Credit Rating Exec: "We Sold Our Souls to the Devil"

Internal documents show that while rating firms publicly defended their practices, executives privately wondered when the house of cards would fall.

Wed October 22, 2008 12:00 AM PST
For years, credit rating agencies—the referees of Wall Street—insisted they were an impartial source of information, despite their financial reliance on the companies they rated. Then came the market meltdown—and a chorus of accusations that firms had artificially inflated their risk ratings to please their clients and gain a competitive edge. And now there's plenty of evidence to suggest the "referees" were unduly influenced by the players.

According to internal documents released at a congressional hearing Tuesday, while rating agencies strenuously defended their independence publicly, some of their top executives acknowledged privately that they faced fundamental conflicts. As one executive at Moody's, a major credit rating agency, put it following an internal discussion on the implosion of the subprime mortgage market, "These errors make us look either incompetent at credit analysis, or like we sold our soul to the devil for revenue." The documents lend credibility to charges by Wall Street executives that the rating agencies deserve part of the blame for the current financial crisis. "The story of the credit rating agencies is a story of colossal failure," said Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, which is holding a series of hearings to investigate the causes of the market meltdown. (Mother Jones also covered hearings on Lehman Brothers and AIG.)


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The central problem that confronted the rating agencies, according to witness testimony and internal documents, was a fundamental conflict of interest, one that is inherent to the business model that many agencies adopted in the 1970s. At the time, they moved from charging investors for ratings information to charging companies to rate their products. Since issuers, not investors, are now the major profit center for the "big three" rating firms (Moody's, Fitch, and Standard & Poor's), the rating firms have an incentive to deliver good ratings for the issuers, whether or not the financial products in question actually deserve them.

Raymond McDaniel, the CEO of Moody's, explained the problem in a confidential presentation to his board of directors in October 2007. Under the heading "conflicts of interest," he wrote, "the market…penalizes quality…It turns out that ratings quality has surprisingly few friends: issuers want high ratings; investors don't want ratings downgrades; short-sighted bankers labor short-sightedly to game the ratings agencies."

In the same presentation, McDaniel noted, "Analysts and MDs [managing directors] are continually 'pitched' by bankers, issuers, investors…[and sometimes] we 'drink the kool-aid.'" Employees at Standard & Poor's also recognized that being paid by issuers often led to overly optimistic ratings for complex—and risky—financial products. "It could be structured by cows and we would rate it," Shannon Mooney, an analyst in the company's structured finance division wrote in an April 2007 instant message to a colleague. Another Standard & Poor's employee remarked in a 2006 email, "Let's hope we are all wealthy and retired by the time this house of cards falters."

They weren't alone in believing the ratings were unreliable. Some of the investors who relied on those ratings also had doubts, and told the agencies as much. A manager at mutual fund giant Vanguard told Moody's last year that the company and its competitors "allow issuers to get away with murder." Other big investment firms, including PIMCO, repeatedly criticized the rating agencies' practices. And a top executive at Fortis Investments asked a Moody's official in a July 2007 call, "If you can't figure out the loss ahead of the fact, what's the use of your ratings?...If the ratings are b.s., the only use in ratings is comparing b.s. to more b.s."

Dean Baker, an economist and the codirector of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, said in an interview that the agencies' conflicts of interest have long gone unaddressed. "It is remarkable that this has never become much of an issue before," Baker said. "The agencies want to get hired, and they're well aware of the fact that if they're not giving acceptable ratings, they may not be called back." But Baker also emphasized that sometimes the rating agencies may have just been incompetent. Unfamiliar with the new financial instruments issuers were asking them to rate, the firms went ahead and rated them anyway, he said.

Not all rating agencies use the issuer-pays business model that the Moody's and S&P employees acknowledged was so problematic. Testifying on Tuesday, Sean Egan, a managing director at Egan-Jones Ratings, which still uses the investor-pays system, was a fierce critic of his competitors, calling their conflicts of interest the "single greatest cause" of the financial crisis. "The current credit rating system is designed for failure," Egan argued, saying that all the major financial companies that have "failed or nearly failed" have done so "to a great extent because of…inaccurate…unsound, and possibly fraudulent" ratings. Unsurprisingly, Egan suggested that the market should rely more on companies like his. "We should go back to a model that's worked since biblical times…[and] represent those who invest in securities, not those who issue them," he said.

Baker said the best way to solve the conflict of interest problem is to take away issuers' right to choose which company rates their products. Instead, he suggested, the exchange that the product is listed on should select the rating agency. The issuer would just pay the bill.

On Tuesday, the top executives of Moody's, Standard & Poor's, and Fitch argued that there was no way they could have anticipated the collapse in the subprime market. The CEOs also disputed the conflict of interest charges, arguing that an investor-pays model could potentially involve just as much conflict, since investors have much at stake in ratings as well. "Potential conflicts exist regardless of who pays," said McDaniel, the Moody's CEO. But he said that his company "will adopt whatever additional policies and procedures may be necessary" to implement the Securities and Exchange Commission's forthcoming revised rules on conflicts of interest.

Despite Egan's warning that action is needed, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) asked the witnesses how to keep Congress from "doing what we do best: either doing nothing or overreacting." But Issa focused mostly on a fear of overreaction, noting that conflicts of interest exist in many other business situations—accounting, Sarbanes-Oxley compliance, and underwriting, among others. Egan pointed out that in most of those situations, the entities with conflicts still have something to lose. They can be held criminally liable or sued if they issue false or misleading statements. But ratings are treated as opinions and protected under the First Amendment, so there's little downside for misrating financials. Indeed, since issuers want good risk ratings, the agencies could conceivably attract more business by rating products too highly.

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) emphasized the impact of the rating agencies' failures on individual investors. Lynch explained that most everyday investors have no way of understanding the actual composition of the complicated financial products. Instead, they rely on the ratings to let them know the level of risk an investment carries. "People in my district knew what 'triple A' meant and they relied on that," he said. "And now a lot of people in my district feel that they have been defrauded."

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What souls?

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If I write to one of these credit places and say I want my credit rating at 'zero', will that mean no robo-calls from companies trying to push 20% credit cards? If so, what's the fee for the 'zero' rating? I've still got 40 bucks cash...LOL

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When Ronald Regan started the 401K program
the Dow was at 900 point. Because it created
a positive cash flow into the market and had
to be invested in stock it inflated the value of
stock and by 2007 the DOW was over 14000
and increase of 1500 percent. Now that a large
amount of American are reaching retirement
age and will stop putting there money in but
start pulling it out. If I had a lot of money in
stocks I would pull it out before they had a
chance to. I don’t think that our great Wall
Street CEO and Politicians could not have
known this. Dose any see this but me.

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Issa, McCain et al, still don't get it. Some govt Regulations are actually good, and help people/consumers.

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Is not the entire American investing system about to be starved for anything except bailout cash? I mean, who in their right mind is going to put their money into a den of theives?

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John Mc Cain says "Country 1st" and George the Bush constantly called upon
9/11 Patriotism to honor and defend our country and its principles.

Where were the ehtics, where was the Patriotism, where was the Christian concern for your fellow man.
Where was the concern for America in the acts that this class of financial wizzards and operatives performed in their emphesis to make $$$$$, the almighty.

Tell these economic traitors that if they hired a building contractor with their ethics and quality.......their remodel that they paid to have built would fall down.

Flying somewhere,
If their pilot had their job quaity.....the plane would crash.

If their surgeon or doctor did such a bad job.......they would bleed to death.

If their school teachers were so irresponsible, their children would be molested in class.

If their firemen were on the job with their attention to details....buildings would burn down to the ground.

And,
If their soldiers did a similar job defending democracy, we would all be in chains.

Country 1st never crossed their minds.

They should spend the entire rest of their lives in works to endeavor to make up for those that they have hurt.

What a concept......ethics and real caring and quality work.

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I think the bottom line is the rating system is not regulated. The article say's "rating's are treated as opinions and are protected under the First Amendment." How asinine is that? It's like saying a doctors diagnosis is only a opinion and he's protected from mal-practise if they saw your leg's off and there's nothing wrong with them. The whole set-up sreams for government regulation. This Triple AAA status, it was just a facade, there was nothing legally binding or even approximating the acctual risk once they where done with it.

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Is the notion of "cruel and unusual punishment" too extreme to enact on
these scum-sucking pigs? Capitalism
is great, and there is no other system in the world which can compete with it - given the nature of human beings.
But without a level playing field, capitalism becomes nothing more than an evil red commie system, plagued with lies, bribery and fraud. Think
Zimbambwe. Given enough rope, greedy
pigs will find a way to hang everyone else, and escape down some dark hallway unseen.

Can we round them up, and publicly flog them? Cruel and unusual maybe, but effective deterrent nonetheless.

I will vote for the next politician whose platform centers around a revival of 'cruel and unusual punishment' to raters, bankers and brokers who violate the 'level playing field'. Kill em' all, let God sort them out.

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Yes........the key phrase here is "Level The Playing Field"!

In any game invented there are judges, referees, and umpires to make sure that ALL contestants abide by the SAME rules on the SAME playing field! If not...........then the competition is invalid and tilted and has NO credibility within the rules.

For the past 30 years, the Republicans have erroded all policing of the players in the "Capitalism Game" till now we have a disasterous outcome that has ruined the Players and the Spectators alike!

We've all been told that the way to a stronger economy was to give huge tax breaks to corporations and the wealthiest. Cut oversight on Wall Street. And somehow all Americans would benefit. Well now we know the truth!

The same people that put us in this predicament now claim that Obama is a "socialist" who wants to "spread the wealth"! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that he does NOT want to "spread the wealth"...........he just wants to "LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD" and put the rules back into place that keep it level!

BE A SUCKER FOR THE RICH..........VOTE REPUBLICAN!

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Damn right, I do.

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BE A SUCKER FOR THE RICH(like Gary Burchfield)...............VOTE REPUBLICAN!

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Most world economies have gone from Manufacturing, Producing and Innovation to pushing money and paper around on Wallstreet and that in my opinion is why we are in the mess we are in today..

There are two exceptions to this rule in China and India who have continued to manufacture and produce product which they sell to the world which has forgotten about Manufacturing and Production of products..The only production left in the USA is the manufacture of Military weapons..Could it be that the USA is afraid of what would happen if they lost this production and that is why they continue their wars in Iraq and Afganistan..

Wallstreet and other world markets did very well until greed and corruption showed them for what they are..Crooks..

It was then that it was noticed that Manufacturing and Production had moved to China and India where the big corporations in order to help their bottom line on wallsteet had shipped them..

Now China and India are sitting pretty while we have a recession..

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What did Greenspan or any of the other players lose? I lost EVERYTHING and did everything right for years. They got theirs coming and going. They stole the money, ignored the facts of what they saw happening, got enormous salaries, quit or was fired and left with millions. Now after this sinful bailout, they will get paid again. When do the honest tax payers get their bailout? Any common criminal would have to pay their debt to society for committing a crime, what about them?
They should lose everything they've got after giving back their golden parachutes. That would give the American People some confidence in their country.

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I want a personal credit rating of 'zero', so as that I won't be getting anymore glossy-envelope solicitations, and I want a place where I can set up a tent that has shower facilities and a restaurant nearby, where it'll cost me 100 bucks a month to have a place to sleep and park my car. Why not have counties all across the 50 states consider that kind of a 'deal' for people? The mortgage nuts have destroyed livability for millions in this country, so how about a place where you can save some money and get your feet under you, financially, even if it's working at minimum wage etc?
Credit? No thanks. I've learned my lesson over the course of 3 years paying off those stupid cards, thanks, and home ownership? Um, wait, let me think, oh, yeah, forget it. Who gets 'owned' in that arrangement, you, or the house? I think it's a toss-up.

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Bert: Not that kind of credit rating agency...unless of course your company is publicly traded (in which case it isn't really your company anymore.) Do people read this article or just skim over it?

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It's because we arent aware!

All these companies have one thing in common. They target consumers for pennies of the dollars. Take a few pennies from 10,000,000 people every day and you've made a lot of cash.

"Sold our souls" There wasnt anything to sell as far as I am concerned.

For the average consumer it is half a percent here and a dime there. People get frustrated but they don't do anything about it...do they???

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