Congress' Credit Limit
Lawmakers will only go so far to stamp out the credit card industry's abusive practices.
Bad credit card debt may be the next big crisis looming on the economic horizon, some financial analysts say, and on Thursday President Obama will stage an event in Albuquerque, New Mexico, to persuade Congress to fix the problem. Flanked by local residents who have wrenching stories of crippling debt, he'll ask the Senate to pass tougher credit card regulations later in the day. But while the PR push makes a welcome change from the government's traditional reluctance to crack down on the industry, consumer groups charge that the legislation is riddled with loopholes for heavyweight banks.
Credit card debt in the United States now totals more than $960 billion, with default rates nearing 10 percent for some lenders. Many of the biggest credit card lenders are the same institutions that have only escaped collapse thanks to massive infusions of government bailout funds—such as Citigroup and Bank of America. Most of that money was used to help banks recover from their losses in the mortgage meltdown, and won't cover additional shortfalls if credit card defaults reach the record-breaking highs that some experts project. According to Bloomberg, defaults could wipe out 40 to 50 percent of the annual profits of American Express, Bank of America, and JPMorgan, and cause further losses for Citigroup.
In response, lenders are squeezing what they can from those borrowers who are still trying to pay their debts—cutting back on credit limits, jacking up interest rates, and shortening the time to pay bills. By drafting legislation that won't take effect until 2010, Congress has simply encouraged banks to accelerate their predatory lending practices before the bill comes due.
But the bill has bigger problems than timing—its design hardly ensures better protection for consumers. The Federal Reserve will be responsible for writing the rules to put the legislation into practice. Not only has the Fed turned a deaf ear to consumer problems for years, stringent credit card regulation goes against its institutional interest. The Fed's main job is to pump-prime and oversee banks. Why should the bankers who run the Fed strip their client banks of credit card profits when those banks already need billions from taxpayers to stay afloat?
Once written, the new rules will be enforced by the utterly supine Office of the Comptroller of the Currency in the Treasury Department. This unit has rarely imposed public penalties on big banks, although it has managed to fend off critics by claiming that it hands out penalties in private. Whether it actually does so, and what kind of penalties it enforces, remains anyone's guess.
A more effective alternative to this inherently flawed plan would be to hand regulatory power to a financial products safety commission, a concept advocated by Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren, a longtime critic of the credit card industry who is running the bailout oversight board. "The Federal Reserve, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and other financial regulatory institutions are not currently charged to protect consumer safety," Warren explained to me in 2007. "The primary responsibility of the regulatory agencies is to assure the profitability of the banks and other lending institutions, not to protect consumers from deceptive and unsafe products."
Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) and Rep. Bill Delahunt (D-Mass.) are sponsoring legislation to set up this type of commission. But although they've won the backing of senators Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), plus outside support from more than 50 consumer, labor, and civil rights groups, the proposal undoubtedly faces an uphill struggle.
The same is true of legislation that would ban excessive interest rates, or usury. A proposal to cap interest rates at 15 percent, and 18 percent in emergencies, failed in the Senate on Wednesday, winning just 33 votes. "Credit unions have been under [such a] law for 30 years which says the maximum rate is 15 percent except under unusual circumstances, in which case it goes up by 3 percent," said Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-Vt.), one of the measure's cosponsors. "We want to do for private banks what we have been doing with credit unions." Laws against usury were common in many states until they were essentially abolished by a banking-law loophole in the early 1980s. "The problem with instituting a new usury law is politics," Warren said. "The credit industry hires a lot more lobbyists than the consumer advocacy groups, and the creditors have been almost uniformly opposed to any usury laws."
In fact, the industry's clout has repeatedly stymied efforts to prevent lenders from gouging consumers. In 2005, Congress passed bankruptcy legislation with the support of 18 Democratic senators, many of them targets of generous support from the banking industry. The law made it far more difficult for anyone to clear debt by declaring bankruptcy. Ed Mierzwinski of US PIRG notes that after the law passed, companies began to deploy some of their most noxious practices more frequently. These included the so-called universal default, in which credit card companies raised cardholders' rates not only if they paid their own bills late, but if they paid any bill late. Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) tried to remedy the situation with a Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act. But the legislation got watered down in committee.
The Senate version of the credit card bill is being shepherded through the banking committee by its chair, Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.). His bill is considered stronger than the House version that passed in April, for two main reasons. First, it only permits credit card companies to raise rates on existing balances when a cardholder's payment is 60 days late, whereas the House bill specifies 30 days. Consumer groups say the 30-day difference is important because during the economic downturn, some 10 million people have been paying their credit card bills late in the first month, while in 60 days the number of overdue payments drops off dramatically. (There are signs, however, that the final compromise number may be 45 days.) Second, the Senate bill states that those cardholders whose rates have been raised due to late payments must be given a means to return to a fair interest rate if they make timely payments for six months. Both bills would restrict universal default, limit banks' ability to hike interest rates on existing balances, and call for simpler disclosure of terms.
Still, credit card companies shouldn't exactly be shaking in their shoes. Dodd, one of the Senate's biggest beneficiaries of financial industry donations, reportedly spent the weekend wheeling and dealing with the committee's ranking Republican, Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, and they eventually agreed to dilute language that would have banned universal default outright. The law that Congress ultimately produces will likely leave credit card lenders plenty of room to make money from the same consumers whose taxes are bailing them out.
President Mr. Obama should
President Mr. Obama should issue two exec. orders at once:
a) Until further notice no interest rates above 15%.
b) All credit scores are to be based on a floating average.
For the rest of us, please put your money in a state chartered bank or credit union.
Respectfully submitted~
Usury and Mercants being squeezed too
Anything over 10% in today's world is plain usury, where banks lowered their savings account interest rates to near 0%. The only reason why we have these credit card rates is because South Dakota abolished their usury laws and the banks are hiding behind the skirt of Federal law that says States have no say regarding interstate commerce. Bull Shit. When are we going to say enough is enough!
Furthermore, the high interest rates don't only effect the buyer. Merchants are now being gouged another 1 to 2% for customers using "cash back" accounts. Customers are not aware the .5% they get back is now costing the merchants 1 to 2 extra points...so the banks have sneaked in another .5 to 1.5% to their earnings. Unfortunately, many people have gotten used to paying with plastic for just about everything...so merchants that don't take cards lose business, and have no recourse other than to raise their prices to help absorb the extra fees. It's against the Banks' policies for merchants to charge extra on the bill to cover their fees, so the fees have to be hidden... The consumer gets screwed from both sides.
When are we going to regain control of our country? This not only goes for removing the power of the Banking Cartel... When we need a single payer health care system (only way to really fix the completely inefficient and corrupt system), we've got government bowing to the powers that be...supposedly because some change is better than no change. I don't think so. We will look back and wish we reformed the system once and for all so it would work...not some patch where health care administrators take 15-20% of the total instead of the current 30%.
When drug companies charge 10 times more for the same eye drops sold here as sold in Taiwan...when the US Govt. already spends more per capita on health care than any other country in the world, yet Americans still have to pay outrageous insurance premiums (incl. being slaves to their jobs, if they still have one...)...SOMETHING IS DEAD WRONG. While drug companies, health care administrators, insurance companies, lawyers, and some overpaid health care workers (not just doctors who got into the profession to make big bucks...) reap the huge chunks of the GDP...something is wrong. It's a broken system that can only be fixed with a single payer system. Until we take back our country, it's going to only get worse.
When are we going to get
When are we going to get back control of our country? Never! The coup d'etat happened decades ago. What this article says is true; credit cards can't be regulated at the federal level because it interferes with states' rights. States' rights not only means social segregation, it means finance industry chess board protection. There is nothing the Senate or House can do to change these criminal credit card practices. There is no political "will" ---meaning there is neither financial reward nor ability to shake off the blackmail and subornation. The Bankers' Association (or whatever it's called) is the Mob, a Mafia (if not THE Mafia.) They (bankers) are not business men; if they were, they'd know what side their bread is buttered on. They're not business men: they're leeches, and vampires. They do business exactly the way Stalin did business: in secret, through lying and subterfuge, and ---ultimately--- through enslaving people.
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If congress can not get the control the people need over the predatory credit industry and lobby network commonplace today I suggest we fight back at the industries by canceling and cutting up our credit cards like Draft Card and burning them! lets go green backs, screw the credit reporting agency that are screwing all our records for the credit companies to make more money off us. both are playing their sick scams against us. We have the real power too really screw them back , just don't pay them until they make FAIR contracts with none predatory law passage, until then we STRIKE THE CREDIT industry, then lets see how long it takes to get a consumer rights bill that has merit pass congress.
Agreed
I completely agree with Trollstein, there really needs to be a limit on how high interest rates can go. It could go a long way to help relieve this country's debt problem.
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i hate credit card companies
i hate credit card companies as much as anybody, but i think we should be trying to marginalize and diminish the influence these bastards have. credit cards are a scam engineered to make easy money for banks -- and that's all. they shouldn't be treated like normal financial instruments and legitimized any more than they already are by passing legislation that encourages consumers to continue carrying credit card debt, as though that's not a horrible and self-destructive financial option. pay off your balances asap and adjust your lifestyle so you don't use credit cards. let the bastards pay the price for their usurious business practices and choke on all that bad debt.
credit defaults
with the government backing up every default by to big to fail philosophy. They dont care about going kaput again they will try to abscond the truth always...Greeeddd aand impun ity
Retain the status quo at any cost
The purpose of all the Bush/Obama bailouts, and for that matter, the trajectory of all things domestic and of foreign policy, is to keep things the same as much as possible. The same financial institutions that caused this mess are to be preserved. The same practices that got us here will be preserved, too, although some of the high profile travesties will be re-regulated. The globalization and free market practitioners don't have to worry; American labor will still be competing with children in Singapore for the next 8 years. There is some chat recently from Obama about limiting tax loopholes for corporations who move their headquarters offshore; conspicuously absent from this discussion has been one word about companies who uproot an entire manufacturing operation and plop it down in Mexico or some other country with slave-labor wages and a third world economy. Apparently this is OK, even as Obama exhibits ambivalence on the Employee Free Choice Act.
The "folks" that Obama has chosen for his economic policy team could be called The Clintonian Preservation Society. They want to use the same old methodology and views to restore things to the bubble economic model that creates such popular growth and consumerism. Consumer debt has been one of the banking industry's biggest assets, a golden cash cow that can yield 30% interest on billions of dollars. Apparently this will persevere through the rest of 2009 no matter what bill Dodd and Shelby dream up. And that dream will likely be a consumer nightmare.
The result of the "reform" on credit card debt will reverberate through stereo showrooms, Wal Marts, online retailers, and all businesses that accept plastic. That result will be a downturn in sales. Sooner or later people will figure out that credit card debt and interest is eating their lunch and part of their breakfast and dinner, too. Credit card companies, limited by law as to what they can extort for interest, will find credit cards to be less profitable thus less interesting thus credit limits will go down. It will be harder to get a card. Even the usury rate of 18% won't be attractive enough to the credit barons.
With sales already gone way past the toilet and halfway to the waste treatment plant, it's hard to know how tightening credit can help turn the economy around. Our system has devolved to depend on credit, the ability to write yourself a little (or big) loan any time you want it, without having to fill out any paperwork and sit across the desk from a loan officer. Are Obama's team and Dodd et. al. suggesting that we should return to the way things were in the pre-plastic world? That will require a major change in societal outlook; it will rescind empowerment, as deadly as that instant gratification power has become, and it will come at a time when people already feel victimized by forces they don't control. And we're right about the "don't control" part. We are no longer customers of banks; they are our masters.
If we move closer to a pay-as-you-go society, even just a tiny bit, it will be highly beneficial. We're going to need to save every dollar we can just to live on while we replace the $trillions that have been looted from our 401ks and stolen from us in broad daylight by TARP, TARP 2, and the TARPs to come.
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If I would have known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself.
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Credit Cards
These unsecured debt instruments are able to charge higher rates because they are unsecured. Any attempt therefore, to make the security higher by making bankruptcy harder or unavailable is a change in the basic deal imposed in what is an unequal bargain. For the same reason that contracts cannot be unilaterally renegotiated, this ought to be resisted.
Credit card companies have
Credit card companies have brought this problem on themselves: they gave out credit like it was candy, enticed people to borrow beyond their means, then lobbied in D.C. to protect themselves from the fallout! I say to hell with credit card businesses!
Can You Believe This? Sadly, It Is Too True
In March my wife wrote two checks for $500 one to BofA Credit Card and the other to our Credit Union. She inadvetedly inserted both checks into the BofA envelope and mailed it off to them. When she got to the CU, only then did she discover her error.
She called the BofA and explained what had happened and asked to have the CU ck returned. She was told that the totally automated system would open the envelope and both checks would be posted as a $1000 payment on her account.
When the following month's statement arrived, to her horror she discovered that $1000 was indeed posted as a payment but that the $500 "credit" was now a FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR CASH ADVANCE at 25.6% interest !
She didn't even get the cash nor the credit adjustment !!!
Calls to their Cutomer Service Dept (Manilla and New Dehli representatives) has only gotten "that is the way the system works" types of responses to her error.
My credit card industry reform proposal
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...is doable at the personal level, requires no Congressional Acts nor taxpayer bailouts, but rather quite simply, 'a pair of scissors'. Take the 2"x4" little wallet leech out of your pocket, and holding by one corner, and away from yourself(think safety, here, and don't sue me if you succeed in maimingy yourself, kids, don't try this at home), using your other hand, wield your Fiskars(or other preferred brand of extremely sharp scissors), and cleave the 'beast' in twain. Let both halves of your self-indentureship instrument fall to the floor, then collect them, and repeat the ritual with both halves, letting the scissor blades neatly dissect the numbers printed on the card, rendering it useless even to dumpster bums. Alternatively, you can use paperclips and create lovely christmas tree ornaments out of the pieces, or even possibly some 'hip' recession earrings, or guitar picks, or just obliterate the numbers and keep the card as a wallet-sized ice scraper for those chilly winter months when you're stuck going to work to probably pay off the same card you're using now.
I have noticed a dramatic reduction in the number of 'pre-approved' card mailings that I've recieved(or rather, NOT recieved, hehe) in recent months, and I'm pretty happy with that, I shred them all to the point of unusability, and I mean no direct insult or disrespect to the operators/CEO's/whatever of these companies, but it's a basic and simple fact that if your income is not high enough to afford the purchases the first time you make them, your paycheck won't cover the next 5 times you end up paying for it, so you're better off just avoiding all this fiscal self-abuse to begin with. Suffer. Be patient. Wait until you CAN afford whatever it is that your black little heart desires, and then, pay cash for the item. If ya don't have money, either learn to enjoy time at home, or go out and moonlight at a second job to get more money to stuff in your wallet, or work towards promotion, or start taking night courses to make yourself more employable. But, signing for a bunch of plastic that you can't honestly afford just gives you the temporary illusion of having money(fools the store clerk, too), but a long-term obligation or 'monkey on your back' that you'll spend YEARS getting away from.
The only way out of card debt is to just pay the stuff off, cut up the card, and call in when you're all done, and have the account closed. If there's some sort of 'do not call/do not mail' list, I'd like to know more about it so I can have my name added. They can do whatever they want to up at the bank after that, it's their bailout money, if they want to spend it on junkets instead of reorganizing their operation costs and reducing overhead to the benefit of their customers, they can do that to, I really don't care, I just won't be doing THAT kind of business with any bank ever again. Thanks, but no thanks.
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It is sad at this day and
It is sad at this day and age, this far into the frey, to listen to the single litany that the crass young repubs use to cancel all coupons of want and concern: that is to say, cut up your card and the credit card companies cannot get to you.
What is missing, of course, is the tangible culpability that these credit card companies incur with their duplicitous schemes, the total lack of moral content, and the mean-spirited claws of deception and fraud that they employ.
Oh the HORROR ! Oh Lordie be !
Did anyone else notice, when the big fat pigs at the trough have a PROFIT, but it's just not exanding in the biggest blowout since the depression - they whine worse than some crybaby retarded ethnic minority sex changed operative who had a snooty dog look at them the wrong way in the park ?
I mean ... HUH ?
" According to Bloomberg, defaults could wipe out 40 to 50 percent of the annual profits of American Express, Bank of America, and JPMorgan, ..."
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OH GEE, YOUR PROFITS ARE CUT IN HALF, YOUR STILL MAKING 10 YACHTS FULL OF $1,000 BILLS EVERY YEAR, JUST NOT THE USUAL TWENTY YACHTS FULL - MY GOLLY - WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAVE FROM ALL THAT PROFIT ! ERR- THAT LOSS... YEAH THAT'S IT - THAT'S THE TICKET, 10 BOATLOADS CHOCK FULL OF MONEY ARE A LOSS - SINCE YOU EXPECT 20 EXTRA TO THROW AROUND! GOLLY WE HAD BETTER GET ON IT, I'M GOING TO WORK NOW SO I CAN SEND YOU SOME TAX BAILOUT MONEY !
COME ON PEOPLE ! LET'S DOUBLE THEIR GIGANTIC PROFITS WITH SOME TAX MONEY!
Dream on man
" President Mr. Obama should issue two exec. orders at once: " .... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...
Dude, the democrats just handed TRILLIONS to the wall street gamblers who were making derivatives bets on loans THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A STAKE IN ! THEY BET TO BURN DOWN THE HOUSE, THEY LIT THE MATCH, AND ODUMBO AND DEM DUMBOS PAID THEM ALL OFF ! TRILLIONS WORTH !
Buddy, if you're counting on Obama, you haven't seen the news since Jan 20th....
I mean come on.....
If it's evil litle gwb the idiot, at least there's a fight - so they couldn't pull much - but now it's flappy ears - AND NOONE IS SAYING NO ! IT'S ALL GONE DUDE ! THEY ALREADY ROBBED THE TREASURY FOR DECADE PLUS INTO THE FUTURE ! HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ?!?
Anyone home biffffffffffffff ?
Why not just bail out the
Why not just bail out the American people with credit card debt? Of course, they would have to qualify, out of work, didn't use card for years, etc. But is it just me, or doesn't it make complete sense? Help the people pay off c.c. debt, that in return helps the banks & people get on their feet. Instead, now all the bailout money banks received will go to more bonuses for big executives. Why did I vote for Obama again????
Maxed Out Movie
If you can still find a copy, watch the above feature. it's sort of boring, not entirely a documentary, but in my view it's good brain-food, hence the recommendation. We gotta do differently, and the work that Congress has done should serve as a good tool for some who are behind the 8 ball right now with their debt situation, and the movie should/could serve as a good motivator to go for the gusto, and get completely OUT of debt.
My suggestions: Find all your credit cards. ALL of them. Find the last statements. Get out Mr. Stapler. Staple card to statement. That way, it's harder to um, 'lose' the card.
Get out a blank sheet of paper, or your computer, and develop your own debt recovery plan. List out all your outstanding obligations, liabilities, debts, whatever it is you've got there. For some people, that list will be pretty extensive. Sooo, having done all the above, you will then kind of get some kind of picture of just how deep in the fiscal doo-doo you really are. It may be a bracing realization, so keep some tissue handy. Once you've recovered emotionally, then you have to get some kind of payment calendar going. As you pay off each card, cut it in half. Keep half as a souvenir. View each paid card as one more step on your ladder to economic self-recovery.
It's nice that The Government is trying to do a little something, here, but the card company lobbyists will soon be back, and in greater numbers. Meanwhile, you, the murkensumir, or 'mark', need to check to see if you've got your thinking cap on straight, or, if like a lot of folks, you accidentally got it cross-threaded after watching that last flashy TV ad.
We live in Interesting Times, and there's all sorts of people trying to affect national and government policy on lending and debt to their advantage. But, few think in terms of the majority of people, who probably don't have that college degree, nor a degree in business from other sources, but are facing a long list of bills they probably can't pay. Usury. Indentureship. Wage slavery. Not exactly the American Dream, is it? Um, 'no'. So, help yourself, show some true american spirit, be a little bit independent, pioneering when it comes to your personal economic situation, and cut those babies in half just as fast as you can. Then, you can build yourself a real savings account, or at the very least, buy whatever it is you're going to buy, but for cash this time, and only buy what you really need, leave that red-ink 'luxury' spending to the Donald Trumps out there. Yes, it's their world, and we just live in it, but you can at least cut yourself the fiscal latitude to do something else with your life than to spend your last able-bodied moment at some job, right up until your eyes roll up in your head. Life is too short to spend the rest of it in hock.
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If congress can not get the control the people need over the predatory credit industry and lobby network commonplace today I suggest we fight back at the industries by canceling and cutting up our credit cards like Draft Card and burning them! lets go green backs, screw the credit reporting agency that are screwing all our records for the credit companies to make more money off us. both are playing their sick scams against us. We have the real power too really screw them back , just don't pay them until they make FAIR contracts with none predatory law passage, until then we STRIKE THE CREDIT industry, then lets see how long it takes to get a consumer rights bill that has merit pass congress.
Charge it!
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I got my first credit card in 1970. It was a Visa Card issue from the First National Bank of Chicago. Remember them? I was very proud of the fact that I was now one to the "Cool people" and that a bank recognized my credit.
Charge...Charge...Charge. Got that sucker up to $400. A lot of money back then as it is now. Then came the inevitable monthly statement. And reality kicked me in the ass. It took me about 4 months to pay that back. I chopped it up and that was the end of that. Interest rate was 9% back then. It seemed very stupid to me to pay all that juice on products that I did not really need.
Now I pay cash for everything. I even paid cash for a 2009 Mustang last summer.
Here is the secret. When you cash your paycheck put 1/3 of it in your pocket in cash and deposit the rest of it. Make that last. Pay your groceries and gas out of that cash. Any emergence or something you cannot live without be patient. Save for it. My house needed new windows and I waited and saved six months. But they are now in and paid for.
There is no better feeling than getting your cc statement and seeing these words
AMOUNT DUE............. 0.00
And that concludes today's lesson...... I will be here all week
Credit card debt
I think if you pay off everyone's debt you assume there responsibility. You say that it is OK for them to be irresponsible and that behavior will continue. I have credit card debt myself but I made my bed now I have to sleep in it. It gives me chronic anxiety when I think that people can just get bailed out by the government. Its not there job to teach us how to grow up.
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