Marriage Fortification
Prop 8 isn't discrimination. It's marriage fortification—just look at these happy, heterosexual couples.
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Marriage-The act of marrying-a man and a woman agreeing to live together as Husband and wife. Don't look at me, this is out of the Webster's dictionary!
Hey, you're right!
And, really, where could one find a better source of information for making policy decisions?!?!
Oh yeah, the bible!
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The opponents of "gay marriage" trash their own argument with the justification they consistently parade about. To wit: every single time they are asked to give reason for their position it comes down to this - marriage is a SANCTITY. Let's explore that quickly. Webster's Dictionary defines "sanctity" as "the quality or state of being holy or sacred." Holy and sacred. These are wholly religious terms. Our first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". By definition (per gay marriage opponents) marriage is a sanctity and therefore exists solely in the realm of religion. Therefore - ANY law that codefies any sanctity in marriage is also unconstitutional.
There is a solution. Overturn any marriage regulation on every law book in the USA. Re-establish this institution as a "civil union" and then if you want to get "married" - find a church that'll agree to "marry" you.
I like Andy Rooneys idea, make divorce illegal.That will make everybody think very carefully before they get married.
Let The Government mess with what the Government has made. In other words, let the Civic realm pass out Civil Unions and do whatever with them, thus insuring rights. Let not the Government cross over the famous wall of separation and foul up something that originated with the church. That way we can all be happy. But realistically - the separation of church and state thingy has really only served to protect the state from the church & not the other war around. When will the Gov stay out of church business? Make your own thing and fool with it!
Gay marriage should be a non-issue. The 'problem' is based on religious prejudice. The real problem is that so many US citizens are Christian fundamentalists. As long as we don't manage to confine religion to the personal domain, and allow it to dominate the public domain instead, issues like these will come up constantly. It shows that there is not such a big difference between the US and many Arabic countries after all.
Is imposing our morals onto others a condition for happiness? I think not! It is rather the happiness of my neighbor,happy because he could make a choice of his own, that creates the conditions for my well-being and safety.
When a man loves a woman, they make babies by putting his who-who-dilly in her cha-chi. There, I said it.
The United States is a DEMOCRACY. There a vote, the ballots were counted and it was decided.
The VOTE was in line with DEMOCRACY and the people have spoken..
I hear talk of Gay-Day and other nonsense - Nonsense it is because the people have spoken. Should they be fired for following such nonsense I am sure there will be an outcry.
The COURTS will again get involved - only this time they can not overturn the vote.
..To those that are happy with the outcome GOOD. To those who are un-happy with it's outcome -.- GOOD
This is a democracy and the issue was decided by DEMOCRATIC RULES -.- Did You Vote ?.?
I love it when you talk dirty! Cha-Chi ??? Really!
Is it right that democracy should decide whether one can marry or not? Your logic would also make it right that the people decide who marries who ...
Ok, Im confused about the whole Gay Marriage thing. Heres what I understand:
1. Most mainstream Christian religeons view homosexuality as a sin.
2. Homosexuals want to partake in a ritual invented by those who hold that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful.
3. Homosexuals want to use the courts as a forcing function to get a religeous ritual declared as legal.
WTFO?!
Are you serious? Do you not understand that there is the ritual of religious marriage performed by various churches, and then there is the civil contract between two people that is law? They are two separate entities. Marriage equality has to do with the laws, not the ritual. No one is asking churches to perform gay marriages. They can marry whomever they want. It's the STATE recognition of a legally binding contract that endows the couples with the financial rights of survivorship, hospital visitation and a host of other rights that married couples by default have that gays want for their relationship.
Yes, it's a democracy. That means that everyone has a right to protest, fight, and overturn any law that they see fit by constitutionally appropriate means. And THAT means that gays have the LEGAL right to protest, fight and appeal anything they want to... just like you. And if gays overturn all these vile propositions, then YOU also have the right to appeal. It's a democracy, right??? Quit your whining and deal with it. The issue is not going away.
From Matthew: "As long as we don't manage to confine religion to the personal domain, and allow it to dominate the public domain instead, issues like these will come up constantly."
When I go eat I take my stomach along with me. When I go to vote I take my intellect and faith along with me. I am not a collection of modules, some of which can be left at home. I will vote as an integrated person. That is how Religion influences government. That is not the establishment of Religion. I will not let this deceptive viewpoint trick me into leaving my faith & viewpoint out of my voting rights!
How would you feel if the voters decided that slavery was okay again? Hey, the voters have spoken, so keep quiet. Your premise is severely flawed.
And if they can't make babies, does this mean they can no longer love each other?
Wait until you find out that the process they used to pass this discriminatory piece of legislation was illegal. Cheaters never win, prop8 will be over turned.
This same "religious ritual" as you call it is also used by atheist.
"Marriage-The act of marrying-a man and a woman agreeing to live together as Husband and wife. Don't look at me, this is out of the Webster's dictionary!"
Webster's Dictionary also updates the meanings of words as cultures progess and move forward. In time, the definition of marriage within all dictionaries will read, "The act of two consenting adults agreeing to live together as spouses". Just you wait and see. ;)
So then, if I follow, why isn't a civil union enough? If one doesn't adhere to the tenants of the sanctifing body why should they care if it's a "marriage" or not? It's very much like saying I want to go swimming but I don't want to get in the water. To swim, you must get in the water. To get "married" you have to follow the faith. The faith says the lifestyle is sinful, therefore homosexuals and "marriage" will always be at odds.
Homosexuals have every right to be just as unhappily joined together as the rest of us. But lets stop pretending it's marriage becuase it isn't. Marriage is a releigeous term; a sancitoning of union by the very churchs that denounce homosexuality. Get a grip, grow up and work on legal equality for civil unions.
How many people use "spell-check" before they post?
My church provides "Holy Unions" that would be called "marriages" if it weren't in the Texas state constitution's Bill of Rights that same-sex couples don't have the right to marry. The United Church of Christ, the Metropolitan Community Church, some Episcopalian churches, some liberal Quakers, the Unitarian Universalist church, many liberal and Reform Jewish synagogs, and many other "liberal" religious traditions practice same-sex marriage; to them, it is not a "sinful lifestyle" but another manifestation of God's love. And so to these groups, denying same-sex couples legal marriage is a violation of their First and Fourteenth Ammendment rights.
