The emotion embedded in the images in the images of this essay would fill volumnes if could be put inot words. They are an incredible mix, from the image of mix-gender dating to the tiny girl being prepared for burial. If the main stream media would publish such telling images of war, not only the one we're fighting in Iraq, but those in other places, perhaps we'd see many more men and women take a position against settling differences by the use of deadly force.
Posted by:John in CalistogaNovember 8, 2007 10:00:02 AMRespond ^
Nawar, do you live in Iraq? Your note says thanks for being a fair witness. Our government says many great or good things are also being done in Iraq ... which is not evident in these photos. Are good things being done there by Americans?
Posted by:John in CalistogaNovember 8, 2007 4:46:51 PMRespond ^
We will fight untill every American invader is dead God is Great
Death, murder and slaughter by an evil George W Bush and his band of fellow war mongering perverts. When will America wake up and demand this evil bastard is dragged by his hair to The Hague and put on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity, a world Court Trial and if convicted George W Bush and his band of evilness should receive the same judged act.
Death, murder and slaughter by an evil George W Bush and his band of fellow war mongering perverts. When will America wake up and demand this evil bastard is dragged by his hair to The Hague and put on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity, a world Court Trial. If convicted George W Bush and his band of evilness should receive the same judged act for their evilness and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT IRAQI!
Drag that evil bastard out of Americas White House along with his hate filled angry pal Dicky. Fry their asses!
This is a horribly sad image and I am sad for who knew and loved this little child. I pray that such killing ends, that all people in places will see the need for peace and for an end to war. War is to be blamed on many, on both sides. It is time to put anger and mistrust aside on both sides and work to end the killing, death and distruction.
My daughter is the same age as this young girl. There are no words to describe the anger I felt towards our so called, "President" and the incredible sadness I felt for the family of this young child knowing that her life was ended when it was only just beginning. How many more lives shall the Bush killing machine take, how many more potential voices of peace shall be silenced until we all realize we are all related and should strive to find our sameness and embrace our differences.
Posted by:Marilynn in ColoradoNovember 15, 2007 7:48:31 AMRespond ^
The United States of America has 100 Senators and more than 400 members in the House of Representatives. Does anyone think that it is right to blame this war solely on President Bush?
I feel so sad for this little girl, who probably had little idea what of what this war is all about.
I AM A MUSLIM AND I AM PROUD, HOWEVER I BELIEVE IN EQUALITY IN EVER WAY. I AM ONLY 15 YRS OF AGE BUT I AM SO INTO POLITICS , WAR AND ,HATRED. IT TEARS ME APART TO SEE THESE IMAGES , ITS UNBELIEVABLE THAT PEOPLE ARE CABLE OF THESE THINGS! GOD HELP GEORGE ASS BUSH! GOD HELP HIM . MAY GOD REST THOSE IRQI CILVILIAN " ALLAH - HU -AKBAR"786786.
IF THERE WAS ONE WISH I COULDWISH IT WOULDNT BE A MILLION POUNDS , AS ME AS A 15 YR OLD WOULD I WOULD WISH 4 EVERYONE TO BE NICE HEARTED. THE WOLD WOULDBE A HAPPIER PLACE
An eight year old is killed in a bombing raid, and there is no visible sign of injury to the clearly naked body of the dead female child. What was the cause of death? Where is the documentation? Or are we simply to believe what could easily be more rhetoric against America and Bush?
Ever since the 2nd world war our selves, british, have sacrificed our selves in hope to bring a better future, removing those who would inflict harm on others. it upsets me that the so called superpower of the USA is so careless in the respects of the people of iraq. my prayers goto all those inocent poeple situated within these terrible times.. only hope that both sides stop fighting, as it only leeds to more death, loss and hatered. it is no life to live in, nothing to gain, only to loose for both sides.
This is journalism.
Robert S. Finnegan
Southeast Asia News
seanews1@yahoo.com
Posted by:Robert S. FinneganNovember 28, 2007 8:10:26 AMRespond ^
wow You spue pure hatred for a man you don't even know. The "evil george w bush" is not a horrible guy he is a smart man and is not slaughtering n raping little kids. We as a country of the united states were atacked on 9/11 by a savage foe. And note that since our overthrowing of the tyrant saddam, women have been allowed to vote, walk the streets without worrying about being brutally beaten to death by "police" and a proper justice system has been put in place replacing the old system of "hang em from the soccer posts"
"american invader"?? american liberators
you say god is great, but do you really think this is what god wants? i have read the koran the torah and the bible and studied them all
you sir are not a muslim u follow a bastardized form of islam
you make me sick who knows maybe one day it will be my bullet that goes through your brain
You said, "We crossed the lines because we believe it is more important to humanize a conflict than it is to trade in rhetorical truths, or to reinforce easy notions of enemy and friend, which are mere propaganda. Instead, we wanted to document honestly what we witnessed in the war because this is the sole duty of journalists, regardless of their nationality and religion."
Why is it you are only interested in humanizing the "other" side with your journalism? Why are there no stories of the re-building of schools and hospitals? No stories of the cities where the population is now safe to carry on with their lives because they have joined forces against the local thugs and outsiders who only seek violence and disruption against them? Why are there no stories of kindness and heroism of Americans and their allies when they help save an Iraqi or re-build and supply a neighborhood?
Not everything that is going on in Iraq is "fighting". And, the vast majority of the fighting is being instigated by sources outside of Iraq or the criminals who were let out of prison by Saddam who are jockeying for territory and power among themselves by terrorizing the citizens into submission and compliance. Why no documentation of their violence and atrocities against the people of Iraq who only desire peace at last?
Where's the documentation of the battles where the so-called 'insurgents' hide behind women and children while firing away randomly and then slip out into the night, leaving the bloodshed and heartache behind for the innocent victims to deal with? What kind of men hide behind women and children when they fight? In all civilized countries, women and children are sent away to safer areas when men are expecting a fight. (Notwithstanding a few lone freaks such as Randy Weaver and David Koresh). How many battles have you actually seen where the Americans gathered a group of townspeople huddled around them for cover before they began a mission? Or checked to make sure a target was full of civilians before taking it out? Both of those scenarios are ludicrous but your reporting makes it look as if that is the norm rather than a possible abberation. Why is it that a witness provided by the enemy is always more plausable than an American serviceman?
How about a little balance in your reporting? There are good and bad things being done on both sides of this conflict. Neither side is guiltless.
Speaking of ignorant people. Gary sounds like some star wars fanatic who has a very limited vocabulary apparently. ooooh he said death, murder, and slaughter. IT'S WAR!!!!!! Bad things happen, even to good people. The Iraqi people have things that they have never had before even if it is just the potenial to become something better. Something that they never had under the oppressive rule of Sadam. Gary should stop throwing darts at the photo coppied faces of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney he has tapped to the wall of his mother's basement and focus on procuring two things; A life and the facts.
Lance Corpral U.S. Marine Corps
hey now, u have lost ppl and so have we, we feel in every way u do, no matter how we look or act we are all still people. we morn a death just the same as u do, i lost my 8yr old lil bro in 9-11 i know how made most of u are. but war ant gonna stop anything
AS a former soldier who served in that hell we created, was wounded and have seen my fellow human beings torn between becoming monsters to survive or perishing in the maddness, I hope that those we have wronged there will forgive us one day.
Forgive me for what I have done, because I didn't mean the things I did.
Sgt. Jeffery Humphrey (Hon. Discharged)
U.S. Army Infantry 1998-2005
Samarra Iraq 2004-2005
Purple Heart Recipiant for wounds recived in combat.
To "SUSPICIOUS" posted Nov. 22. Are you a coroner, or just HOW do you determine how the child died? Ever hear of heart attacks - even in children? "Suspicious?" You're suspicious she is dead? What planet are you from?
God bless you, Sgt. Humphrey for your words posted Dec. 12th. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that you speak for thousands of your comrades who feel the same. Bush's lies are the reason you did what you did. I am sure God will forgive YOU and others who feel as you do.
To Greg - posted Nov. 30th. You say George Bush is a smart man and I assume you mean George W. This is, without a doubt, the most hilarious thing I have ever read. I think you meant "stupid" instead of smart. Sorry for your mistake.
you like mahdi fighters so much the the hell out of the U. S. A. you think it so great the killing u.s. service men stay with them. go live in Iran I'm sure they will love you and your point of view.
Posted by:john j. highDecember 12, 2007 5:39:52 PMRespond ^
Stop making excuses please, the responsibility for the killing lies with the country wh started the conflict and nobody else. Last time I checked there were no Iraqi soldiers on the streets of Cleveland Ohio or anywhere else in the US. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and no WMDs. Who invaded whom Vicoria?????
Stunning. I have chills. Every chicken hawk in America should see these photos. If you can still say this war and occupation were the right thing to do, you are without conscience.
I am appauled that this is done in my name for my country. I have never been so ashamed! How can any of you justify this? My god you war mongering hypocrites make me so sick! I hope these images haunt you forever!
you are all spineless, you use your words instead of action. big talk with nothing to back it up. you dont understand what you talk about. maybe you should take a picture of an american soldier being drug behind a car lit on fire, because the iraqi's are so f**king humane.
I presonnal think you should screen some of the outragious hate comments. America is the greatest nation ever and it has problems but least then all others. Islam is ever evil but the people are held captive to it.
Which country do you live in Greg? -- sounds like a good place -- is it called Utopia? Cos the description doesn't fit any of the ones I've been to, especially the good ol' US of A.
This article gives me hope. It is so important for us to witness such acts of humanity & courage (strengthening of the heart) during times where so many are living so cut off from their humanity as if they are the living dead.
A testament to war. Civilians die in fighting, people who have no true desire to go kill are counted among the casualties. This is expectable, forgive me for my perspective, but wars are terrible losses of both living and material. If avoidable, this is good, and avoiding it is good. But when someone decides that the destruction of all who aren't like that person is the only way to achieve peace or goodness and they count you among those who must be destroyed, then war is a must. How do you reason with someone when they will stop at nothing to cease your existence on this world? I ask you seriously, how? Talk with them? You come forth, weaponless and without anything threatening, asking for peace, they raise their weapon and kill you. Fighting isn't good either, but what is the alternative besides oblivion?
Along with the fighting there are so many opposing people who cite their views and tell of truth in their ways. But clearly there are problems and they are not real facts they are stating. Just opinions fabricated to usher others to their cause. But who is lying, who isn't? Who are the ones manipulating and who isn't? It is confusing for me to judge what is really going on. Both sides claiming the other is wrong so convincingly.
You make valid points but in this case it would seem the only way to balance the story would be to arbitrarily insert another one into it. It's unreasonable to expect that every story should contain both optimism and realism.
There are many good things being done in Iraq by Americans, however, they are not being shared. The question is "who is the enemy and what do they want?" If we left the middle east and every other country in the world and returned home, what would the unintended consequences be as a result of that action? Would they be good? Or not? What would "the other side" do with all the oil revenues? What would happen to the Jews? What would become of the women under Sharia Law? Do we care only about those that are killed by US soldiers? Should we care about Iraqi citizens that are killed by extreme muslim fanatics? Who should we care about most? I get the feeling that most people do not unbderstand the threat or the lengths that the extremeists will go to kill non-muslims.
So you are saying that this war that has displaced millions,introduced ethnic cleansing to the country, killed thousands, left people with no water, no food, no electricity was good for the Iraqi's?
Only thing I see is a formulaic attempt at mind control using the standard evidence of what you see is what you get. Of course you didn't and, you don't.
I know, are country is evil and all we do is kill innocent people. If we would just leave Iraq, then everything would be ok, end evryone would love the god old united States.
As opposed to the peace loving Democrats? Granted, this is the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong country. But what is this war truly about, oil resources? religouis ideology? Is it a cover up for something else that is taking place? Many possibilites, many outcomes. But there are no more honest politicians anymore. If there were evryone would be standing up to the PATRIOT ACT, and other wrong and immoral forms of our government.
It is interesting to read what people have said in these comments. I don't think this journalism was meant to do anything but try be honest. A few comments mentioned that the article never bothered to show the good things the U.S. has done while in Iraq. Was that the point? The point was to remind us, even if it is shocking, that each time we fire a bullet, it has a life ending or life-changing consequence. It is frightening how careless we appear to have been. We are not fighting animals. We are fighting people who have lives and families and dreams of their own. I do not intend to frustrate anyone, but I think this article was a brave thing to write and that when we open our hearts we can realize what an important thing it is to see the good things that people have done for each other. Especially where the journalist was protected by fighters who were no more than strangers. These are the things that make so happy to be alive.
We need more journalism like this, maybe it might show people how really bad a war is. And I read the response the US Marine put up and I have something to say to you... YOU HAVE NEVER FOUGHT A REAL WAR! NOT ONE WHERE YOU HAVE NO BODY ARMOR, NO HIGH TECH PLANES BACKING YOUR ASS UP, YOU SIR ARE A [deleted]ING COWARD! YOU ARE NO HERO, YOU DISCUST ME AND ALL THAT WE AMERICAN SOLIDERS STAND FOR. I FOUGHT IN VIETNAM, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ITS LIKE TO SEE YOUR FRIEND BEING MOWED DOWN, OR HAVING TO HOLD YOUR BEST FRIEND AND WATCH HIM DIE, ONLY TO TURN AROUND AND HAVE TO TELL HIS FAMILY AND HIS 3 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER THAT IT WAS YOU THAT THE BULLET WAS MENT FOR, THAT IT WAS YOUR FAULT HE WAS DEAD. All the men who died actually protecting this country,those are the heros... But, when it comes to todays standards, I guess a hero ain't nothin but a sandwich. may god one day bring peace to us all, for like they say "anything war can do peace can do better". I hope the world soon learns that, for if we dont well... the world is doomed.
I have learned that it is Satan within people that causes such horrible things to happen in this "fallen" world. We MUST forgive them for what they have done or we shall not be forgiven. Satan is the real enemy. Prayer is the weapon of choice when fighting evil even on this scale. Jesus, come back and end this thing! Respectfully submitted with love. Thanks
What a horror story it is as to what is happening in Iraq.
May Bush,Cheyeny,Rumseld and the Neocons, who started this war for the expansion of Irael, not for the protecton of America and Americans, find their punishment from God.
Chris Morgan: "Except for ending slavery and Fascism, war really hasn't solved anything... or has it." For shame Chris, WWII played a hand in taking America out of the Great Depression. War has the chance of revving up economies, or utterly ravaging them, depends on the situation. But either way, war is responsible for a number of positive things. It continues to cause development of new technologies as well. I would love to specify exact technological developments besides nuclear power, but I am not well versed in that area, so instead; I urge you to watch "Tactical to Practical" on History Channel if you can.
ThePatriot: "I hope the world soon learns that, for if we dont well... the world is doomed." Mhmm, we, as humanity, are most likely screwed (and I'd imagine sometime within the next 200 years, although funnily enough many prophecies say 2012, during a solstice, however it escapes me which one).
"Twenty-two Iraqi civilians were killed and forty-eight injured when US helicopters opened fire on crowds celebrating around a burning US armored personnel carrier." See... you play with fire, you get burned. Learn from this lesson grasshopper.
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 5, 2008 11:41:01 PMRespond ^
I think the world is waking...I think there is a unprecedented visibility to suffering and I think many humans are realizing that even though they don't pull the trigger, EVERYONE is complaisant in these tragic crimes. These images should be shoved down the throat of every human on the planet until the killing and hate stops. Shame on us all.
"Twenty-two Iraqi civilians were killed and forty-eight injured when US helicopters opened fire on crowds celebrating around a burning US armored personnel carrier."
They were CELEBRATING around a burning US APC! They're lucky that the 48 injured were not added into the pile of 22!
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 6, 2008 8:43:23 PMRespond ^
Wow. Most of the comments here are not worth printing, much less reading. Pretty sorry people...
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 9, 2008 9:30:53 PMRespond ^
Who is mad?
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 9, 2008 9:31:23 PMRespond ^
TELL ME, HOW MUCH PAIN DOES IT TAKE TO STOP A WAR? I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW. I JUST DON'T GET WHY THIS CONTINUES TO HAPPEN TO EVERY GENERATION, ARE PEOPLE REALLY THAT STUPID?
Just like the Japanese who attacked us at Pearl Harbor in 1941, the rag-head homocide bombers attacked us by flying fully-fueled aircraft filled with people into the World Trade Center towers! HAVE YOU ALREADY FORGOTTEN?
And between the World Trade Center bombing in 1993 (by another rag-head group) and the attacks of 9/11, we had the USS Cole get bombed while it was peacefully sitting in a port, and the Khobar Towers got blown up in Saudi Arabia which killed 19 American military and wounded 372, and two American Embassies got blown to smithereens at the same time in Africa and killed over 200 people, while Saddam Hussein refusing to abide by the peace treaty from the 1991 Gulf War surrender and he was ignoring 17 UN resolutions regarding WMDs and was not letting UN Inspectors inside Iraq to do their job. He was torturing, raping, and killing thousands of Iraqis, and we know he used nerve gas WMDs against the Iranians and his own Iraqi citizens. Do you have any idea how many mass graves we've uncovered in Iraq? And of course, what you don't hear on the network news is the building of schools and infrastructure (clean water, electricity to towns that have never had it, etc).
With all that, you morons want to know why we are over there and seem to think it's OUR fault?!
ARE YOU [deleted]ING KIDDING ME?
Do some reading.
Go travel around the world and see some of the real deal.
You certainly have it too good sitting in your cushy environment state-side, probably attending a periodic peace rally to make yourself feel good and going to college listening to a bunch of left-wing loon professors theorize and blabber on about how the US is at fault.
You so called "americans" (yes, with a small A in your case) make me sick, with your lack of patriotism and automatic default to blame your own country first and foremost. WAKE UP!
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 12, 2008 12:04:31 AMRespond ^
ARE YOU F.U.C.K.I.N.G. KIDDING ME?!
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 12, 2008 12:06:23 AMRespond ^
"Wow. Most of the comments here are not worth printing, much less reading. Pretty sorry people..."
Yo, nameless dude. You refuse to give yourself a title? Are you but one of the masses? Stand up, take a bow, receive the medal!
You pointed out something without backing it up. Any particular statements you find unworthy of the previously mentioned printing and reading? Be more specific if you please. Do you find stating simple opinion in less than a paragraph unworthy? Is it the relatively lengthy statements of emotion? Maybe the factual based information that you don't like? The liberal bashing? The Bush bashing? And sorry in what respect? Pitying people in an unfriendly manner? Is it genuine sorrow? Or do you actually feel sorrow that they dare type down anything at all?
You're a pretty crafty writer JustAnotherFictionWriter, appearantly well read and I imagine with an above average IQ.
Regarding the solstice in 2012 and the end-all as we know it, I believe I heard Dec 21st during a show on the History Channel. I found it amazing at the number of ancient calendars around the world that end on that date!
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 12, 2008 1:07:03 PMRespond ^
wow... this is powerful, the picture almost made me forget that I was at work.
Good things are happening in Iraq, but not fast enough. As the American approval rating of the war goes down, so does the political will to continue the war. Although I am a staunch pacifist, I believe that we need to stay in there as long as it takes to 'get the job done'.
Wow - YOU are da man!
Finally! Someone who put it all clearly into context.
binghi23 - YOU and Debras are [deleted].
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 12, 2008 8:22:06 PMRespond ^
Mary, your comment is sick.
Suspicious, maybe if you had a picture of the back of her head and saw it bashed in, that would make you happy? Or wait, maybe if you had a picture of each and every one of the hundreds of thousand civilians who have been shot by our military or struck with bombs, would that ease your curiosity? You sound like a fox news watcher to me. Keep believing ...whatever it is you believe in. I'm not here to convince you if you're just going to ignore all the evidence.
HUMBLE says, "Or wait, maybe if you had a picture of each and every one of the hundreds of thousand civilians who have been shot by our military or struck with bombs, would that ease your curiosity? You sound like a fox news watcher to me."
The number of civilian deaths is now between 82,000 and 88,000. Hardly the "hundreds of thousands" that have been exagerated. Perhaps if YOU (Humble) watched a little more of FOX News, instead of that leftist liberal Pig Woman Rosie O, you might have your facts straight. As it turns out, an INDEPENDENT study of all major TV news stations cited every single one with being biased toward Democratic or Liberal points of view... except one. FOX News was found to have a perfect 50-50 rating on providing both sides of issues! How about that shiite?
Oh, and by the way, there have been more Iraqis killed by fellow Muslims than by US forces. How about putting the blame where it should be instead of bashing your own country's military, you phuking puke.
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 16, 2008 3:53:35 PMRespond ^
Since 1968, under Saddam's regime, many hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of his actions - the vast majority of them Muslims. According to a 2001 Amnesty International report, "victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings and electric shocks... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."
Saddam even had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered. And documented chemical attacks from 1983 to 1988 resulted in 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.
Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed as many as 100,000 Kurds.
And Saddam Hussein was proud of his killings. Take a look at his statements shortly after the U.S. brought freedom to the Iraqi people:
"The international press counts off on their fingers every Iraqi that dies by Bush's missiles," Saddam said. "The papers make a big story of it when six Iraqi civilians are killed by American GIs near Basra, or when 15 Iraqi civilians are killed in air strikes on Baghdad. What paltry death tolls. I cannot even begin to add up how many died in Basra upon my orders, how many in Baghdad I killed with my own gun."
Throughout his presidency, Saddam said he routinely had political opponents arrested and put to death without trial, sometimes along with their entire families. He also summarily executed countless citizens for crimes as minor as petty theft and "monopolizing rationed goods."
"The race between myself and Bush is not even close," Saddam said. "I easily killed 100 times more men than Bush, not to mention women and children. That's right—women and children."
You people who continually claim that the U.S. is the "bad guy" need to open your eyes! And if that doesn't work, then for Christ's sake, MOVE!
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 16, 2008 4:20:10 PMRespond ^
Those organizations are for disillusioned pole smokers filled with self-pity.
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 17, 2008 10:08:53 PMRespond ^
I have to say, "Did my part, how 'bout u?" makes some pretty convincing and valid points.
I like that line in the movie "The Kingdom" that came up a couple times... "kill 'em all"
I hope that's the path we take - let's just wipe out all the terrorists and insurgents so we can live in peace already.
Hey "how 'bout you", you are simple-minded, as might be expected for anyone who actually calls Faux-News fair (!). The issue is not what a bad guy Saddam was (no arguments there), but why we went in there in the first place, and why we are still there. You are a fool.
ComSym - what is that... Communist Sympathizer? Are you a fan of Marx & Lennin? Great examples to follow and support. You go boy!
Were you awake as Saddam thumbed his nose at his own peace treaty with the US, as well as 17 U.N. ultimatum resolutions? Don't any of you enlightened liberal elitists pay attention to the world around you, other than getting your insight from MSNBC and the Daily Kos?
How many times, and for how many years, should a madman be allowed to commit atrocities, including the use of nerve gas, government sanctioned rape, murder, and REAL torture (he didn't mess with the slap-your-face stuff we use - he went all out on torture brother, very grusome in case you haven't seen any of the results... enough to make me throw up - for real. Too bad these pansy "journalists" don't spread the news on some of the torture chambers and body parts we uncovered).
So how long do YOU let this 21st century Hitler go about his business? You sound like a typical blame-America-first left-wing-puzzy who wouldn't know what it means to sacrifice. What is you heritage... French? It sounds like you'd rather whine & hide then fight & defend.
For what its worth, it wasn't me calling Fox News fair, it was an independent study that was done by a university (and of course, universities today are staffed with about 90% liberal/Democrat... so it's not like they set out to be biased toward Fox)
Go back to sleep dumbazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?February 26, 2008 1:18:50 AMRespond ^
If you would be so kind to leave contact information, support in the form of basic English grammar and spelling can be provided. Just because you are wholly behind the 8-ball today, doesn't mean, without consistent long term support, you couldn't become intellectually coherent.
Victoria - you cannot capture all angles of war in one article. That is the flaw in your argument that the report is not objective. He clearly states he has no allegiance to either side and only seeks to humanise war.
Objectivity comes from reading a lot of diverse reporting on the war, it can't be done as you describe in one article.
Posted by:Godless savage gardenFebruary 28, 2008 3:31:05 PMRespond ^
Did your part for what? To propagate hate, you ignorant [deleted]? Pawn.
Posted by:War is peaceFebruary 28, 2008 3:33:23 PMRespond ^
"Did your part for what? To propagate hate..." Posted by:War is peace
Sort of, I guess. For the past 3 decades, instead of hanging out in college smoking dope, theorizing about world events, and bad-mouthing my own country, I've gone out and taken action. I propagate not hate but death to bad guys from Libya & Lebanon to Kuwait & Iraq - taking it to their doorstep so they aren't standing on yours.
Sleep tight pumpkin - I've got your back.
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?March 1, 2008 1:56:16 AMRespond ^
War is an ugly business. If there were as many cameras in Germany or Japan in WW2 we would have LOST!!! America is loosing the stomach for this business while our enemies thrive on it. Do you think Sadaam or Osama give a rip about a dead child? Well Sadamm did not as he killed thousands of Kurds as for Osama, the battle cry is death to Americans, If this were happening in your back yard...you would not be so quick to judge out military or their leaders. As for George Bush...How can anyone who lives in America put the blame for this on one man? Do you realize there have been dozens of plots on America foiled since he has taken office. Do you recall how you felt on 9/11/2001. The horror of innocent people killed in an instant. Americans and at least 200 people of 20 different nations.
Yep...we ought to sit on our ass and pretend that this never happened as well. Sorry but as the US of A we are the police for the world. I got an idea...let's let the French sort this out. Nope...not intrested. What about the Germans....Nope, can't help. So who is left to police the world? The USA. Uncle Sam. When we leave the region the killing will continue...but the cameras will be gone. Where are the Cameras in Africa? South Korea? There may be a few sick Americans who get off on killing innocent people but as for the 99.9 percent of the troops in the field, they live by the code. Honor, God and country. When someone is shooting at you...you don't have time to ask for a drivers lisc. The cowards we fight kill everyone...women, children and elderly and don't give it a second thought. When you lay your head on your soft pillow tonight and know your family is safe, say a prayer for the men and women in the field and their families. No doubt they would prefer to be at home as well.
No one wants to kill innocent children or women but it will continue to happen as long as our enemies hide behind them and attack us.
4TH Inf. Division
Iron Horse
We found Sadaam Remember???
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?March 5, 2008 10:04:55 PMRespond ^
I haven't seen much in the ways of factual opposition from liberals. If they're this vicious now, this aggressive... I'm scared just thinking of what happens when one of them gives intelligent factual evidence and fuses it with their passionate hatred. Real nice job "Did my part, how 'bout u?" and "4th Inf. Division" Stay American, stay proud, both of you.
www.gwu.edu. If your going to argue historical events you should probably check some actual history, check out the national security archives,the part dealing with iraqs chemical weapons is very interesting.Being a global superpower isn't an easy thing, it comes with certain costs. Say what you are and do what you say.I for one am tired of people [deleted]ing in my ear. Say what is tell the american people what really is and then let them decide
This is a good solution, far better than what I've heard so far mr... miss? ...er... "?" whoever you are. However, like history has shown, what the majority decides could be not in their best interest, let's just put it at that. Unforeseen consequences, certain things the average person doesn't know and perhaps should not know could be there, if the government gives out all their secrets, tells it like it is, we may all be so shocked and emotional about the information we might make bad decisions. However, the flip-side is, do you want people in the background, you know, in the dark... policing and running things that directly involve you? People you will never know...?I realize this is purely hypothetical, but still...
Our military operations have as their object the defeat of the enemy and the driving of him from these territories.In order complete this task I am charged with absolute and supreme control of all regions in which British troops operate;but our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies, But as liberators. Since the days of Hulago your citizens have been subject to the tyranny of strangers....and your fathers and yourselfs have groaned in bondage. Your sons have carried off to wars of your seeking, your wealth has been stripped from you by unjust men squandered in different placesIt is the wish not only of my king and his peoples but it is also the wish of the great nations with whom he is in alliance , that you should prosper even as in the past when your lands were fertile ... but you the people of baghdad...are not to understand that it is the wish the british government to to impose upon you alien institutions.It is the hope of the british government that the aspirations of your philosophers and writers shall be realised once again, that the people of baghdad shall flourish, and shall enjoy their wealth and substance under institutions which are in consonance with their sacred laws and with and with their racial ideals....It is the hope and desire of the British people ....that the arab race may rise once more to greatness and renown amongst the peoples of earth...therefore I am commanded to invite you, through your elders and representitives, to participate in the management of your civil affairs in collaboration with the political representitive of great britain...so that you may unite with your kinsman in the north, east, south and west, in realizing the aspirations of your race.
F.S. Maude, Lieutenant General Commanding the british forces in Iraq
Between this and the testimony of the Winter Soldiers, I am heartsick at what the greed and stupidity of Bush's War has done. Have we all suffered enough? Have the poor people of Iraq suffered enough for this so called freedom Bush wants them to have? Eternal freedom in death.
Sadly she is an additional casualty of the war over religion, oil, and wrong assumption of war in terror. She is just one of thousands. World is a very sad devastating place. Solution: 1.let Iraq deal with its own problem. Stop implementing American philosophy on different cultures and nations. 2. Leave Iraq, but after peace has been achieved and all so called terror has been ended. 3. Fix Iraq through powerful central government and not a political puppet of the America. Even though I am Islamic American teen, I have a desire to establish peaceful relation with all of middle East and other enemy of the U.S. May Allah bless us all...
wsasser is correct. i saw so many murdered iraqis over there- soldiers, school teachers, children in marketplaces when the insurgents fired off a carbomb VBIED.... these pics did not help me. they are my dreams every night, the children, or some IA trying to feed his family, you did not shoot him - you beat him to death with rebar all night- was it fun? or holy? 'allah akbar' did he beg for his children? maybe you went to kill them later, to punish them. the insurgents are monsters, fire at americans and see what happens. i killed three of you mother[deleted]ers in 2004/5. i hope they were the ones who did the grandmas shopping with their beloved childrens children, but i know they were not. what men, do you tell your mothers this, what you did? oh, ok, they were sunni, unfit to live- tell allah that. you used his name to kill.
however, this war is the worst mistake our once great nation has ever made. what kind of madness brought us there? ego and revenge. we sit on the cover of a boiling civil war. we have spent $500 billion... on what? that adds up to $22,500 per iraqi. KBR and halliburton got fat, the schools and water plants blown up by insurgents, the hospitals have no supplies or never got built by us contractors and the us security to guard them. [deleted]ing madness.
but money, who cares? all you hajis and mujahadeen, jihadists, holy warriors and islamists murdering your moslem brothers and sisters. shoot the bomb off saying 'allah hu akbar' [deleted] you, you will burn in hell. i hope you are in the same section as bush, cheney, wolfowitz, rumsfeld and all the spineless generals who went along for the ride. no thanks all of you, for all the insanity in my brain and every us soldier in combat and iraqi child and woman and man forever.
i have lost my religion, my love of country, my faith in humans, my heart. i hope i can find it again. an old vietnam vet told me last year 'it is your turn now'
During the five years of the Iraq War, 13,000 American adults and children were killed by cell-phone related traffic accidents. (Cell phone distraction causes 2,600 deaths and 330,000 injuries in the United States every year, according to the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society.) There were about 215,000 total traffic deaths during the Iraq War.
so here we go... i tell this to every fool like you who tells me "it is safer in iraq than on americas streets" or "it is not much of a war over there, not like ww2" i get it naively from the liberals and viciously from the conservatives- we are winning, with low loses "acceptable i hear" watch a 19 year old soldier die, and tell me or his family "he was safer in iraq, you know, statistically."
let us do some math. there have been plus minus 150,000 joes in iraq. about 15% of them go outside the wire. that is about 22,500. the remainder stay on big bases, eating ice cream and turning wrenches or stacking boxes [note i did not say medics, they have their own hell] so... five years, 4,000 KIA, or 800 a year [may yheir families find some better times] it adds up to about 3.5 % killed each year, the ones who go into battle, patrol, convoy. and do not give me that bs "they knew what they were getting into" they do? you call up their mother or wife and tell them that.
let's see what 3.5% of the USA is, 10.5 million. imagine the outrage if that many people died violently in america.
what about the iraqis? should they just move to a nicer place? or stay indoors more? what are you trying to tell us??
These pictures really open the eyes of many people. As a high school student, these images show what is really happening over seas. These pictures are ones that show the terrible things and they show how even during the terrible fighting people can still have a good time. I can not agree that Bush is a terrible man nor can I say he knows what he is doing. Almost every comment here shows so much hatred. Hatred is the very thing that is the cause of all the fighting. Everyone in the world is so narrow minded that if your not like them then your a terrible person. Some of my closest friends are Muslim and Christian and Jewish. Very Different religions but yet we are all friends. Politics are not the cause of the worlds problems but the fact that everyone believes their way is the only the only way. To all of you I say God Bless You! God Bless Every pore soul that has been lost in this war and any war that has been fought on prejudice. Truthfully every war was fought over prejudice. I hope One day we can see past our differences and accept all of differences. God Bless You All!
Posted by:Nathan In MissouriMarch 26, 2008 11:11:59 AMRespond ^
Comment for sergant Humphery it is not your fault I blame bush and hill for this war. My father recieved a purple heart from world war two when I was one years old when he was alive he felt those same feelings war must stop if these counrtys have problems amongest themselfs let them figure it out or kill each other.
so what is the war about now, it started with Binladen,so why is the war continuing,,,that is what we should ask George Bush! excuse my french but why in the hell are we still in IRAQ! killing innocent people is BUsh brain dead or something!
Have you heard of where in the world is Waldo? Bush! Where in the world is Bin Laden? you have not found him in 4 years,so that apparently means that the U.S. is in the wrong place, killing off innocent Iraqi citizens,,what if Bush's kids or our own had to wake up everyday to gunfire and ambush,,what is this war about,,it is senseless in itself,,,this is sad,,,america ,,sad,,I pray that the new president ,,brings all of those young adults home,,,,
Ok, shut the [deleted] up you whiney retards. this happens in war, if ya dont like hte war, go to france or soem otehr [deleted] country ok ya squeemish pussies? jesus youre all like [deleted]ing women, im sure most of you are actually women, and if so, shut up nobody wants your [deleted], and if not, grow a pair you sissy ass. if she lived in iraq, she deserved to die. all sand [deleted]s must die.
so it censors my obcsenities. what bullsheet. for all of you saying "i wish i could kill him right now" shut up and take a midol you mesntrual dumbass. THANK GOD FOR DEAD IRAQIS. buncha lazy towelheads.
By the way, i dont see any of you little cowards defending yoru rights. all you do is sit on your asses here bitching about how you think this war is wrong, we have REAL men killing these damn terrorists so you can sit on yoru fat ass all day and eat bonbons. yea, some women and children die. BOOHOO your tears wont help them now, will it? no. theyre burning in their own towelheaded hell. where they belong. so, this war is just. this war is right. were gonna win this war and take all of the sand monkies with us.
we really are not doing a lot of good things. yes we make a few show schools and water treatment plants, but the badguys blow them up. no security eh? from all the fat security contractors driving around protecting american contractors picking up more money for more starts...
We were supposed to make a hundred hospitals [i read this stuff, i was fighting] and three have been made, without any supplies, the doctors ran off to syria. the iraqis are ripped off, the joes are ripped off, the american taxpayer is being taken to the cleaner for several generations.
we cannot give the iraqis the freedom, security, stability, the infrastructure we promised. do not give me that "they won't stand up" nonsense... they will be beheaded [or their brother or parents or children] we have given the iraqis a fifth world basket case nation on fire with a few 100,000 dead and the rest stressed out into insanity and revenge. salaam
War is terrible. But we don't want to kill children. We don't want to kill innocent people. I'm not going to argue reasons why we're there. Just to let everyone know, killing someone isn't fun. I know that everyone who dides from the Iraq conflict has family and friends who mourn them and i pray that their suffering, and ours ends soon. I hope Iraq can stabilize because thats what all of us want.
Posted by:U.S. Army SoldierApril 1, 2008 3:15:38 PMRespond ^
Wendy, shut up, shes dead, no [deleted] shes been changed. and army soldier, ive served my country's call as well as a marine, but i dont see the reasons behind why the war isnt right. you see, real men, the marines take pride in their slain enemies. we kill who we have to and anyone in the way. We will rock iraq, so you and the rest of you army cowards get out.
kiss my ass you stupid bastards.how are we doing this.no you idiots maybe if the umm... umm... umm... TERRORISTS would shut up and stop killing people america could pull out but no the stupid asses just keep with the religious killings.and by the way what kind of god would tell you to kill yourselve in benifit of the god.oo and british bitch i mean british citizen im sry i messed up all that the brits do is follow the americans yea thats right us around and TRY to help out but dont feel to bad the french are still bigger pussies.back to my point if they would sit down and think a bit instead of sticking their heads half ay up their ass they would relize the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION is the longest current constitution of a government that is in use right now.which would mean umm... umm... umm... we know what we are doing
im sorry i left some stuff out.yea i feel bad for the INNOCENT victims of war but guess what is [deleted]ing WAR their is going to be casualties duh.i mean we didnt even do anything to anyone besides let our citizens be free the freest country in the world.and how do we get treated the world trade centers destroyed what about those victims they werent even victims of war they were just attacked a peaceful country attacked we try to stop cruelty and get rid of the evil but when we have to deal with retards lik most of the people in the world its kinda hard to do it ALONE. now lik lots of others hav done lets talk bout god god is kind and gentle so why do the people that actually kill a [deleted] load more people than miss fires of us soilders claim they do it for god they kill for god but god is peaceful he wouldnt want anyone to kill. he wants people to be free make their own decisions so no matter what religion you are think of what your god wants would he want you to kill for him.those are the type of people that kill most of the innocent people in iraq right now. so think what is america really looking for.if you still cant find it its peace its freedom its to get rid of terrorists(our main goal -cause if you cant put it together they are the ones who started this with us)
I'am only 11 years old. But when Bush and Kennedy were trying to be president i knew Bush was not good..we only have alittle more time when we get a new president, this little girl is....i cant even say it! this is horrifying! I hope you all know god is with you all....iam american but i do NOT believe in these ways....
Yeah killing isnt fun! but why are we still doing this? just answer that question..why cant their be peace??? it drives me crazy when people say ewww! shes dead for gods sake cant u affor alittle support? it seems like im more immature then most of you writing comments!
not all british people are retarded Mr.Marine,just as not all Americans are burger munching lard arses with psychotic pets.I cannot begin to empathise with your experiences or imagine what your eyes have seen and your opinion is grounded in what is your reality.If a person has never felt pain of any kind then breaks a toe, can this still not be considered the worst pain in the world? to them at least, yes.The point (and there is one) is that the world is composed of individuals who can only reason with what their senses have encountered.This war 'on terror' 'for democracy' 'in the name of liberation' pick a headline....has the unenviable position of being fought in a time when information overload has taken over- now people who would have had no access to every benial,misguided and intrinsically hate-fuelled opinion are forming their own and airing them on sites like this.Have a little pity for those who see with only one eye.i would not insult your opinions by offering my own on a subject i know nothing about.The picture at the top of this page is tragic regardless of the details surrounding it...i am not attached to any religion..too many have died in its name..but i have studied the 'great books' and the one thread running through them all is that killing another is abhorrent in the eyes of God..any God.. My father saw active service as a green beret in the Royal marines and i wait for news every day from my soldier in Iraq and if everyone was honest about the whole thing 90% of the post-it=dotes on this site would admit to ignorance.Take care and may your demons stop nipping at your heels.
To all those Haditha, Fallujah, Sadar City massacre types that said 'Oooops, I didn't mean to massacre you and your family,' I say: The Nuremburg protocols state that the "I was just following orders" defense did not wash then and today either!
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
Note: In Vietnam as a fighter pilot I refused to drop napalm on innocent civilians, no 'if' - 'Buts' - or any pissy ass excuse.
yes fishface i have pitty for them and never called all british retarded.what i said was or at least meant to sayis that europeans (in general that ive spoken with dont lik our position on the war) ive hav read about more.and they all hate the US but they know absolute nothin about the topic thats why i said educated people a genius can come from 2 retarded parents. if u hav read half the people ive argued with they know nothing think what we are do are for selfish reason and are perposely killing inocent people.
and theazcowboy if u didnt drop that bomb and they knew or even thought that bin laden was down there you would be put trail and would hav no chance to win it youd be looking at prison. we dont just wake up and decide to drop bombs on a random city you should know that every bomb droped by order is ordered for a reason
i understand your frustration Mr.Marine,it must feel like you're speaking in a different tongue sometimes.A philosopher once said:do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes..i think if all the misinformed and ignorant people were actually put in the position of protector, defender and obeyer of orders then there might be some interesting points to made instead of random comments designed to wind people up who have walked more than a mile in those shoes.Your specifity on the retarded comment was appreciated.I think it is only a very small minority who believe that the US millitary actively kills innocent people for nothing.Probably the same minority who believe Elvis is still alive and have seen the Loch ness monster. I think we can all agree on something...its mans inhumanity to man that causes most of the trouble.in the name of God,oil,freedom,love,power and supremecy.Take care Mr.Marine and don't let the b'stards grind ya down.
Posted by:Neomi O. ParraApril 8, 2008 9:39:33 PMRespond ^
TheAZCowBoy sez, "In Vietnam as a fighter pilot I refused to drop napalm on innocent civilians, no 'if' - 'Buts' - or any pissy ass excuse."
My questions to the Arizona s.h.i.t. kicker are:
What kind of sign did you look for while flying over these innocent villages at 200 to 20,000 feet going 200-500 knots? How did you know which villages were hiding Viet Cong?
And, after your treasonous disobedience, did you ever wonder how many of your fellow American GIs on the ground were killed by these "innocent" civilians, and would have appreciated your help?
Just curious...
Posted by:Did my part, how 'bout u?April 8, 2008 10:14:59 PMRespond ^
All Vietnamese were innocent as is the Iraqis. They committed no crimes against the American people or government. If they did please inform me what the crimes were. Neither of these countries invaded or attacked Americans. I served in Vietnam and lost many friends and relatives. Vietnam is still communist and the US now has a vital trading relationship with them. Can someone tell me why did more then 58,000 young men have to die in that conflict? Many of you making tough comments about war more than likely have never seen or been involved in combat other a hollywood movie. You don't have a clue about what is is like to kill or see your buddies blown apart and you have to pick up the body pieces or holding the head of a fellow soldier begging you not to let him die. War is not hollywood and it is not glorious. If you kill you live with that blood on your hands for the rest of your life. The Iraqis never asked for our help and they are not better off. We have a lot of innocent bloods on our hands that did not have to be if there had been more rational thinking from the leadership of this country.
viet-vet you stupid dumbass yes im telling a US war vetern a stupid dumbass. wanna know why here it is
if you have innocent blood on your hands thats your fault give me your name and ill turn your ass in. you just confeced to a felony. and yes we were attacked remember 9/11 pearl harbor we get litterally attacked for no reason. wat we our doing is our job as a world superpower thats making sure no jackass decides to make mmd's yes i believe they had them either they used them or north korea took them off their hands.
and once again im gonna say it we have a tiny tiny fraction of innocent citizens killed by us to wat iraqis have killed of their own people. OMG YES i said it the terrorist are the ones killing them we kill the terrorist but 1 terrorist that succeeds can kill hundreds we can only kill one terrorist at a time. and one more thing ive said before --- if they would sit down and think a bit instead of sticking their heads half ay up their ass they would relize the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION is the longest current constitution of a government that is in use right now.which would mean umm... umm... umm... we know what we are doing---
this picture is so sad why would you even post it sick people that is making me cry so hard right now she was only 8 and you already have her pic all over the internet with perverts looking at this naked loittle dgirl what the hell is yalls problem?
Dear pro war guys:
Some of these posts seem so religious, so fanatic that you should change you motto. Try now
"usa u akhbar!" or "bush u akhbar!!!! "
For the repentant pro war, chiah style whipping seems also very appropriate.
But, more seriously lets hear the words of Machiavelli, a real war expert :
"There is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, that to institute a new order of things" .
“Politics have no relation to morals.”
haha holy [deleted] man that was funny and i think its just war man. you people got to realize that war is just a part of life as death, as you can see. we all just need to put the petty differences aside, put the guns down, and maybe help one another succede in the road to happiness
Posted by:a thought for changeApril 12, 2008 1:51:55 PMRespond ^
or how about we pick up our guns and teach the other countries that we're better than they are and to stop being such idiots.
a thought for change u r a idiot you realy need to stop reading fairytales counties at war dont just put their guns down drop their pants and make love you dumbass
This journalist's freedom of expression is protected by the U.S. military forces he compromised, not the Iraqi fighters he describes so gently in his piece. He tries to rationalize going to the enemy side that he wanted to "humanize the conflict." How wonderful they did not shoot him when they had the chance. What a victory for understanding and brotherhood. They were, however, trying to shoot U.S. soldiers. As a journalist his job is to report the facts, not "humanize the conflict," which really means putting his own spin on the story. He could have covered the battle and the complexities and horrors of war without going through the lines to the enemy. As an American he should retain some loyalty to his own people. He on the contrary seems to be more sympathetic to violent people trying to kill their own countrymen and U. S. soldiers. He should be ashamed of himself. His behavior was borderline treasonous. Instead of being protected and escorted by U S. military he should have been expelled from the country and sent home.
James Jerz, humanizing a conflict IS the best way to report the facts. Have you forgotten that the only way we can kill each other is to dehumanize them(and ourselves)? Even serial killers understand that. The brave actions of these reporters helps to save lives. It is why we may stop the killing. After a million civilian deaths, haven't we had enough retribution?
U.S. Please!!!!!!!!!!!! stop the war, YOU ARE KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE, don't you said you believe in GOD???????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????
Posted by:just a personApril 14, 2008 2:45:46 PMRespond ^
US Marine, who the hell are you talking too? who thinks we drop bombs for the fun of it? i mean honestly, you people think were some government killing machines, well, we are, but for gods sake people, you think we would waste our expensive bombs on a couple of dirty sand monkies for fun? hell no. that's what AMMUNITION IS FOR, we don't bomb [deleted] cuz we're bored, however we will shoot some when we're bored, "they opened fire on us", it's all in teh name of entertainment. but bombs? youre stupid as hell.
bias is a huge problem in any arena where the human mind is involved in transmitting informaton.From the childish game of chinese whispers to the journalists reporting on global events.Part of our human psyche is to evalaute and judge what we see otherwise every witness to an event would report seeing the same thing.when a picture is taken it is the photographers decision which angle,what to miss out and how they want the image 'to appear' (an image that springs to mind is one of a large black lady who looked to be crying in agony,her mouth open and tears streaming down her face.The picture hurt to look at until you read the caption and realised this lovely lady was a gospel singer who had been photographed whilst singing her favourite song)the point? unless you sent a robot in to a situation which just clicked randomely away then you will get bias.In this case i think the write up accompanying the pictures and the selection process of images to use were not objective enough for a subject this emotive.This journalist will have controversial intentions probably with a view to securing a reputation within the media community.Healthy bank balance too one would expect.Where are the balancing pictures of the soldiers young son being clutched by his mother whose face shows the utter devastation of loss? or the soldier whose mind won't stop replaying images of the evil he has seen,honour killings,young teenage girls stoned to death for falling in love,mothers/wives/sisters betrayed by their own families to be dragged in to the street and murdered by religious fanatics while the crowd of 'iraqi civilians' bays for her blood? If there were no civil unrest in iraq
Were you awake as Saddam thumbed his nose at his own peace treaty with the US, as well as 17 U.N. ultimatum resolutions? Don't any of you enlightened liberal elitists pay attention to the world around you, other than getting your insight from MSNBC and the Daily Kos?
How many times, and for how many years, should a madman be allowed to commit atrocities, including the use of nerve gas, government sanctioned rape, murder, and REAL torture (he didn't mess with the slap-your-face stuff we use - he went all out on torture brother, very grusome in case you haven't seen any of the results... enough to make me throw up - for real. Too bad these pansy "journalists" don't spread the news on some of the torture chambers and body parts we uncovered).
So how long do YOU let this 21st century Hitler go about his business? You sound like a typical blame-America-first left-wing-puzzy who wouldn't know what it means to sacrifice. What is you heritage... French? It sounds like you'd rather whine & hide then fight & defend.
For what its worth, it wasn't me calling Fox News fair, it was an independent study that was done by a university (and of course, universities today are staffed with about 90% liberal/Democrat... so it's not like they set out to be biased toward Fox)
Go back to sleep dumbazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Objectivity comes from reading a lot of diverse reporting on the war, it can't be done as you describe in one article.
Sort of, I guess. For the past 3 decades, instead of hanging out in college smoking dope, theorizing about world events, and bad-mouthing my own country, I've gone out and taken action. I propagate not hate but death to bad guys from Libya & Lebanon to Kuwait & Iraq - taking it to their doorstep so they aren't standing on yours.
Sleep tight pumpkin - I've got your back.
Yep...we ought to sit on our ass and pretend that this never happened as well. Sorry but as the US of A we are the police for the world. I got an idea...let's let the French sort this out. Nope...not intrested. What about the Germans....Nope, can't help. So who is left to police the world? The USA. Uncle Sam. When we leave the region the killing will continue...but the cameras will be gone. Where are the Cameras in Africa? South Korea? There may be a few sick Americans who get off on killing innocent people but as for the 99.9 percent of the troops in the field, they live by the code. Honor, God and country. When someone is shooting at you...you don't have time to ask for a drivers lisc. The cowards we fight kill everyone...women, children and elderly and don't give it a second thought. When you lay your head on your soft pillow tonight and know your family is safe, say a prayer for the men and women in the field and their families. No doubt they would prefer to be at home as well.
No one wants to kill innocent children or women but it will continue to happen as long as our enemies hide behind them and attack us.
4TH Inf. Division
Iron Horse
We found Sadaam Remember???
Well said brother.
4th Inf. Division rocks.
The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'
16,791
Iraqi civilians killed last year by ISLAMIC Terrorists
225*
Iraqi civilians killed collaterally in incidents involving Americans
(and Islamic Terrorists)
Iraqis aren't
dying from war.
They are being murdered by
Islamic terrorists.
Go to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ if you want a fair and real look at what is going on over there.
You are one of the few who are able to cut through the hysteria and present fact and logic.
Well done.
And thanks to 'JustAnotherFictionWriter'
Keep up the good fight.
F.S. Maude, Lieutenant General Commanding the british forces in Iraq
(1917)
however, this war is the worst mistake our once great nation has ever made. what kind of madness brought us there? ego and revenge. we sit on the cover of a boiling civil war. we have spent $500 billion... on what? that adds up to $22,500 per iraqi. KBR and halliburton got fat, the schools and water plants blown up by insurgents, the hospitals have no supplies or never got built by us contractors and the us security to guard them. [deleted]ing madness.
but money, who cares? all you hajis and mujahadeen, jihadists, holy warriors and islamists murdering your moslem brothers and sisters. shoot the bomb off saying 'allah hu akbar' [deleted] you, you will burn in hell. i hope you are in the same section as bush, cheney, wolfowitz, rumsfeld and all the spineless generals who went along for the ride. no thanks all of you, for all the insanity in my brain and every us soldier in combat and iraqi child and woman and man forever.
i have lost my religion, my love of country, my faith in humans, my heart. i hope i can find it again. an old vietnam vet told me last year 'it is your turn now'
During the five years of the Iraq War, 13,000 American adults and children were killed by cell-phone related traffic accidents. (Cell phone distraction causes 2,600 deaths and 330,000 injuries in the United States every year, according to the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society.) There were about 215,000 total traffic deaths during the Iraq War.
Where is the political outrage and action
let us do some math. there have been plus minus 150,000 joes in iraq. about 15% of them go outside the wire. that is about 22,500. the remainder stay on big bases, eating ice cream and turning wrenches or stacking boxes [note i did not say medics, they have their own hell] so... five years, 4,000 KIA, or 800 a year [may yheir families find some better times] it adds up to about 3.5 % killed each year, the ones who go into battle, patrol, convoy. and do not give me that bs "they knew what they were getting into" they do? you call up their mother or wife and tell them that.
let's see what 3.5% of the USA is, 10.5 million. imagine the outrage if that many people died violently in america.
what about the iraqis? should they just move to a nicer place? or stay indoors more? what are you trying to tell us??
We were supposed to make a hundred hospitals [i read this stuff, i was fighting] and three have been made, without any supplies, the doctors ran off to syria. the iraqis are ripped off, the joes are ripped off, the american taxpayer is being taken to the cleaner for several generations.
we cannot give the iraqis the freedom, security, stability, the infrastructure we promised. do not give me that "they won't stand up" nonsense... they will be beheaded [or their brother or parents or children] we have given the iraqis a fifth world basket case nation on fire with a few 100,000 dead and the rest stressed out into insanity and revenge. salaam
this child has been changed for life!
or we will kill you
viva democasy
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
Note: In Vietnam as a fighter pilot I refused to drop napalm on innocent civilians, no 'if' - 'Buts' - or any pissy ass excuse.
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
and theazcowboy if u didnt drop that bomb and they knew or even thought that bin laden was down there you would be put trail and would hav no chance to win it youd be looking at prison. we dont just wake up and decide to drop bombs on a random city you should know that every bomb droped by order is ordered for a reason
My questions to the Arizona s.h.i.t. kicker are:
What kind of sign did you look for while flying over these innocent villages at 200 to 20,000 feet going 200-500 knots? How did you know which villages were hiding Viet Cong?
And, after your treasonous disobedience, did you ever wonder how many of your fellow American GIs on the ground were killed by these "innocent" civilians, and would have appreciated your help?
Just curious...
if you have innocent blood on your hands thats your fault give me your name and ill turn your ass in. you just confeced to a felony. and yes we were attacked remember 9/11 pearl harbor we get litterally attacked for no reason. wat we our doing is our job as a world superpower thats making sure no jackass decides to make mmd's yes i believe they had them either they used them or north korea took them off their hands.
and once again im gonna say it we have a tiny tiny fraction of innocent citizens killed by us to wat iraqis have killed of their own people. OMG YES i said it the terrorist are the ones killing them we kill the terrorist but 1 terrorist that succeeds can kill hundreds we can only kill one terrorist at a time. and one more thing ive said before --- if they would sit down and think a bit instead of sticking their heads half ay up their ass they would relize the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION is the longest current constitution of a government that is in use right now.which would mean umm... umm... umm... we know what we are doing---
Some of these posts seem so religious, so fanatic that you should change you motto. Try now
"usa u akhbar!" or "bush u akhbar!!!! "
For the repentant pro war, chiah style whipping seems also very appropriate.
But, more seriously lets hear the words of Machiavelli, a real war expert :
"There is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, that to institute a new order of things" .
“Politics have no relation to morals.”