Meet the Birthers
Who are these people, really?
Ann Coulter thinks they’re "cranks." Right-wing radio kingpin Michael Medved prefers to call them "nutburgers." Their ranks include a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, a Clinton conspiracy theorist, a habitual presidential candidate, and a professional poker player. They’re convening amateur grand juries and suing the President—not to mention suing each other. Meet the birthers: people who believe, despite truly overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and has illegally usurped the presidency.
Orly Taitz
Born in the former Soviet republic of Moldavia, Taitz is a peroxide-blonde SoCal dentist with a law degree from an online academy and a black belt in Taekwondo. More than anyone else, she has vaulted birthers—their preferred nomenclature is "doubters" or the "eligibility movement"—into the public eye.
In 2008, Taitz helped to bring a lawsuit on behalf of Alan Keyes, disputing the validity of Obama's birth certificate. This year, she hit the headlines again when she filed another lawsuit from an Army reserve major who charged that "Barry Soetoro" was not his lawful commander in chief. Both suits were rejected, prompting Taitz to accost Supreme Court justices John Roberts and Antonin Scalia at public events to demand an investigation into the matter. All of this has won her generous, but not always flattering coverage from television personalities like Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and David Shuster, who Taitz has described as "brownshirts."
Recently, Taitz has caused a rift among the birther ranks by circulating a document that she claimed was Obama's Kenyan birth certificate. A federal court threw it out after determining that it was a fake—later it emerged that the document may have been a prank played by an Obama supporter. This fiasco led leading birther Andy Martin to denounce Taitz as an "obvious crackpot."
Philip Berg
Berg is a 9/11 Truther who hopped the birther train after a brief detour with the PUMA crowd—the small but noisy band of Hillary Clinton supporters who refused to accept that Obama had won the 2008 Democratic primary. A former Pennsylvania deputy attorney general, Berg is no stranger to long-shot lawsuits—he previously sued George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, alleging that they were complicit in the collapse of the World Trade Center.
After being approached by a disgruntled member of PUMA (formally: People United Means Action; informally: Party Unity My Ass), Berg brought the first lawsuit claiming that Obama is not a natural-born citizen. In fact, Berg has said that he believes that Obama is an illegal alien who was not even qualified to represent Illinois in the US Senate. He recently disseminated a press release saying that he is also suing Orly Taitz, who he said was so unprofessional and unethical that she could possibly be an Obama plant working to bring down the eligibility movement from the inside.
Alan Keyes
The perennial candidate, anti-gay crusader, and anti-abortion activist is nevertheless perhaps the birther movement's most credible member—which isn't saying a lot. A party to the Taitz lawsuit challenging Obama's eligibility to hold the presidency, Keyes, who calls Obama a "radical communist” and a "usurper," says he refuses to acknowledge Obama as president. Following the election, Keyes said: "He's going to destroy this country, and we're either going to stop him or the United States of America is going to cease to exist… The man is an abomination… We're in the midst of the greatest crisis this country has ever seen and if we don't stop laughing about it and deal with it, we're going to find ourselves in the midst of chaos, confusion, and Civil War."
Carl Swensson
A Georgia-based activist, Swensson is spearheading a novel but legally meaningless tactic: convening "citizen grand juries" to file "presentments" indicting Obama for fraud and treason. So far, Swensson says juries have met in several states and pronounced Obama’s claim to office to be illegitimate. According to material posted on Swensson's website, the citizen grand juries derive their authority from the Magna Carta and can assume ominous powers: "The grand jury may distrain and oppress the government in every way in their power, namely, by taking the homes, lands, possessions, and any way else they can until amends shall have been made according to the sole judgment of the grand jury."
But don’t worry! The same document also says: "The grand jury may not imprison or execute any government personnel or their children."
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The article does not mention
The article does not mention that Alan Keys ran against Obama for the US Senate seat in IL. He was a "carpet bagger" who was imported because of his race, as it was felt that he might have a chance of defeating Obama. It should have also been noted in the article that some of these "birthers" have resorted to a different ploy. Some have sighted an obscure US supreme court ruling from like 100 years back which stated that the child of a non citizen is likewise a non-citizen. Thus, while they (finally) acknowledged that Obama was born in the USA, they submit that he is still ineligible for high office.
As far as I am concerned, the time to debate these issues came and went before the primaries concluded. After that, any such challenges would have become challenges against the people's right to choose their own leaders. I also (personally) don't care if Obama was born on Alpha Century, from a test-tube of DNA collected from Vulcans and James Brown. What I do care about is that he appears to be cow-towing to the same corporate interests who have nearly collapsed our nation. We (the voters) I submit, wanted more Samuel L. Jackson with our Jackie Robinson.
PS> Along the same
PS> Along the same lines:
Walk down the middle of the main blvd. in Seoul, So. Korea. Go "enie-meenie-miney-moe" between the various street vendors, those selling fake Gucci handbags, hot-dogs and Rolex watches and any one selected (by random) would have made a FAR better US president then Bush-W. English would not be required.
They're all nuts but...
...that Fitzpatrick guy scares me more than Orly Taitz's wig!
In all seriousness though, he sounds like he's unhinged.
Why take crazy people serious?
This is just as nuts as these people to give them any attention. Where do we go for the truth and who do we believe?
http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/08/revealed-organic-food-a-scam/
Why pay attention to crazy people?
The effin' media will not let me ignore Palin, Rush, Birthers, 9-11ers etc. and I'm old enough to remember when "news" was respected. And being a "Journalist" was something to be proud of. The Left and the Right have joined Ozzie on the Crazy Train.
I definitely believe the
I definitely believe the evidence that shows Obama was born in Hawaii. The only thing I don't understand is why he is willing to produce EVERYTHING to prove it - except the birth certificate, which is what they are asking for and will make this whole thing end.
So I definiely believe he was born in the US, I only wonder if there is something else that is trying to be covered up by refusing to produce the one document that is being requested.
If someone asks to see your driver's license for example, and you claim to have one, but you produce a social security card, a student ID, a lease etc to prove your identity, residency, and age, but still refuse to produce the driver's license, it would seem fishy, wouldn't it?
Because...
Because there is nothing Obama can do, say, or provide that will "make this whole thing end." There is no reason to respond to them because nothing will make these lunatics go away. The only thing to do is to ignore them.
Are you really saying that
Are you really saying that people who would question anything about your king should be ignored because they have nothing worthy to say. You are a sheep and an anathema to this country.
Obama is a public servant. Not a god (though he is obviously yours), and if any significant portion of the citizenry demands that he verifies anything, he should or be compelled to do so by that portion of the citizenry.
You are aware that he first "produced" his birth certificate with the reg. number blacked out. They claim it was because they didn't know if it was linked to any private information. Like the President of the Untied States couldn't get a hold of the relevant public official to find out the relevance of that bit of info. COME ON. Have the people of this country really become this stupid?
I'm not saying I know what's going on. Maybe he was born in HI. The point is, so many of you think that to even question where he was born makes you an idiot. I assure you, those that do not question are the idiots.
LEARN SOME HISTORY.
So here are the relevant questions that smart people ask:
1, Why does it seem like it was so hard for Obama to prove his citizenship?
2. Why would be believe him on this when he has so obviously lied about so many other things?
Regarding the second question, I do not have time to inform you about everything, but here is a tip that even my 11 year old son knows: listen with your own ears and look with your own eyes. Don't just believe everything you are told.
birthers
Well I gotta question for the birthers. Was or was not O's mother American?
I don't think it would matter where he was born, he had an American mother and that trumps place of birth, unless she first gave up her citizenship, which she did not.
If you gotta question of his citizenship wouldn't it be on the lines of the adoption by his stepfather?
Was it necassary for him to give up citizenship when his Indonesian stepfather adopted him?
Place of birth is irrelevant, I would surmise. Nothing like arguing a mute point.
Sorry to rain on the birthers parade.
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Birthers
Has anyone shown you Sarah Palin's High school diploma?
Nothing Shown will End This
The saying "can't see the forest for the trees" seems to come to mind here. There is NOTHING that can be shown as proof of Obama's birth place that will shut these kooks up. IF Obama released EVERYTHING he had in the form of records, documents, etc., they would STILL CLAIM they are phony and bogus. The goal is to keep the marathon of crap alive to keep everyone stirred up and angry because they do not like his policies, that he is one-half African American and that he stomped them in the election. Their goal is to overturn the election and have him removed from office. They are full of hate, anger, and they are turning more to violence. They are fueled by right-wingnuts and talk-show hosts who are paid millions to keep them agitated. A vast majority of them do not see through what is going on in terms of exploiting them by these Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly attack squadrons. I don't believe Obama has ANYTHING to hide whatsoever, and as president, I imagine that EVERY GOVT SECURITY AGENCY has checked him inside out and upside down for anything controversial. Not only govt security agencies, but private ones hired by the opposition as well. They probably know the pattern of his DNA by now. It is a well orchestrated game to attack him clearly with the idea of ruining him and having him removed from office.
No obligation
Why is Obama obligated to show any certificate to anybody? Have the courts ordered him to do so? When did childish rants of hysterical hatemongers become legally binding?
The people have spoken. The losers must move on.
"Why is Obama obligated to
"Why is Obama obligated to show any certificate to anybody?"
Any certificate? No.
Birth certificate? Article II US Constitution.
Personally, I think any and all presidential candidates can and should be challenged for their birth certificates. This sort of discussion has come up before. I think Presidents do have a special obligation to present a birth certificate, that you or I may not have.
Present it to whom?
Well, if candidates for Presidency have an obligation to present their birth certificates, the question might be - "present it to whom?"
I have an obligation to present my birth certificate to get a passport. And I did. But it didn't appear in on the front page of the newspaper. The fact that I got a passport should be proof enough that my credentials satisfied the authorities.
I shouldn't have to present my birth certificate to some knuckleheaded idiot who claims that my passport is invalid. The agency issuing the passport was satisfied; I don't care whether the knucklehead isn't.
I have to present my documents that I am a citizen or legal resident of the US in order to accept employment here. I present them to my company's HR department, and those documents are CONFIDENTIAL. I am not obligated to show them to my co-workers.
Barack Obama's credentials satisfied the government officials in authority over elections. So did every other candidate for president. That should be enough.
Birth Certificates
At age 21, I took the fancy birth certificate my mother had saved from the hospital to the passport office. They told me I needed a current certification of birth from the state in which I was born. I still have it - hand typed on a faded piece of green paper.
At age 35, I needed to renew my passport and took the expired passport and that little green slip of paper to the passport office. They told me I needed a current certification from the state in which I was born, so I did it all over again.
That second, more official, blue document has a border and a state seal in the corner, and even less information than was on the green one. This was just fine and I got my new passport.
When I applied for social security, guess what? I had to go through all the above steps again and the document I received didn't look like either of the first two.
When my three children were born, in 1963, 1970, and 1977, I did not receive anything from the hospital. Apparently the ones they used to issue were just souvenirs for the mother to keep.
So I knew from the beginning that this entire scam was bogus. The birther leaders are simply psychotics in need of treatment.
You can't give in to obvious
You can't give in to obvious nutty people or else you'll spend all your time responding to idiotic claims. In the face of overwhelming evidence, they still demand to "see in person" (as he has displayed via internet) the document. Even if you were to show it to them, the birthers would claim it's a forgery or other such nonsense, it would never end. The only thing I would do is offer to show it only if the birthers put up a million dollars to a charity of Obama's choice. If they're so concerned and are willing to spend their time and money now, at least let the money go to a good cause.
It's simple really
It's simple really. Not showing the actual document keeps the right wing nut jobs screaming and in the public eye. The public automatically assumes these are the constituents who support the Republican party and, by association, the Republican party itself. It's helping to reinforce the GOP's image problem and it's continuing demise...
Shrill, ad hominem attacks
Shrill, ad hominem attacks on 'nutty birthers' are getting to be a bit much. These are the issues at hand:
*Thanks to idiosynchratic HI law, the Certificate Of Live Birth posted by Obama (and 'verified' by the hardly official, or impartial FactCheck) can be issued to persons born OUTSIDE of the state, yet indicate that they were 'born in Hawai'i'. For this reason, the Hawai'ian government won't accept this document for it's Hawai'ian Homestead Program. A copy of the Applicant's Birth Certificate (containing the actual place of birth, &c.) is required. Contrary to what some have stated, the HI government still maintains the origional and will issue photocopies for a nominal fee. Obama has refused to allow this. HI officials have stated that they have such a document on file, but have NOT revealed its contents.
*Socialist Workers' Party Presidential candidate Roger Calero--who has been upright and honest about having been born in Nicaragua--nonetheless got on the ballot in several states. Unless the Posey bill is passed, there is no formal vetting procedure for POTUS eligibility. Democrats (rightfully) investigated this issue with John McCain, but refuse to do so for Obama.
*Obama has refused to allow access to ANY of his personal records, including college admission records. At issue here is whether-or-not Obama obtained a scholarship open only to FOREIGN students, to cover his costly tuition. Nor has he released records of meetings with lobbyists. Bush, McCain and Kerry released these records. For someone who campaigned on a platform of "openness and transparency", as well as being candid of embarassing personal details like his cocaine abuse, this is very odd.
*Obama, along with his sister, has mentioned TWO hospitals as his birthplace: Queens, then Kapi'olani. When he settled on Kapi'olani and sent them a signed letter, the hospital briefly posted the letter on its website, then inexplicably removed it. Even utterly unremarkable people such as VP Dan Quayle have virtual shrines made of their birthplaces--why not Obama? Additionally, NOBODY has come forward with personal anecdotes (NOT third-party heresay) about baby Barack and his mother, in Hawai'i.
Whether-or-not Obama was born, as he claims, in Hawai'i, he's only fuelled these 'crazy birther theories' by his opacity and stonewalling. The mainstream media-telecom industry contributed much of the Obama-Biden campaign's $700M+ war chest. Thus, propagandistic 'reporting' from the likes of Chris Matthews is no surprise. However, the left's 'alternative' media have, sadly, also become fawning fans of Barack Obama.
shrill, fallacious distortions
Your comments about Hawaiian Homestead Program are promoted only on the furthest right-wingnut web sites, and the simplest fact check proves them wholly false:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
"Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification."
That took me about 15 seconds to find. I'll bet two minutes would suffice to debunk the remainder of your learned essay. I submit, sir or madam, as the case may be, that you're no moderate skeptic, but a far right wing, paranoid ideologue.
Sorry, Adam, this is all made-up nonsense
Obama has not refused to present anything. There is no super-secret original birth certificate that trumps the Certificate of Live Birth issued to any Hawaiian citizen. That certificate will get you anything you need -- an SS number, a passport, a state ID/driver's license, anything. And any birth certificate issued by Hawaii to people not born there will not list the person as having been born in Hawaii -- it will list their actual birthplace. There is simply no sensible case that can be made by the birthers. Do you really think that if there was anything to this that John McCain would have simply stood by and let Obama be inaugurated? That the GOP wouldn't have taken this to its pet Supreme Court the way they did in 2000? Grow the hell up.
Right you are!!! IF there
Right you are!!! IF there was ANYTHING they (Gop, McCain, Palin RNC) could have used against Obama legally and it had ANY substantial weight behind it, it would have been used with the speed of lightening, and plastered all over the media. They would have done it do disqualify him right then and there. This junk is all they can come up with, and people are gullible enough to buy into it. It is the ONLY THING so far that has gotten them this much publicity and mileage. Every other attack on Obama has really gone nowhere. And with Limbaugh ranting about wanting Obama to fail, and DeMint talking about health reform will be Obama's Waterloo, what does that say? THEY WANT FAILURE! It's their way in which to smear Obama--hoping enough steam will get behind it, and cause failure, more agitation, distraction, derisiveness and contempt. They want him out and are trying every gimmick and trick in the book to reach that goal.
"It is the ONLY THING so far
"It is the ONLY THING so far that has gotten them this much publicity and mileage."
And paypal donations. I have yet to see a birther website that doesn't request donations. Berg and Taitz, the most active birther lawyers, are scam artist who do this for money.
Taitz claims to be a non-profit organization, but when you check with the IRS, you find that she did apply for non-profit status but her application was never approved. She filed in Jan. She will not be approved.
Again, WHAT hospital was he
Again, WHAT hospital was he born at at? I know he currently maintains that he was born at Kapi'olani, but why did he (and his sister) used to say Queens? You have to admit that's weird.
From the horse's mouth:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
[quote]The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.[/quote]
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
Note that they still require CertifiCATIONS Of Live Birth, which are not the document that Obama provided for 'verification'. And no--he has NOT released his college admission, nor Senate records (which, I remind you, include which lobbyists he met with). Again, Obama was not afraid of admitting his cocaine abuse (in his autobio), which could be VERY politically damaging; why is he reluctant to release THIS information?
And AGAIN, contrary to the whole "they check this stuff" argument--there is no formal verification procedure. I cannot fathom why EVERYBODY won't support the Posey bill, or why Obama refuses to put this matter to rest by releasing his Hawai'ian Dept. of Health records. Alternately, he could simply release his mother's admission records to Kapi'olani (or was it Queens?) and be done with it--one way, or another.
"[§338-17.8] Certificates
"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
While you may get a Hawaiian BC for an adopted child or child born outside of Hawaii, the BC would list the place of birth in the place you were actually born.
So, let's say you adopt a child from South Korea. If you are a Hawaiian citizen, you may get a Hawaiian BC for your adopted child. But the BC will list South Korea as your child's place of birth, not Hawaii.
I had a heck of a time
I had a heck of a time getting a copy of my birth certificate (from CA, not HI) because my parents, in the less than 25 years between my birth and my need for my birth certificate, managed to mangle their collective recollection of the hospital until it became a different hospital. Only after I managed to straighten this out with CA did they recall that I was actually born in the hospital in which CA thought I was born.
Also, my mother would never okay public access to her medical records, even for me, even if I were POTUS. Probably Obama could override such objections with an executive order, but do we want a president who would do so?
I know you don't trust these
I know you don't trust these people, but maybe this is something you could check for yourself:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106258
Now THAT is suspicious.
The former Soviet Republic
The former Soviet Republic referred to should be "Moldova" rather than "Moldavia." Moldavia is in fact a region that straddles both Romania and Moldova.
More power to the birthers
More power to the birthers and their ilk, Sarah the Palin and Joe the Plumber. Let's hope they are on the Republican ticket in 2012. Go you teabaggers and healthcare opponets and lovers of corporate health care.
Ya know who are watching all of these shenanigans very closely? Those folks who are independents. If you think they were pissed 08, wait til you see them in 2012. I see Obama for 8 years followed by Hillary for the next 8.
Keep it up you crazy redneck wingnuts. We're lovin ya - you betcha.
I know you might not take
I know you might not take this news source seriously, but it's true (and rather funy, too):
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106051
Somehow, the media (a multibillion-dollar corporate sector, that helped with Obama's $700M+ campaign fund) was okay with runing ILLEGALLY-OBTAINED records of 'Joe the Plumber' (and rather hillariously attempting to pass off that forged George Bush letter), but won't probe Obama's background. Not just his birth records, but things like his ties to ACORN (quashed by the NY Times) and Richard M. Daley.
Also, enough of this 'Obama will fix/socialize healthcare' nonsense. Both the right-wingers and the Obamamaniacs are wrong about this. Transnational pharmaceutical companies and Microsoft are NOT 'socialist' entities. For its $20M donation to Obama's campaign and glitzy inauguration, Microsoft is getting a $20BILLION medical records porkbarrel programme. Up here in Canada, Jean 'Adscam' Chretien was responsible for that $2B sinkhole known as the Gun Registry. It was supposed to cost twenty MILLION. As medical records are VASTLY more complicated than serial numbers on guns (which Liberal donors cum Registry contractor Honeywell and CGI managed to screw up), I pity sick, tax-paying people in America.
Obama is merely beholden to a different bunch of 'capitalist pigs' (pharmaceuticals, IT and HMOs, vs the Republicans' indemnity insurer donors). You will NEVER get a 'socialist' healthcare plan (like the old Dellums bill), or a single-payer plan (like ours). And BTW, all the horrible things you hear about the Canadian health system are largely false.
Birthers are bad, but you're worse.
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Whoa, there, Pilgrim!
I can't let this article go unchallenged. Morris and Schulman have made a leap of faith that is as troubling as that which they see among people who call themselves 9/11 truthers. While they lump all 9/11 truthers into a single class of people who think that 9/11, global warming, liberal causes, the Federal Reserve, taxation, and so forth are all part of a vast complex conspiracy, this idea is unsupported by the evidence. And while there are kooks who actually do believe all those things are part and parcel of a single evil conspiracy, most of the people I know in the 9/11 truth movement don't even want to concoct a story that says everything that happened on 9/11 was orchestrated by one entity.
Some of us are actually scientists, architects, or engineers who have found the official story claiming that all events of 9/11 are connected to be fatally flawed by lack of any supporting scientifically credible physical evidence. Those whom I have worked with limit themselves to forensic analyses that should have been done by the US government but were not. In fact, the story that the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings fell straight down into their footprints due to collisions and/or fires is not only not supported by NIST's own report, but is ludicrous on its face as a plausible hypothesis.
In forensics the rule is that nothing can be offered as a conclusion that requires any sort of leap of faith. Not only has the US government violated this strict rule, but it did not even treat these sites as crime scenes.
I have never heard any of my colleagues make claims beyond statements that the only credible working hypothesis about the WTC collapses is controlled demolition. Morris and Schulman's claim that all 9/11 truthers are cut of the same right wing paranoid conspiracy theory cloth just doesn't fit.
Author's Bio: The author is a retired physicist and chemical engineer with a research and development career spanning in excess of 30 years. His 9/11 research is published at http://www.journalof911studies.com/, Volume 12, 2007.
Jerry, If you are going to
Jerry,
If you are going to comment on a story please do so. Don't use it as a shameless attempt to open up a completely different subject and attract traffic to your website on that completely different subject.
Jerry is a troll. His
Jerry is a troll. His message is copypasta that was snipped about a month ago from another Web site (scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll see the exact same message).
9/11 Truth Movement (??)
I have never heard any of my colleagues make claims beyond statements that the only credible working hypothesis about the WTC collapses is controlled demolition.
Did an actual plane strike each of the Twin Towers in New York City ? If the answer to that is yes, then the controlled demolition which is the basis of your hypothesis had to have been weeks if not months in planning. Those that took control of the planes were U.S plants, they flew into the buildings and then timed explosions were triggered with such precision that no one on the ground that witnessed the plane strikes was able to detect them.
Is that about right? I have very little FAITH in my government's ability to choose morals over money but your hypothesis requires accepting that those running our country (be they politicians or business men) are just outright EVIL. You know, the kind that as kids spent their time drowning puppies. Is THAT what you are proposing?
Birthers
I have to believe that if there were any CREDIBLE evidence to support his being a non-citizen, this would have been brought up and blasted all over the place by the Clinton team and the other Democrat contenders, or the candidates (Keys, et al.) back in Illinois. I agree with the poster who said this is just part of a plan to distract and delay for the real issues.
Thank you
Birthers
SCREW the birthers. ENOUGH of this nonsense already. I am a 68-year-old woman who has been voting for presidents since 1964, and I have no intention of watching, listening to, or reading about any further comments by "birthers." The media should start simply ignoring them. Let them rant and rave on and on and on - among themselves. No intelligent person is listening to them anyway.
The fanatics are on the Left.
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The "crazies" in this show are found mostly on the left.
Their guiding principle is "don't bother me with facts".
On the other hand, the birthers want to investigate facts. Because the biased lefties fear that their own preconceived ideas might be overturned by reality, they resort to desperate language like "crackpot ideas", "vile falsehoods", "racial hatred", "cesspool", "nonsense", "right-wing fringe", "bigot", "white fear", "kooks", "hysteria" and "propaganda". (These are quoted from recent articles I read attacking those seeking the best evidence documents to settle legitimate questions about Obama.) The ironclad preconceptions are found on the left, so plain to see.
Like Bob Dylan wrote "Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall - The times, they are a'changing". So don't block the birther's inquires. Let the facts flow and speak for themselves.
I understand that Orly is
I understand that Orly is Israeli.
Anonymous "Forensic Specialists"
The "anonymous ‘forensics specialist’ who goes by the handle TechDude" (mentioned in the Corsi section of the article) is actually Adam Fink of Colombia, MO.
See:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/09/end-of-whole-mess.html
Also see penultimate comment in this thread:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/09/end-of-whole-mess.html
As you might expect, many of the credentials he claimed were false or inflated.
I can't believe this is a
I can't believe this is a real issue.He won the election for what's it's worth.As for Alan Keyes he comes across as a bitter defeated foe here.
Those Birthers!
Before Obama was elected I told many that I was voting for him, "just to see those Crackers sh-t"". My wish has been granted and the defecations of the Crackers are SUMPTHIN real bad smelling. Still their spastic efforts are goofy enough to supply Jon Stewart with jokes for many moons.
Meet the Birthers
OK. So when is Mother Jones publishing a blog about Democrat's general belief that George Bush knew about 9/11 in advance. According to a Rasmussen poll (2007) most Democrats in America either aren't sure or believe he knew of the attack prior to the event. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure. Thus most Democrats sport the tinfoil about the Muslim attack on America.
Bush "Knew" About 9/11
Well, he had a memo five weeks beforehand warning him it was going to happen.
Whether he READ the memo is another story, so I guess you can wiggle out of whether he "knew" or not if you're willing to argue that he didn't read even the cover page of his own daily security briefing.
August 6, 2001 PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEFING: Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the U.S.
Libel and defamation in this article
I am not a "birther" nor have I ever associated myself with anyone who is. I am identified as the "Godfather" of this movement simply because my original research formed the basis for their subsequent claims. Just because they copied my writing does not mean I endorse the unfounded claims made by the individuals you write about. At no time have I ever even remotely suggested Barack Obama was born out of the United States. Other than simply suing in Hawai’i to request a copy of Obama’s original birth certificate, I have never questioned the location of his birth. Your writers published a false and defamatory claim about me. Please correct your article or legal action will be taken.
Andy Martin
www.AndyforUSSenator.com
People are choosing to ignore the facts...
Pres. Obama HAS provided official documentation which proves that he was born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii has his original long-form birth certificate. It clearly states that Pres. Obama was born in Hawaii. Even though this information has been publicly available since Obama started his campaign, birthers and their supporters continue to ignore the facts.
Also, I am an American citizen. I was born in the United States as were both my parents. My parents have my original birth certificate. A few years ago, I requested a copy of my birth certificate from the state Department of Health. The copy I received does not list which hospital I was born in--just the basics, the names of my parents, date of birth, my name, and a certificate number. I've used this copy to obtain a drivers license, among other purposes. It is virtually identical to the short-form certification of birth that Obama has provided.
