Socialized America

Socialism is only ok when it's for Medicare, the police force, the military....

Thu September 10, 2009 12:31 PM PST

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Mark Fiore is an editorial cartoonist and animator whose work has appeared in the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Examiner, and dozens of other publications. He is an active member of the American Association of Editorial Cartoonists, and has a web site featuring his work.


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Your statement poses an

Your statement poses an interesting question one that invites yet another question: what is the proper function of government. For some the answer to that question is simple: to protect our basic fundamental rights to life, liberty and property. Hence the obvious need for police, firefighters, the military and the courts. For others the proper role for government is more far reaching to include such matters as needs and wants, including food, shelter, clothing, healthcare, etc... For those who embrace the former, there is a genuine belief that the two conflict. Inevitably a government seeking to mandate such needs and wants must deprive its citizens of their ability to choose thus eroding heir liberty while also depriving citizens their right to property. Considering it is our labor and energies being expended, it is also our livelihoods and lives which are being restricted, thus assaulting each of our basic fundamental and inalienable rights, and for what, so that a government monopoly with a poor track record of managing the affairs and resources of its people can have yet another opportunity at mismanagement fraud and out right theft?

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Life, liberty and property??

In the U.S. Declaration of Independence, it's not "life, liberty and property." It's "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness." In any case, I find it odd that property should be put ahead of health. Why? I'd rather put good health ahead of property and make property a common property rather than individual property.

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The role of government....

The belief in limited government is a Heinleinesque fantasy. Government, with all the flaws inherent in any large enterprise, if run on a reasonably rational and fair basis, which the U.S. government, on average is, acts as an ameliorating authority, force, entity against the "Golden Rule", those who have the most gold make the rules. We drink clean water, breathe clean air, drive on well-maintained roads, are (generally) safe on our streets, are, again generally, well-educated, eat food that, with a little discretion, is safe and nutritious, can earn a living, worship as we please, etc. ad infinitum, all on the government/taxpayer dime, and government is a failure? I would not live in a Republican world. Nor, I suspect, would the anonymous poster, nor would anyone else capable of independent thought.

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socialism

socialism is not a dirty word. if your congressperson tells you that canadians hate
their healthcare system you should respond with that now infamous two word ob-
scenity "you lie"

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So...I actually don't like

So...I actually don't like the "socialized" police force, or military, terribly much (disclosure: I'm the happy son of three USAF vets). Through such entities, the government does monopolize the use of force, which ultimately means that they can push around those they want--competing nation-states, Third World villagers, or potentially the US populace if we ever get too "uppity"/revolutionary.

Monopolies generally aren't that great idea, and frequently result in decreased efficiency, affordability, quality, and accountability. Again, just look at the actual state of our "socialized" police, military, schools, roads, etc...perhaps it'd be best if many of these were provided by competing private companies, nonprofits, and/or local voluntary community ownership, participation, and control (as opposed to nonvoluntary, forcibly tax-funded, increasingly federalized government bureacracies).

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Regarding this discussion

First of all, Anonymous, I would like to thank you for bringing this up. Both you and those arguing with you have helped me try and look at the big picture. It seems to boil down to just how much control the government can have. We have seen the failures that were Russian and Chinese communism (where the government had absolute control of everything), but they have had a big problem with corruption down there as I have witnessed firsthand. Your latest argument has been how dangerous a monopoly can be for service quality. The only thing is, you seem to be holding the government to the same standard as a company. It is commonly accepted that the ultimate goal of the government is to serve its country. Meanwhile, the commonly accepted goal of a company is to make a profit. Indeed, companies do try to show the world that they are caring and idealistic, but that still serves to increase revenues. I agree that if the wrong person ends up in the government, then too much power could lead to trouble, but I still feel that the odds of that are much slimmer than they would be with a business-oriented monopoly. Also, because of the balance of powers, all three branches of our government would have to mutually harbor greedy intentions to suffer the same fate as business monopolies. Furthermore, early in his presidency, Obama took steps to ensure there were dissenters involved in the decision-making process, thus avoiding the hive-mind most monopolies would suffer from. The bottom line is, as a body of individual minds, the government is not very prone to the behaviors exibited in a monopolistic company.

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Finally! A political cartoon

Finally! A political cartoon that makes actual sense!

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THEIIVING MARTIAL ARTISTS

This is the last time that I am going to tell you both this.

KAYTO ONO AND JET LI.

Neither of your families are worth anyhting never have been and never will be.

Firstly Mr Ono you will stop selling heroin and disguising the money through your daughter beauty salon (sharon Lee eyebrow expert).

Secondly Mr Li - The mere fact that the line you spoke in rogue Assassin "I should have left the mother and daughter alone" should be enough for you to teach your spiteful daughter and your even more spiteful son to STAY AWAY FROM ME.

You know who I am Mr Ono and so do you Mr Li.

I just thought that I would say thank you for sending the contract killer who disguises himself as a security guard "rent a cop" to make yet another pathetic attempt at ending my life.

NOW FOR THE LAST TIME.

MARTIAL ARTS IS NOT FOR TELEVISION OR MOVIES.

If you have to be told again your whole famile will be executed the day they are born.

The woman that you hired to spy on her told the truth in the courtroom so you may wish to find yourself some more "loyal" adversaries and aquaintences.

NOW FOR THE LAST TIME. DO YOUR SHARE OF THE FARMING AND THE BUILDING OF HOUSES AND ROADS AND STOP ESCAPING REALITY.

There have been too many little children getting hurt from watching martial arts on the television.

IF you must continue the pathetic side of asian culture then do it privacy but remember this WHEN YOU TAKE UP VIOLENT ACTS YOU WILL CREATE A WEAKNESS IN YOUR OWN BODY.

Mr Ono has a paranoia about metal and Mr Li has one about wood.

THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE THEY BOTH KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE VERY INSTRUMENTS THAT WILL BE USED TO END THEIR OWN LIVES.

PEOPLE CREATE THEIR OWN METHODS OF DEATH BY THE ACTIONS AND THE WORDS THAT THEY USE DURING THEIR LIFETIMES.

I have no interest in meeting or helping either of you "Dont be immature about it ".

Were you talking about yourself ??????

Mr Ono's family live in a property that they stole from another family.

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PIMPY GOOKS

Now lets also talk about the stupid Thai bitch that keeps putting innocent people in Prison "Nat" Traditional; Thai Massage mother. She walks around with a red bandanna on her head.

ARREST HER MR CHAN AND STOP BEING A DICKHEAD.

You are here to solve a problem not FUCK you wife in someone elses house. Oh and you have no right to teach Mr Jones martial arts. Your family was kicked out for a reason.

Martial arts is taught in Asia not Australia. Oh and the Blonde woman that YOU ALL KEEP KIDNAPPING SHE DOESNT BELONG THERE. (I shouldnt talk about myself like that should I ).

I am getting sick of you all interfering in my life.

THERE IS A REASON WHY THINGS KEEP GOING WRONG.

Every time that you interfere you mess it up for someone else.

"I'll take it away" SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND ACCEPT THAT SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO LISTEN TO LOUD MUSIC. IT BREAKS THE SILENCE.

OH AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY HER DRIVERS LICENSE OR HER CAR.

Sean is my son and I told him to stop her from getting a job. I have been telling the people of my family that she is a prostitute I am really trying to hide the fact that my wife and I were going to molest her when she was a baby. We also tried to have her committed to a mental institution. WE KNEW THE WHOLE TOME THAT SHE WAS A MEDIUM. We took her to Kayman Island and used her in Mortal Combat.

SHE NEVER GAVE US PERMISSION TO BE USED IN ANY MOVIES.

We dont want her to have the business back because we almost sent her bankrupt by spending the company money like it was our familes personal bank account.

OIH DICKHEAD DRAW A WAGE.

YOU ARE AN EMBARRESMENT TO OUR FAMILY. What ever you spiteful old cunt.

THE MAN THAT I AM TALKING IS IN PRISON FOR TWENTY YEARS WITH OTHER CHARGES STILL TO FOLLOW.

Nobody has the right to whore another persons child untill they are eighteen years old. WHORE YOURSELF NOW SOMEONE ELSE YOU OLD PERVERT. (It was his wifes idea to do it to her).

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left vs. right

"Our" government is no longer ours. All of the major players are owned and sponsored by corporations who write the laws that congress votes on. Democrats and Republicans alike no longer work for the people, that includes presidents. People criticize George Bush, who got us into two wars, I was one of them. But they don't criticize Obama for continuing them when he said he would get us out, let alone getting us into another one with Iran. While he is also eroding our freedoms just as fast as George Bush. PATRIOT ACT anyone! Bottom line it is about freedom vs tyranny not left vs right. Lets investigate the Private Federal Reserve Bank who has been sucking the american people dry since 1913. Private financiers have been funding both sides of every major war since Napolean. Wake up and embrace freedom!

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When a mess has been created

When a mess has been created by the two Bush's, you can't just say we'll pull out immediately. That will make an even bigger mess! Because Americans have now created the mess that is Iraq and Afghanistan, they too also have to now pay the responsibility of bringing it to good governance and peace. You can't just pull out like that now at this point. It's irresponsible.

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lolzzzz fantastic

lolzzzz fantastic animation!! great work :)

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We already have a form of

We already have a form of socialized medicine in practice in America. Those of you that have evr been to, or been treated at a VA hospital should know what to expect when looking forward to the type of healthcare the government will provide.

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