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Washington Dispatch: Latter-day Saints are like the superheroes of Christianity: When disaster strikes, they spring into action. So why isn't Mitt Romney bragging?

December 28, 2007


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Despite his much-heralded "Mormon speech" earlier this month, Mitt Romney has avoided talking about the nitty-gritty of his Latter-day Sainthood on the campaign trail. And therein lies a strategic gaffe perhaps akin to Al Gore's refusal in 2000 to campaign on the environment.

Sure, Mormonism may freak people out. Its rules and rituals—baptizing the dead, the funny underwear—are a bit outside the Christian mainstream for a guy who needs to woo evangelicals in Iowa. But forget for a moment the golden tablets, and consider this: Mormonism, at its most practical, is a deeply American religion—rooted in Republican Party orthodoxy and many bedrock American values.

While the Book of Mormon may tell tall tales of mythical Nephites romping around North America, LDS church doctrine, as practiced, emphasizes far more pragmatic tenets. Mormons preach such virtues as moderation, frugality, taking care of your own, giving back to the community, and avoiding dependence on the government. (They're also known for armed resistance, too, a history that should have wide appeal to the GOP gun-nut constituency, but that's another story.)

There's no better place to see the manifestation of all this than in a crisis. Mormons are masters of disaster preparedness, a point that neither Romney nor his advisers have yet touted. The church's humanitarian-services arm is an underappreciated asset that Romney has thus far failed to capitalize on as he's contended with the charge—or suspicion—that his religion makes him too weird to be president.

Ever since 9/11, federal and state officials have been imploring Americans to stockpile some food and water and supplies in the basement, without tremendous success (if my basement is any indication). But long before the war on terror, the Mormon church was teaching its members how to prepare for the worst. As the church's Welfare Services Handbook says, "No true Latter-day Saint, while physically or emotionally able, will voluntarily shift the burden of his own or his family's well-being to someone else." To that end, the church coaches members to stockpile a year's worth of food and drinking water, along with other provisions, and most do. If terrorists or a tornado hits your neighborhood, you definitely want to be living next door to a family of Mormons.

The church's self-reliance dogma extends beyond the average family basement to the community at large. For instance, it runs Bishop's Storehouse Services, a network of regional warehouses that became well known during the Great Depression. When disaster strikes, church elders spring into action to distribute the goods through a welfare organization whose efficiency has been compared by some writers to the German Wehrmacht.

I grew up in Utah and have seen this phenomenon first hand. In the spring of 1983, after record levels of snow melted in the nearby mountains, City Creek flooded and threatened major parts of Salt Lake City. On a Sunday morning, as the water started to rise, the church quickly mobilized thousands of people to make sandbags to save critical parts of downtown (and, of course, the church infrastructure). We watched with amazement as the volunteers literally diverted the floodwater onto State Street, a major thoroughfare (where people later went fishing). The efforts were so successful that state officials estimated that they prevented 1,400 acres of land from flooding and $140 million in water damage.

More recently, the church went into high gear during Hurricane Katrina in a performance that put the federal government to shame. Before the storm made landfall, the LDS church in New Orleans safely evacuated all but about seven families out of about 2,500 local members, largely because the church had created an automated telephone emergency warning system that alerted all its members, instructing them to get out of town and telling them where to go.

Two days before the storm made landfall, while FEMA was floundering, the church dispatched 10 trucks full of tents, sleeping bags, tarps to cover wrecked roofs, bottled water, and 5-gallon drums of gas from its warehouses to New Orleans and other hard-hit areas. The supplies were distributed in an orderly fashion to people who desperately needed them.

Rather than downplay his religion, Mitt could spotlight the aspects of his church that reflect basic Republican values of self-sufficiency and the primacy of the private sector. After all, if disaster strikes, who will really care whether the Book of Mormon puts the Garden of Eden in Missouri? What matters is that if Romney ends up in the White House, his God will no doubt tell him to dispatch the trucks before the hurricane strikes.

Stephanie Mencimer is a reporter in Mother Jones' Washington, D.C., bureau and the author of Blocking the Courthouse Door: How the Republican Party and Its Corporate Allies Are Taking Away Your Right to Sue (Free Press, 2006).



 

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The Mormon Church? is very good at promoting itself, especially during crisis, but if you follow the money and relief you will find that the vast majority of it will go solely to local Mormons and not the community in general. This has happened time and time again and is easily verified, so please temper your enthusiasm for Mormon giving and understand that it is to a large part very self serving.
Posted by:swimmerboyDecember 28, 2007 7:32:47 PMRespond ^
How about easily verifying your claim? Start with the Katrina disaster for example.
Posted by:SteveDecember 28, 2007 8:02:36 PMRespond ^
The LDS church has given millions to NON-MEMBERS all over the world. When the tsunami hit, the church loaded up 5 747’s full of supplies in Salt Lake City & flew them to southeast asia. Hardly any of those supplies went to Mormons.
Posted by:Jim SDecember 28, 2007 8:04:10 PMRespond ^
Swimmerboy...Mormons are here to stay and neither you nor or any anti-mormon is going to change that. We can't reach out to everyone, but to those we do, we do so in the spirit of love and charity.
Posted by:bobDecember 28, 2007 9:17:17 PMRespond ^
That's it Swimmerboy. You be the unchristian christian this time. No good deed goes uncritized by you if it comes from the Mormons. No matter what they do, you always hate the Mormons, don't ya, Swimmerboy?
Posted by:DavidDecember 28, 2007 9:36:15 PMRespond ^
For verification, I would suggest following the link in the article to the PBS website where this was documented.
Posted by:DDecember 28, 2007 9:50:03 PMRespond ^
Your article is well written and well researched. Twice, I've been witness to the LDS church's humanitarian service. During Tropical Storm Allison which devastated Houston, all Stakes in the area cancelled their Sunday meetings and sent members door-to-door to assist people whose homes had been flooded. During Katrina, the Houston stakes were organized to send hundreds of volunteers to New Orleans to do the same thing.
Posted by:debbieDecember 29, 2007 6:51:38 AMRespond ^
Thanks for the well-written article. I believe that Mitt doesn't capitalize on the LDS church's donations and good doing because he understands that is not how Christ would have it. He wants his followers to good continually and not brag about it. Christ himself said in Matt 6:3,4 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine aalms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall breward thee openly
Posted by:DanDecember 29, 2007 8:37:57 AMRespond ^
It, like all other Christian religions, are an illness upon the psyche of man's collective contiousness. I had a relative marry a LDS gentleman, make a family, and now my dead grandfather is baptized mormon. There is no good religion, only good people with a sense of what is right and good. The planet and its inhabitants, animal, plant and people would do well to abandon these nonsensical dogmamatic corporations that call themselves churches and move on with living, compassionately, and with a simple outlook of care to harm no-one or thing.
Posted by:MEJDecember 29, 2007 9:03:53 AMRespond ^
all over the world, the Mormon Church had helped so much and directly to the needy...even until Now, if you go to Indonesia where majority are Muslims, you can still find the Mormon Church building boats and houses for people who are displaced and families or children who lost their parents...where did you get your information where the vast majority of the money solely goes to local mormons???...also all over Africa, the Mormon Church are building artesian wells so the people there could have clean water...where can we get that verification???? give us the information we'll check it out???
Posted by:beckyDecember 29, 2007 9:54:05 AMRespond ^
I was a member of that Mormon Army that went to help victims of Katrina. Our little church sent three tractors and 15 men all with chainsaws and other tools to clear downed trees and debris from homes. I was there for several days in a tent city with hundreds of other LDS men. We helped whoever needed help. No questions asked.
Posted by:Bob S.December 29, 2007 10:06:31 AMRespond ^
Mormonism has always been a little odd to me, but I applaud these efforts and I'm very happy to see Mother Jones pointing out the positive attributes of a religion instead of the usual SF-Lefty "all religion is bad" attitude. Nice article!
Posted by:MuxtonDecember 29, 2007 1:40:46 PMRespond ^
hww what, sorry. I was out creating my own religion. I came up with some silver tablets that only I can read, that were written by God. Anyone seen my other wife?
Posted by:AndrewDecember 29, 2007 5:37:44 PMRespond ^
This Money the church helps comes from members who fast and set aside that money they would have spent to give to those who are in need. What a great way to help others, I have seen this work in action in India, Sri lanka and many places without anything in return
Posted by:CyrilDecember 29, 2007 7:18:53 PMRespond ^
Romney's problem is that he has morphed from a moderate Republican to a right wing bigot, and is trying to gain political traction with the party's BARN (born again redneck) base with homophobia, immigrant bashing, Islamophobia and anti-abortion rhetoric while avoiding their disapproval of his distinctly non-mainstream theology. It just goes to show that people who live in glass houses shouldn't wear holy underwear.
Posted by:AlexLawyerDecember 29, 2007 8:05:27 PMRespond ^
funny underwear, now everyone pays attention. utah is the only state where i never got a ride with a local when i was hitchhiking. the ones i've encountered have all had this undercurrent i couldn't put a finger on. an almost vicious niceness but now days we elect presidents on their haircut so does it really matter
Posted by:felix randomDecember 29, 2007 9:25:00 PMRespond ^
I believe the reason Mitt doesn't discuss his faith is he wants to keep the debate on the issues, not on his beliefs. He also may not want to disqualify himself from the race by making remarks on religion the way John McCain did during the last presidential primary . LDS take a lot of unnecessary heat from members of mainstream religions...We need to stay focused on the fact that the process is intended to decide who will be our next leader. After all, if we had been truly concerned about the personal life of past candidates, then there have been a lot of people we've elected who should not have been. You know, we live in a free country where everyone has the right to express their point of view. What's mine? Give the Mormon thing a rest!
Posted by:ChuckDecember 29, 2007 11:28:27 PMRespond ^
I lived in a small Mormon town for several years. It was like living in the village of the damned, only you felt like the damned one if you weren't mormon. It's a very insular religion; non-mormons are not allowed in temples, cultish practices: special underwear, secret baptisms. I found it most offensive to get invitations to wedding receptions, but wasn't allowed to attend the temple weddings. I recommend a book "Secret Ceremonies" that makes me very worried to have someone who believes these things to be the "leader of the free world."
Posted by:leaDecember 30, 2007 2:06:22 PMRespond ^
I guess its like that Ford Escape Hybrid commercial. "I didn't think we needed to talk about it."
Posted by:Michael KingDecember 30, 2007 4:28:06 PMRespond ^
While I appreciate the positive tone of the article, I don't think that it is fair to give Romney credit for the service his church provides. I think he has demonstrated this type of ethic in his own actions - such as when he helped a co-worker find his runaway daughter in NYC (video on YouTube). I feel that Romney is a positive role-model and I would like to see him as our next President.
Posted by:JoelCannonDecember 30, 2007 6:00:20 PMRespond ^
Ms. Mencimer seems to believe that only Republicans share "values of self-sufficiency and the primacy of the private sector..." Her bias is pretty obvious, here... wow...
Posted by:Phred PhlintstoneDecember 30, 2007 7:17:27 PMRespond ^
THE LIES OF U.S. DEMOCRATS Hypocritical & cowardly Democrats want it both ways - they supported the Iraq War Resolution, but also want to place the blame for going to war on President George W. Bush. President Bush’s only mistake was to trust incorrect intelligence reports that originally came from the Clinton administration: "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --- President Clinton (Feb. 17, 1998 Statement On Iraq - address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff). These intelligence reports were also believed by other high profile Democrats. For example: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." --- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is developing weapons of mass destruction." --- Senator Ted Kennedy (Massachusetts), Sept. 27, 2002. "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." --- Senator John F. Kerry (Massachusetts), Oct. 9, 2002. “He (Saddam Hussein) has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaida members....Left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." --- Senator Hillary Clinton (New York), Oct 10, 2002 As you can see from the above, Democrats find it easy to cast blame, but have very short memories when it comes to the judgments of leaders in their own political party. Vincent Bemowski - Webmaster/Editor: Catholic Messages USA
Posted by:Vincent BemowskiDecember 30, 2007 8:01:28 PMRespond ^
Regarding Republican values of self - sufficiency & the primacy of the private sector... The Republicans' main constituency is the ultra-rich. Those people, for the most part, have no interest in the average person except for what we can do for THEM! After all, the worker bees have been getting 2-5% pay raises (if they get one) for the majority of the last 15 years. On the other hand , the executives have been getting 15-20% raises during the same period. The owners & stockholders have done even better...For example, one of the Waltons ( a daughter) had a net worth of $35,000,000 in 1999. In 2006, the same person had a net worth of $ 8.5 BILLION! This was done on the backs of their workers using cheap goods primarily from the PRC. What's the point? It's hard as hell to be self-sufficient when your income is not keeping up with the cost of living. There is no doubt that the Republicans believe in the primacy of the private sector...They have disabled the checks & balances in our government so they can keep the government from keeping the business community on a leash...Why should they need to do that? Ask workers in virtually every country outside the USA. It's the reason why the manufacturing section in this country has shrunk from 32% in 1985 to 8% in 2004. The companies blame the Labor Unions for the necessity of transferring their operations overseas...However, before you're quick to accept that logic, consider this...The average American worker during the early 1900's did not have the kind of benefits & protections we have now. There was essentially no middle class. We're well down the road to that point...Thanks in large part to 35 years of Republican intervention (most of it in the last 13 years) & 8 years of the Clinton administration. What was the precipitating event that made it possible? The so-called collapse of the Soviet Bloc. With no one to challenge them, "Free Enterprise" took over. The question is...Are we going to allow it to continue? Or, are we going to quit letting this continue and do something to preserve what we still have? Way too many people like to say we can't do anything. The reality is..."The only thing that needs to happen for "Evil" to win is for "good" people to stand by & do nothing." The bottom line is that we need to do something.
Posted by:chuckDecember 30, 2007 8:23:19 PMRespond ^
Don't count on it. They help people, I conceed that, but mostly they help their own first and if resources are strained the rest of us, well we're doomed to hell anyway, so not to worry. I too, have lived among the Mormons and I am no fan. They may no longer be poligamists, but their entire family structure is based on the subservience of women. Can you say, "Gee-had?" Give Mitt a turbin, he earns it everyday.
Posted by:AH MatronDecember 31, 2007 8:04:42 AMRespond ^
Bob S., I was also part of that Mormon army serving after Katrina. Out of the 15 families our work party of 8 guys helped, none were LDS. From mucking houses (think post-flood demolition of walls/cabinets/flooring) and complete gutting of rain-soaked interiors in Harvey, to clearing land in Metarie for a FEMA trailer to (hopefully) be placed in the following weeks. The most poigniant experience for me was clearing a shed that had collapsed for a family who's house was spared. As we set out clearing the debris roof down, we finally made it to the contents and got the toys out for the kids. Their eyes lit up with excitement! Having been away from their home during the evacuation and come back to a disaster area, they were missing the normalcy of their lives. They were so excited to play with their familiar toys. That's what it was all about. Helping people who needed help.
Posted by:NMSADecember 31, 2007 11:20:50 AMRespond ^
If "Mother Jones" wanted to perform a public service, they could focus on groups that use disaster as a vehicle for power and profit. Aside from the Red Cross and the Salvation Army, there are numerous groups that use disaster as a pretext for prosyletization or naked greed for the gold in suffering.
Posted by:jim altmanDecember 31, 2007 8:36:59 PMRespond ^
Mormons are great people. They take care of their own and are, by-and-large, model citizens in every respect. People who bash the Mormons need to take hard look at why they enjoy being a bigot.
Posted by:Ames TiedemanJanuary 1, 2008 7:01:20 AMRespond ^
I had no idea of how active the LDS has been. I am a Man of Color and have stayed away from looking into the church. I'll talk a second look.
Posted by:ceejayJanuary 1, 2008 12:15:26 PMRespond ^
Mormons aren't necessarily Romneyites. I've made contributions to a couple of Mormon brothers that are traveling around campainging for RON PAUL.
Posted by:DarbyJanuary 1, 2008 3:05:28 PMRespond ^
Whoa! Let's back up just a minute here. Ok, granted the Mormon's are he "squirrels" of the US, but applauding this seems to be endorsing the social welfare practices of the the 19th century.
Posted by:SJBJanuary 1, 2008 5:05:52 PMRespond ^
Oh...yes..Mormons spring into action all right...helping only other Mormons in good standing with the church...meaning they are all current on their monthly 15% tithing's...(from some one who has lived there...!)
Posted by:chabukaJanuary 2, 2008 11:11:47 AMRespond ^
I have no objection to voting for a Mormon, just not this Mormon. P.S. I'm a Quaker living in Salt Lake City
Posted by:spiralwrapJanuary 2, 2008 12:50:54 PMRespond ^
Mormons help people all around the world. Not jsut other Mormons..They are superb at taking care of their own, however.
Posted by:Ames TiedemanJanuary 2, 2008 12:52:07 PMRespond ^
That sounds all nice and good... but.... I worked in Salt Lake City with people in need and met more than one person who was receiving help from this Mormon-infrastructure until someone determined they'd been given "enough" help. Then they showed up at our door. I'm talking about people who will need help their entire lives, unable to work, unable to care for themselves or their family due to multiple physical and psychiatric problems. Also, Mormonism is certainly not alone as a religious institution providing help... Catholics and Lutherans, among others, have their entire theologies based in "serving others as serving Christ" -- and truly ask no questions because it's not about "converting" people to a religion, but simply living out one's religious beliefs which is to serve others. Period. Always consider the source, and follow the money. Who benefits?
Posted by:jetJanuary 2, 2008 12:55:20 PMRespond ^
how exciting. a Church that actually does something. unfortunately, the history of the LDS Elders mucking around & throwing their weight about in Utah politics is legendary. how does the LDS manipulate? why they've perfected the social intimidation of their membership. When CHURCHES muck about in POLITICS... there's no freedom to be found for anyone. ~~~ Spread Love... BlueBerry Pick'n can be found @ ThisCanadian.com ~~~ "We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid. ~~~ "Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"
Posted by:BlueBerry Pick'nJanuary 2, 2008 12:57:18 PMRespond ^
Oh, and regarding not being allowed to attend mormon weddings if you're not mormon -- even if you are the mother of father of the bride or groom... imagine this, moms... having your child "blessed" (Mormons don't do baptisms) by men and you ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STAND WITH THEM, but must remain seated. Saw that in my time in Salt Lake City, too. Real good "family values" there... as long as you are male, you've got it made.
Posted by:jetJanuary 2, 2008 1:00:18 PMRespond ^
There it is again... "they take care of their own" as if that is such a great thing... what about the rest of America... must we then go through the motions of being mormon to get our services if a mormon becomes president? It's bad enough one of the "qualities" of being mormon is to not ever ask questions or question authority. How does that affect our democracy?
Posted by:jetJanuary 2, 2008 1:02:37 PMRespond ^
Regarding mothers not being able to stand in the circle when their babies are blessed — Women bear the children, but their husbands bear the Priesthood. It makes a good partnership. A mother would feel sad if her husband wasn't able to bless their new baby!
Posted by:Amy H. JensenJanuary 2, 2008 2:01:10 PMRespond ^
MORMONS come to the rescue? Do you even know what kind of crazy cult that is? I find it incredible that millions of people believe in an obvious false religion founded by a charlatan. The Book of Mormon is FAKE, parts of it are directly copied from the King James Bible(both contain the 'Satyr' mistranslation). The american indians are not descended from jews, this is genetically proven. This is a fact that anyone with an open mind can look up for themselves. Maybe the Mormons are nice people but they believe in a book which is proven to be a fraud. If Romney is elected then you will have a nutcase for president. You will be a laugh for the rest of the world. I can't believe I even have to write this. Try reading a few pages of the Book of Mormon. 'Joseph Smith found gold plates buried in the ground with the book engraved on'? 'Jews sailed across the atlantic ocean and founded the Aztec civilization'? 'Jesus appeared in person there at the same time he was in Israel'? What kind of nonsense is this? How can you even consider believing it? If the same story happened today noone would believe it, but because it happened in the 1830's people believed it then and hang on to it. Where are those gold plates? Mormonism and the Book of Mormon is a hoax, even a child knows that. It's one of the biggest practical jokes in history. How stupid can one be? The fact that millions believe in it is an INSULT to human intelligence. The fact that it originated in the U.S. (along with Scientology, Jehovahs Witnesses and other bizarre inventions) is a disgrace to your country. God doesn't live on a star named Kolob and Jesus and Satan isn't blood brothers. Can it get any more bizarre? Get a grip!!!
Posted by:FromEUJanuary 2, 2008 2:09:48 PMRespond ^
swimmerboy is not alone in his disdain for the Mormon religion. I've got a good dose of that myself, so feel free to pick on me too. My beef is not so much at how they act, however. They act okay. My problem is simply with believing in silly things as if they are so. And why? Just because someone said so, is why. There is no proof that JS got any "gold tablets" from an angel. Where are the tablets? How could someone POSSIBLY have "lost" such divinely-delivered mail? Is it then "God's Plan" that they be lost? If so, then it must be that he (sorry: He) SPECIFICALLY wants there to be no proof. He SPECIFICALLY wants us not to use our brains for actually thinking with, but to accept fairy tales as reality "just because." Har! Now start on me. Please!
Posted by:Dan MortensonJanuary 2, 2008 2:46:49 PMRespond ^
Vincent, get your head out of your butt. Only one person is responsible for the war in Iraq; George Bush. He followed the neocons who had been looking for an excuse to wage war there for years. His administration cherry picked the intelligence, and lied about the rest (aluminum tubes, uranium etc) They ignored the advice of the Atomic Energy agency, the weapons inspectors and our allies. Typical for you to be still talking about Clinton.
Posted by:Duschebag elephantJanuary 2, 2008 2:48:02 PMRespond ^
Made me think.
Posted by:krakalakaJanuary 2, 2008 5:56:22 PMRespond ^
What happened to Z-Net?
Posted by:BennettJanuary 2, 2008 6:08:41 PMRespond ^
I take swimmerboy's comments as a challenge, but not as offensive. My response to his comments is 'so what'? For the sake of arguement let's assume he's correct and the 'vast majority' of money and relief from the LDS Church in disasters goes to Mormons, so what? When did self sufficiency in groups, religious or otherwise, cease to be a positive?
Posted by:RipsnorterJanuary 3, 2008 12:16:30 AMRespond ^
Vincent, Way to wake this blog up!
Posted by:Ames TiedemanJanuary 3, 2008 5:05:05 AMRespond ^
Yes, the LDS are wonderful at helping their own. But if you want to see impressive general disaster relief check out the Mennonites!
Posted by:Carl PetersJanuary 3, 2008 8:47:21 AMRespond ^
Whoa, this started out on the subject of Mormonism and ends up with bashing of the Democrats by right wing extremists.I am a Humanist and could never accept the blather about Joe Smith's discovery on a mountain in upper New York state, not can I accept the mythology of the Bible. I will make a few positive statements about the Mormons. Here in FL, in Osceola County, they own a working cattle ranch of over 300,000. acres. The VOLUNTARILY put it on the tax rolls of the County, realizing that if they did otherwise they would deprive the largely agricultural county (before DisneyWorld was built next door) of needed revenue and throw the tax rolls out of kilter. I have a mental picture of Baptists, Catholics et al, making such a voluntary move. Revenues from their ranch help feed their built-in welfare system. A member (emphasis on "Member," one who tithes and pledges to their idea of a good lifestyle) will never go on public welfare. All of you who get so worked up should go and pray for the souls of the Mormons (and, possibly, the non-theists)or ask you doctor for a Valium Rx. Where is the public outcry over the fact that the Bushies pressured the TV networks to list just the Red Cross and Rev. Pat Robertson's charity (he who owns a diamond mine in Africa to milk when he is not milking his gullible Assembly of God parishioners).
Posted by:Ray V.January 3, 2008 8:53:45 AMRespond ^
There are many things about the LDS faith that can be criticized, but this article correctly points out one of the Mormons very admirable traits. I am the HIV/AIDS lobbyist for the state of Utah, as well as an HIV positive out gay man. Believe me when I say there are times I have very much wanted to slam the Mormons that control this bizarre little state. That said they really do walk the walk where helping those in need is concerned, no matter where those people are or what those people believe. It is only fair to give credit where credit is due.
Posted by:stuart merrillJanuary 3, 2008 9:06:27 AMRespond ^
The LDS church may have a history of sound emergency preparedness, & I'm sure our government could learn a thing or 2 from them; however, Romney, the Stepford presidential candidate, in the Oval Office is a scary thought. He is an extremist religious nutcase who says whatever is necessary to win in whichever state in which he's running for office He has no true convictions of any kind other than government control of "morality" as he sees it. He is a dangerous man, & I sincerely hope he & Huckabee (who is even worse) are soundly defeated in their efforts.
Posted by:StuartJanuary 3, 2008 12:31:23 PMRespond ^
Stuart: Romney is not a religious nutcase. You a liberal going to far. He is middle of the road. He was elected Governor in Mass. He is not a nutcase. Wake up fool.
Posted by:Ames TiedemanJanuary 4, 2008 3:26:54 AMRespond ^
By calling him a fool you are doing the same thing. The best way to stop this liberal vs conservative fighting is to simply stop insulting eachother
Posted by:lolJanuary 4, 2008 9:30:08 AMRespond ^
We help all comers, member and non-member alike, aetheists and yes humanist and secular progressives. And we do take care of our own, including those who may not be active or attending Church. I am included amongst those who make it a regualr practice to visit with all our members and help in anyway we can. Its sad to see so many who put down this organization that doesn't and denigrate or slap at the hand that tries to feed them. For the doubters among you, next time you get involved in a disaster, climb down of your high horse and see what we can do for you. Oh, by the way, we expect nothing in return, nope, not even thanks or respect. Thats just the way it is, and the Lord wouldn't want it any other way.
Posted by:CliftonJanuary 4, 2008 1:31:16 PMRespond ^
Yep, and hutterites, and other rekigious organizations as well.
Posted by:CliftonJanuary 4, 2008 1:33:10 PMRespond ^
Very funny man are you Andrew?
Posted by:CliftonJanuary 4, 2008 1:34:48 PMRespond ^
Ah swimmerboy, please tell me what money I am to follow and exactly to what Mormons, and please name the Community. It may come as a surprise to you, as far as communities are concerned we pay taxes too, even to the extent that money may be used by government provided welfare systems; that in addition to that provided by the Church
Posted by:CliftonJanuary 4, 2008 1:41:32 PMRespond ^
swimmerboy, "self serving" or "taking care of their own, first"? I would that everyone in America was possessed with a sharper degree of "taking care of their own, first" and then perhaps our economy would be in better shape and the "dollar not dieing" and America's future somewhat brighter. But, America, corporately, politically and culturally seems diametrically opposite to that envisioned and established by our Founders, to wit, independent and self reliant. P.S. I am not Mormon and therefore less biased IMHO here.
Posted by:ManassahJanuary 4, 2008 4:11:39 PMRespond ^
Stuart, reference your January 3, 2008 12:31:23 post. IMHO you have absolutely no idea about what you are accusing MR of. I am retired from the US Army and have served alongside of many and under the command of Mormons in the general officer ranks and I assure you that if these were an adequate example of Mormon character, integrity, probity, trustworthiness, able leadership, etcetera, then MR is over qualified to be our next president and if elected would be paid far less than he is worth. America, even as I write, is looming toward a dark and uncertain future and desperately needs a JFK figure of messianic or charismatic proportions at the helm if we are to avoid our darkest nightmares. I am not Mormon, so IMHO I am less biased herein.
Posted by:ManassahJanuary 4, 2008 4:26:49 PMRespond ^
lea, reference your December 30, 2007 2:06:22 PM post. "Secret Ceremonies"? May I humbly suggest that if you saw either or both of the "National Treasures" movies starring Nicolas Cage and Diane Kruger, et al, that you didn't learn anything nor I would also humbly suggest, do you understand what Jesus meant when he reportedly cautioned, "Cast not your pearls to swine." Allegories are actually a lot of fun if you take time to understand them and they are full of terrific life and meaning. Sort of like good port, peanuts and poetry, if you know what I mean. Salute!
Posted by:ManassahJanuary 4, 2008 4:42:33 PMRespond ^
ceejay Try http://www.blacklds.org and http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/homepage.html. http://www.ldsgenesisgroup.org/ is good too as is the Encyclopedia of Mormonism at http://www.lib.byu.edu/Macmillan/
Posted by:JLFullerJanuary 4, 2008 5:18:20 PMRespond ^
This is a great article, but I'm always disturbed by the religious bigotry that still exists in this nation. I'm LDS but grew up my whole life in Oklahoma. I've seen good mormons just as I've seen good Baptists and Methodists. We may believe differently but all of our beliefs are based on FAITH (not proof as so many anti mormons want), so why do Mormons catch so much crap? You can't Prove any religion correct. And we can find fault in any religion. Let's set the record straight on a few things. The idea that Mormons treat women as second class is crap. The rest of the world decided that motherhood was inferior, no mormons think that. Second about not being allowed into temples. They are SACRED. I know anit mormons will tell all sorts of scary lies about them but sacred is the bottom line. As a non Muslim I don't expect to be allowed into Mecca to take tourist photos. I certainly wouldn't ask the Pope to let me barge in on his meetings with his fellow clergymen. So please respect the privacy of all peoples religious beliefs. And this isn't some new rule. Who was allowed in the temple in ancient Israel? It is not a crime to deny entry to sacred places to those who might mock or simply not understand them. Before each temple is opened there is an open house. All are welcome to take tours and guides will tell you what goes on there. Please be our guest! Bottom line LDS doctrine teaches many good and respectable principles that can be appreciated by all. Focus on those a little more than what you don't like, and we'll gladly return the favor. Thanks especially to all those non LDS people out there who have been kind and understanding to me and my faith.
Posted by:BenJanuary 4, 2008 9:01:16 PMRespond ^
The Mormons are not as harmless as they pretend. What about the Mountain Meadows massacre?
Posted by:FromEUJanuary 5, 2008 8:54:19 AMRespond ^
Ben: It is true that you cannot prove any religion correct but Mormonism is probably the only religion that you can prove is a HOAX. The problem is that mormons think that any criticism is directed towards themselves and their families. This is isn't about the people, it's about this crazy cult that they are supporting. Often it is the most moral & caring people that get sucked into such religious mumbo jumbo.
Posted by:FromEUJanuary 5, 2008 9:12:14 AMRespond ^
I no longer practice Mormonism, but I've been following the Mormon references in the news and the coverage of Romney's faith is interesting, but I have one question: Why don't journalists ever mention the fact that the highest ranking Democrat in the nation is Mormon? I'd love to see a story about how "give 'em hell" Harry Reed balances his faith and politics. I'd expect nothing less of Mother Jones.
Posted by:joeferalJanuary 5, 2008 4:14:47 PMRespond ^
We've witnessed much hysteria lately over Romney's candidacy and his religious convictions in particular. All the same, we need not fear Mormons. They pose no threat to society. Like the rest of us, many of them exercise the same civic responsibilities. However outlandish their set of beliefs may be (actually, like all religion), in practice their faith doesn't prevent them from being good citizens. Indeed, I agree with thesis of the article that Mormons espouse ethics that are as traditionally American as apple pie. I mean self-reliance, giving back to the community, family values, and assisting people in need, among other things. They are, all things considered, not any worse or better than anyone else. The LDS church is not a secret society covertly trying to take over the US government--all conspiracy theories have a fundamental flaw--and publicly this would be impossible in a democracy that separates church and state. In fact, Mormons are taught to abide by the "law of the land." I remember seeing LDS-sponsored public service messages on television about the importance of helping others, or doing someone else a favor. One spot was about a boy who went to his room to shine his brother's shoes so that he would look more presentable at his appointment, or make it there on time. What could be more social than promoting acts of kindness? Kindness is universal; it's not specific to any religion, and we'd all be better off if more people practiced it. Deeds are what matters in the end, not dogma. The Mormons I used to work with were outstanding and dedicated employees. I never encountered a Mormon who cheated the clock, malingered, or pulled a sickie on you when you needed him the most. I can't recall one proselytizing on the job either. I've never heard of a Mormon who blew himself up and others around him in the name of God. I've found some Mormons to be partial to their own kind as regards openness and creating social bonds, but my point isn't about making friends with them; it's about finding common ground as citizens and putting our differences aside, regardless of one's creed. Without mutual respect among individuals, a society can't function optimally. Ignorance about Mormons, like ignorance about anyone else, breeds prejudice and fear. Sadly, our history is filled with wars of catastrophic proportions, genocide, lynching, killings, and other injustices. Tragedy is the outcome when these sentiments are acted out by the masses or made into an institution. We need to lighten up and give Romney fair consideration. There's simply too much talk about religion in the run-up to electing a president. Why do we need to know where a candidate stands on religion, or what his faith is? Are we afraid that our nation might incur the wrath of God if our president doesn't get his theology right? Let's keep religion out of government and vice versa.
Posted by:Guilelmus InfidelisJanuary 6, 2008 6:36:51 AMRespond ^
The Book of Mormon does not place the Gardn of Eden in Missouri. The source is elsewhere.
Posted by:dPorterJanuary 6, 2008 10:41:15 AMRespond ^
mixing politics and religion is not a good option. Religious believes should be kept away when dealing with politics. There are other religious groups who deal with desasters. Most religious leaders keep away from politics, at least those who understand the word clearly.
Posted by:Dr.QJanuary 6, 2008 12:25:54 PMRespond ^
The Mormons are wonderful in a crunch. I was raised with Mormons, day to day they are a little difficult to take. I won't vote for Mitt or any other "christian" that has a world view of "end days", Baptist, Mormon or Catholic. This is not a good attitude for a President to have, look at Bush......
Posted by:ChrisJanuary 7, 2008 3:28:26 PMRespond ^
Agggghhjhhjj! Sorry, I think I just coughed up a hairball.
Posted by:ChrisJanuary 7, 2008 3:31:56 PMRespond ^
Much of my mothers family is LDS, and much of this story is misleading. The point of Mormon stockpiling is the Apocolypse. Decentralized placement of shelters is a fairly recent phenomenon; as membership grows and diversifies amongst the population at large, as well as within different sects of the Mormon church itself, internal consensus seems to favor the idea of the Apocalypse appearing much in a much quicker and unheralded manner. Most feuding parties within the LDS agree that, differences aside, the only soul worth saving is a Mormon soul. A constant enticement to get me and my brothers to join the "church", was the "list". Not only did temples maintain a month's supplies of necessities-or more likely, 3 months-they maintained an up to date list of deaths, births, etc., of the congregation, to be able to update current inventory, i.e., diapers, baby formula. In some cases, the "list" clipboard was supported by a 12ga. shotgun, hanging side by side. Anyone not on the list was absolutely not allowed into the shelter, the consequence being that all souls present would not be re-accepted into the newly cleansed earth. Mixed religion spouses and family members included. When I asked why, at one location (a converted Civil Air Defense Shelter), a Mini-14 .30cal automatic rifle was present, rather than a defensive weapon like a close range shotgun, the answer was "Just in case; people in this neighborhood know what's down here..." What you may have witnessed in and around SLC during natural disasters -and places such as New Orleans- may have been just as much about preservation of physical infrastructure and P.R., as much as charity. If W and the evangelicals take on the end times seem creepy and ominous, then a Romney/LDS spin would shame and awe even the "Left Behind" crowd. Trucks sent to disaster areas probably won't be filled with bottled water. Troops and Kool-Aid, anyone?
Posted by:ChristopherJanuary 7, 2008 3:46:57 PMRespond ^
It seems like many people judge mormons by their seemingly flawless appearence. This is a grave mistake. Yes, they always act so polite, yes they always wear a tie but try and read some of their books(their website is just a facade). You will be in for an unpleasant surprise. For instance, they believe that dark skin is the mark of Cain?!? Relief my _ss! You should know *everything* about a persons beliefs before you elect him, especially when he's a suspected cult member.
Posted by:FromEUJanuary 7, 2008 6:15:02 PMRespond ^
I got a ride with a Mormon woman with children once. But I was a 16 year old girl and the time was 1968. I think she was really terrified of me being near her children, that I might act out or hurt them. She was definitely trying to help a young girl on the streets.
Posted by:Jackie AldridgeJanuary 8, 2008 3:20:39 AMRespond ^
The hitchhiker story was a response to a guy who said he never got a ride from Mormons. My grandmother converted as a middleaged woman. People in my family have a tendency to change their religion. Almost every Mormon I've met has been a decent person. A couple have been a overly self satisfied. I had a boss once who couldn't get it through his head that his emphasis on Christmas and neglect of Hannukah, Kwanza, and other holidays in office functions was unacceptable in a diverse society. I think there are lots of good teachings in LDS. Especially as regards self sufficiency and disaster preparedness. I'm a democrat, but of the Republican, Mitt looks better than most.
Posted by:Jackie AldridgeJanuary 8, 2008 3:33:05 AMRespond ^
Maybe Mitt isn't touting his Mormonism because he knows the American people won't buy into a cult that teaches men that they are gods, oppresses women (or rather, baby machines), lets blacks into the church but believes they are going to hell regardless of their faith, and in general brainwashes every member of the church who doesn't have the stones to leave. Just because Mormons are capable of good doesn't mean they aren't capable of evil.
Posted by:incredulousJanuary 9, 2008 2:44:49 PMRespond ^
Maybe Mitt isn't touting his religion because his religion teaches that politics are a personal choice; that each individual has a responsibility to vote and to serve his or her community, but that the LDS church neither supports nor denies support to any candidate or party. As each election period rolls around, a letter is read from every LDS pulpit reminding us of our responsibility to respect each person and party; In addition, it reinforces that our buildings are not to be used for political rallies or house meetings (whether the politician is LDS or not) though they are used sometimes as polling places. I must say, I appreciate those of you who have spoken with tolerance about our right to choose what to believe in, and the kindness with which many of you have spoken of your experiences with members of my faith. We are none of us perfect, and in my faith, as in all faiths, you will find good and bad people. Unfortunately, there is much ignorance and misinformation abounding, many of these responses are evidence of that. Personally, I have never understood all the commotion. This is a nation based on individual freedoms and freedom of religion is one of the most basic beliefs of the founding Fathers. It is not necessary to believe someone else’s creed to show respect for that person's right to believe. Each Christian religion has similarities and differences; each world religion has knowledge and value. It has been suggested that Mormons are ignorant to believe something that others do not believe; rather, ignorance is exactly what it takes to belittle someone for being different from you or believing differently than you. As for ignorance, it is my experience that LDS people, as a whole, value education very highly. I have a degree (submissive woman that I am, lol) as do many of my friends, many of them higher degrees than I do. I am LDS or a Mormon as you might say. I may or may not vote for Mr. Romney; right now, he is not at the top of my list. Still, if I do, it will be because I decide he is the best person for the job (or this year maybe just not the worst). It will not be because of his religion anymore than I will decide not to vote for Obama based on a religion he claimed in the past. Our country is in too much trouble to struggle over things that have no bearing on the world my children will inherit; I will make this choice with them in mind.
Posted by:EveJanuary 12, 2008 4:44:40 PMRespond ^
Being baptized as a proxy for a deceased person is not'baptizing dead people', so you need to correct such error.
Posted by:Larry WJanuary 12, 2008 7:57:42 PMRespond ^
So how many of you would vote for a candidate who is a firm believer in the Star Wars Religion? None I guess... but what's the difference between this and Mormonism?
Posted by:FromEUJanuary 15, 2008 11:20:31 PMRespond ^
As with all religions there are righteous and non-righteous people; therefore, you should not blame some people, who are LDS, for doing things unjustly or cruel. A religion is defined by faith in whatever it is you believe in. No one person of the same religion truelly believes the exact same thing. As for the book of Mormon you must ask yourself why can't it be true? We take the bible for grantite when the bible has actaully been manhandled and was slightly rewritten by one of King James' secretary. Yet you do not question having faith in the bible. So before critizing and saying ignorant comments fully understand (you do not have to like) what it is you are commenting on. Have an open mind and not a closed one. You will see things which were once hidden from you.
Posted by:SkipJanuary 18, 2008 11:29:16 AMRespond ^
No one knows how Mormon resources are spent, or how many millions of dollars are given away. This 100% NOT VERIFIABLE. REgardless of what church leaders say from the pulpit during conference, the Mormon church is unique among contemporary American Religions in it's total lack of transparancy and local accountability with the way it spends and distributeds funds. Even fundraising in the Catholic church is arguably more like a small biz structure where local cathedrals have to raise a lot of their own money. The MOrmon Church is set up like a big franchise--mormons are REQUIRED to pay 10% of their income to the church, and there is a lot of pressure and even consequences (spiritual, eternal, social and immediate) for those that are late or unwilling. People at the top decide how money is spent at the local level, and much of the tithing income is sent right to the top. In a system so vulnerable to abuses (given that religions don't have the same obligations to report their finances to the federal government that other corporations have), you would think the members would enforce some kind of internal transparancy. In other large religions this problem is addressed through the democratic election of top religious leaders, and audits which are performed (with information distributed). In the mormon church leaders are "called by god." Even if local members choose not to sustain a leader (which never happens), no one listens. Leaders offer a vague overview of all the great things Mormons are doing for the world with their tithing dollars twice a year during conference, and the millions and millions of dollars spent on charity are broadcast on TV and the radio. NOne of this is verifiable. The church does not release any kind of information that could be used to back this up. No outside parties are checking up on things. For all we know the Mormon church could own a chain of strip clubs in Vegas and a sweat shop in the South China Sea. What is more likely is that money is indirectly supporting conservative causes and institutions--agricultral land is bought and sprayed with toxins, anti-homosexual campaigns are supported with "volunteers" that get room and board covered, donations to international relief efforts are stipulated or used to forward certain political bends in subtle ways. These are the questions I asked as a Mormon--my mother's resonse was always to turn to faith. She had a testimony that the leaders of the church spoke for god, and that god wouldn't let them do anything as bad as embezzlement (there is a scripture that says God will take the life of a leader if he began to lead the people astray).
Posted by:This article missed a lotJanuary 18, 2008 12:50:33 PMRespond ^
I notice that a critical overview of the churches finances are not included in this article. It's very hard to know how many resources actually go into emergency prepardness because the church doesn't release detailed information. I live in a house with other ex-mormons, and we all had the same concerns before we left the church.
Posted by:look deeperJanuary 18, 2008 12:54:23 PMRespond ^
I'm not anymore. My family stopped speaking to me when I left. I didn't get any help with college (although this is common--a lot of Mormons don't believe in paying for school, or can't afford it with such big families). You are really viewed as on your own as soon as you are 19, 20, 21--this is the age people start getting married and having babbies. Some Mormons think you should wait for a few years more, but even then you are looking at four kids by the time you are 27. My parents are a good example--they would stop to help stranded people on the highway when their car broke down, take x-cons to church, donate to the local homeless shelter. When it comes to having a real relationship with a non-mormon child, they dropped the ball. They don't even call me on Christmas and they say very hatful things about me. Ironically I never drank, wasn't promiscuous, etc. I did read feminist literature and take gender studies classes. I found that when it comes to baking bread to feed the hungry, mormons are great. When it comes to understanding complex social systems that cause larger econimic problems, homelessness, etc (or environmental problems that lead to natural dissasters--erroding beaches, global warming, deforestation of flood-protection zones, etc), Mormons aren't very good at this. They can feel charity for the poor children in Jordan and organize a mass clothes making day for the little ones, but when it comes to understanding their own children and having relationships with complex people, they fail. And what is really the cause of global catastrophes--we can keep baking bread to feed those we bomb, but if we could understand capitalism and the way it impacts the third world, would have a different persective of 911 and the reason for the war itself?
Posted by:i was raised mormonJanuary 18, 2008 1:06:44 PMRespond ^
I am currious to know what you find to be misinformation on the resposne list?
Posted by:what are the errors hereJanuary 18, 2008 1:10:44 PMRespond ^
I'm old enough to remember JFK's election and people were trembling about his religion then, like there would be a hotline from the Oval Office to the Vatican and our President would get marching orders from the Pope. Didn't happen. I am an ex Mormon (aka 'apostate') yet when I and my kids were hungry, a Bishop helped us. When I was a female member, I was able to give sermons, benedictions, and invocations, and also teach adult sunday school class (including priesthood holders and visiting dignitaries) on matters of history and doctrine. In many mainstream Christian denominations, women can't do that. The idea that we lucky ones would end up in a celestial harem just having babies was insulting - we weren't like that here on the earth. I know it's more fun to believe in the Mormon menace than to get at the subtleties and nuances of the truth, but in fact there are good and bad Mormons and no reason to fear a Mormon president so long as he is a good person. If he's not, who cares what religion he is?
Posted by:BarbJanuary 20, 2008 1:25:47 PMRespond ^
It's mainly women organizing these relief efforts, at least at the local level. The men just play basketball and and young men do a lot of sporting activities and scouting projects (which are not as service oriented as the young women's program). In response to the last post: I have never seen a ward that allows women to teach (or attend) priesthood, pass the sacrament, hold positions of authority within the ward (unless it is over women and children, or lower-level positions that handle coordination of family matters). There are fewer callings for women, and while women can pray in sacrament meeting they can't give blessings or do a lot of other things. It's usually the man who decides who is going to say the prayer at dinner, and it's men doing the calling (unless it's the relief society president, and then she has to go through the bishop). I know mormons all say that it's not about who is on top--it's how you help and contribute. This is all fine and good in theory, but it doesn't change the fact that there are systematic forces in place that exclude certain people on the basis of their gender. Women do not have the same opportunities for leadership and development that men have--and even if this isn't what it's all about (and doesn't matter in the "eternal" scheme of things) it has political and economic repercussions that impact women in the job market, and generally stifle female voices. In every other Christian religion (in America, at least right now) women have more authority. Even in the Catholic Church it's common to see alter girls. In evangelical Christian groups women can start their own ministries even if they aren't married. In the other big religions--Episcopalian, Presbyterian etc women hold high levels of leadership and have moved into the kinds of positions men have traditionally held. I'm glad your bishop helped you, but mine never did. He was actually aggressive, sexist, gun loving and mean. He scared the hell out of me. I think his kids are all in Iraq, and I'm sure they feel justified in killing all the terrorists. God help America--save us from the MOrmons.
Posted by:anonJanuary 23, 2008 9:15:23 PMRespond ^
Im a former Mormon. If you want the real goods on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.....Here it is.......The Spalding Enigma. Long story short....the book of morman was written by a man named spalding. Joseph smith's buddy stole the book and they rewrote it with a religious spin. Its really true folks. Funny thing is 95% of mormans have never heard of Mr. Spalding.
Posted by:Marvin BallardJanuary 24, 2008 2:34:31 AMRespond ^
I live in a small town in eastern arizona. The local lds church will help residents with bills and food if needed. If a member needs a job the bishop will say at the end of services, "Brother so and so needs job can some one help him out" and on his way out of church he will get several job offers.
Posted by:DaisyJanuary 24, 2008 9:25:41 AMRespond ^
Chabuka...if you lived around the Mormons then you should know that they definitely take care of their own so that your tax dollars can go straight to the U.S. welfare recipients, not Mormons. Gee, you're not very grateful. And they pay 10% tithing, not 15%, but then you know everything about them, don't you? I am a Mormon and live in Florida and I am so proud to have found this religion. Do you fear us? Is this why you and some others on this forum have disparinging remarks? People fear what they don't understand. And for those of you that want to twist our doctrine around to make it sound like you want it to, God help you...especially if you're wrong. Mitt, I'm so proud of the humble job you are doing. Our church does not endorse political candidates, and Mitt is wise to separate church and state. Go President Mitt Romney!!!!!
Posted by:Barbara NaifJanuary 24, 2008 5:54:58 PMRespond ^
-->Barbara Naif Please, tell me what is the doctrine that is being distorted? Mormonism is a HOAX.
Posted by:FromEUJanuary 26, 2008 1:48:15 AMRespond ^
so much for having any clue about the culture you lived with. Even the basics. We give 10% of our pay, and gladly. As Jesus said, will you rob me? Maybe you should read the Bible about tithes, keeping the Sabbath day holy, etc. We try very hard to live the teachings of Jesus Christ. To love thy neighbor as thyself, if you love Me, keep My commandments. Neighbors are not just those next door. They are all our brothers and sisters worldwide. No matter what color, religion, etc. We are all our brother's keeper according to Jesus. It's too bad you didn't take the time to find out the truth of the church and it's teachings, which are the teachings of Jesus Christ, our cornerstone. The basis of our religion. Don't go by what others tell you that don't have a clue, find out for yourself and ask God if it's true. After all, He is the author of truth.
Posted by:SharonJanuary 28, 2008 8:02:39 AMRespond ^
Where's the Ark of the Covenant?
Posted by:sharonJanuary 28, 2008 8:11:22 AMRespond ^
What about the extermination order against mormons, towns being raided and people being tarred and feathered. The list goes on. These people didn't deserve it any more than Mountain Meadows, but by the time that happened the people had been killed, burned out of their homes, tarred and feathered, chased from state to state. No one seems to want to remember that. Mountain Meadows was one incident in our history that everyone wants to use against the mormons. Did you notice that mormons do not use the atrocities that others did to them, against them? All those things are in the past and should stay there. There have been many attrocities done by other religions as well. Why are only mormons attacked, and so viciously, even today? Religion has no bearing on a presidential candidacy. We need to keep it that way.
Posted by:sharonJanuary 28, 2008 8:31:00 AMRespond ^
Ha-Ha-Haaaaa! That was funny! Completely wrong, but funny! Did you ever think of becoming a novelist?
Posted by:SharonJanuary 28, 2008 8:45:32 AMRespond ^
You obviously have no idea of how the mormon church treated black black people. Search a little around and you will see that black people for many years was treated as the "children of Cain" (and the ideology still stands). Only recently did they allow blacks to become priests. And try asking your Mormon superiours about the Kolob star where God eternally copulates LOL There are obviously many things that you don't know, probably because their homepage publicly denies it (but inside the church they believe it of course).
Posted by:FromEUJanuary 29, 2008 3:02:09 AMRespond ^

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