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News: President Bush promises that fuel-cell cars will be free of pollution. But if he has his way, the cars of tomorrow will run on hydrogen made from fossil fuels.

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When President Bush unveiled his plans for a hydrogen-powered car in his State of the Union address in January, he proposed $1.2 billion in spending to develop a revolutionary automobile that will be "pollution-free." The new vehicle, he declared, will rely on "a simple chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen" to power a car "producing only water, not exhaust fumes." Within 20 years, the president vowed, fuel-cell cars will "make our air significantly cleaner, and our country much less dependent on foreign sources of oil."

By launching an ambitious program to develop what he calls the "Freedom Car," Bush seemed determined to realize the kind of future that hydrogen-car supporters have envisioned for years. Using existing technology, hydrogen can be easily and cleanly extracted from water. Electricity generated by solar panels and wind turbines is used to split the water's hydrogen atoms from its oxygen atoms. The hydrogen is then recombined with oxygen in fuel cells, where it releases electrons that drive an electric motor in a car. What Bush didn't reveal in his nationwide address, however, is that his administration has been working quietly to ensure that the system used to produce hydrogen will be as fossil fuel-dependent -- and potentially as dirty -- as the one that fuels today's SUVs. According to the administration's National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap, drafted last year in concert with the energy industry, up to 90 percent of all hydrogen will be refined from oil, natural gas, and other fossil fuels -- in a process using energy generated by burning oil, coal, and natural gas. The remaining 10 percent will be cracked from water using nuclear energy.

Such a system, experts say, would effectively eliminate most of the benefits offered by hydrogen. Although the fuel-cell cars themselves may emit nothing but water vapor, the process of producing the fuel cells from hydrocarbons will continue America's dependence on fossil fuels and leave behind carbon dioxide, the primary cause of global warming.

Mike Nicklas, chair of the American Solar Energy Society, was one of 224 energy experts invited by the Department of Energy to develop the government's Roadmap last spring. The sessions, environmentalists quickly discovered, were dominated by representatives from the oil, coal, and nuclear industries. "All the emphasis was on how the process would benefit traditional energy industries," recalls Nicklas, who sat on a committee chaired by an executive from ChevronTexaco. "The whole meeting had been staged to get a particular result, which was a plan to extract hydrogen from fossil fuels and not from renewables." The plan does not call for a single ounce of hydrogen to come from power generated by the sun or the wind, concluding that such technologies "need further development for hydrogen production to be more cost competitive."

But instead of investing in developing those sources, the budget that Bush submitted to Congress pays scant attention to renewable methods of producing hydrogen. More than half of all hydrogen funding is earmarked for automakers and the energy industry. Under the president's plan, more than $22 million of hydrogen research for 2004 will be devoted to coal, nuclear power, and natural gas, compared with $17 million for renewable sources. Overall funding for renewable research and energy conservation, meanwhile, will be slashed by more than $86 million. "Cutting R&D for renewable sources and replacing them with fossil and nuclear doesn't make for a sustainable approach," says Jason Mark, director of the clean vehicles program for the Union of Concerned Scientists.

The oil and chemical industries already produce 9 million tons of hydrogen each year, most of it from natural gas, and transport it through hundreds of miles of pipelines to fuel the space shuttle and to remove sulfur from petroleum refineries. The administration's plan lays the groundwork to expand that infrastructure -- guaranteeing that oil and gas companies will profit from any transition to hydrogen. Lauren Segal, general manager of hydrogen development for BP, puts it succinctly: "We view hydrogen as a way to really grow our natural-gas business."

To protect its fuel franchise, the energy industry has moved swiftly in recent years to shape government policy toward hydrogen. In 1999, oil companies and automakers began attending the meetings of an obscure group called the National Hydrogen Association. Founded in 1989 by scientists from government labs and universities, the association was a haven for many of the small companies -- fuel-cell designers, electrolyzer makers -- that were dabbling in hydrogen power. The group promoted the use of hydrogen but was careful not to take any position on who would make the fuel or how.

All that changed once the energy industry got involved. "All of a sudden Shell joined our board, and then the interest grew very quickly," says Karen Miller, the association's vice president. "Our chair last year was from BP; this year our chair is from ChevronTexaco." The companies quickly began to use the association as a platform to lobby for more federal funding for research, and to push the government to emphasize fossil fuels in the national energy plan for hydrogen. Along with the big automakers, energy companies also formed a consortium called the International Hydrogen Infrastructure Group to monitor federal officials charged with developing fuel cells. "Basically," says Neil Rossmeissl, a hydrogen standards expert at the Department of Energy, "what they do is look over our shoulder at doe to make sure we are doing what they think is the right thing."

As hydrogen gained momentum, the oil companies rushed to buy up interests in technology companies developing ways to refine and store the new fuel. Texaco has invested $82 million in a firm called Energy Conversion Devices, and Shell now owns half of Hydrogen Source. BP, Chevron-Texaco, ExxonMobil, Ford, and General Electric have also locked up the services of many of America's top energy scientists, devoting more than $270 million to hydrogen research at MIT, Princeton, and Stanford.

Such funding will help ensure that oil and gas producers continue to profit even if automakers manage to put millions of fuel-cell cars on the road. "The major energy companies have several hundred billions of dollars, at the least, invested in their businesses, and there is a real interest in keeping and utilizing that infrastructure in the future," says Frank Ingriselli, former president of Texaco Technology Ventures. "And these companies certainly have the balance sheets and wherewithal to make it happen."

The stakes in the current battle over hydrogen are high. Devoting the bulk of federal research funding to making hydrogen from fossil fuels rather than water will enable oil and gas companies to provide lower-priced hydrogen. That, in turn, means that pipelines built to transport hydrogen will stretch to, say, a BP gas field in Canada, rather than an independent wind farm in North Dakota. Even if the rest of the world switches to hydrogen manufactured from water, says Nicklas, "Americans may end up dependent on fossil fuels for generations."

The administration's plans to manufacture hydrogen from fossil fuels could also contribute to global warming by leaving behind carbon dioxide. Oil and coal companies insist they will be able to "sequester" the carbon permanently by pumping it deep into the ocean or underground. But the doe calls such approaches "very high risk," and no one knows how much that would cost, how much other environmental disruption that might cause, or whether that would actually work. "Which path we take will have a huge effect one way or the other on the total amount of carbon pumped into the atmosphere over the next century," says James MacKenzie, a physicist with the World Resources Institute.

Even if industry manages to safely contain the carbon left behind, the Bush administration's plan to extract hydrogen from fossil fuels will wind up wasting energy. John Heywood, director of MIT's Sloan Automotive Lab, says a system that extracts hydrogen from oil and natural gas and stores it in fuel cells would actually be no more energy efficient than America's present gasoline- based system.

"If the hydrogen does not come from renewable sources," Heywood says, "then it is simply not worth doing, environmentally or economically."

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Hey - Just to let you know Hydrogen is in water and.. Stan Meyer did so you can tap your fuel from the tap driectly by injecting a resonant frequency to the water so it released hydrogen.. And I going to do this!!
Posted by:5by9May 27, 2007 1:55:41 AMRespond ^
video.google.com -- Search stanley Meyer
Posted by:5by9May 27, 2007 1:56:38 AMRespond ^
IT DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY THE MAIN THING IS GET OFF OF THE FORIGN OIL ADDICTION FIRST THEN WE CAN DEAL WITH THE OIL COMPANIES AN THEIR ILK.
Posted by:LEEMay 28, 2007 7:54:59 AMRespond ^
Iceland's already in the process of creating an economy based upon Hydrogen power fueled by geysers. There are already hydrogen battery-powered busses which cost the same amount to run as gas-powered ones. Soon,the entire fishing fleet of Iceland will be powered by Hydrogen. So--it can be done properly--the powers that be just have to have the will to do it.
Posted by:JoeMay 29, 2007 8:50:38 AMRespond ^
Hydrogen energy is nothing but a plant to subsidize with public funds the U.S.car industry, which currently is in the throes of death like General Motors.Same thing for the oil, coal, gas natural and nuclear conglomerates.Money ,money and money.No one can believe that Bush stands for a green economy.It´s preposterous.
Posted by:J.MoxaMay 31, 2007 4:11:33 AMRespond ^
Needless to say that I can´t stand Jeremy Rifkin. He´s a quack.
Posted by:J.MoxaMay 31, 2007 4:16:49 AMRespond ^
The u.s. has been off the gold standard for quite awhile meaning our currency is only paper and backed by nothing. so, the government can basically create however much money that they see fit. Car companies are already creating hydrogen cars. The government should fund the complete creation and developement of hydrogen production plants using solar and wind energy and breaking down water through electralosis. also, they would need to fund the creation of nationwide refueling centers and the exchange out of gasoline cars from americans to new hydrogen cars. this would be quite a move that would require major balls and sky rocket national debt. The only way this would be possible would be because of "free" energy from solar and wind sources, the production cost would be quite low. After implementation, the u.s. could add a tax on to the cost, making it equivilant to $2.25 a gallon and due to wide-spread use nationwide, they would be collecting somewhere around 80% theoretically to battle the damage done to the national debt. In a approximately a decades time, we would have no national debt, no pollution, and the oil companies would still be making phenomenal profits. Let us also not forget that with significant improvement to pollution levels, our personal health would improve due to less toxins in the air, our immune systems would work better. This would create a decline in healthcare cost. Also, our food production would increase due to better conditions for farming and agriculture. After correcting the national debt, much of the "taxed" profits could be used to develope and upgrade the u.s.'s flawed energy system (in reference to in-home electricity). Please, if you see a reason this wouldn't work, please let me know -- bradley.clonch@astaraircargo.us
Posted by:B. ClonchJune 1, 2007 9:45:06 AMRespond ^
I think mabe we should get joe hydrogen from austrailia to be president
Posted by:Crispy SwamprattJune 4, 2007 4:31:14 PMRespond ^
i want to make a bike on this technique..so please send me some informatio on this concept..
Posted by:ajay pandeyJune 5, 2007 6:34:03 AMRespond ^
Yah well i guess it's just going to be that much longer until the majority relizes that oil and other fossil fuels arn't going to be here forever. and that doesn't mean relying to power our "post oil era" with...... huh, what was it? OIL! half of oil is hydrogen, wow, 2/3 of water is hydrogen. BUSH i used to think you were cool, but making the WHOLE pourpose of making a hydro economy is for us to NOT be dependent on foregn fossil Fuels and not have to pay 5 dollars a gallon.
Posted by:something_startedJune 5, 2007 10:50:29 AMRespond ^
Hydrogen-fuelled cars will not be pollution-free, by no means.The water vapor from the exhaust pipes may increase the greenhouse effect in much the same manner as carbon dioxide does.
Posted by:J.Moxa(in broken English)June 7, 2007 4:33:40 AMRespond ^
The oil-peak is at the gates, and Bush´s Saudi "allies" are not reliable (who was behind the 9-11?).
Posted by:J,MoxaJune 7, 2007 4:36:52 AMRespond ^
To the person that wrote: "Hydrogen-fuelled cars will not be pollution-free, by no means.The water vapor from the exhaust pipes may increase the greenhouse effect in much the same manner as carbon dioxide does." Are you serious? Dang with all those oceans being hit by the sun you would think we would all be dead by now if that was the case.. I mean come on.. Do you think before you type? How is pure clean water vapor going to harm anything? Every lake, stream, ocean, mud puddle, or tea kettle on the planet produces it? Its a part of the natural cycle of this planet.. its what life is.... people.. I swear
Posted by:raviousJune 7, 2007 8:53:31 PMRespond ^
Next the govt will begin a smear campagn showing how dangerous making your own hydrogen at home is. It will be like bootlegging fuel. People need to take control of the country again, not politicians.
Posted by:Stupid_GovJune 8, 2007 9:34:24 AMRespond ^
Godhelpus
Posted by:phillipbattisteJune 18, 2007 1:14:38 AMRespond ^
It will take the fall of our government to keep the oil companies from running our country and world into the ground for their own profit. It's sad but it's true.
Posted by:DarrellJune 20, 2007 8:22:14 AMRespond ^
I think all of this is very insteresting it has made me think about how much gas actully comes out of my car! I personly thik that george bush is not very good being a presidant but anyway overall exelent!
Posted by:Bella.HJuly 1, 2007 4:44:02 AMRespond ^
I think President Bush sucks. I mean what is wrong with him! I really despise politicians but he is in a category all by himself.
Posted by:TemecaArmstrongJuly 4, 2007 2:30:30 PMRespond ^
Ravious, although I´m all at sea when it comes to science, let me point out once again that more water vapor entails more greenhouse effect. I say it in earnest. And the idyllic hydrogen economy shall mean more methane &hydrogen in the atmosphere. Perhaps in the long run the hydrogen economy may pay off, but for the time being is nothing but bad science and groundless public relations. Have a try with "The Hype about Hydrogen", The Hydrogen Hoax",etc.And polish up my harrowing English if necessary.
Posted by:J.Moxa(in broken English)July 5, 2007 2:57:40 AMRespond ^
ban cars all together
Posted by:sean dochertyJuly 6, 2007 1:40:20 AMRespond ^
hybrid cars can produce there own hho whilst runing on it
Posted by:justJuly 8, 2007 8:59:17 PMRespond ^
Never say never, Hydrogen is the answer, just not through chemical means which most are familiar with. Have you seen the news clip of salt water ignition through radio wave frequency modulation to convert hydrogen, similar to what hydrogen fusion conversion utilizes. www.NanoDetonator.com
Posted by:NanoDetonator.comJuly 10, 2007 12:12:45 PMRespond ^
Just one more half truth spoken by a man who is is a lying, self serving [deleted]!
Posted by:RichJuly 13, 2007 6:14:06 AMRespond ^
Amzing what a few years means in the field of science research into hydrogen fusion. This article is ancient history in just a few years. www.NanoDetonator.com
Posted by:NanoDetonatorJuly 13, 2007 5:14:19 PMRespond ^
seems as though big companies and big government are hell bent on ruining the planet even using hydrogen and oxygen, the cleanest of the clean fuels. Leave it to government and large corporations to somehow find a way to mess up even the clean fuel equation, way to go, F@@@ers!
Posted by:bwfJuly 19, 2007 4:21:22 PMRespond ^
Has it ever occured to you, that your beloved rotten liberals have no better approach at all to solving the energy issue then President Bush ??? So if you are genuinly interested in advancing this good idea , stop blaming "reds" as you put it . Leftists or "blues" are not any better.I speak from one-on-one experience!! Let me break it to you: No political party is interested in free energy !! Stop solving it from political point of view if you genuinly want this to happen. Remember that all politicians live on our taxes!!! This issue will only be solved by putting politics aside, and all of us who see the importance of clean and cheap energy such as Hydregen from water, work togeather "red" and "blue" alike!!! That way I am in it all the way.
Posted by:gusJuly 20, 2007 10:22:09 PMRespond ^
We all need to get off this political blame game.The politicians(right or left) will not make any kind of hydrogen economy, it is up to you and me! It is right in your water supply. All of you "do it your selfers" start experimenting and reaserching. I am successfully producing hydrogen from my home. Currently I am building a hyrogen generator to run my truck. And for those who say hydrogen is not fully clean, then I must disagree.NASA uses hydrogen to power the rockets. The by product is water, which the astronauts use for drinking. Water vapor is essential to life on this planet and without it temperatures would skyrocket. Hence it is the water vapor in the atmosphere that reduces temperature, not what causes the greenhouse effect. That is obsured. So lets all stop arguing about whos fault it is and do something about it!!!!
Posted by:JoskannerJuly 23, 2007 7:15:08 PMRespond ^
i'll tell you why bush and the oil companies want to stay with oil to make hydrogen-they dont want to lose their power. we as AMERICANS need to stand up to our some what corrupt government and get rid of the oil companies. they are a major part of our problem. all they care about is money. they dont care about the earth. I personally dont want to die because our earth is so polluted. Hydrogen and wind power are the ways to go. the u.s. needs to get away from foreign fuel and perhaps even their food.
Posted by:cowboyJuly 23, 2007 9:13:07 PMRespond ^
it's very different idea then diffcult
Posted by:vigneshJuly 28, 2007 10:40:20 AMRespond ^
the thing is now the world is quite aware of the globals state. The people incharge need to get an act together and stop lieing about how much fossil fuels are actually being used, and do something about it!!!
Posted by:199July 28, 2007 8:50:42 PMRespond ^
Remove this article please. The only way the government can fund this research is if it uses fossil fuels to do it. Bush cannot fund anything that kills off the oil companies, it wont be allowed to pass. We need all types of research into this. Later on we can research directly banana peel to hydrogen conversions. Bush will help us. This legislation must pass. Thanks K Rove did not write this. Thanks
Posted by:RobertJuly 29, 2007 9:15:54 AMRespond ^
THAT'S CHEATING. WE WANT SEA WATER.
Posted by:JERRYAugust 2, 2007 3:08:07 PMRespond ^
OK , So whos the clever kiddy that is going to set up a site where we can all sighn our names to a global Petition , they couldnt ignore that six billion signitures, lets see then hush that up!
Posted by:DaveAugust 5, 2007 11:12:41 AMRespond ^
It does make sense. Technology is available to use hydrogen from water to fuel internal combustion engines, home furnaces, lawn mowers and lighting. No more need for oil other than to lubricate equipment. It is already like the dying days of the 1800s when the buggy whip factory looked at the first automobiles - No more use for buggy whips. Saudia Arabia has nothing but oil. Well you get the idea. Hydrogen use is like the first look at the firest automobiles. Realize it.
Posted by:BobAugust 6, 2007 1:45:46 PMRespond ^
After implementation, the u.s. could add a tax on to the cost, making it equivilant to $2.25 a gallon and due to wide-spread use nationwide-- B. Clouch. First, $2.25 a gallon is not cheap for the masses. However I do agree with you, about hydrogen being produced from solar power and wind energy by converting water through electralosis. My take on the issue is that someone should stand up for Americans, in these energy meeting and tell these oil and natural gas companies how stupid they really sound. Water is a resource that will be around until the end of the earth, not to mention that is the most abundant element on this Planet. There is no way anyone can convince me, we still need fossil fuels. It just does not make any sense, why would any one in their right mind even consider using the very fuel source that we are trying to eliminate (fossil fuels) to make Hydrogen which is easily made from water. If I had my way I would tell these oil companies that they need to invest their money into something other than oil, because your time is done. Otherwise, American will be suck in the 20th century for generations to come.
Posted by:OilsuxzAugust 10, 2007 4:19:03 PMRespond ^
Yea so we can fill his pockets. Bush apointed himself Dictator if you didnt figure that out yet
Posted by:bush haterAugust 15, 2007 12:27:36 AMRespond ^
What an excellent piece of research. I don't feel so ignorant about the subject now. I will say it is hard to get information on the practical availability of this tech.
Posted by:gordon.tucker@verizon.netAugust 19, 2007 6:05:34 AMRespond ^
hydrogen production from fossil fuels from a physics standpoint will require more energy input than cracking hydrogen on an as needed basis thru a on board fuel cell. therefore, adding fuel costs instead of reducing costs and making hyd. fuel less [ none] expensive and less of a pollutant. the energy industry is facing a reality check of a tall order. this technology is being developed by independant small time real people with many successful prototypes. this is not rocket science thus does not require further complications/ money grabbing from big oil. energy salvation is at hand and with this enviromental recovery will follow suit.
Posted by:spaceAugust 27, 2007 12:05:15 PMRespond ^
Hydrogen can easly be made on demand by your own car as it is running.why should people pull up to a pump and pay some rich ass holes more money.Stop the peramid pull out from the bottom.
Posted by:bob mawcalAugust 30, 2007 11:51:09 AMRespond ^
Dave writes:"OK , So whos the clever kiddy that is going to set up a site where we can all sighn our names to a global Petition , they couldnt ignore that six billion signitures, lets see then hush that up!" How to ignore 6 billion online signatures: (1) Don't go to the website. (2) Repeat if necessary. Passive-aggressive doesn't cut it!
Posted by:TSpencerSeptember 1, 2007 2:34:09 PMRespond ^
Can you say may what are the contra aspects of an hydrogen car? thank you
Posted by:huhuSeptember 3, 2007 2:13:11 AMRespond ^
I feel the bush administation is too caught up in the bush's partime job in the oil market.Why would there be any dependencies to oil or fossil fuels with hydrogen technology that has been out before i was born 37. I almost thought this article was a joke but i see now it isnt. The public needs to know that other countries are beating us in renueables and alternative energy methods.Iceland is a good example. They used the ready or not stradagy and offered conversions for combustion motors. They were set a date were the last gas station will be closed permanantly and they stuck to it. The cost of materials to make a hydrogen splitter are increasing in cost for some reason. If the government would work on helping develope conversion kits for petrolium cars that are existant today at a discount, educate the public into the idea,set a futuristic date where you must be independant from fossil fuels and stick to it.The only way i had found out about hydrogen power is by mistake looking at propane conversion..everything to power production to marine auto homes buisnesses everything would benefit.. what are they waiting for?I think the petrolium industy has soaked us for enouph and have become verry wealthy.If we put as much into hydrogen methods as we do petrolium methods we would be fulling up at the garden hose every morning instead of worrying should i fill up or pay the morgage. I think the petrolium price gougeing is due to the industrie trying to get as much money out of us till we get smart enough to realize weave been taken.. By our government and by our oil companies..
Posted by:jerrySeptember 4, 2007 9:33:59 PMRespond ^
Wonder why Bush did not divert more money, enrgy and efforts in further developing fuel cell and Hydrgen technology. This could have saved many lives now endangered due to his wrong Iraq policy basically to take control of oil resources there.World will curse this war monger once he becomes a history as the worst ever US President.
Posted by:Saleque SufiSeptember 5, 2007 8:29:02 PMRespond ^
what in the world is going on with this world
Posted by:Diano CalrainSeptember 20, 2007 9:44:38 AMRespond ^
With all the talk about Pres. Bush being an oil man and not wanting hydrogen to work, how about your Great Sen. Kennedy that owns 2 percent of British petrolum. Far more than the bushes will ever be worth. And if you hate Bush, then you loved Clinton, and Gore. Where was the money for research while they were in office. Only after his defeat in the Pres. elections, and wanting to make a come back to the running of Pres. did Gore think about Global Warming. OR wait, that was what he had been thinking about when he designed the internet. Oh well, quit the crying and YOU make something happen. Dont drive as much, burn wood in a fireplace, make your own hydrogen, and off set your cost for fuel. When we run out of oil, then the Arabs can buy 70.00 bushels of corn from us. For something to eat, and for there fuel.
Posted by:almost confusedSeptember 23, 2007 8:40:43 PMRespond ^
how much is the hydrogen car
Posted by:stewartSeptember 26, 2007 3:34:02 AMRespond ^
It's all capitalizim, these oil companies. At what expense? I thought this was America? I thought that the government was for the people?
Posted by:Bill heardSeptember 26, 2007 9:09:01 AMRespond ^
This article explains why Bush and the Oil Companies are the main promoters of the "H2 economy, and why the auto makers keep trotting out H2 prototypes. What isn't explained is the many technical reasons why H2 is a poor automotive fuel. H2 is extremely bulky, it takes a lot of energy just to pack enough onboard to give any reasonable range. Efficiency is poor - Water electrolysis is at best 60% efficient, PEM fuel cells 50%, subtract energy needed for compression or liquifaction and overall efficiency is under 25%. Compare that with 75% to 85% efficiency for charger and batteries. Why waste valuable clean renewable electricity with H2? When "Plug-ins" are much more efficient, and cheaper as well? For the same reason, driving on H2 will always be far more costly than driving electric. Using H2 in an internal combustion engine is even worse, with appallingly low efficiency and poor range. A Prius converted to run on H2 at a cost of $80,000 had a mere 80 mile range per tank. Filling the back end with even more tanks only managed 150 miles per fillup. As for "onboard electrolysis", it is either a dubious attempt to improve fuel efficiency of engines still running mainly on fossil fuels, or a complete fraud. Stan Meyers "water car" really ran on a hidden supply of fuel. Although the volume of all the bubbles from electrolysis looks impressive, the low density of H2 means very little energy is available, not nearly enough to run an engine.
Posted by:CMOctober 1, 2007 2:43:09 PMRespond ^
the real problem here is that stanley meyer and OTHERS have already created a way for cars, buses, ect.. to run on hydrogen safely because there is no need for explosive hydrogen to be stored. Bush wants to create a way to A) make money for himself and his Oil cronies and B) create a situation where an accident will set off a hydrogen explosion(1 or more hydrogen cars) due to an accident. best case scenario for this moron is to have multiple hydrogen cars in close proximity and 1 blows up with the others blowing up due to proximity. then some arse down the line(because moron boy cant be re-elected thank god) declares hydrogen cars illegal and were thrown back into big oil's clutches. our est course of action is to inform as many people as will listen and rally people to these technologies. DEMAND that our government goes by its own laws which dictate that it is illegal for the government or any other entity to suppress technology of any kind, and demand that they release energy technologies that have been around for not just decades, but the past 2 centuries... thats right i said centuries as the first car ever made was made to run on hydrogen via water storage split into hydrogen and oxygen. Be careful in your digging though, you might not want to really know how deep the rabbit hole really goes!
Posted by:cyberguy777October 3, 2007 5:09:21 AMRespond ^
well i do believe that hydrogen is quite an adequate substitute to fossil-fuels i do also believe that it should be made with magical ponies and unicorns not more fossil-fuels:)
Posted by:jefffOctober 18, 2007 11:24:47 AMRespond ^
Money really makes the world go round. Isnt $400 billion dollars enough? I might even be wrong about that estimate. Probably higher, much higher. This world will fall by people's greed.
Posted by:just_a_guyOctober 18, 2007 10:43:05 PMRespond ^
you guys are all [deleted]ed in the head just lower gas prices keep the cars the same and go [deleted] yourselfs you quacks
Posted by:john bannerOctober 23, 2007 10:13:36 AMRespond ^
you guys are all [deleted]ed in the head just lower gas prices keep the cars the same and go [deleted] yourselfs you quacks
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Posted by:howie the downsyndromeOctober 23, 2007 10:17:20 AMRespond ^
Why do we need hydrgen too breath ?
Posted by:Margret SmithOctober 27, 2007 12:46:05 PMRespond ^
We would do better if they brought back the electric car General Motors killed off. Solar hydrogen energy powering our homes would as a result be the source for our cars. Spain seems to be leading the way.
Posted by:Sylvie PollardOctober 31, 2007 3:33:25 PMRespond ^
Hydrogen has 3 pros; it has higher efficiency, it's cleaner, and most importantly, it will free us from foreign oil. It does increase the greenhouse effect like gasoline, I'll admit that, but it's clearly a major advancement to where we are now. If you don't believe water vapor effects the greenhouse effect research(google) the major gases that cause the greenhouse effect. I can't say for sure that we can produce enough energy from wind turbines and solar power alone, if we use fossil fuels we're wasting our time, therefore, I suggest the government research nanotechnology to solve this problem. Using nanotechnology we can make microscopic robots to split and collect the hydrogen atoms from H2O molecules without producing any pollutants. I suggest anyone reading this research nanotechnology themselves; it's almost unbelievable to me all the possibilities it has. In conclusion, I truly believe hydrogen is the way. I challenge you to prove me wrong. dharmainc@comcast.net
Posted by:TQNovember 1, 2007 4:50:35 PMRespond ^
hey just to let u know i was wondering if u could make the flying cars fuel legal well then post some more different types of cars online
Posted by:vanessa loves jesusNovember 5, 2007 11:44:17 AMRespond ^
If the U.S. went to war with Iraq over oil, does that make the U.S. and the U.K. war criminals? How did the world view the German people after WW2? Do you care? Why? Am I offending your sense of national pride? Are you thinking for yourself? Are you doing enough?
Posted by:jc from the ukNovember 7, 2007 1:47:53 PMRespond ^
What a moron. Lets blame Bush for everything. The earth getting warming because of man made Co2 is junk science.The earth is getting warmer because of more sun spot activity,nothing more. Hydrogen is a great idea,and I don't care were the source is from,as long as it works.
Posted by:denis g.November 7, 2007 2:57:17 PMRespond ^
thats your only thought
Posted by:joeNovember 15, 2007 4:51:23 AMRespond ^
Lithium-ion batterys
Posted by:DanNovember 20, 2007 5:35:49 PMRespond ^
Gus in right on target.We need to have a self proclamied protest. How about on December 20th. at 9:00pm. EST we all go outside, turn your car lights on and blow the horn. Will they here us then? This protest would be heard accross the country, and seen from space, by the whole world. If you like the idea , there is plenty of time to spread the word.One more suggestion you all register as Idependent's,now!
Posted by:MikieNovember 24, 2007 3:48:46 AMRespond ^
I agree completely. This strategy however would cause so many new supportive industries that "We the People" would not tolerate. Sorry to say, we do not live in a thoughtful society that promotes "good begetting good", unless your Honda.
Posted by:k kocejaNovember 26, 2007 5:01:06 PMRespond ^
BITCH SHUT THE [deleted] UP NOWW YOU [deleted]ING [deleted]S
Posted by:DannyNovember 27, 2007 7:49:06 PMRespond ^
Me Danny ? I'll take you up on your offer. Come on Down . Name your place , so we can discuss the further delite/sy, and stupid.
Posted by:mikieNovember 28, 2007 2:00:29 PMRespond ^
Hi Guy, where should I start looking?
Posted by:MikieDecember 2, 2007 5:20:29 AMRespond ^
Especially you Barry C. Lynn, did you do ANY homework? Hydrogen Cells do NOT use any form of fossil fuel, they use a hot KOH solution which is highly caustic. ALSO, hydrogen fuel cells was (another) idea developed in Japan, and was being worked on in the US even before G. W. Bush knew it existed! Another thing is water likes to retain its chemical structure, meaning the "harmless water exhaust" would take us from fossil exhaust causing global warming, to plain old WATER causing global warming. Chemical fact, ask a chemistry professor at your local college who has a Ph.D. You people listen to, and jump on, the media bandwagon WAY too much and too quickly without doing ANY research yourself. Also as a final note, your OPINION does not count as FACT.
Posted by:You all are retardedDecember 2, 2007 1:29:37 PMRespond ^
This article is fascinating but it broke my heart! I thought Bush was finally getting it together. I agree with half of your article on the corruption of the oil industry, but I do believe that we can count on coal for a little while longer for energy and hydrogen through carbon sequestration. The way I see it, is that the U.S dependence on nonrenewable resources is like a psychological and physiological addiction. It would be pretty hard to quite cold turkey.
Posted by:Margo TuckerDecember 4, 2007 5:28:43 PMRespond ^
there is a book that came out a while back called the Hydrogen Economy interesting reading first. and Second lets look and see where Bush's Family Money was made. They would have alot to lose with the lower demand for oil thats for damn sure
Posted by:here in NCDecember 5, 2007 4:40:42 PMRespond ^
Nanodetonator and others... > Have you seen the news clip of salt > water ignition through radio wave > frequency modulation to convert hydrogen Yes, the video is quite a hoot... but you've missed the "finer" point of that experiment. The RF energy required to *produce* that result was more than was *generated*. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
Posted by:ChrisDecember 6, 2007 3:48:55 PMRespond ^
the reason why we dont run on electric cars is because of all the bateries needed. if a car was totaly dependant on electricity it would die in about a year (using a stand car battery) because batteries do not last forever. when the battery is dead where does it go? and to the people who say how does the rxn work? when water bonds to oxygen covalent bonds are formed and those bonds give off energy in the rxn so yhea.. and h2 is not as reactive as the single h1 ion because it has a filled s orbital making it similar to [he]'s electron configuration
Posted by:kindnessDecember 7, 2007 4:06:17 PMRespond ^
President Bush's proposal is the first step. Using hydrogen fuel cells will produce less greenhouses gases, and more importantly, get the systematics of transporting large amounts of hydrogen for use in vehicles. After we have made the switch to being able to 'fuel up' with hydrogen at a pumping station, THEN we can switch to getting our hydrogen from a cleaner source.
Posted by:Annie KDecember 8, 2007 10:17:10 AMRespond ^
wow i se a lot of bush bashing going on but it was the DEMOCRAT controlled congress that passed this. So much for the revolution eh? Trying voting for someone other than either the dems or reps next election...local and major please. and the term fossil fuel is propaganda implying this stuff came from dinosaurs and we run out soon. You wouldn't believe how much crude is under the USA...enough to drown SAudia Arabia in it. USE your voting power and quit whining. RonPaul2008.com
Posted by:Jeff in VTDecember 16, 2007 4:40:09 AMRespond ^
dua
Posted by:billy bobDecember 17, 2007 6:55:50 AMRespond ^
hi............ dam if u want a polutent free car stop making cars thast use oil.
Posted by:gegeraDecember 19, 2007 11:57:38 AMRespond ^
I pray u r not right. The thought that hydrogen being made by fossil. Is 1 sick thought for the enviromen... sick Right when I the thought the ledders in the world got thier heads out of there a--.
Posted by:Richard FellDecember 20, 2007 11:53:58 PMRespond ^
Hate to tell you this, but it takes as much energy to split the hydrogen out of watter as it produces. Put in the inherant efficiency losses in any process, and it takes more. Most of the idiots touting this stuff and the water cars don't know what you are talking about. Just read some of the Stan Meyer testimonials and you know its a lie. you cant improve your gas milage by 78%. I do reasearch in fuel cells. To produce enough hydrogen to replace half of the gas in this country would take every erg of generating capacity we currently have. Best way to generate hydrogen is hydro plants or nuke plants, but the enviro's will not stand for it. Wind aint going to cut it.
Posted by:John BDecember 21, 2007 12:20:38 PMRespond ^
you people are leftist kooks suffering from "Bush Derangement Syndrome".
Posted by:chet lundyDecember 26, 2007 9:21:50 PMRespond ^
kook
Posted by:meDecember 26, 2007 9:36:22 PMRespond ^
peace love dope, now go back to the sixties!
Posted by:chetDecember 26, 2007 9:37:57 PMRespond ^
finally, a person with a brain
Posted by:dude manDecember 26, 2007 9:41:01 PMRespond ^
we have lots of energy under the ANWAR but youn kooks freak at the mention of drilling holes in an artic wasteland.I would love to not have to pump gasoline made from oil purchased from third world dictators in south america.
Posted by:dude manDecember 26, 2007 9:45:55 PMRespond ^
if that were the case then why aren't we stealing the oil, ya moron
Posted by:dude manDecember 26, 2007 9:48:06 PMRespond ^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXzK-zrWDgI
Posted by:johnDecember 29, 2007 5:06:22 AMRespond ^
Reasons this won't work: The "free" energy from solar and wind that you speak of is not exactly free. In fact, it costs quite a bit more than the current coal/gas/nuclear/hydro mix that you are using to power your PC to read this. The reason is that the equipment (solar cells, wind turbines, transformers, electronics, etc.) all cost money, are not as efficient as you might expect, wear out over time, require maintenance, etc. bottom line, they are quite expensive. Second reason: “the government”. Don’t look to the government to provide you a green car. The vast majority of people posting comments here seem to think that the government somehow has a magic wand that can make any fantastic dream turn into reality. The real power is with us, the consumers. There has never been a market for “green” cars… until now. Gas has been so cheap that no one cared. Now that there is interest, the demand will build, and the free enterprise system will fill that demand.
Posted by:WBHDecember 29, 2007 8:58:27 AMRespond ^
North of 99% of green house gas is water vapor. CO2 is a relatively small component, of which the man induced proportion is itself small.
Posted by:wbhDecember 29, 2007 9:04:14 AMRespond ^
walk, dont drive. we can put them out of business.
Posted by:wbhDecember 29, 2007 9:05:48 AMRespond ^
problem... it takes far more energy to "inject a resonant frequency" than is released in the form of hydrogen.
Posted by:wbhDecember 29, 2007 9:07:20 AMRespond ^
we could do the same if we would build several hundred nuc plants to provide the energy.
Posted by:wbhDecember 29, 2007 9:08:47 AMRespond ^
Government cannot be trusted on this isssue, especially Bush, who is in the pocket of the oil cartels. His $20 billion paid for by the electorate, to allegedly create a new hydrogen transportation age is merely a sop to the same electorate at their expense to create a subsidy to the oil industry, so that it can continue to maintain its monopoly and simply shift pollution from point of use to point of manufacture, for the next 20 years and beyond. The $20billion should be used to develop onboard hydrogen from water in motor cars, buses, trucks, trains, ships, aircraft and even in the home, to produce free independent non-polluting power. Once in place, there would no need for oil, coal, or, gas, no need for hydrogen storage, or, pseudo fuel cells, no need for hydrogen transportation and no need to invite a future nuclear holocaust by sending kids off to fight suicidal Middle Eastern looney tunes who have, with the help of the oil companies, been ripping-off the western economies for generations. We need bottom-up action by the people now, on the on-board ICE catalyst front and follow the lead of Stan Meyers and many others, who who have proved that the onboard technology works. Moreover, we can have it now and not in 20 years, if ever, should the Bush plan is bought by a gullible consumer. Buy or build the kits, get them working, show the successful results, spread the word, forget about patents, and just do it. If not already seen, the following website is a revelation: http://waterpoweredcar.com/
Posted by:PatrickDecember 31, 2007 9:36:41 PMRespond ^
I cannot belive that bush is trying to extract hydrogen from oil gas,and other fossil fuels that is a big, big shame and we should totally invest in only clean hydrogen from water only not fossil fuels then there is no point in investing in hydrogen. It will only benifet bush and his rich oil companies.
Posted by:ArthurJanuary 4, 2008 6:21:22 AMRespond ^
I love nature, so i think we should invest in hydrogen but not the hydrogen that comes from coal. we have seen advertising for clean coal. coal is never clean! it pollutes our atmosphere and causes ashma. i suffer from ashma because of air pollution. second crude oil has hit $100.00 dollars a barrel. it is a total must to invesat in hydrogen not fossil fuels hydrogen.
Posted by:arthurJanuary 7, 2008 5:39:07 AMRespond ^
i cannot wait to make global warming history and turn this planet into a green planet not a pollted planet thank you russ and dan for supporting my idea for hydrogen powerd automobiles.
Posted by:arthurJanuary 7, 2008 5:47:47 AMRespond ^
I think we should impeach both Bush and Cheney before they turn our loving green planet into a polluted nasty place to live. we should cut the fossil fuels completley in the next few decades or even a few years. If you really care for this planet get a true hydrogen powerd car,put solar panels on your roof,take mass transit more and buy flourecent lighting.
Posted by:ArthurJanuary 8, 2008 11:20:15 AMRespond ^
I love al gore for trying to make our planet green and clean. If he became president i think stan myers invention the water car would already be on the road by the year 2002. It would be in mass production in the u.s. this year. But guess who else became president. Bush and Dick Cheney.
Posted by:al gore=greenplanetforverJanuary 8, 2008 11:37:17 AMRespond ^
terroist
Posted by:321235January 8, 2008 12:02:30 PMRespond ^
terrorist terrorist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by:hgfkuyhJanuary 8, 2008 12:03:41 PMRespond ^
Your type still have yet to prove that CO2 has anything to do with global warming, or that global warming is even happening. The "Dirty Little Secret" is that the planet has been temprature neutral for more than seven years now. The Hydrogen in oil and gas is much easier to obtain that the hydrogen in water. The molecular bond is hard to break in water. Face it... you people won't be happy until capitalism is completely wiped out and we're all slaves of a great socialist empire.
Posted by:JohnJanuary 9, 2008 5:51:17 PMRespond ^
stupid bush hehehe
Posted by:ballsJanuary 11, 2008 1:19:36 PMRespond ^
thank you very much im so happy when i stumble on this kind of information there are still many problems out there but the solutions exist, applying them is a little harder will all the poeople in power or the rich keep trying to stop us! But now everyone knows that pollutions is poisoning us... so PEACE and keep up the good work for there is lots to do,,for ourselves , the children and people to come , and all we love ( my rotweiller !)
Posted by:lifeguardianJanuary 14, 2008 8:05:13 AMRespond ^
john , people only want to fufuill their needs without poluting , think of what production does to the forests alomos 1/2 ares wiped out on earth, soils 1/3 of the soils in my area are sterile, ... , the list goes on and on ,, and this remark ( Face it... you people won't be happy until capitalism is completely wiped out and we're all slaves of a great socialist empire.) has nothing to do with us wanting non polluting energy.
Posted by:lifeguardianJanuary 14, 2008 9:39:46 AMRespond ^
ok anytime
Posted by:lesbianJanuary 14, 2008 2:38:37 PMRespond ^
America's mistake was putting an individual with tremendous financial stake in the oil business into ultimate political power...HELLO!!! If YOU had ultimate power, would YOU shoot yourself in the financial foot, or would you choose to secure more and more millions for yourself? Bush has made his choice, never mind the collapse of the planet or the survival of our offspring...just as long as he makes money, it's all good.
Posted by:chrisJanuary 15, 2008 8:00:03 AMRespond ^
Heres A site that teaches you how to convert your car to run on water http://run-your-car-on-water.blogspot.com/
Posted by:Patch KJanuary 16, 2008 1:24:45 AMRespond ^
its just another attempt to make the government richer and the average person poor. soon its going to be like the old days where there were king and queens and pesants and they were the only ones with money and etc. what ever you have they took the hell with the average person. I am so sick of this f--cked up government there all about the kick backs they get they would rather get 20mil in kick backs than invest in something that could save the people tons of money.
Posted by:pissed off in mississippiJanuary 16, 2008 7:52:04 AMRespond ^
I have been researching the Water Fuel Cell that was invented by Stan Meyer for 5 years. In a nutshell I can duplicate his work, and even surpass the output of HHO that he had gotten. Unfortunately the Government Grants program is only interested in fuel containment, and production for sale and distribution. Hydrogen on demand from water is NOT researched by the government. Am I supposed to just give millions of dollars to the public? I'll probably end up selling it to an oil company so they can sit on it.
Posted by:MEJanuary 23, 2008 8:20:31 PMRespond ^
WITH THE USE OF SOLAR CELLS AND WIND POWER, PRODUCING HYDROGEN WILL BE NO PROBLEM FORGET THE BIG GUYS, JAPAN AND OTHER NATIONS ARE SELLING HYDROGEN MAKERS THAT ARE FOR HOME USE NOT MUCH LARGER THAN A SIDE BY SIDE REFRIGRATER NOW ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE IS TO BUILD HOUSES WITH SOLAR ROOFS OR INSTALL WIND MILLS OR BOTH, FORGET THE CENTRAL FUEL STATION YOU WOULD JUST FILL-UP AT HOME NO MORE UTILIES BILLS YOUR HOUSE WILL BE POWSERED BY THE HYDROGEN THAT YOU PRODUCE. THE FORMULA IS SO SIMPLE ONCE THE HOMES ARE CONVERTED TO HYDROGEN ALL THE PIECES WILL FALL INTO PLACE. EVERYTHING IS ON THE SELF WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR, ( THE POLITIANS TO TELL US SOME MORE LIES SO THE CAN KEEP ALL THE WEALTH TO THEIR SELFS). IF YOU CAN RELATE TO WHATS BEEN SAID PLEASE CONTACT ME LOOKING FOR SUPORT AND INVESTERS.
Posted by:FredJanuary 24, 2008 11:05:49 AMRespond ^
I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, READ WHAT I HAVE TO SAY 1-24-08 FRED IF YOU LIKE IT LETS NET WORK.
Posted by:FREDJanuary 24, 2008 11:18:24 AMRespond ^
That whole electric batteries die in a year theory is false, considering there are Honda EV's from early 2000's that are still running in California (only because Honda was the only manufacturer to let people keep their cars). I suggest that before you waste your time and energy on debating an alternate fuel destined to fail go check out pluginamerica.com. The solution is near, and you won't have to make promises to you kids before you see results.
Posted by:pluginamerica.comJanuary 24, 2008 5:55:22 PMRespond ^
Sounds like Bush and his administration are up to their old tricks of making sure their buddies will make money selling fuel to supply the new so called energy efficent cars that run on hydrogen and mqanage to pollute the enviroment just as much. Anything his hands are in is questionable.
Posted by:Darlene TJanuary 24, 2008 8:00:43 PMRespond ^
READ WHAT I HAVE TO SAY FRED 1-24-08
Posted by:LETS DO SOMETHINGJanuary 25, 2008 9:59:12 AMRespond ^
It seemes to me that our present government asks not what it can do for the people, but what the people can do for our government. We've come a long way;but the wrong way! Do what is good ,not just for a few wealthy families,but for all the people of the world.That shouldn't be too hard to get,or should our new motto be "in Greed we trust!?" I don't think that's what our fore fathers had in mind when they adopted the original motto! If we continue to put God in the background of our thinking then our thinking will continue to get smaller and smaller . God help us and God bless the United States of America!!
Posted by:Dave CrandallJanuary 27, 2008 10:16:22 AMRespond ^
bmw hydrogen 7 reliable
Posted by:JonhJanuary 28, 2008 2:35:50 AMRespond ^
then why was he offered a billion $$ to shut up & stop what he was doing Stan Myers didnt accept $$ he said it was 4 the people then he was murdered
Posted by:XrayJanuary 29, 2008 12:41:01 PMRespond ^
hewater vapor will become a cloud, and then it will turn into rain, idiot-did you drop out of school in 5th grade?
Posted by:mikeJanuary 30, 2008 4:31:45 PMRespond ^
Remember when the horse and buggy was our only means of transportation and then the automobile well it takes time to switch but it will the earth has been around a long long time and went thru all kinds of global warming without man
Posted by:librialFebruary 3, 2008 9:50:44 AMRespond ^
Why would you worry about making money out of your invention?? An invention that will quite literally end wars, famine and poverty. Isn't the money you save by not bying fuel enough?? If you want to make money out of something like thiws, your no better than the oil tyrants we r trying to fight. How about get these systems set up across the globe under the governments noses, then about 2 million people suddenly state what they are doing. You can't silence that many people, and the oil tyrants wouldn't have a leg to stand on... Share the information!! Only together can we make a difference....
Posted by:confused....February 4, 2008 11:50:04 PMRespond ^
refreshing to hear the truth. College chem & physics class would tell us that the tremendous energy required to seperate bond of ox and hydrogen must come from renewable sources to provide a benefit. The technology is just a way to make the electric energy concentrated and mobile. A quantum leap in battery technology would do thew same through electric cars. Bio- diesel looks like the most likely plan since it is suitable for grass roots use. ie no oil companies involved. Corporations do NOT have the best interests of USA in mind.
Posted by:steve wrightFebruary 7, 2008 5:37:20 AMRespond ^
so are your plans to convert water into hyrogen and oxygen a secret or can you show me plans I am a waterman and fish also and wish not to pollute .
Posted by:davidFebruary 11, 2008 5:09:40 AMRespond ^
how much co2 does it make and jow amny hores power,how many miles per gallon
Posted by:wendyFebruary 14, 2008 9:29:56 AMRespond ^
Contol and money is at the peak of all that is happening in this day. We have to have fuel problems with high inflation and terrorist and killings for people to agree to give up their litte freedoms they have left.
Posted by:Live AwakeFebruary 15, 2008 6:51:23 AMRespond ^
FRED - I agree with your thoughts about where the world economy is headed and how it would work in America. I'm confused: Why is there such political fighting about who presented the Roadmap? Gore was Vice President for 8 years and he DIDN'T make it happen. Why not? Is this just anger that the Democrats didn't present it first? Why not take the best parts of this idea and run with it? Or is there too much concern that Bush would get credit?
Posted by:JOHNFebruary 16, 2008 10:24:41 AMRespond ^
I scraped a previous poster's quote re: Iceland- 1) Iceland's population= 300,000. vs USA population-300,000,000. The GDP of Iceland = 10.57 billion vs the GDP of the USA- 12 trillion, 360 billion. The world's economy is oil based. If you think you can just end that because you don't need it any more, well, you need to get your money back from the Economics course you took. By transitioning over to cleaner fuel options by incorporating them into our existing infrastructure, we could be successful, and get it right. If we don't, then we will criple our own economy, and the world's right along with it. Take it slow, geti it right, make it last! "Iceland's already in the process of creating an economy based upon Hydrogen power fueled by geysers. There are already hydrogen battery-powered busses which cost the same amount to run as gas-powered ones. Soon,the entire fishing fleet of Iceland will be powered by Hydrogen. So--it can be done properly--the powers that be just have to have the will to do it."
Posted by:Joni SchaperFebruary 17, 2008 1:22:30 PMRespond ^
The oil industry MUST BE DESTROYED.
Posted by:Rusty ShacklfortFebruary 17, 2008 5:33:36 PMRespond ^
Save the Bush bashing, I came hear to find out about Hydrogen, Not to read more crapp from the far left. The man isn't stupid and he's had to deal with far more trouble and isssues than any other president.
Posted by:AIM120February 19, 2008 4:40:56 PMRespond ^
I like what Dr. Roger Billings has to say about relying on our government to get us off fossil fuels and into a hydrogen-based economy. He ought to know, he spent seven years of his life testifying to Senate committees, DOE, etc., but to no avail.

I think he's got it right when he says that the free enterprise system in America has been and should ever be the way to bring new technologies forth.

I thought he had disappeared from the hydrogen scene but I recently saw a video on http://rogerbillings.info that brings his hydrogen fans up-to-date on what he's doing.

He's well known in the hydrogen research field and looks to me like THE man to watch to make real things happen.

Government and other powerful companies and individuals have too much vested interests to make such a conversion happen.
Posted by:Stacy ClarkFebruary 23, 2008 2:01:59 PMRespond ^
Yea, there is formulas already on the net and videos of huge simple production of hydrogen from tap water, and another super hot burning fuel, salt water elctricity and sound waves of some sort, we can all just build our own, its almost simple, I am buying plans, screw the government, its too late, the simple formula is out there for anyone to take advantage of you just have to do it yourself at this point as its so easy, they cant figure a way to charge us out the ass for it.
Posted by:RobFebruary 24, 2008 12:55:41 PMRespond ^
you suck
Posted by:jesseFebruary 26, 2008 7:51:46 AMRespond ^
hydrogen is to clean
Posted by:jesseFebruary 26, 2008 7:54:26 AMRespond ^
we still need gas for our v-8 for the sound
Posted by:jesseFebruary 26, 2008 7:55:30 AMRespond ^
yu what up
Posted by:jesseFebruary 26, 2008 7:57:19 AMRespond ^
me like hydrogen
Posted by:kateFebruary 26, 2008 8:07:31 AMRespond ^
I absolutely agree with you one hundred percent. Instead of sitting on our butts doing nothing we need to put the matter into our own hands. I was browsing through youtube about this subject and I was so proud to see all those people in their back yards attempting to make hydrogen. I think it is impossible for our governemnt to keep this out of our hands for much longer. Think about it. We are the people, and ultimately we have the say so. It may not be the case anymore, but is sure as hell better get back to that point. Its only a matter of time. Any disagree? Think we're gonna be depending on oil in 20 years like we are now? no way!!
Posted by:Lucas the Piano Man KirbyFebruary 27, 2008 5:11:36 AMRespond ^
Just think, if it wasn't for fossil fuels, our "war president" couldn't live up to his name. Bush sucks. I think we will someday soon be able to restore the value to the US dollar and actually set the standard for the world as a leader in environmentally friendly technologies and sciences.
Posted by:John4H2OFebruary 28, 2008 7:58:21 AMRespond ^
your a moron
Posted by:jesseFebruary 28, 2008 11:40:06 AMRespond ^
from what bush is doin it won't help at all!!!!
Posted by:maverickFebruary 28, 2008 9:33:25 PMRespond ^
he also said that an X-amount of $$$$$
is set aside for hydrogen research grants, ( where is mine?)
Posted by:pro-boatMarch 5, 2008 10:36:46 PMRespond ^
Do you know what is goin to happen to cost of water???? If we consume water as a fule, it's going to cost us as much for water as we are paying for gas now. $3.50 per gal to take a shower.... Grass, trees, animals, cost of produce, flushing your toilet, washing dishes and on and on. Hydrogen might be the answer for short term but what we realy need to do is bust$$$ large companies for hiring people that live more them 5 miles away from there job. Around here it's not uncommon to see people live 30-50 miles from there work place. That causes trafic jams and bad use of fule. I worked for the water dept here in our city. If people were to start using there tap water to fule there cars, it would empty the local water supply in very little time. To even think about that is stupid and a bad idea. This means you would have to have a supply just for transportation use and the best way to do that would be a massive Desalination plant, that's where it will become taxable and expensive (goverment control). You can't blame the goverment they have to keep us happy with nice roads, national parks, govermant funded education, cross walks, and all the other things we have grown to expect to be there when we go out our front doors. I'm all for it but we need a group plan, not empty our local water system and rivers to fule your cars. So work on supply first while your fixing the demand of necesseity.
Posted by:badloginMarch 6, 2008 11:20:54 AMRespond ^
One guy said that the price of water will increase. Dont be silly ur so brainwashed by oil! 70% of the earth is covered in H2O!!! and increasing becuz of global warming. You just need the Hydrogen thats all, the cars will emmit H2O which will evaporate and rain down again just to be used again ie renewable source of power, it'll never decrease.
Posted by:AppleMarch 7, 2008 1:01:37 PMRespond ^
i live in northern ny, we have wind, solar, and water
power , enough to heat, power cars and trucks in the
entire northeast, but we are stop by the government
at every turn.
Posted by:dennis mcfaddenMarch 9, 2008 10:08:34 AMRespond ^
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Posted by:loser buddieMarch 12, 2008 8:31:09 AMRespond ^
I am fed up with the oil industry's strangle-hold on our economy - both personal and industrial - through the enormous prices on fuel. We have oceans, lakes and rivers full of hydrogen - H2O. And hydrogen cannot be burned like fossil fuels are. They re-enter our environment and remain available, unlike fossil fuels. At present, we weigh our cars, trucks and planes down with fuel - requiring additional power just to carry it. Hydrogen would weigh absolutely nothing costing absolutely nothing to carry it. Let's group together to get politics and oil-industrial pressures out of the picture. Oil-based fuels are choking our country and our citizens.
Posted by:G. A. HardmanMarch 20, 2008 8:18:47 AMRespond ^
This is pretty crazy, any energy or fule source that is completly clean of emissions is what everyone wants to use, of corse large corporation won't let the strangle hold go on us consumers, this is why they are saying..YES GO HYDROGEN, but then push us to install a hydrogen fuel tank to then STILL fill us at the gas station.... HYDROGEN CAN BE MADE ON DEMAND in your car, no large tank required and no refueling at the gas station, top up with water, maybe add electrolyte if not using salt water, all completly free.

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Posted by:justinMarch 24, 2008 5:43:42 PMRespond ^
There is no such thing as a "renewable" energy source. All the energy in the universe has allready been created. Energy is being converted from one form to another. Look up the Laws of Thermodynamics.
Posted by:EricMarch 25, 2008 6:33:04 AMRespond ^
This has to be the most ignorant and biased article I've seen in a long time. The author assumes that all Hydrogen will be produced via electricity generated from oil and coal burning plants. He fails to take into account nuclear, hydro, solar, and wind based electricity generation along with Photovaliac and biological methods to create hydrogen. Perhaps you should do some scientific research before writing articles on subjects you know nothing about.
Posted by:MattZMarch 28, 2008 7:39:25 AMRespond ^
Regardless of how they process the water to get the hydrogen, it's a step in the right direction.

You can't just make the switch from reliance on fossil fuels instantly, you'd cripple the economy. We have to slowly wean off our dependence on fossil fuels and give the big bad companies time to reassess their goals.

You have to look at the big picture here, or at least pay greater mind to the wider implications.

And if you do want to make a difference, you can always make your own hydrogen with a wind turbine or a solar panel. That will send them the message quicker than bitching and moaning about it.
Posted by:BobApril 4, 2008 5:43:02 AMRespond ^
we can only point fingers to the masses that elected Bush, We need to look at the whole picture when voting for a leader.
Posted by:losApril 8, 2008 4:51:42 PMRespond ^
yea,sell your tecknology to the government,big money,maybe build an orphanage or something,whatever makes you feel good. The government knows whats in the average American's best
interest anyways.(bang up job so far)I have a system for making hydrogen thats
not new but very unique, efficient,and
symplistic. When I perfect it, I will give it to ANYONE who can concieve a society with free energy. Within a few months I will be in a possition to boycot fossil fuels,and finally I can stop allowing my hard earned money to fund the war machines that keep repressing people all around the world.
Back to your asperations,hope you get big money for your invention maybe become just as RICH as your comander and chief
George Bush. Great minds think alike.
Posted by:StuartApril 11, 2008 10:15:51 PMRespond ^
dude forget hydrogen
i have a gokart that runs off of recycled trash
fo' sure
Posted by:mack10April 14, 2008 7:11:09 PMRespond ^
CM- HHO ("Brown's Gas") can safely run your car, and other stuff.

Check out B.E.S.T. Korea LTD.

Under the hood / in the trunk poor man hydro-oxy fuel cells do work, and work well.
Posted by:DalesApril 17, 2008 2:12:03 PMRespond ^
The U.S. NEEDS TO GET Hydrogen In to FULL SWING FOR CARS HOUSES ELETRICITY, GAS IS BULL[deleted] IF IT WERE NOT FOR OIL COMPANYS WE COULD HAVE HAD HYDROGEN IN ALL CARS BY NOW-- ONE PISSED OFF KID
Posted by:HELPApril 18, 2008 1:23:35 PMRespond ^
You nailed it with this article. Have you researched on-board hydrogen generators? Who has the best design?
scottlogue67@hotmail.com
Posted by:W.S. LogueApril 19, 2008 5:49:30 PMRespond ^
Hydrogen is in Water. You do not have to get hydrogen from fossil fuels.
Posted by:N/AApril 27, 2008 12:59:53 PMRespond ^
When are the powers in washington going to stop talking and take action.We are sending billions of dollars from buying oil to the Arabs so the funding goes on to the terrorist;as they can continue to fueling their cause and hell bent in killing us!It appears to me we have been [deleted] footing with BIG OIL and they are getting away with putting us on a fast track of becoming a third world nation.If Big OIl wants to continue to bilk us out of our money and are doing a great job of it;when are they going to get off their butts and drill for oil at home, Surely At 120 dollars a barrel now, should make it worthwhile to drill here!
Posted by:joeApril 29, 2008 6:28:40 AMRespond ^
Skip the government alltogether and go invest in companies that are advancing hydrogen technologies. We have to "take matters into your own hands"
Posted by:AmberMay 6, 2008 8:10:40 PMRespond ^
I say "to hell with the oil companies". New technology has always reshaped our world. When digital music became a reality, it entirely changed the music business, and nobody seemed to think it was necessary to save the record companies. Newspapers around the world are struggling to survive because of the availability of instant news through electronic media. No business interest should have the power to enslave people to sustain its financial gains. This hydrogen technology should be researched and put into practical use as quickly as possible.
Posted by:billRMay 9, 2008 2:25:28 PMRespond ^
I have read a lot of comments and do appriciate them all , but I haven't seen
where anyone has mentioned that we still need oil to run our car engines and many other pieces of equipment. Home airconditioners air compressors ect, all need oil for lubrication . we will always need oil products to live a quality life style and I believe we can make all the HHO fuel we need using a unit in most cars to produce it on demand and greatly reduce the need for fosil fuels.
Having said that I do believe we can successfully run any internal combustion engine on hydrogen made from water, I have been working on the idea and have made several HHO generators but so far I haven't produced enough HHO to run and engine on it completely it has only supplimented the gas we presently use , but I'm just getting started and I have had over 50 yrs as a certifeid machanic and know that todays cars are very complex and to run them on HHO alone there has to be lots of changes made to the computerized system






















Posted by:louMay 9, 2008 7:56:53 PMRespond ^
every one who has read this article needs to send this page to all of your lawmakers. At the same time remind them who elects them. Its time for the govt to fear 'we the people' instead of the other way around. viva le revolution!
Posted by:gregMay 9, 2008 11:54:09 PMRespond ^
www.teslamotors.com
over 250 mile range I think.

They're expensive now but a family edition will be out soon.
Posted by:TonyMay 9, 2008 11:55:54 PMRespond ^
I'm sure the Govt. will Screw this up also.
Posted by:TonyMay 9, 2008 11:57:53 PMRespond ^
Great idea Amber we need more independent recearch in the field of hydrogen, in an earlier post I stated that I have been working on such a system to produce HHO on demand I know people like Stalney Meyer, Yull Brown and many others have made successful units, but not much info is there to help an amature like me but maybe with Gods help it will happen keep up the good comments it helps if we all have positive input :-)
Posted by:LouMay 10, 2008 4:58:33 AMRespond ^

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