"Free Tibet" vs. "Free-Speech Zones"
News: San Francisco Dispatch: The Olympic torch's forthcoming pass through North America is shaping up to be a uniquely lefty grudge match.
March 31, 2008
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Few things give the people of San Francisco a warmer, fuzzier feeling than the sight of two dozen real-life Tibetans wrapped in chuba dresses and sun flags taking to the streets to demand justice. One such demander was Tsewang Khangsar, a beatific former shepherd boy who fled his Tibetan village on foot in 1961 and last week held a placard on the steps of City Hall that said "Olympics in China: Torture in Tibet" and proclaimed, "We are totally outraged." That his outrage was directed squarely at the city's own lefty mayor, Gavin Newsom, hardly dampened the enthusiasm of passing motorists, who smiled and waved. "Tibetans liked Newsom when he was first elected," Khangsar said. "But we didn't know he could totally turn his back on us."
The clash between the Free Tibet movement, one of the Bay Area's most popular causes, and Newsom, one of its most popular politicians, was sparked in March by the city's plans to host the Olympic torch's only pass through North America. Anticipating massive demonstrations by human rights activists at the April 9thevent, the city has withheld the full torch route and announced that it will restrict protesters to "free speech zones," a practice widely employed during appearances by President Bush, but virtually unheard of in San Francisco in recent years. The protest issue has divided the city's elected Board of Supervisors, with some members pushing for a resolution condemning China's human rights record during the event and others siding with Newsom, who told the San Francisco Chronicle that he did not want to "politicize the Olympics." He added, "I separate the issue of Tibet. . .from the Olympic games," which should be a time "to focus on the things that unite us and not divide us."
The perceived disdain of city leaders for Olympics-related protest has incensed human rights groups ranging from Save Darfur to the ACLU and surprised experts on the history of the Olympics. "I think the idea that the Olympics shouldn't be politicized is silly," says David Wallechinsky, vice president of the International Society of Olympic Historians. The long tradition of protests at the games includes campaigns by Jewish, Catholic, and Labor groups leading up the 1936 Olympics in Berlin; the Black Power demonstration by African American athletes on the top of the victory stand in 1968; and boycotts of the event by the United States in 1980 and Moscow in 1984. "The Olympics are part of the world," Wallechinsky notes, "and the world is political."
Unlike the 1988 games in Seoul, which are credited with nudging South Korea toward democracy, many Olympic historians believe that awarding the Games to Beijing was a mistake that is likely to strengthen China's communist regime without improving its human rights record. South Korea was an emerging economy looking to enter world markets; China is the United States' second-largest trading partner and holds $388 billion in American foreign debt. "What the Chinese Communist Party wants more is not to impress the outside world but to impress their own people—to show that the world is coming to them," says Wallechinsky, who is also the author of a comparative book on dictators. "And I think that they don't see any reason to change. Even if they did do something like open up the Internet for three weeks, once the closing ceremony is over, the next day they are going to shut it down again."
Though now a symbol of global unity, the torch relay got its start during the so-called Fascist Olympics held in 1936 Berlin, when the Nazis seized upon the idea as a way to associate the Third Reich with ancient Greece. The Olympics have often been linked with bursts of authoritarianism in host countries: Moscow banished its dissidents, Seoul shuttered its dog restaurants, and Atlanta booted its homeless out of downtown.
In the wake of China's recent military crackdown in Tibet, the imperative to expose its human rights record at the Olympics is clear, says University of Texas sports historian John Hoberman. "Human rights matter more than athletes' rights," he says, adding of Newsom's free-speech zones, "As somebody who spent '66 to '72 in Berkeley, that doesn't sound very Bay Area to me." Wallechinsky called the free-speech zone idea "Bushian" and "kind of surreal." (Newsom, who didn't respond to interview requests, has backed off of the idea in recent days).
To be sure, San Francisco has good reason to handle protests against China gingerly. The Bay Area is one of China's largest U.S. trading partners and also a perennial contender to host the Olympic Games. On Sunday, U.S. Senator and former San Francisco mayor Dianne Feinstein publicly urged the San Francisco Board of Supervisors to shelve its protest resolution, arguing that publicly dissing the Chinese during what is considered a goodwill gesture will only make discussing human rights concerns with them more difficult. A few days later, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who had visited the Dalai Lama in India and proclaimed the Chinese crackdown on Tibetans "a challenge to the conscience of the world," endorsed the rights of San Franciscans to protest during the torch ceremony. "The Olympics should provide more opportunity for free expression, not less," she said in a statement, but stopped short of speaking in favor of the protest resolution.
Authored by San Francisco Supervisor Chris Daly along with Tibetan and Falun Gong activists, the resolution urges the city's representative in the torch ceremony to "make publicly known that the 2008 Summer Games Torch is received with alarm and protest." That kind of broad, shrill statement would probably be counterproductive, Wallechinsky says, but he'd still like to see San Francisco's representative give a nuanced speech during the ceremony objecting to China's policies without appearing to condemn China's people or the Olympics.
Globally, San Francisco is far from the only city to grapple with how to receive China's torch; it will pass through New Delhi, London, and Paris, where French president Nicolas Sarkozy has floated the possibility of boycotting the Olympics' opening ceremony. For Wallechinsky, the irony of the torch relay this year is the spectacle of cities in the free world defending China's police state against their own citizens. "That," he says, "is a really strange dynamic."
Josh Harkinson is Mother Jones' San Francisco reporter.

I do not agree with Tibetan violence towards Chinese. I do not agree with Chinese violence toward Tibetans. I wouldn't like any country to try to take over China, America or any other country. I never supported the Iraq war.
I have been studying the Tibetan people and situation in Tibet since 1975. I grew up in America where we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I have always supported the Tibetans' right to be their own country (to promote cultural and religious autonomy).
The Dalai Lama is a peaceful man and does not promote violence.
It is time for His Holiness to walk back to his homeland in peace.
Three duties
"What he has threatened is that, if Tibetans turn to violence, it would be impossible for him to be the political head of their movement and he would have to resign." news.bbc.co.uk
"If they choose violence as the means to achieve their political ends then the Dalai Lama cannot lead that movement," says secretary Tenzin Taklha, speaking from Dharamsala in northern India where the Dalai Lama lives in exile.
"He cannot resign as the Dalai Lama. He will die the Dalai Lama."
The "Office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama" sets out three main commitments in the Dalai Lama's life.
Firstly, "on the level of a human being", he is committed to promoting of values such as compassion, forgiveness, tolerance, contentment and self-discipline.
Secondly, on the level of a religious practitioner, he is committed to helping bring religious harmony and understanding.
"His third commitment is to the Tibetan issue. His Holiness has a responsibility to act as the free spokesperson of the Tibetans in their struggle for justice," his office states.
"As far as this third commitment is concerned, it will cease to exist once a mutually beneficial solution is reached between the Tibetans and the Chinese.
"His Holiness will carry on with the first two commitments until his last breath."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7302369.stm
"For centuries Tibet existed as a culturally rich and independently governed nation. A place of great peace and natural magnificence, it gave refuge and religious freedom to a people whose language, laws, institutions and customs were created with one thing in mind: the creation of a society totally imbued with and inspired by love, kindness and human compassion.
That all changed with the invasion of the Chinese in 1949."
http://gerefoundation.org/tibet_tragedy.html
It is time for everyone to forgive and give cultural and religious freedom.
"The Olympic should take place in Beijing. So this, More than one billion human being, that means Chinese, they feel proud of it. So, The expression of our respect to that great nation: I always support Olympics should take place in China." Dalai Lama
Dalai Lama supports the Olympics in Beijing, China
China PLEASE support the Dalai Lama and Tibetan cultural and religious autonomy. I really believe this is how you can get All the world to Love China more. This will encourage Americans, British, Europeans and Westerners to invest more in your Country.
The world is watching and listening, the truth is to be known.
Doing it now, we can make a difference.
Every little bit helps. The timing is right.
This is the only world we have and when we are tolerant of each other we can live in harmony.
Best regards,
(Peace & Love, for real)
China has come a long way in the past 10 years.
intending a peaceful outcome.
Scott Ballard
http://www.dalailama.com/news.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama
http://www.tibet.com/DL/biography.html
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On the day of riot, all Tibetens in Lhasa just hang the hada, a white silk scarf on their door, for mobsters to identify the Chinese homes. Can you imagine what else would happen except ethnic cleansing, if these thousands mobsters continued the 8 hours rioting with nobody stopping them?
West hate China because China is a success story. A story reflect West's fear, regret, jealousy and frustration when seeing a poor boy next door rising as a world power and becoming daily stronger on a capitalist road, but advised, lectured, helped and financed just by West itself. More frustrated is this power is just yelow in race and communist in ideology.
Think of it and dig deep in your heart.
http://forum.xinhuanet.com/detail.jsp?id=52676599
And lets not forget that it was the US which was responsible for the Chinese entering Tibet in the first place by creating the Lhasa airstrip in order to advance their campaign to encircle China.
Perhaps American Democracy could be brought to Tibet in a form similar to that used in Iraq.
Re: Tibet facts versus PRC Fiction: PSB and soldiers of PRC China dressed as monks used in Lhasa Riots propoganda show
Facts versus Fiction regarding Tibet :
regarding Tibet prior to 1949 Tibet was a Free Sovereign Independent nation :
Tibet Justice Centre documents :
treaties ,laws,postage,passports,currency all issued by The Tibetan Govt before illegal Chinese invasion and annexation by China .
Tibet Justice Center - Legal Materials on Tibet - Complete Table ...
Human Rights,murder,torture ,abuse cases documented by Independent sources:
Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy
TCHRD is a Tibetan NGO that investigates the human rights situation in Tibet and presents this information internationally in various fora.
www.tchrd.org/
Gu Chu Sum
Political prisoners in Tibet | Tibetan ex-political prisoners
Helping Tibetan political prisoners in Tibet and ex political prisoners in India .
www.guchusum.org/
Environmental destruction caused by Chinese in
Tibet :
Tibet 2000: Environment and Development Issues
This is the first in-depth study of the impact of 41 years of Chinese rule on Tibet's environment. The study shows that Chinese policies have led to ...
www.tibet.com/Eco/tibet-2000.html
breakdown of law and order increase in Han Chinese crime caused by Han Chinese living in Tibet .
Congressional report on Tibet citing independent sources:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78771.htm#tibet
The PRC Govt Beijing planned Han Chinese population transfer policy and its effects on Tibetan people:
http://www.tibet.com/WhitePaper/white8.html
http://tibet.com/Humanrights/HumanRights96/hr96_10.html
India's Nepali population transfer policies in Sikkim
and Ladakh :
Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975. It was Kazi Lhendup Dorji who treacherously shook hands with the Indian Government to annex Sikkim . In return he was made the first Chief Minister of Sikkim by India.Remember the dates April 10 and April 14 1975. Those were the days the overwhelmingly illegal ethnic Nepalis sold away a foreign country that
sheltered them. It was also a culmination of the many factors that
contributed to the gradual disappearance of Sikkim . First the
population, then the Sikkimese culture, language and tradition,
and finally, Sikkim as a state by the virus called Nepali immigrants.
This was a well planned Nepali population transfer policy of the
Indian Govt during 1975 led by Indira Gandhi.
17 Sep 1842 The Buddhist Kingdom of Ladakh
was forcefully incorporated
into the Jammu state by India ,
April 1975 Illegal annexation of Buddhist Kingdom of Sikkim by
Indian military force
Mustang ( Nepal ), illegally annexed by Nepal
By the end of the 18Th century, the Buddhist Kingdom was
illegally annexed by Nepal.
Sherpa regions ( Nepal ),
Dolpo ( Nepal ),
Sikkim ( India ),
Assam ( India ),
Ladakh ( India ).
are all Tibetan people speaking Tibetan language and
practising Tibetan Buddhism
until illegal foreign annexation of most by either
India and Nepal .
US Govt racist White Settler planned population transfer policies against Native Americans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Wars
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2959.html
Broken US Treaties with Native American Tribes:
http://www.aimovement.org/ggc/trailofbrokentreaties.html
The atheletes fought, NOT for territories, NOT for loot, NOT for right vs. wrong, but for the simple "Olive Branch Crown", the symbol of Hope and Peace.
It seems the New World order of armchair Humanitarians are bent on corrupting this ancient ideal of "Game without Politics".
But then again, Human Rights movements are largely extensions of geopolitics now, with States sponsoring their own favorite "causes", and funding them with taxes.
Perhaps modern Humanitarians should learn to take the "politics" out of Human Rights.
Beyond free speech, free press, free religion, there are the age old Human Necessities to such simple yet forgotten things like, Food, Water, Medicine, and even Technologies that will lift human beings from horrible yet preventable miseries.
And there is an even MORE fundamental "Human Right" that the Humanitarians have forgotten: The Right of a man, woman, or child, to enjoy a party in their own backyard, or a Politics free Olympic game.
And 1.3 Billion Chinese are waiting for it.
*But I note, there are many "humanitarians" today, who pursue lofty dreams of undefinable freedom for everyone, and yet refuses to pick up trash or buy a meal for a homeless.
These "Idea Warriors" imitate Gandhi, but they do not recall that Gandhi weaved his own cloth and grew his own food, not merely to sympathize with the Poor of India, but also to understand where they MOST need help.
Gandhi's credential and Indian Independence were NOT built upon mere "peaceful protests", but Protest on simple things like "Salt Tax", etc.
(And on that note, we see the embellishment of Hollywood to make the Dalai Lama into another Gandhi. But unlike Gandhi, who weaved his own COARSE cloth robes and shawl, the Dalai Lama is fond of collecting Gucci watches, and is wined and dined by the social elites of the Western World.) Oh Please, a Gandhi he is definitely NOT. Greatly spiritual the Dalai may be, he has NEVER tasted the bitterness and poverty of his people, in Tibet or in Exile.
The Humanitarians have pampered him, and polished him daily with their constant public accolade of him, until he is saintly and golden.
In this immaculate state, many may worship him.
But still, a Gandhi he is NOT.
He and his movement, are exactly what Hollywood West Humanitarians made them into: A new Golden Calf, without relevance to their own past and the ideals they aspired to be.
A Golden Calf, carved in the image of the makers, the Humanitarians who know ONLY of the Lofty dreams, but nothing of the ordinary human rights in the bread, water, salt, cloth, and GAMES.
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Hey People,
You know, i read Motherjones everyday just to keep reminding myself of all the home grown terrorists in our own country that spout crap like this..!! I can't believe any educated person would think of the USA as being a country that abuses human rights..? Thank God for the middle of the country, that is able to compensate for the wack jobs on the coasts...And for the Electoral College that keeps you Lefties out of power... ahhaha
BIll
I was so appalled that I sent of an email to Mayor Newsom's office about his decision to employ "free speech zones" for the route of the Olypic Torch as it passes through San Francisco. The text of the email follows:
Dear Mayor Newsom,
Let me be one of the first to remind you, and George W. Bush, that the United States of America is a FREE SPEECH ZONE from north to south and from sea to shining sea (nnot forgetting Hawaii and Alaska). You may have missed it while you were in grammar school but freedom of speech is prominently mentioned in a document we like to call the Bill of Rights.
Your inane and probably illegal decision to restrict acccess for protesters along the route of the Olympic Torch to "free speech zones" is yet another of the paramount reasons that I am thankful that I do not live in your 'fair' City by the Bay.
Both you and George W. Bush (temporary employees) might want to sit in on a U.S. History class or just go to the public library to bone up on the rights of the citizens of this country. The worm is turning and Americans are going to start electing people to serve them who understand that our rights are given to us by God and they may not be taken away by mere men or women.
There are neither kings nor queens nor princes nor princesses in the United States of America and there never will be.
Very sincerely,
Rev. Michael Weaver-Robbins, retired
I could not let this affront to our civil liberties pass without having my say about it to Mayor Newsom.
These sacred documents will again set the course that makes America different from all the other places on the planet once 'We the People' rid ourselves of this amoral and arrogant idiot along with his cadre of neocons. We must then replace the gutless members of the Congress who allowed Bush and Cheney to dismantle our freedoms while invading a sovereign nation based on fear mongering and blatant lies.
Do not give in to fear my fellow Americans. Starting today we can all work for the America that we should have had all along if we just don't let liars and dullards trick us again.
Too many Americans have given "the last full measure of devotion" over the decades since 1776 and 1787 including over 4,000 since Bush ordered the invasion and occupation of Iraq for us to allow George W. Bush and those who support him and his policies to steal our freedoms. We and the world-at-large have paid a terrible price for our failure to choose for our leaders people of intellect and integrity with strong morals. Let's begin today!
http://blog.privcom.gc.ca/index.php /2008/01/18/in-this-zero-sum-game-were-all-losers/
ACLU: Military Skirting Law to Spy
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie s/N/NATIONAL_SECURITY_LETTERS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer
article INCLUDES DOCUMENTS:
Federal judge's decision ruling parts of Patriot Act unconstitutional
Letter from Attorney General Gonzales to Sens. Leahy and Specter, Jan. 17, 2007
Letter from Sens. Leahy and Specter Requesting Court Case Information from FISA Court, Jan. 17, 2007
Response from FISA Court Presiding Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, Jan. 17, 2007
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NEW YORK (AP) -- The military is using the FBI to skirt legal restrictions on domestic surveillance to obtain private records of Americans' Internet service providers, financial institutions and telephone companies, the ACLU said Tuesday.
The American Civil Liberties Union based its conclusion on a review of more than 1,000 documents turned over by the Defense Department after it sued the agency last year for documents related to national security letters, or NSLs, investigative tools used to compel businesses to turn over customer information without a judge's order or grand jury subpoena.
"Newly unredacted documents released today reveal that the Department of Defense is using the FBI to circumvent legal limits on its own NSL power," said the ACLU, whose lawsuit was filed in Manhattan federal court.
ACLU lawyer Melissa Goodman said the documents the civil rights group studied "make us incredibly concerned." She said it would be understandable if the military relied on help from the FBI on joint investigations, but not when the FBI was not involved in a probe.
The FBI referred requests for comment Tuesday to the Defense Department. A department spokesman, Air Force Lt. Col. Patrick Ryder, said in an e-mail that the department had made "focused, limited and judicious" use of the letters since Congress extended the capability to investigatory entities other than the FBI in 2001.
He said the department had acted legally in using a necessary investigatory tool and noted that "unusual financial activity of people affiliated with DoD can be an indication of potential espionage or terrorist-related activity."
Ryder said the information in the ACLU claims came in part from an internal review of DoD's use of the letters.
"We have since developed training and provided it to the services for their use," he said.
He said that there was no law requiring it to track use of the letters but that the department had decided it was in its best interest to do so.
Goodman, a staff attorney with the ACLU National Security Project, said the military is allowed to demand financial and credit records in certain instances but does not have the authority to get e-mail and phone records or lists of Web sites that people have visited. That is the kind of information that the FBI can get by using a national security letter, she said.
"That's why we're particularly concerned. The DoD may be accessing the kinds of records they are not allowed to get," she said.
Goodman also noted that legal limits are placed on the Defense Department "because the military doing domestic investigations tends to make us leery."
In other allegations, the ACLU said:
- The Navy's use of the letters to demand domestic records has increased significantly since the Sept. 11 attacks.
- The military wrongly claimed its use of the letters was limited to investigating only Defense Department employees.
- The Defense Department has not kept track of how many national security letters the military issues or what information it obtained through the orders.
- The military provided misleading information to Congress and silenced letter recipients from speaking out about the records requests.
Goodman said Congress should provide stricter guidelines and meaningful oversight of how the military and FBI make national security letter requests.
"Any government agency's ability to demand these kinds of personal, financial or Internet records in the United States is an intrusive surveillance power," she said.
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Then as if that isn't enough, they create the facist free speech zones. I recall a time when permits were not needed. Now you need a permit to get penned up like farm animals.
Damn the permits! Damn the zones! Storm the towers of empire!
Maybe the chance has passed, but I don't see how any civilized country could take part in holding the games in a country where the major gain of the games is by a horrifically brutal ruling regiem that has been documented to have forced non-violent budhist children to kill their parents, put coals into the eyes of buddhist monks, forced abortions and sterilization of Tibetan women, and raped budhist nuns with broomsticks and electric prods! These aren't rare or isolated events, and they are documentated in biographies, and by people like Richard Gere and the Dalai Lama's official website. This is a black-hearted power that at least rivals the Nazis of World War II. I was appalled when I heard they were chosen to host the Olympics, and not only greatly disappointed that the opertunity to force change in China is being lost, but amazed that more countries aren't threatening to boycott the Olympics with this current
sham excuse to commit more autrocities and eradication of Tibet!
See:
*http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact6.html#abort
*http://www.freetibet.org/info/key_issues.html
*Chogyam Trungpa's biography
*http://www.tchrd.org/publicat ions/topical_reports/tales_of_ terror-torture-1999/#Under%20age%20torture
I fail to see what is ironic about 'cities' in the free world accommodating the propaganda exercise sponsored by China's totalitarian regime, as does Wallechinsky. After all, we must not conflate the government with the populace it purports to represent. Newsom and Feinstein are elitists who strictly limit their contact with the commoners; there is nothing ironic about their eagerness to call upon the police apparatus to insure the smooth unfolding of this grotesque p.r. extravaganza.
If you lived in S.F., you would know that the city government does not trust its lummox-like and inept cops to handle the slightest 'crowd control' challenge, and the strategy is simply to pre-emptively scuttle the gathering of large numbers of folks who may not behave like good little drones, e.g. the thugs shut down the Halloween celebration last year and have closed Union Square on New Year's Eve for the past 7 or 8 years, despite the fact that it was the traditional gathering spot for years. The SFPD would rather not work up a sweat. My city, once a beacon to misfits and contrarians, year by year becomes more of a bland and suburbanized refuge for insipid Mammon-worshippers with 'liberal' leanings. Only someone who observes from a distance, equipped with out-of-date notions about S.F.'s wild-and-wooly political culture, would find it 'ironic' that our Boy Wonder mayor would dare to corral an increasingly docile citizenry.
Well at home yes, but its numerous overseas client states in Central & South America, Asia and the Middle East, on which America has drawn much of its resources and wealth from, generally don't. And what should the world make of Guantanamo Bay ? The USA exports oppression to feed its own appetite for freedom.
So much nonsense is being uttered by so many self-important cultural managers, who, I suppose, we should expect to receive endorsements from the major media who don't comment on the commentary, displaying the famous, or notorious, 'objectivity' that has often been remarked by objective observers of the media. The alternative media will actually be the alternative media - to the extent that they are prepared to comment on inane commentary.
It isn't surprising to see how often our political leadership departs from the people in this matter of China's oppression of Tibetans. As Chomsky matter-of-factly puts it, often, 'The people are the enemy'. It does however, seem to not get commented on a whole lot. It's a good story and, for a world that loves democracy, it's also a story I would have thought more people would have been writing about. I've seen some reportage along those lines mind you.
In a twisted way, The people - hopefully not all - are not the enemy in China, a bad thing. Like peace in Iraq after the surge, due not to a dispatching of the bad guys, but due to ethnic cleansing in sections of the country that has mostly been accomplished, Chinese citizens are, reportedly, solidly behind their inhuman government. Congratulations Chinese ruling class, you've shown your pride in your country by turning your own citizens into zombies who actually think that reality is what you tell them it is, rather than what they might discover for themselves if they could communicate freely with the world.
Finally, Many of the differences, I'm sorry to report, between our elites and the Chinese ruling class, are superficial. Then again, The news is good - in a twisted sort of way. (The world is twisted. What can I say?) There is unity among peoples happening, in this case, among world leaders and elites. You just have to watch our self-important cultural and political leaders expressing their 'concern' for Darfur, Burma and Tibet to know that. It's so stinging, China's leadership, unseen, raises a glass to them.
I'm all for a boycott if China doesn't respond positively to the activists' concerns. Obviously, The boycott is not the goal. The goal, no matter how hard our self-important, capitalist spokespersons try to misrepresent it, is to get China's leadership to care.
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Yes yes... All bow down to the great totalitarian state and UN model for the future global prison planet! We should all just worship china and embrace their policy of organ harvesting from political dissidents.. After all human rights and individual liberty is totally unamerican right? all hail the new world order! LOL, Good luck you zombies.