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Defeating Al Qaeda With Pizza, Cookies, and the Koran

The story of Ali Soufan, a key interrogator of terrorist suspects for the FBI, is a firm rebuke to Bush-era torture policy and ongoing Islamophobia.

| Tue Oct. 4, 2011 6:00 AM EDT

What is the best way to break a terrorist? Waterboarding? Stress positions? What about pizza, ice cream, or sugar-free cookies?

The most surprising element of former FBI interrogator Ali Soufan's memoir, The Black Banners: The Inside Story of 9/11 and the War Against al-Qaeda, is how receptive terrorists are to food. When Soufan takes L'Houssaine Kherchtou, an Al Qaeda fixer, out for pizza, Khertchou tells him he's "not an Al Qaeda guy anymore." Mohamed Rashed Daoud al-Owhali, who helped facilitate the bombing of the American embassy in Nairobi in 1998, spills the beans after being plied with cookies and Meals Ready to Eat. Tariq el-Sawah, captured at Tora Bora and currently detained at Guantanamo Bay, has a fondness for ice cream. And in the desperate hours immediately following the 9/11 attacks, Soufan wears down the diabetic Abu Jandal, a former bodyguard for Osama bin Laden, with sugarless cookies, establishing that Al Qaeda was indeed responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

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There are other levers Soufan uses, of course, to get information out of his subjects. Khertchou is furious over bin Laden's refusal to pay for his wife's cesarean section. Owhali is overwhelmed by the quality of information the FBI has assembled. Abu Jandal, despite his fondness for bin Laden, is shocked at the scale of the attacks—particularly after Soufan manipulates him into believing that hundreds of Yemenis died in the assault on the towers. Soufan also exploits regional resentments between Al Qaeda members; the "Gulf Arabs" were frequently resentful of Egyptian members' superior influence and financial benefits, to the point that Al Qaeda would divide into Egyptian and Gulf teams for their Friday soccer games. Soufan leverages their ignorance of the Koran and uses their fidelity to extremist ideology to manipulate them into talking.

Because Soufan played a key role in investigating Al Qaeda's most successful strikes against the United States, from the East Africa embassy bombings to the 9/11 attacks, his account reads a bit like a first-person version of Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower, a definitive book on bin Laden's terrorist movement in which Soufan figures prominently. A Lebanese immigrant and self-identified "fraternity boy," Soufan applied to the FBI armed with knowledge of Arabic, Islam, and the Middle East that would make him a crucial part of the bureau beginning in the late 1990s. His reliance on traditional methods of interrogation put him at odds with the brutal tactics implemented by the Bush administration after 9/11.

In 2009, having since retired, Soufan came forward as a key opponent of torturing suspected terrorists. Through newspaper op-eds and congressional testimony, he argued that torture was useless, and that the Bush administration had claimed credit for intelligence he himself had acquired without torture in order to retroactively justify its tactics. Soufan, who writes his book that he preferred Bush over Gore and identified with the "strong national security approach to the GOP," quickly became a target for the political right because of his opposition to torture. Soufan's criticism of the CIA, meanwhile, is reportedly the reason for the book's lengthy redactions of information that is already public knowledge.

Treating every terrorist as a mere drone in a massive Muhammadan hive mind misses the point.

In The Black Banners, Soufan tells this story in more detail than ever before—complete with the Brechtian amateurism of the psychologists who insist, even as their "enhanced interrogation techniques" fail, that torture will work if only they can torture a little bit more. Soufan asserts that useful information extracted from key Al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was acquired by Soufan prior to Zubaydah's being waterboarded 83 times. He also points out that alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, despite being waterboarded 183 times, didn't just manage to withold information about the courier who ultimately helped the Obama administration find bin Laden's secret compound; he also managed to keep secret "ticking time bombs" in Spain, Britain, and Indonesia—all places struck by Al Qaeda plots that KSM likely knew about.

Soufan's story also serves as a rebuke to the Islamophobic "Shariah panic" that has gripped the right wing of the Republican Party since Bush left office. Support for torture and the blanket fear of Muslims have similar intellectual roots: Both presume that Muslim extremists are unflappable warrior-monks whose commitment to brutality is matched only by their encyclopedic knowledge of the Koran. Soufan writes of the prostitute-seeking, liquor-shot-pounding extremists that he was surprised "how morally corrupt (in Islamic terms) some al-Qaeda members are." Soufan notes that while "they could quote bin Laden's sayings by heart," in many cases they were largely ignorant about theology. "I knew far more of the Koran than they did," he writes.

The Islamophobes in particular blast their critics for failing to grapple adequately with the details of Al Qaeda's brand of Islamic extremism: Know your enemy, they admonish. Which is ironic, because theirs is a mantra Soufan shares. "People ask what is the most important weapon we have against al-Qaeda," he writes, "and I reply, 'knowledge.'" Soufan is talking about the extremists' unique and flawed Islamic theology, but he's also referring to their petty jealousies, personal foibles, and past histories. Treating every terrorist as a mere drone in a massive Muhammadan hive mind misses the point. "Each detainee is different, knows different things, and has different triggers that will get him to cooperate."

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