express a kind of negative freedom. Is this the only freedom available to the poor and powerless?

A: Of course everyone must find their own way. The characters I've -- I don't want to say created; I don't think I'm capable of creating -- written about, would seem to find their own way. It seemed to make sense. Any other way would be inconsistent and untrue with the characters I've written.

I think in many ways the problem that my writing would have with an American reviewer is that Americans find difficulty very hard to take. They are inevitably looking for a happy ending. Perversely, I will not give the happy ending. I think life is difficult and that's that. I am not at all -- absolutely not at all -- interested in the pursuit of happiness. I am not interested in the pursuit of positivity. I am interested in pursuing a truth, and the truth often seems to be not happiness but its opposite.

Americans like to be funny, they like to laugh and they like a happy ending -- which accounts I think for the sorry state of American writing life, but that's a whole other story. {publish-page-break}
Q: You once gave a speech at a symposium on botanical gardens but talked about colonialism and peoples being forcibly transplanted to foreign soils, and the great cost that lies behind what most of us want to just see as beautiful...

A: Yes. They were shocked!

Q: Why this insistence on provocation and unpleasantries? On saying that a daffodil is not just a daffodil, for example, because of the way it was cultivated, who cultivated it, and who sweated over it?

A: I don't know how to say it without sounding pompous: Why this insistence on truth? Everything has all sorts of sides. The daffodil has this peculiar side to it. The garden has a peculiar side to it, a qualifying side. For instance, most of the nations that have serious gardening cultures also have, or had, empires. You can't have this luxury of pleasure without somebody paying for it. This is nice to know. It's nice to know that when you sit down to enjoy a plate of strawberries, somebody got paid very little so that you could have your strawberries. It doesn't mean the strawberries will taste different, but it's nice to enjoy things less than we do. We enjoy things far too much, and it leads to incredible pain and suffering.

Q: Some might argue that you're just being depressing and nihilistic.

A: Good! I like to be depressing. I feel it's my duty to make everyone a little less happy. You know that line in the Declaration of Independence, "the pursuit of happiness"? I've come to think that it has no meaning at all. You cannot pursue happiness. And to think that this bad little sentence has determined our lives.

Q: The Declaration of Independence also talks about freedom, a concept that has been important to you creatively. What does freedom mean to you?

A: Of course you only are familiar with freedom if you have its opposite. The thing to remember about the Declaration of Independence and the profession of freedom is that it was written by people who were quite free and who were surrounded by people who were not free. The people who wrote the Declaration of Independence were ventriloquists really. The obsession with freedom makes no sense when it applies to them.

Q: You have said that you will never forget "how my ancestors came from Africa to the West Indies as slaves. It's like a big wave that's still pulsing." Much of your writing springs from this heritage, yet, elsewhere, you almost heap scorn on those -- mostly African-Americans -- who define their identities by their blackness.

A: I hope I don't heap scorn on African-Americans for anything, but I do often find the conversation African-Americans have frustrating. I, for instance, wish that not one African-American had had anything to say about Mr. O.J. Simpson's guilt or innocence. I wish not one African-American felt that it was necessary to participate in some ridiculous, diverting spectacle called the Million Man March.

Do you know the journals of Lewis and Clark? Captain Lewis had what is described as a servant by the name of York. York was not a servant. York was a slave. But they can't face it, so York is called a servant. On this journey with Lewis and Clark, York is often used by the party to divert the Indians. York would dance and sing. The Indians would rub York's hair. That, for me, is the beginning of the stereotype of the African-American as the diversion.

The African-American is often used, and has conspired with the rest of America to be used, as a diversion from America's problems. I wish African-Americans would stop contributing to this sideshow. I also wish all African-Americans would cease to sing and dance just for a generation. I think we provide too much entertainment.

Q: What are we being diverted from?

A: Well, the fact that the schools are very, very bad, for example. Or that there is such a real thing as racialism. It's not about the specifics of whether O.J. killed his wife and her friend. There is such a thing as racialism, and one would just like to face up to that and move on. I also think people like Jesse Jackson do not help matters. I mean, "I am somebody"? My God, of course you are! Nobody needs to claim anything. This just drives me insane. How can you claim to be somebody? A human being is a human being. What frustrates me is to see African-Americans behave as though what European-Americans say is worthwhile. It simply isn't. It's just some silly people who can make laws and have the power to enforce them. I'm often amazed at the conversations black people have about themselves. They ought to be having these conversations about white people. It's white people who are flawed and at fault.

Q: You dedicate My Brother to Ian "Sandy" Frazier, your former colleague at the New Yorker. You've also dedicated a book to your friend George Trow. It's nice to know you have friendships with these two white men, who have supported you personally and professionally, since most of your work is about the oppressive relationship between men and women and between the powerful and the powerless.

A: Oh, gosh, yes! You can make these broad generalizations creatively, and then you have your own life. The strange thing about my life is that I came to America at about the time when racial attitudes were changing. This was a big help to me. Also, the people who were most cruel to me when I first came to America were black Americans. They made absolute fun of the way I talked, the way I dressed. I couldn't dance. The people who were most kind and loving to me were white people. So what can one make of that? Perhaps it was a coincidence that all the people who found me strange were black and all the people who didn't were white.

The other strange thing is that, whatever I say in my writing, in my personal life I'm really incredibly lucky. I suppose that's what gives me the freedom to express negatives.



 

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why did she change her name?
Posted by:*****August 29, 2007 11:24:44 AMRespond ^
Her parents were not supportive of her literature, so to sever ties and I guess to avert any confrontation with her family, she changed her name.
Posted by:little boy blueSeptember 4, 2007 9:18:46 PMRespond ^
I think you have a wonderful way of expressing yourself through writing
Posted by:KechelleSeptember 25, 2007 4:22:52 PMRespond ^
ilove youe name i thoght i was the only kehcelle bit i guess not
Posted by:kechelleOctober 19, 2007 7:12:15 PMRespond ^
Brilliant interview, exactly what I needed for my essay, something discussing the political views behind her work. Thanks!
Posted by:SudeviNovember 22, 2007 2:37:07 PMRespond ^
I really admire her strength and straight forwardness. Great interview!
Posted by:LeahJanuary 7, 2008 6:44:07 PMRespond ^
Kincaid made me realized that even though your mother is your mother and will always be, it does not mean you have respect for her in everyway. Mothers often disrespect their children through the decisions they make, yet they have no remorse. Kincaid definitely helped me express this, not only to my mother, but my whole family. Something I never would have been able to acheive on my own, and it was definitely needed. Thanks Jamaica...
Posted by:PriscillaJanuary 15, 2008 1:25:55 PMRespond ^
Her words make a lot of sense, at first I thought she was just too angry because of her childhood experience, especially with her mother. I sort of relate with her, I am afro Central American and a aspiring author and I see her side and why she writes and think as she do.
Posted by:rguiriJanuary 17, 2008 8:20:09 PMRespond ^
howmanybookareby you?
Posted by:sheniceFebruary 21, 2008 8:34:07 AMRespond ^
I am happy to know that a Caribbean local can see colonialism for what it is and was instead of embracing a history that is not our own. We as a Caribbean people need to be more inquiring of what life with our ancestors would have been like. We find such writings offensive because its the truth and we seek to bury the truth instead of dealing with it.
Posted by:DebbieMarch 15, 2008 5:56:57 AMRespond ^
wow i agreed with everything she said up until she said all white people were flawed and at fault.I have read all her books and i think she is a brilliant writer.However being a white women who spends most of my time in the west indies and consider all of my westindies people some of my best friends in the world also many of them i consider family.Yes i hate that the white man is responsible for inslaving the african people and treating the people that i love that way.But to say that comment about white people was not called for.im glad i got her books at the library and i didnt purchase them.Also now im not interested in reading her new book that will be coming out.I will also recomend that any of my white american friends who love her work wont purchase any more of her books after such a racist remark.DonnaMazzonne@aim.com
Posted by:donna mazzoneMarch 23, 2008 10:36:09 AMRespond ^
This comment is for Jamaica Kincaid. As I read her story in the AARP magazine of May and June 2008, I felt that Miss Kincaid was and is a bitter person toward her mother probably because her mother was speaking the truth. In any event, to overcome any hostility that she has harbored for many years, Miss Kincaid needs to forgive her mother for anything that the mother may have done. In addition, she also needs to forgive herself and then her life will be fulfilled. Too bad she did not forgive her mother before she died, but she can still do that now through our good God. Had she done this the last time she saw her mother, she would not have had to write this article. When one does not forgive others and himself, then that person will always have a cancer eating at their whole being.

I submit herewith a Forgiveness Prayer that I have sent to many people. I hope this prayer also helps Miss Kincaid. I know this prayer is long but it is well worth reading.

FORGIVENESS PRAYER

John 15:12: This is my commandment. Love one another as I have loved you.

Forgiveness is an act of the will, a choice, not a feeling. If we pray for a person, we can be
assured that we have forgiven that person.
To help accept an individual and open ourselves to a particular person more, visualize this person with the Lord and say to the Lord, "I love him because You love him."
Forgiveness is a life-long obligation. Every day we need to forgive those who have hurt us.
Lord, I ask today to forgive everyone in my life. I know that You will give me the strength to forgive, and I thank You that You love me more than I love myself and want my happiness more than I desire it for myself.
Father, I forgive You for the times death has come into my family, hard times, financial defaulters, or that I thought those were punishments sent by You and people said, "It is God's will," and I became bitter and resentful toward You. Purify my heart and mind today.
Lord, I forgive myself for my sins, faults and failings, for all that is bad in myself or that I think is bad, I forgive myself for any delving in superstition; using Ouija boards, horoscopes, going to séances, using fortune telling or wearing lucky charms. I reject all of that superstition and choose you alone as my Lord and Savior. Fill me with Your Holy Spirit.
I further forgive myself for taking Your name in vain, not worshipping You by attending church, for hurting my parents, getting drunk, for sins against purity, bad books, bad movies, fornication, adultery, homosexuality. You have forgiven me and today I forgive myself. Also for abortion, stealing, lying, defrauding, hurting people's reputation, I forgive myself.
I truly forgive my mother. I forgive her for all the times she hurt me. She resented me. She was angry with me and for all the times she punished me. I forgive her for the times she preferred my brothers and sisters to me. I forgive her for the times she told me I was dumb, ugly, stupid, the worst of the children, or that I cost the family a lot of money. I also forgive her for the times she told me I was unwanted, was accident, a mistake or not what she expected.
I forgive my father. I forgive him for any non-support, and lack of love, affection or attention. I forgive him for any lack of time, for not giving me his companionship, for his drinking, arguing and fighting with my mother or the other children. For his severe punishments, for desertion, for being away from home, for divorcing my mother or for any running around he did, I do forgive him.
Lord, I extend forgiveness to my sisters and brothers. I forgive those who rejected me, lied about me, hated me, resented me, and competed for my parents' love, those who hurt me, who physically harmed me. For those who were too severe on me, punished me or made my life unpleasant in any way, I do forgive them.
Lord, I forgive my spouse for lack of love, affection, consideration, support, attention, communication; for faults, failing, weaknesses and those other acts or words that hurt or disturb me.
Lord, I forgive my children for their lack of respect, obedience, love, attention, support, warmth, and understanding; for their bad habits, falling away from the church, and for any and all bad actions which disturb me.
My God, I forgive my in-laws and other relatives who treat my family with a lack of love. For all of their words, thoughts, actions or omissions which injure and cause pain, I forgive them.
Lord, I forgive my relatives who have interfered in our family, been possessive of my parents who may have caused or turned one parent against the other.
Lord, help me to forgive my co-workers who are disagreeable or make life miserable for me. For those who push their work off on me, gossip about me, will not cooperate with me, those who attempt to take my job, I do forgive them.
I forgive my neighbors, Lord, for all of their noise, letting their property run down, not tying up their dogs that run through my yard, not taking in their trash barrels, being prejudiced and running down the neighborhood, I do forgive them.
I now forgive all ministers, rabbis, priests, nuns, synagogues, temples, parishes and all religious organization for their lack of support, affirmation, bad sermons, pettiness, lack of friendliness, not providing me or my family with the inspiration we needed and for any hurts they may have inflicted on me or my family, even in the distant past. I forgive them today.
Lord, I forgive all those who are of different persuasions, those of opposite political views who have attacked me, ridiculed me, economically hurt me.
I forgive those of different religious denominations who have tried to convert me, harassed me, attacked me, argued with me, and who have tried to force their views on me.
Lord I forgive those who have harmed me ethnically, have discriminated against me, mocked me, made jokes about my race or nationality, hurt my family physically, emotionally or spiritually, economically, I do forgive them today.
Lord I forgive all professional people who have hurt me in any way: doctors, nurses, lawyers, judges, politicians and civil servants. I forgive all service people, policemen, firemen, bus drivers, hospital workers and especially repairmen who have taken advantage of me in their work.
Lord, I forgive my employer for not paying me enough money, for not appreciating my work, for being unkind and unreasonable with me, for being angry, unfriendly, for not promoting me, and for not complimenting me on my work.
Lord, I forgive my school teachers and instructors of the past as well as the present. For those who punished me, humiliated me, insulted me, treated me unjustly, made fun of me, called me names, made me stay after school unjustly, I truly forgive them.
Lord, I forgive my friends who have let me down, lost contact with me, do not support me, and were not available when I needed help, borrowed money and did not return it and gossiped about me.
Lord, I especially pray for the grace of forgiveness for the one person in my life that has hurt me the most. I ask to forgive anyone who I consider my greatest enemy, the one who is the hardest to forgive or the one who I said I would never forgive.
Lord, I beg pardon of all these people for any hurt I have inflicted on them, especially my mother and father, and my marriage partner. I am especially sorry for the greatest hurts I have inflicted on each of them.
Thank you, Lord, that I am being freed of the evil of not forgiving. Let Your Holy Spirit fill me with light and let every dark area of my mind be enlightened with Your love.
Lord, forgive me for being angry with You. I forgive myself.
John 15:12: This is my commandment. Love one another as I have loved you.

Posted by:LeeMay 14, 2008 8:44:21 AMRespond ^
Donna Mazzone, your comments were nice but your English is horrific! You need to go to a school that teaches ESL.
Posted by:LCMay 14, 2008 9:02:29 AMRespond ^
Rguiri,your comments were nice too, but your English is horrific! You need to go to a school that teaches ESL too!
Posted by:LCMay 14, 2008 9:04:51 AMRespond ^
I translated GIRL of Ms. J. Kincaid in 1999 to my mother tongue ORIYA, the language of about 40 million people on the eastern coast of India. As I was doing so, a similar story ran in and out simultaneously. It was the story of my mother admonishing my eldest sister constantly. As a child I resented this in my mother till I suddenly became aware that in some ways, mother was rebelling against the confining society,establishing kinship with my sister- the kinship of all suffering women through all ages- and was actually empowering her rather than limiting her.
The two stories- one, GIRL, faithfully translated; the second, DAUGHTER, which almost walked in and out through the translation to keep company with the original story and could be called a trans creation- converge in an epilogue where I have a conversation with my eighty year old mother-in-law about the two stories and re-discover the meaning of A Strong Woman.
I have not had the permission of Ms. Kincaid before translating her story. It is never too late to do so. If I could kindly be helped with her email address, I would seek her permission as well as post to her the story of two antipode cultures.
To me, WORLD IS ONE WITH DIFFERING BUT SIMILAR INTERPRETATIONS.
Posted by:prasanna-hota@hotmail.comJune 13, 2008 12:09:24 PMRespond ^
I appreciate kincaide for her honest and about the real thing and not been negitave about the truth. She is a woman of my own heart, taking contolled of your destiny,which makes one stronger to deal with any situtation no matter how hard it is. God Bless
Posted by:Dean GreenJuly 3, 2008 3:17:02 PMRespond ^
I did not begin to really understand the bond between parent and child until my children became old enough to criticize me with astounding accuracy. Thank you for putting the pretty and the not-so-pretty sides of family relationships into the bright daylight. Sometimes, the truth hurts.
Posted by:shoremomJuly 5, 2008 11:34:32 AMRespond ^
and generally it is a rite of passage for many writers - especially women writers - to assume another name, take agency, what have you.
Posted by:WilmaJuly 9, 2008 9:42:36 PMRespond ^
Some people get a lot of mileage out of being contentious and thorny. Kincaid is indeed a brilliant writer and a person, like many of us, who's suffered. I find it disconcerting that she married one of those from the hopelessly flawed camp, who, presumably, can never be anything else since they were born "white." I also find it disappointing that she can't see how this thinking is very much in keeping with all the low-level diatribe she finds coming out of the African American mouth. Moreover, she was put on the map as it were by "decent" whites who, I wouldn't catagorize as irreducible cosmic evil. Like bipolar artists who wont take medication for fear of it quelling their creativity -Kincaid hangs on to this unfair and untrue thinking about whites (and blacks for that matter) because she writes from this place of hatred and irritation. Focusing on how the consideration and respect of at least a couple of whites (her husband and editors) and the similar feelings that she and African Americans hold about white oppression could be just the balm that she needs to shift to a better place, psychologically.
Posted by:WilmaJuly 9, 2008 10:04:28 PMRespond ^
you are AMERICAN! NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS!
Posted by:hlSeptember 18, 2008 4:17:45 PMRespond ^
SHe is a terrible writer
Posted by:benSeptember 30, 2008 2:00:33 PMRespond ^

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