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Andrew Sullivan Took the Words Out of My Mouth

I've been reading all the chest-beating about Obama's perfidy in not releasing the torture photos and wondering why I seemed so alone. Sullivan was one of his harshest critics.

At first blush, and certainly after Obama's stance on trying the Bush admin torturemeisters, it seemed insupportable that the photos not be released. But the more I read, the more I wondered: what good would it do? It's like showing a jury gory photos of a murder victim; it serves no purpose but to inflame and not very subtly signal to the jury to go crazy on the perp.

I'm with Obama in believing that releasing the photos would certainly heighten the danger for our troops. And, aside from re-proving that we had indeed become a nation of torturers, why should the world witness anymore of our brutality or more degradation of our victims? After the Abu Ghraib photos, what's to be learned? Yes, it would hold those responsible just that much more responsible, but if you don't believe the obvious by now, no more photos will help, while certainly making us just that much more hated around the world. Those of us who are not ashamed by now never will be and those of us who are don't need our prurient interests satiated. Admitting to ourselves and the world the heinous things we've done is all that decency requires. It would be irresponsible to publish the photos when nothing can be gained by doing so; humbly admitting their existence is enough, as long as they're retained for use by a Truth Commission. By no means should our torture policy's architects escape justice. There, Obama and I part company.

Sullivan, to his credit, has again admitted to a change of heart. Or, more precisely, that blogging often requires one to admit when they've been too hasty:

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The point of the photos is not to demonstrate more gore; it is to have a fresh opening to explain to Americans just how widespread this was, and also to remind them that this led to the deaths of scores. But against this important public interest, the president has another duty—to his soldiers in the line of fire. These soldiers deserve a chance to do their astonishingly difficult job without inflaming those who might be inspired to kill and attack them. I see no reason to suspect that Obama is not genuine about this question, and it's a fair factor to consider. More importantly, he has not said that suppressing the photos at this time means suppressing them for ever, and has not indicated that he will prevent justice being done. In fact, his statement said the opposite.

The pro-torture right will say this call is obvious. It isn't. It's very hard. When you have inherited a policy of war crimes, and you are still fighting a war, balancing accountability with responsibility is tough. I think, having made our point, we should cut the man some slack on this. What matters is holding those who destroyed America's moral standing responsible. That is a struggle for patriots to engage, a Truth Commission to study, and the attorney-general to pursue, while allowing the president to do his job as commander-in-chief.

So, yes, by all means, air the photos: but only in pursuit of the truth and in punishing those responsible. And 'hear hear' to Andrew for admitting when he's been too quick on the draw.

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The old inflame Muslims line

As far as inflaming Muslims, I think invading their countries and killing their people is doing a good enough job. Besides, if we were to apply the 'inflame Muslims' standard to everything, then a case could be made to not have shown the Abu Ghraib photos, or release the torture memos, or do any other of a hundred things that a civilized nation should responsibly do. It's not about the soldier's in the field, it's about the truth. The longer we hide the truth and play that move as being 'responsible' and 'accountable', the longer it is going to take for the United States to gain the ground it lost in the last 8 years around the world.

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What "old inflame Muslims line"?

Perhaps the poster was referring to something Sullivan said. I saw no reference in Dickerson's post to Muslims, inflamed or otherwise. Be that as it may, the critical point is whether we are hiding the truth. It seems to me that on a number of key questions the truth is getting out and eventually we will know how and why the system and leaders failed us. I do not see how publishing these pictures at this time would advance the process. I say that we should continue to release all memos, everything that shows the trail of policy and pushback, including the memos Cheney wants released. However, there is no need to cater to salacious appetites for visual stimulation.

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kind of low on the reading comprehension skills, Dick?

"I'm with Obama in believing that releasing the photos would certainly heighten the danger for our troops. "

Granted you have to infer Ms. Dickerson is referring to troops in countries that U.S.troops are currently illegally occupying, like Afghanistan and Iraq, but I think it's a pretty fair inference. The above quoted sentence is from the first line of the third paragraph, so either you just skimmed right over it, Dick, or you are kind of bad at reading between the lines.

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Did he leave you toothless, too?

"Andrew Sullivan Took the Words Out of My Mouth".
I assume you've felt around in your pie-hole since then Debra to make sure that he hadn't taken your teeth!

The upside of being toothless tho, as Barney Frank could tell you, is that A) It is easier to talk out of both sides of the mouth at once and B) It is so much less dangerous for your partner and the public to get pleasured by a toothless beast!

Now for the pertinent part....I'm with Bush in believing that releasing the photos would certainly heighten the danger for our troops. And the more I read, the more I wonder: what good would it do? It's like showing a jury gory photos of a murder victim; it serves no purpose but to inflame and not very subtly signal to the jury to go crazy on the perp!
Unless the perp is innocent of course, but then you didn't want to hear that!
You've seen the photos; you don't need a jury!

joeanybody

The Damage has been done - lets see the truth -

SHOW the truth
SHOW the picture
TROOPS HOME NOW
CLOSE GITMO
STOP TORTURE
ARREST BUSH & CHENEY

or
play hide n seek
word games, and spin the bottle
dont show-dont tell coverup

I want to see and hear everything that this crime family did
You want to hide stiff ...your just like them
This is criminal and the guilty should be held accountable
or keep playing ring around the rosey

SHOW the pictures now!
Prepare the courtrooms!

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Backtracking Obama

The photos need to be shown to whoever wishes to view them. Our supposed reason for going to war(s) has been to instill democracy. Any cover-up of the Abu-Graib travesty shows a lack of understanding of democracy, not to mention a lack of compassion and humanity and these countries will hold our government and hence our troops responsible. I feel the retaliation for not showing these pictures will be far worse than showing them. Why not poll the troops and see what they say? Must we always make decisions by those people who are not in the game?

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"It's like showing a jury

"It's like showing a jury gory photos of a murder victim; it serves no purpose but to inflame and not very subtly signal to the jury to go crazy on the perp."

But going "crazy on the perp[s]" - at least going so crazy as to prosecute them - is exactly what we need. And it's what Obama is trying to avoid. Too many of the spineless Democrats, who bowed in obeisance before King George XLIII, would go down as accessories to the war crimes.

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Apperance on Imus

I heard your comments on racism monday. I think you misread the protests as being against Obama as a person rather than as a symbol of the leap to yhe left of his and his parties policies. People feel that these policies are taking our country away from the people and centralising too much power and control to the government. Obama is the leader of his party, therefor he is the target of peoples discontent. Don't forget that Bush was caled a Nazi and many signs called for his death. I oppose Obama not because if his race but because of his policies. Many of my friends and neighbors feel the same.Yes there are pockets of racism, but much less than you stated
Bob Gilbert

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