Should Obama Control the Internet?
A new bill would give the President emergency authority to halt web traffic and access private data.
Should President Obama have the power to shut down domestic Internet traffic during a state of emergency?
Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) think so. On Wednesday they introduced a bill to establish the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor—an arm of the executive branch that would have vast power to monitor and control Internet traffic to protect against threats to critical cyber infrastructure. That broad power is rattling some civil libertarians.
The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF) gives the president the ability to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any "critical" information network "in the interest of national security." The bill does not define a critical information network or a cybersecurity emergency. That definition would be left to the president.
The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws.
Rockefeller made cybersecurity one of his key issues as a member of the Senate intelligence committee, which he chaired until last year. He now heads the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, which will take up this bill.
"We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs—from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records—the list goes on," Rockefeller said in a statement. Snowe echoed her colleague, saying, "if we fail to take swift action, we, regrettably, risk a cyber-Katrina."
But the wide powers outlined in the Rockefeller-Snowe legislation has at least one Internet advocacy group worried. "The cybersecurity threat is real," says Leslie Harris, head of the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), "but such a drastic federal intervention in private communications technology and networks could harm both security and privacy."
The bill could undermine the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), says CDT senior counsel Greg Nojeim. That law, enacted in the mid '80s, requires law enforcement seek a warrant before tapping in to data transmissions between computers.
"It's an incredibly broad authority," Nojeim says, pointing out that existing privacy laws "could fall to this authority."
Jennifer Granick, civil liberties director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, says that granting such power to the Commerce secretary could actually cause networks to be less safe. When one person can access all information on a network, "it makes it more vulnerable to intruders," Granick says. "You've basically established a path for the bad guys to skip down."
The bill's scope, she says, is "contrary to what the Constitution promises us." That's because of the impact it could have on Internet users' privacy rights: If the Commerce Department uncovers evidence of illegal activity when accessing "critical" networks, that information could be used against a potential defendant, even if the department never had the intent to find incriminating evidence. And this might violate the Constitutional protection against searches without cause.
"Once information is accessed, it can be used for whatever purpose, no matter the original reason for accessing something," Granick says. "Who's interested in this [bill]? Law enforcement and people in the security industry who want to ensure more government dollars go to them."
Nojeim, though, thinks it's possible the bill's powers could be trimmed as it moves through Congress. "We will be working with them to clarify just what is needed and how to accomplish that," he says. "We're hopeful that some of the very broad powers that the bill would confer won't be included."
Shocking that a Rockefeller
Shocking that a Rockefeller would promote authoritarianism.
best comment ever.
best comment ever.
Should Obama control the Internet
Absolutely NOT, he can come here and I'll give him my bills to control and pay.
What a damn Socialist bunch of rats.
Socialist...
Look it up. Please.
I have a suspicion it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Socialism definition (most of us DO know what it means)
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= the current whitehouse agenda.
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
The question is. . .
how is this admin any different from previous admins?
No difference. Both sides
No difference. Both sides of the aisle are and have been doing their best to destroy the Republic. Scum bags who have risen to power by lying, cheating and stealing. No matter how you dress them up, they are the scum of the earth.
RE:How is this Admin any different from the last Admin
The last admin was only setting up the broad powers for future admins. This admin has more than the last, plus it has the house and the senate along with a disgusting amnt of popularity. People are Enamored so they are less likely to question things like cybersecuirty bills and indefinite preventative detention. Fascism (not socialism) at its finest...the agendas are basicly the same - right & left democrat & repbulican just stuff that keeps us distracted. these people have no alleigence - other than to corporate greed.
Obama is a Muslim--all other
Obama is a Muslim--all other Presidents have at least acted like Christians, with the exception of Bill Clinton, of course.
That was the dumbest thing
That was the dumbest thing I've read all day.
I see. What actions
I see. What actions constitute a Christian? If one is to define "acting like a Christian" using the historical examples of past presidents, one might be appalled by the notion. A definition comprised of examples such as: Cleavland and the illegal overthrow of the sovereign nation: Hawaii, Nixon and the Watergate scandal, Kennedy's Bay of Pigs and the Bush administration's occupancy in Iraq, just to name a few. One might infer, these acts were executed in contradiction to the fundamental ethics preached in the Bible. Perhaps one should avoid demonizing the Muslim faith and focus one's efforts on teaching one's self the true American History; this could not only expand one's understanding of American politics but also help one to avoid looking like an ignoramus when compelled to comment on certain news articles.
p.s. I don't believe Obama to be a great president either, but I suggest that this is not because he is Muslim-which, ironically, he is not.
Oh, please, it has nothing
Oh, please, it has nothing to do with socialism. It's called fascism, or corporatism, or perhaps even better a plutocracy. True socialism's goal is the equality of all people. What's going on now has nothing to do with the common good of the people. It's the international bankers and the kings and princes of our age vying for ultimate power -- Just the way it has been for centuries. You might want to study some history. Watching this documentary about the controlled collapse of Argentina might also give u some insight: http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22169.htm
"true socialism" Ha, hah. As
"true socialism"
Ha, hah. As with fascism, or any other statist doctrine, it is anti-liberty because it requires the use of force to be established and maintained. No matter which one you subscribe to, the only way to get there is to give more power to the state, which means authoritarian fiat first over the unpopular, followed by anyone perceived to be a threat, and then finally by everyone.
Socialism
Thanks for the definition and clarification. If anyone does not SEE that Obama's actions thus far are demonstrating a socialist government, they are looking through the rose colored glasses he handed out during his election. His words are many, but his actions are LOUD and clear! A bankrupt gov't bailing out a bankrupt financial system...do people think we just print up this money...It is being borrowed from from foreign investors. Who owns America now?? Handing out millions to illegal immigrants through welfare, health care and incarceration...how about deportation??? Tax breaks for 95% of Americans...how many of those people are really paying their fair share? Not that I am against the idea...but how are we cutting taxes after spending three trillion dollars??? We will be paying for this administrations CHANGE for generations to come. Let's think about natural consequences we learned as children. Before you get into debt...make sure you can pay it off. That applies to everyone, from the average Joe to the top CEO's.
RE: Socialism
To the poster who started off with "Thanks for the definition and clarification."
You obviously have zero idea about how the banking system works. It is 100% impossible to pay off all the debt owed. As every unit of money printed comes with debt so there is never enough money in the system to pay off the debt that money has. We don't borrow the money from foreign investors, we borrow it from the World Bank, you can read up on it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_bank. I'm not sure where you are getting this "foreign investors" thing, I'm sure it's just something you heard. As being one of those 95% you mentioned, I always over deduct from my paychecks for federal taxes to make sure I'm not going to owe anything at the end of the year. Further more, you are completely off topic and failed to comment on anything the bill is actually related to. RTFA and if you want to discuss socialism, there are plenty of threads else where, where you can vent your misinformed opinions.
Should Obama Control the Internet
As a paralegal student the first thing that I learned in college is that you can't trust any information that comes from Wikipedia. It's not a reliable source of information. Anyone with half a brain can go in and change the information without a second thought.
I've also learned that there is a greater threat out there than the United States Gov't. There are terrorists who will stop at nothing to destroy those rights that we hold sold dear; such as freedom of expression, speech, and the press. The internet has become a new weapon for them to attack our financial stability as a whole nation, gov't included.
Weak. Wikipedia is just as
Weak. Wikipedia is just as controlled as everything else. It's going to say exactly what the people at Wiki will allow it to say. Nothing more and nothing less.
As far as "real" dangers out in the world, sure they exist but it's more of a tool used by Western governments to scare their respective populations. Once you learn to unlearn what you think you've cobbled together as an education, you'll begin to see and understand what a dupe you've become. Don't worry it has happened to all of us that now see...
Dear Mr. Paralegal,
Dear Mr. Paralegal,
Looks like the fascist regime that is the contemporary American government has succeeded in their plans to extend their power by brainwashing the masses. Congrats on contributing to the status quo.
Gratefully Yours,
An Angry American
You are true.
its not as bad as it sounds????
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This is worse than it sounds. People !! If obama can control the internet our internet will be no different than norrth korea's . A total Dictatorial Fascist regime. Total Surveillance, Total control, total censorship. Total Power.
What if something bad was happening throughout the country and activist were spreading info. w/out the internet, we would never see anything coming until its too late. and no digital Cable does not offer neither me nor anyone else relief.
If this bill is passed my accusation that america is just a fascist as Nazi germany will prove true.
your comment
Bullhockey!! Not socialist problem at all. It is a low information, low education, paranoia based lifestyle like your own.
Seconded
I second your comment. To many of these type of people exist in the states, you can see how easy they were moved to something completely off topic and failed to mention anything about the actual act itself.
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Anon wrote: "I second your comment. To many of these type of people exist in the states, you can see how easy they were moved to something completely off topic and failed to mention anything about the actual act itself."
The 'act itself' was referenced earlier. Have you read from the beginning? One thing leads to another. 80 percent of the time it is speculation based on fact, not paranoia. You are free to your opinion its true, but I don't know anyone staying up at night over this. How Socialism or Fascism relates to censorship (or control) of things relating to the internet should be apparent to folks that know the definitions of these things. Thus, they are not off-topic.
Further, if you felt that the gov't was going beyond its constitutional powers and engaging in courses of actions that even the makers of our constitution warned about, wouldn't you feel like telling people? Not out of paranoia, but just to spread the word? Why begrudge them that?
The goal for the very
The goal for the very wealthy is absolute control - not just of the United States, but of the entire world. The people of the United States will be the biggest obstacle to world domination by the very wealthy and "we" must be "controlled" at all costs. The world's central banks, the IMF and the World Bank are all being used to manipulate current events. The object is to create worldwide panic - in personal security, finances, global warming (a gigantic lie) and to force us to surrender our personal liberty to a greater and greater degree. Ultimately, we will lose our ability to control our own destiny as free men and the new system will make us nothing better than slaves.
The goal of the tyrannical
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The goal of the tyrannical is absolute control, for the most part the very wealthy just want to keep their money and be left alone.
The internet is our last link to freedom
When the Rockefellers-Obama-Kissinger's shred the internet we will lose our last lifeline. Their model is World Government where we are governed like China.
In controlling The Federal Reserve, The Corporate Media, CIA, UN. Trilateral Commision, World Bank, The Biderbergers they almost have their World government controled by Corporate and Banking Facists. It will not be communism, socialism but rather facism.
Ike Shurtleff
A New World Order.
A New World Order. www.infowars.com
The people of the US are not the biggest...
threat to the oligarchy. We are a nation of fat, stupid, and scared people who can no longer think on their own, let alone act out in their best interest.
We have the power to stop the trillions being given to the banks, but we won't do it because we are scared, stupid, fat people.
A simple bank run would have settled the issue a long time ago.
you fool - not every
you fool - not every american is fat, stupid, and scared. giving a generalization like that when there are plenty of contradictions goes to show your response is stated out of distaste for the american public rather than educated opinion.
good job.
Shocking that a Rockefeller
Gee - maybe we'll be just like Orwell's vision in 1984... we'll get rid of any remaining truth and depend only on the mainstream media talking heads spewing government press releases as if they were journalists. Then we'll be docile and controllable - and what the heck, who needs the constitution???
If you want to hear whats
If you want to hear whats really going on, turn off corporate/mainstream media and tune into the Alex Jones show 24 hours a day at www.infowars.com
Alex Jones... grrrrr
Alex Jones has taken to evangelic-esque donations to fund expansion. People like him are found later with gobs of cash money laying around their estate that was raided subsequent to a warrant for tax fraud (think Kent Hovind).
Your comment: "If you want to hear whats really going on, turn off corporate/mainstream media and tune into the Alex Jones show..." proposes that we turn off one source of bias and tune in to another. I agree that the mainstream media twists the news to fit a model they are given. So does Alex Jones. He has an agenda as well does he not? Unless the agenda is a dedication to fair and unbiased reporting, I'm afraid it doesn't mater what his agenda is because it will always get in the way of fair and balanced reporting, won't it?
If both twist the news to get their own point across to their readers, listerners, viewers, etc., how can we ever get the REAL story? Simply hearing all sides will tell how each news source alters and shapes the incoming news to better fit their own model of reporting. All this implies is that we should not ignore Alex Jones or any of the other news folks. Instead we should be open to them all, taking their 'news' with a grain of salt (multiple grains of salt, in some cases).
Rockefeller wants Authoritariansim? No!
Why is it shocking that a Rockefeller would want authoritarianism? Have you ever seen the video of Aaron Russo interviewed regarding his friendship with Nick Rockefeller? See it while it is still on the Internet. Before you know it, it too will be banned.
Rockefeller's are a bunch of
Rockefeller's are a bunch of rats. politicians dont need to be around anymore. when you have a issue with a computer no politicians will not know how to fix it because all of theam are dumb.
Why wouldn't he? Aren't we
Why wouldn't he? Aren't we regressing as a free nation by going back to Robber Baron times where the powerful just take what they want and keep the people indebted to them? This is another part of the power grab by the administration. I suppose this is what the majority wanted since they voted this guy in for him to work well with his gang of hoodlums.
I guess he is still an
I guess he is still an intimidating community organizer after all". The signs of radical socialism are everywhere to see.....in plain sight.
Scary
If ever there was a time to utilize privacy services, now is it!
RT
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Benjamin Franklin
He who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither
security and liberty and security
Who sacrificed security for liberty is lying, both free and secure, under a HEADSTONE which says "Oops! Made the wrong sacrifice!"
Who sacrificed liberty for
Who sacrificed liberty for security is lying in an unmarked grave near the gulags.
See? The pointless little quips can go both ways.
Who sacrificed security for
Who sacrificed security for liberty is feeding the worms and knows neither.
Wrong. I'll take my liberty
Wrong. I'll take my liberty and provide for my own security, or freely band with others like me.
I may go, but I'll take some collectivists with me. Better on my feet than on my knees like you, begging for a little more time to live out an empty life of servitude, secretly consoled by the notion that you, like the flag of Ahab, like the devil, would not sink to hell without dragging a living part of heaven with you and helmeting yourself with it.
We know that men have lived in better times than they did in the past. How? Did they get it by being serfs - cowering in the mud, waiting for their masters to protect them, or did they get it by fighting for it?
In a heterogeneous, chaotic, random world where rain does not fall equally, where minerals do not sit under the ground in equal measure, where history itself can never be written from a single vantage point, the notion of enforced equality is the ideal of an idiot, blind to the very universe he longs to command.
Freedom gives men happiness and security and the kind of equality that only free men can know - not the equals of the herd, but that of the pack.
Bend your knee to your Master Obama, if you want, slave. But keep your eyes on the ground; avert them from us; we who would rather die standing.
"...freely band with others like me."
The time has come to start the banding I think. There are too many things happening around us that work together to form an ugly picture for our future. Any scenario that we can see for our future using the facts of the day not only point to tyranny and oppression by the powers that be, but they also suggest that we the people, when banded together pose an insurmountable resistance to that oppression. We are the remedy!!
The costs associated with mobilizing people in preemption is, in my view, preferrable to being mistaken. If we are right and we avoid mass-enslavement (men with power yearn for only more power, this is not so far-fetched) then all the cost of preemption was justified. If we are wrong and the the gov'ts and powers aren't working in collusion with leaders of financial infrastructure to systematically implement the tenents of a global institution that over-sees the governing of the people, then we have still lost nothing by uniting in opposition.
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This would be a violation of civil liberty rights - it is not in the provence of the Government to control.
Violate this
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No, but your mom is in the provence of mine to control. Waka waka!
Absolutely not. I don't
Absolutely not. I don't trust Obama anywhere near enough to give him that authority.
I more than agree with you.....in fact.....
.....when those that voted for Obama wake up from their hypnotic spell and see him and his Chicago mob administration and socialist cronies for what they really are, they will exclaim, "Gosh, golly, gee, I guess he is still an intimidating community organizer after all". The signs of radical socialism are everywhere to see.....in plain sight. Can you just imagine what is going on behind those 'progressive' closed doors?
spewers of disinformation ie: socialism vs fascism
I wish all you idiots that keep talking about socialism would do some research, educate yourselves and come to the realization that socialism and fascism are 2 different things. All you are doing is showing your ignorance and making the rest of the people in this country look uneducated. Stop using catch-phrases that you hear from the propaganda spewing main stream media, and start learning about what is really going on and thinking for yourselves.



























