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John Byrne
rawstory.com
Any candidate is going to respond to a fundraiser, and a lot of these blogs are major fundraisers for the party. Not necessarily on the level that a Hollywood mogul is, but politicians respond to people who raise money. You don't want to alienate Kos or other big players because if you're on their good list, you're going to be able to raise more money.

Phil de Vellis
"Hillary 1984" creator
Before all this stuff, there were a few guys—guys like Joe Klein, David Broder, The Capital Gang—who could say if a campaign was run well or not. Now you've got millions of people essentially doing the same thing. So for candidates, talking to David Broder isn't a make-or-break thing. They can talk to Markos, or they could talk to local bloggers in Iowa. There are still gatekeepers. There are just a lot more of them, and new ones all the time.

Micah Sifry
It's true that Josh Marshall and Markos Moulitsas are very influential, but they are constantly held accountable by their audience. If Markos makes a mistake, right there in the blog comments people are bashing him. He can't stray that far from accountability, the way that editors of the old gatekeeping institutions—whether it was the New York Times or The Nation—were inherently insulated. It's no coincidence that you see a flowering of new voices and people earning their status on merit rather than going to the right college.

Nicholas Lemann
There is a constant struggle between these three models of politics: the group model, the party model, and the expert model. With the Internet you see a flourishing of group politics, which is healthy because it encourages civil society and ground-level participation.

esther dyson
It's not that you should necessarily do what the blogs tell you, but you need to prove that you are listening. Anyone who is good at running a company occasionally listens to the customer-support lines and gets a reality check, and that is what politicians should do. The best communications technology is the ear.

howard dean
The Internet is not just a tool, it is a community of human beings who are tired of what I call the "one-way campaign," which began essentially during the Kennedy-Nixon debates, where everything is on television. Well, it's not about communicating our message to you anymore; it's about listening to you first before we formulate the message.

Jane Hamsher
firedoglake.com
In this next election cycle, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama probably don't need the netroots behind them—they just need us not to hate them. But beyond 2008, they won't be able to marginalize the netroots, because it's not one blogger—it's not Markos, it's not Atrios—it's the way the base communicates with each other. The Democrats are still trying to play this Big Tent bullshit over a center that doesn't exist. As they wake up and smell the coffee, they'll realize they have to play to the base. The place the base goes to organize, get its opinions, is increasingly online.

henry jenkins
The blogosphere has done a really bad job in general of finding a common space between disagreeing parties. It probably does contribute to the further partisanization of American politics. Wikipedia represents the alternative model, one where people from different political backgrounds could work together. But it depends on the willingness of the candidates and the campaigns to try to come up with a purple strategy as opposed to a red-vs.-blue strategy.

bill wasik
creator of flash mobs
A lot of techno-utopian types—the kind of people who would crow about Politics 2.0-type stuff—they have a hammer, but they don't really know what their nail is. To me, the innovation of the netroots really has nothing to do with the Internet and everything to do with the way they're forging an aggressive vision of liberal politics.

What's Hype?

wikis:
"They are really fabulous tools, but they are overhyped and that's going to lead to backlash after the world doesn't transform itself miraculously overnight."—Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia

collaboration:
"Nothing about technology requires you to be collaborative. Kerry had a blog; there was nothing collaborative to it."—Nicco Mele, EchoDitto

going viral:
"It's a real phenomenon. But it's extremely difficult to make it happen, and things rarely go viral on their own. You know the 'macaca' video—they pumped it out there." —Colin Delany, epolitics.com

social networking:
"This is probably the thing I'll be famously remembered for misjudging, but people haven't really cracked how to use it for politics. It's exciting that there was a Facebook group with 300,000 for Obama, but it doesn't translate into anything beyond a Facebook group."—Eli Pariser, MoveOn

blogging:
"It's still very iffy as far as the veracity. It can be spot-on and cutting edge; other times, what you get on a blog can be total bullshit. It's changed politics and political journalism, but not necessarily for the better." —Josh Kurtz, Roll Call

second life: "Very marginal in terms of politics." —Peter Leyden, New Politics Institute

myspace:
"I don't know who over the age of 21 spends a lot of time on MySpace who's not a campaign worker or a marketer or a pedophile. I doubt that there is a majority of people on MySpace who are a) old enough to vote, b) registered to vote, and c) who actually vote."—Chris Rabb, Afro-Netizen.com

blast emails:
"A big email list isn't as important as cultivating your supporters with one-on-one communication." —Jerome Armstrong, MyDD.com

twitter:
"I've sat in on seminars about how Twitter is going to change politics. I think it's a good thing for kids in junior high. Like, 'Oh! I just got busted.'" —Phil de Vellis, "Hillary 1984" creator

glenn reynolds
When campaigns hire a blogger, they get a lot of expertise. But the glow wears off pretty fast. Everyone knows they're not independent anymore. Once I get an email from a blogger I know is working for a campaign, I treat it as campaign spam, because that's what it is.

Morra Aarons
blogher.com
There is an elite class of political bloggers who are on par with the pundits on the Sunday-morning talk shows. On the Democratic side, they seem to be largely male. When people think of women blogging, they think of mommy bloggers, right? But these women also talk and care about politics. I don't think that the small cadre of elite political bloggers are thinking about why there aren't more women in their ranks.

Jane Hamsher
I think it's a meritocracy. You have to put in the time to figure out how the blogosphere works. If you're willing to do that, I don't think being female is any barrier. In fact, I think it's an advantage at this point. The A-list bloggers are hungry and looking to give exposure to women who write really well. Most of those criticisms of male A-list bloggers shutting out women—I really don't have any other word to call it except just "bullshit."

glenn reynolds
Blogs have primarily been opinion outlets, and occasionally offered analysis that counted as news, like the typographical analysis of the Dan Rather National Guard memos. But I think we're going to see blogs come into their own as a true reporting medium between now and the election.

bill wasik
Look at what Josh Marshall has been doing on Talking Points Memo, where he'll tell his readers to call up their congressperson and find out if this person voted up or down in some voice vote where there is no record of it. Because they're supposed to tell their constituents how they voted, even if they wouldn't feel bound to tell journalists. There's radical potential in that.


10,000 Deaniacs

Where Are They Now?

Three years after Howard Dean's campaign put online outreach on the map, its alumni—and the netroots consulting firms they've helped spawn—are a fast-growing part of the political power structure. —Leigh Ferrara

Dean 2004 Campaign
Howard Dean
Dean tech advisers Joe Rospars, Jascha Franklin-Hodge, Clay Johnson, and Ben SelfBlue State Digital
Clients: Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, Ned Lamont, Al Franken
DeanSpace creators Josh Koenig and Zach RosenChapter Three
Clients: Future Majority, Sunlight Foundation
Dean Iowa vets Aaron Welch and Adam MordecaiAdvomatic
Clients: John Edwards, Wesley Clark, Air America
Webmaster Nicco Mele, Dean MeetUp head Michael Silberman, tech guys Justin Pinder and Harish RaoEchoDitto
Clients: Barack Obama, Jon Tester, SEIU, Bill Clinton
Dean consultant and MyDD creator Jerome ArmstrongDigital Field Group
Clients: John Kerry, Mark Warner, SEIU

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What are you laughing about, Gross? That's exactly what's going to happen. The net is unlimited so as soon as you become truly sold out and sans ethics another blog will come along and expose your bull[deleted]. After 20 years of the Republican party we are going to be in no mood to tolerate your greed and willingness to go along with the corporate mantra.
Posted by:timeisartJune 21, 2007 5:35:16 PMRespond ^
I will not read any of Daily Kos blogs ever again. So let it be said, so let it be read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by:P OedJune 21, 2007 10:48:43 PMRespond ^
This article is about 3 years too late. What the F is with you "big name alternatives" to the "big name liberals" anyway? Jesus F'in Kroyste. I was complaining about this nonsense of gate-keeping and hypocrisy 3 years ago, getting booted off Daily Kos 3 years ago blah blah blah. Well at least you "broke" the story before 2010.
Posted by:liquified visceraJune 21, 2007 10:58:24 PMRespond ^
What I see here is a continued conflict between left/right,conservation/liberal,Republican/Democrat. Has it occured to anyone that there are forces controling both sides of the equation. It's the classic thesis/antithesis/synthesis. It's been going on for quite some time now. The puppeteer controls both sides for a guaranteed control of the equation. Duh
Posted by:robertJune 22, 2007 6:19:27 AMRespond ^
"Moulitsas' reaction echoes the very control-the-message philosophy the blogosphere once rose up to fight." Horse[deleted]. First of all, "controlling the message" isn't a philosophy. It's just about organization and discipline. Grover Norquist has a weekly meeting of right wing journos, lobbyists, and other assorted hacks at which the wingnut messages and sound bites are handed out. What's wrong with the left doing the same thing? How else are we ever going to get rid of the fascists? It's not organization and discipline that are fascistic, it's their policies. Should the US Army in WW II have done away with their command structure and soldiers' ranks, just because the Wehrmacht had the same structure and ranks? stupid... Besides which, Moulitsas wasn't telling people to lie, as the right wing does. He's telling people it's a good idea to ignore a nonm-story. So what?
Posted by:LongTomJune 22, 2007 6:27:12 AMRespond ^
"it's often the appearance of taint that counts" Hell yeah I second that. It ain't a party until someone shows their taint.
Posted by:Taint loverJune 22, 2007 8:12:15 AMRespond ^
what a whinner! this is truley a non-issue. go back to the rubber stamp crowd or open your eyes to what really is happening. sorry to waste my time reading the three page non-story.
Posted by:mikebeeJune 22, 2007 8:41:33 AMRespond ^
Why no mention of the Free Republic crowd in the blog dominance game? Or is it only oppressive when a bunch of whiny, do-nothing leftists decide they have credible opinions?
Posted by:A. MagnusJune 22, 2007 11:24:40 AMRespond ^
Grover Norquist helped to assemble the Devil's Alliance between Big Oil, AIPAC, Right Wing Fundamentalist, Corporations and who ever else was interested in oppressing the common man. Theirs is an alliance based on mutual support of each others agenda and in turn their agendas are also supported... hence companies like Wal-mart allowing their pharmacist to refuse to sell contraceptives least their fundie partners be miffed. Fundies are the first in line to support false arguments for climate change to the cheers of their oily brethren. Kos ain't no Grover. His idea of alliance is to bash all of the traditional Democratic base and force them to parrot so called "Democratic" talking points which are very similar if not identical to GOP talking points...and always against their own interest. In Koslandia these people are called "Purists" and "Concerned Trolls"... ie anyone who is against support Republican Democrats. Kos has made it his personal vendetta to rid the Democratic party of pro choice advocates (he has recently allowed abortion diaries on the front page...only because his hits are taking a dive)... I guess that Kos has never read the statistic that 60% of the Democratic party are women... those "sanctimonious women set" ( http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/6/1125/10793 ) If there is any good to come from this article is for once and for all that Kos stop perpetrating the fraud that he is liberal or even progressive, as he is neither. He is nothing but the talking parrot and stenographer of the DLC an organization formed exclusively to push the Democratic party to the right in line and in cahoots with the Republican party. As Kos admits himself he "jumped the shark" four years ago. My guess is when he became a fellow at NDN and organization that was created to screen and obstruct liberals from getting elected into the Democratic Party by pimping "selected" candidates to corporate Johns. Kos takes ads from Chevron then pokes a finger in the progressive eye on his front page telling the world that he actually voted for their anti energy reforms in CA... a true progressive... then recently he touted Ah-nold as the Democrats best friend... what more does this man have to do to proclaim that he is not progressive... he refuses to even call himself a Democrat, Kos say he is a Libertarian... wake up people and get a clue. The majority of those that are still on Kos are operatives and staff members of DLC office holders... or looking for a job. Their goals on Kos is to root out and kill any progressive talk and to pump up the volume of right wing talking points. Is it any wonder that the "netroots" candidates (selected in secret with no known criteria) ended up in the Blue Dogs contingency whose first order of business upon taking office was to meet with Bush and get their orders. It has become a farce. The the DSCC instructed the "netroots" to get behind that candidacy of Casey-(PA nutter) who had no business even uttering the word Democrat... now the DSCC is sending out tearful "calls for action" because there are not enough Senators to vote for stem cell without a veto... yet it is this very same DSCC that cleared the field in PA for Casey to run. Kos is just a symptom of a Democratic Party beholding to everyone else but their own base. Therefore, the only blame that I can assign Kos is that he is just a mouthpiece but worse than Tony Snow because at least Snow is working for the good of his GOP base...Kos is working to the detriment of the Democratic base and for the "selected" few in leadership.
Posted by:Not GroverJune 23, 2007 2:20:40 AMRespond ^
As for fund raising... Kos is now toxic. Way...way...way... too many bait and switches on candidates that were supposedly progressive who turned out to be solidly regressive conservatives Bean, Herseth, Murphy, Salazar, Webb, Casey etc. etc.... starts to make a pattern... (after the fact true progressives that they finally came to promote are not listed) You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time... the Kos ATM is running on empty. People have to have a little trust in what you are saying for them to open their wallets...
Posted by:Not GroverJune 23, 2007 2:54:43 AMRespond ^
Very late to the game. This ihas brrn rehashed over an d over again! It's a drama that people like MSOC like to believe is still current. Now she's horrified but before this recent take she was very much trying to be a big shot! The blogs have influence because somebody needed to take on the negligence of the MSM. Since they don't seem willing to criticize Bush and his administration, preferring instead to recite Karl Rove's talking points, the blogs will continue to hsve influence. Get a grip on ehy they became so important to beging with. Now that might be a story worth reading!
Posted by:AnonymousJune 23, 2007 6:56:05 AMRespond ^
Mary Scott O'Connor and a few others cast themselves as victims of the evil empire. Yet it's O'Connor's own piss-poor instincts and behavior that knocked them out of any A-List. O'Connor has always been more concerned about what she perceives as her natural right to stardom than any larger goal. And when she isn't accorded full adulation, she throws fits. I've been around a few of these people in real life, and they're not reliable. Their instincts and information aren't reliable, and their motivations are suspect. Kos and the other A-Listers aren't perfect and have made some monumental blunders. But such is life. At least their blogs offer a degree of reliability and accountability, and the motivations are clear: elect Democrats. The same can't be said for O'Connor.
Posted by:A Nona MooseJune 23, 2007 8:56:13 AMRespond ^
In addition to the astute comments of A Nona Moose, MSOC knows absolutely of which she speaks when she says that politics is sexy and that bloggers will do anything or almost anything to get a seat at the table because she has tried almost everything resulting only in demonstrating how little she knows about politics. It was Drama Diva continually expressed in scatological terms and continual violations of site rules to make sure she got the foulest language in the title of her diaries. But most of her contributions had more to do with the “Woe is Me” variety or the flat out “Look at me. Me. Me. Me. With those kinds of antics taking all the air out of a room, it becomes impossible to conduct any mature discussion concerning politics at all. Disregard for copyrights finally did her in but she had done herself in long before the actual banning with the community.. And my point about doing anything includes the 6 or so sockpuppets she has created since her banning to continue to heckle and make mischief. Therefore anything she says about “the boyz” (she refuses to recognize the other women) with a “block” of salt. Not a Winger
Posted by:Not a WingerJune 23, 2007 7:07:43 PMRespond ^
Where is Ron Paul?
Posted by:SovereignJune 27, 2007 4:46:45 AMRespond ^
"I think that certain bloggers, the big ones, think politics is sexy," she said. "They want in, and they're getting in. They'll do anything to get in, almost. They want a seat at the table. They want to be in the inner circle of the Democratic Party." In every venue of every human endeavor, it has always been thus. To expect that, on average, people might behave in some other way is the height of folly. It's not so much that power necessarily corrupts - 'corruption' is a pretty charged word - but that power is magnetic, strongly magnetic. If you don't like what the newly powerful are doing, it's up to you to starve them of oxygen by removing your support. If, on the other hand, they are furthering your agenda in smaller or larger ways continue to support them. It's OK to lose sight of individuals; just don't lose sight of ideas.
Posted by:SteveJune 27, 2007 2:40:40 PMRespond ^
Bush adopted KGB methods. This sort of thing happens. It's natural. The Jews exterminate people all the time. You become your oppressor.
Posted by:osisbsJuly 2, 2007 11:46:05 AMRespond ^
This is a non-story if ever there was one.! What a disappointing take for Mother Jones. It says nothing that aware people in the netroots didn't know before, and attempts to discredit bloggers because they've been successful and taken places at the table. The Democratic party has been hampered for years by inside-the-beltway "consultants" who collect huge fees and do do nothing more than give bad advice and help liberal candidates to lose. People who blog are knowledgeable, not easily herded, and perfectly capable of giving the "leaders" hell if they think the big guys (and gals) have gone astray. The blogs give a voice to those who haven't been heard by the establishment that uses them for an ATM machine. Not surprising that the establishment media - which Mother Jones seems to have joined - takes such a dim and condescending view of the blogosphere.
Posted by:PsycheJuly 2, 2007 12:34:23 PMRespond ^
My goals are for a grass roots effort to demand an end to the war, eliminate campaign financing by lobbyist, and deveop a program of socialized medicine. Hillary Clinton may be a Democrat, but is in the pocket of the medical industry, and she voted for the war, and she appears to lean to which ever side is the most expedient. We don't need another Bush/ Cheney in the White House. Why can't people see this, and why doesn't the Democratics in the House and Senate stand up to the Republicans. They stand up and then cower down. I certainly hope Gore runs for President.
Posted by:Vicki LawsonJuly 2, 2007 12:59:51 PMRespond ^
Very interesting - even the bloggers are seeking power, not just sharing information!!!
Posted by:Irene BoldenJuly 3, 2007 12:09:01 PMRespond ^
You goy think you can effect world politics. You're so stupid. Zionism rules.
Posted by:Zionism rules.July 5, 2007 8:57:33 AMRespond ^
Kucinich 2008! I stopped reading Kos when he trashed Dennis ^o^ Remember "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" is still dictatorship! THINK FOR YOURSELF. Do your own fact checks and let the truth prevail. NO side has a monopoly on truth; it has to be pieced together. But we're so much better off with the bloggers than without-don't forget that, either. Otherwise, it's FOX NEWS and nothing else. ugh.
Posted by:bamaslamaJuly 6, 2007 7:26:35 AMRespond ^
surprised? it is like that famous cyberspace saying: "hello my big big honey!"
Posted by:rituals in pagodasJuly 6, 2007 9:26:42 PMRespond ^
Now that you've read the hype about Kos, if you really want to understand him (his stint in training with the CIA), his super-wealthy right-wing Salvadoran oligarchy family that pollutes the Jaltepeque Estuary. These truths about Kos can all be found, with copious links to government and commercial websites, at "The Truth About Kos" blog. A lot of people are eulogizing the wonders of Kos, without ever bothering to research the "The Truth About Kos."
Posted by:Francis L. HollandJuly 27, 2007 9:02:21 AMRespond ^
http://the-truth-about-kos.blogspot.com
Posted by:Francis L. HollandJuly 27, 2007 9:03:15 AMRespond ^

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