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We "Cannot Walk Away" From Sandy Hook

But the bigger problem, says gun-violence expert Garen Wintermute, is America's 88 gun deaths every day.

| Tue Mar. 12, 2013 3:05 AM EDT

LF: What do you say to people who argue that these kinds of regulations don't work, that criminals will always find some way to get guns?

GW: All of the research evidence shows that increasing regulation of firearms—whether the firearms themselves, the people who are allowed to have them, or the conditions under which they are bought and sold—makes a difference. I think it can be hard to prove that any one law makes a difference because laws are enacted in groups, or one right after the other, but there's just no question in my mind, looking at the hundreds of studies that have been done, that regulating commerce and use of firearms prevents violence.

LF: Who are the "prohibited people"?

"I could have a record of misdemeanor violence as long as my arm, and still purchase as many firearms as the law otherwise allows: That's nuts."

GW: We prohibit felons and people who are under felony indictment. A paradox: The only misdemeanors we prohibit people for are domestic violence misdemeanors, at least under federal law. Other than in California and a few other states, I could have a record of misdemeanor violence as long as my arm and still purchase as many firearms as the law otherwise allows: That's nuts.

LF: Federal background checks have been in place only since 1994. I imagine they have had some kind of impact?

GW: Yes. In 2009, state and federal agencies ran 10.7 million checks, although not all of them were for firearm purchases. Some of them were for permits to carry concealed weapons. And generally about 1.5 percent of those led to denials. That sounds like a small percentage, but 1.5 percent of almost 11 million is a lot of people. And that's a good thing. Most of the denials are for people who have been convicted of crimes. So one can make the simple, intuitive case that the system is preventing high-risk people from acquiring guns.

LF: Can you talk about the gun industry's influence on the regulatory landscape?

GW: The role of the NRA as a political force is relatively recent. Up until the late 1960s, the NRA was not particularly interested in politics. But over a series of developments they became very much involved and worked hard on campaigns and worked hard on legislation. The NRA simply did not have, at least not across-the-board, the power to call the outcome of an election the way people think. They got a boost from their opponents who ceded to the NRA more electoral power than it actually had.

"I think the NRA's reputation was inflated by their opponents, who were looking to get themselves off the hook."

The Democrats were looking for a scapegoat to explain some of their own poor performance, so the gun issue got blamed for Al Gore's defeat when there's good polling data to show that simply wasn't the case. And in other instances I think the NRA's reputation was inflated not just by them but by their opponents, who were looking to get themselves off the hook.

What's happened more recently is this. Beginning in 2012, Michael Bloomberg, to identify one person, recognized the need for a long-term financial counterweight to the NRA. The NRA has not had a financial opponent in the game. Bloomberg committed money to several races in the 2012 cycle.

And then Sandy Hook came along, I think we are now seeing not just Bloomberg's organization, but a new organization headed by Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly, Americans for Responsible Solutions. Elected officials concerned about their own political futures don't have just one voice to listen to now, but they probably have several, all of them backed by substantial pocketbooks. I think that's going to change the game.

LF: There is a sense of urgency about gun control. Do you attribute it mainly to Sandy Hook?

The recent mass shooting "together killed 95 people. That is a lot...but we lose on average 88 people every day to gun violence."

GW: I've been doing this for 30 years. I've never seen this much interest in doing something about firearms. I think people probably, in their minds, simply cannot walk away from that event without doing something about it. But it's not just Sandy Hook. The week before Sandy Hook, kids waiting in line to see Santa Claus at a shopping center in Portland had to run for cover. It hadn't been long before that that people going to temple in Wisconsin were shot. Not long before that there was the Aurora shooting. So Sandy Hook reminded people of the tragedies about which nothing had been done.

Take Sandy Hook and the Oak Creek temple shootings and Aurora and Virginia Tech and Columbine—all of them together killed 95 people. That is a lot of people, but we lose on average 88 people every day to gun violence. We have another more than 200 seriously injured every day. And people got that—that if we focus on mass shootings, we're setting ourselves up to lose on two grounds. Number one, they are all different and we can't tailor-make a solution. And number two, we recognize that, as horrific and riveting as these events are, the bigger problem is the endemic violence that we don't notice unless it somehow touches close to home.

LF: Do you think Congress and state legislators are going to do anything significant this time around?

GW: I think there's a better than 50 percent chance that we will get something that looks like comprehensive background checks, and that will be an important change, probably more important even than people realize. I keep thinking about how 80 percent of guns that are acquired with criminal intent are acquired from private parties. I think we should do everything we can to make that harder to do. I have eaten, breathed, slept this issue for 30 years, and it was clear to me by the Friday afternoon [of the Sandy Hook shootings] that this was the moment I had spent those 30 years getting ready for.

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