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Van Jones and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Poison
For years I have refrained from writing about 9/11 conspiracy theory. But Van Jones' resignation as top green jobs adviser in the Obama administration has compelled me to pick up this battering ram once again. In my PoliticsDaily.com column, I've (partly) blamed 9/11 conspiracy theorists for the downfall of Jones. Not that he's not accountable for his own behavior, but the perpetuators of the 9/11 nonsense launched a virus in left circles, and Jones was not savvy enough to keep clear of it. As I huffed:
As far as I can tell, the only thing the so-called 9/11 Truth movement has accomplished is this: it's caused the Obama administration to lose its most prominent expert on green jobs. So well done, Truthers. Thanks to you, the federal government will now be spending about $80 billion on green economy initiatives without the guiding hand of one of the most knowledgeable experts in this field.
I went on:
I am, of course, referring to Van Jones, who resigned this weekend from his position as adviser to the head of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality. Jones, once a civil rights activist, in recent years has become a leader in the green jobs movement, and as an administration official he was given the task of making sure that billions of stimulus dollars flowing to jobs in enviro-friendly fields (say, wind power) were being deployed in an effective manner. But his (apparently) unpardonable sin was that he had signed a petition—"a "9/11 Truth Statement"—that suggested the Bush-Cheney administration either orchestrated or allowed the 9/11 attack to happen and that called for an investigation. He also had been part of an organizing committee for a 9/11 "truth" march. There were other actions dredged up by Jones' conservative antagonists, including conspiratorial rightwing Fox host Glenn Beck. (Beck was pursuing a vendetta; after Beck recently called Obama a "racist," a group that Jones had founded launched an advertising boycott of Beck's show.) Jones had once referred to Republicans as "assholes." But it was the 9/11 stuff that did him in.
In a way, I tried to prevent this from happening.
Years ago, when the 9/11 conspiracy theories were first emerging on the left, I wrote several pieces decrying them. (See here, here, and here.) My fear was that this unsound idea would infect the left and other quarters--discrediting anyone who got close to it. I even debunked a book promoting an unfounded 9/11 conspiracy theory that was published by Nation Books when I was Washington editor of The Nation magazine. (I tried to persuade the decision-makers of Nation Books that the book ought not even be published—and failed.)
The 9/11 conspiracy theory was just too tempting for many Bush critics. Van Jones says he was not fully aware of what he was signing when he put his John Hancock on that 9/11 petition. This might be true. But I can see how Jones and others on the left—without thinking too much—might have easily said, sure, sign my name to any call for any investigation of Bush and Cheney. And that sloppiness—if that's what it was—has cost him his job.
The 9/11 conspiracy—of which I have not written about in years—was always a load of bunk. You don't have to be an expert on skyscraper engineering or top-secret government communications to know that the two variants of the theory—the Bush White House orchestrated 9/11 so it could subsequently exploit the tragedy or the Bush White House knew the attack was coming and allowed it to occur so it could exploit the tragedy—make no sense.
Let's walk through some of the reasons the 9/11 theory is out of sync with reality.
From here on, I presented a tutorial that should persuade anyone that the 9/11 theory makes no sense. (Click here if you want to see it.) But I have learned from experience that people who believe this stuff are not open to persuasion. (Please do not send me emails, mail me manuscripts, invite me to debates, or post comments accusing me of being a CIA plant.)
What is sad is that Jones, a pioneer in the green jobs field, has left the administration because he could not steer clear of the 9/11 foolishness. He certainly gave potent ammunition to his enemies—especially rightwing Fox host Glenn Beck, who targeted Jones after a group Jones had founded launched an advertising boycott of Beck (after Beck had called President Obama a "racist"). But the country would have been better off if the White House had managed to find a way to stick with Jones.
At the end of this sad episode, we're left with a victorious Beck waving a scalp. (One prominent conservative tells me he is deeply upset by this, for the last thing he wants to see is Beck's credibility on the right enhanced.) And the circus will continue, with Beck now calling on his followers to dig up dirt on other Obama administration officials, and MSNBC's Keith Olbermann urging his audience to dig up dirt on Beck and Roger Ailes, the head of Fox. As for the real world, the administration will now pour tens of billions of dollars into green jobs without the benefit of Jones' widely acknowledged expertise. As I put it elsewhere, "Jones is responsible for his own actions, but the 9/11 Truthers are also responsible for concocting and spreading the poison that he drank."
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I don't blame Jones . . .
. . . because I see no dishonor in signing what he (and others, according to Politico) thought was a call for a investigation, not a full-blown conspiracy manifesto. It's ludicrous that such a thing can be used as a pretext to force someone from office.
But Jones is also not to blame because the real culprits are the opportunistic dirtbags like Beck and some politicians who took a completely hypocritical stance upon an illusory moral high ground to leverage Jones out. I also blame the weak-kneed Obama administration for not sticking to their appointee, something they already have a history of doing (a habit exacerbated by their apparent inability to thoroughly vet a candidate for, well, anything). If someone is right for the job, and they have not broken any laws, and they have not caused permanent damage to their cause, for the love of Pete stick by them! This whole episode just demonstrates how messed-up our politics are in America.
historical parallels
Corn's argument is three-fold: They're not that evil, they're not that ballsy, and their not that competent.
What about the USS Maine incident, the sinking of the Lusitania, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
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-- The destruction of the Maine is now thought to have been set in motion by a shipboard accident. The rendering of that accident into a causus belli was after-the-fact.
-- Are you disputing that the Lusitania was torpedoed by a German submarine? They even struck a medal commemorating the sinking, and tried to spin it as proof that the US was secretly shipping weapons to the Brits in civilian hulls. While that was probably true, it still doesn't relieve the Germans of responsibility under the then-current laws of naval warfare. At any rate, the spinning of the sinking into a causus belli was after the fact.
-- The Gulf of Tonkin incident was a confused night-time encounter at sea spun into a causus belli after the fact.
None of these were done in front of a real-time audience of hundreds of millions, and there's no credible evidence that any of them were planned ahead of time. In that sense, there's a very real historical parallel with 9/11: in every case, the war party in the US spun an incident that presented itself to them into a causus belli for the war they wanted anyways.
Polarizing language has the
Polarizing language has the unfortunate effect of polarizing people ,no matter how capable or qualified any one person might be for any position .
If someone on a school board ( elected or appointed, or any someone in a local position ) had called all parents “A-holes “.., or used racially inflammatory language to try and make a point, no matter how justified … how long would they be there ??And how far would they progress afterward? Would it matter if they were white, black, brown, or green? There was more than the 911 /conspiracy truther issue at play.
Remember when Samatha Power called Hillary a ” monster” ? And I would love to see someone, anyone, go after Summers on the basis of "misogyny" , but the patriarchy runs deep and wide and is bi-partisan . Men can say things about women with impunity , but everything a woman says is held against her ,and rarely looked at in the light of centuries of oppression of women. Those are the real witch hunts imo.
It sickens me to think that Glenn Beck can sound byte his way to influence , but the rest of the media steered clear of the entire issue, never attempted any clarification, reasonable or other wise. I can’t even watch Beck , he is so hyperbolic. But if I turn to msnbc , are they trying to counter with reason and logic ?? No… they have Ed and Chris and Keith screaming back, and CNN has their agenda and shouting as well.
I am so tired of my tv yelling at me …
One of the colossal underlying factors here , is the bo inability to lead . He does not even exerciseany of the fundamental principles of facilitating change . When you change anything too much, too fast ,too soon , in any organisation ; people become upset, anxious and afraid .
This isa natural and expected outcome. The Glenn Becks of the world can take advantage.
Beyond that .. of 34 czars , which is really too many , only 3 of them are women . Bo also has not only been less than transparent in his dealings , he is not reassuring or clear in his messages. He is exactly what Hillary said he was, too inexperienced .
Add to that that he is STILL campaigning , and actually has never stopped , and the result is that his ability to govern is rendered ineffective by his own inabilty and lack of leadership; but above all , lack of SUBSTANCE, which is necessary for governing . Bo is not going to grow a spine over the Labor Day Weekend . don't expect it .
Van Jones being thrown under the bus is just a continuation of O-team business as usual . And Jones did not help by having used inflammatory or polarizing language , no matter how well intentioned or qualified he was for the job.
9/11 Truth
Sorry to say it Mr. Corn, but you have long been accused of being a CIA plant, well before you started trying to debunk the Bush regime complicity in 9/11, which you have failed to do...
There is nothing to
There is nothing to investigate.
As much as I despised and derided the Bush administration, I would never accuse them of carrying out attacks on the US. (Of all the things we have actual proof against, you choose to indict the Bush administration on the basis of some long-winded video on YouTube.)
As Mr. Corn has stated, it is a shame some people on the left even thought of dabbling in this nonsense, though we should also not that there are many libertarian conspiracy theorists who subscribed to the 9/11 Truth movement.
No, no, I think you're an
No, no, I think you're an FBI plant. Totally different.
(I, of course, am being facetious; I fear that the commenter above me is not.)
GEORGE W. BUSH IS SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL
GEORGE W. BUSH FACILITATED THE 9/11 ATTACKS.
BUSH IS CRIMINALLY COMPLICIT IN THE 9/11 ATTACKS.
BUSH IS SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL AND REQUIRES PSYCHIATRIC HELP.
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SCANDALS! SCANDALS! SCANDALS!
DANGER! DANGER! DANGER!
GEORGE W. BUSH IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CRIMINAL STALKER AND SERIAL KILLER!
George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her.
“In her suit, Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to keep her mouth shut. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she commits suicide” (go to Google, type “blog of drizzten Margie Schoedinger,” and hit “Enter”).
“George [Bush is personally complicit] in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of . . . George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell, Nevada Progressive Democratic Candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010).
McConnell is correct: Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder where it culminated in her death.
Bush’s method of murdering Schoedinger cannot exist in a vacuum: he must have murdered other people in the same way.
Bush also used this sort of modus operandi to intimidate or terrorize people: it is physically impossible for it to have been otherwise insofar as he could implement such a modus operandi at all. Thus, sometimes Bush continuously criminally stalked people to terrify them by inflicting organized harassment against them, their family members, close relatives, and friends—and furthermore—possibly their employers and/or contacts otherwise. Some of Bush’s victims were so scared and realized that the worst thing that could happen to them was that they would ultimately be murdered by him—for example—like Schoedinger. So it might have behooved any number of them to step down to whatever arbitrary and capricious demands of Bush or else he might have ordered to show pressure on them all the way to the point—when they commit suicide.
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self-aggrandizing tripe
i told you so? truthers? are you f-ing serious david?
wow.
right wing SENATORS claim obama is an illegitimate muslim communist trying to kill grandma and destroy america, and you blame the truthers???
Beck Won ... Obama Lost!
Beck Won ... Obama Lost! Why? because Beck had more credibility than Obama on Van Jones!
No... he was just the louder
No... he was just the louder of the two.
Should we be able to call for Mr. Beck to resign because he subscribes to that most idiot of conspiracies that Mr. Obama is a racist?
You afraid of sources drying
You afraid of sources drying up David? Van Jones brought himself down with his hip-hop sham-antics and racist rants that said whitey was poisoning this and that minority. Which, if it were true, then he as a lawyer should have been seeking redress in the courts rather than on a ego trip of speaking circuits. And, what does Van Jones do in the I quit letter? He blames whitey! Please tell me how many green jobs did he in fact create? Or was Van Jones the useful idiot in the furtherance of the further de-industrialization of this country? There's a scoop out there for you David if you care to work for it rather than have a toady-gram dropped into your inbox for transcription.
So you trust Bush and Cheney?
I guess you have to believe that they didn't lie about something - why not 9/11?
We had already formed a coalition to invade Afghanistan in March of 2001 as reported by Jane's Intelligence Review and that was 6 months before 9/11. It was insurance fraud, theft, obstruction of justice (oops, there went the Enron files), a pretext for two wars and an excuse to shred the constitution.
So, I guess the author is down with torture, bailouts and the war industry running our news media and entertainment industry?
FEAR THE BOXCUTTER!
What a pack of gutless and spineless morons.
Trust the Government.
Something Stinks!
What they lied about was the
What they lied about was the incompetence of their administration and their refusal to take FBI warnings of potential terrorist attacks prior to 9/11 seriously. However, no single government agency ever had enough of the picture to roll up the conspiracy; if they had, they would have done it automatically without (and likely despite) intervention from the WH.
Why should Jones have to
Why should Jones have to resign because of this? I don't see the reasoning, especially if he claims to not support the petition.
David Corn, tell it to the
David Corn, tell it to the Family Steeting Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission. Former Senator Lincolm Chaffe (R-RI) has noted the Families who lost loved ones on 9/11 are not satisfied with the 9/11 Commission and want a further investigation. And so Chaffe is not satisfied and signed a similar petition for a further investigation. If it's good enough for a moderate Republican senator, it's good enough for me. If you so deride the people who are asking legitimate questions, why not just go all out with your attack and boycott those who read the names of their loved ones who died this coming Friday. Grow up. See their questions at http://www.911independentcommission.org/. Or read 9/11 Widow, Kristen Breitweiser's, Wake-up Call. When you've graduated from kindergarten your column might be worth reading again.
Obama needs to quit giving into to the assholes
Van Jones is gone
The public option might be gone
There is a laundry list...
I didn't vote for Obama so that he could give in to Rep...I mean assholes. I voted for him so that he could kick them back into the dark ages and visit revenge upon them.
Why isn't the IRAQ WAR poison?
How is it that ANYONE who voted for, campaigned for, or shilled for that PHONY ILLEGAL WAR is not excluded from the process?
Instead Guilliani and Friedman get invited to spew more nonsense on Meet the Press?
If someone doesn't believe everything the government says they are excluded? It should be the other way around.
Something Stinks!
9/11 Falsehood
"I even debunked a book promoting an unfounded 9/11 conspiracy theory that was published by Nation Books when I was Washington editor of The Nation magazine."
All the more reason to be reading The Nation rather than you...
FYI, "one of the most knowledgeable experts in this field" believed it, the very man that you are defending here. You can't have it both ways...
Truth
"But I have learned from experience that people who believe this stuff are not open to persuasion."
Read: But I have learned from experience that some people can't be persuaded by government propaganda.
"Please do not send me emails, mail me manuscripts, invite me to debates, or post comments accusing me of being a CIA plant."
Read: I have no interest in the Truth.
"has left the administration because he could not steer clear of the 9/11 foolishness."
Agreed. Asking unanswered and unresolved questions into one of the greatest mass murders in US history is sheer foolishness.
"but the 9/11 Truthers are also responsible for concocting and spreading the poison that he drank."
Read: Poison = Truth. "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell
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The poison starts with David
The poison starts with David Corn. He doesn't have the balls to discuss what first hand responders experienced in the Twin Towers before the buildings fell. The NY Times published over 500 pieces of oral testimony of first responders of the FDNY in August 2005. The testimony is explosive, but not in the way David Corn would care to learn about, or want his readers to learn about. Like Dick Cheney, Corn seems to decry any questioning of what happened on 9/11 as a comfort to the terrorists. Maybe Corn can run on a Cheney-Corn ticket with the Republicans in 2012 and make any inquiry into the events of 9/11 a crime. Perhaps that's the kind of democracy and freedom of speech David Corn is really in favor of.
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Well ... if I can just squeeze in here among these cuckoos...
I'm reminded of the Pearl Harbor Conspiracy Theory. Remember that? Since FDR was openly doing everything to get Japan to start a war, outside of shitting in Tojo's hat, it was later claimed by some, er, *truthers* that he had prior knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attacks. He didn't; no one in America could have predicted such a brilliant and precipitous act. What FDR did have was the hope that Japan could be provoked into doing something stupid. There was simply no way that the isolationist congress was going to vote to go to war, despite how desperately we were needed.
In the same way it can be argued that Bush & Co. was looking for the neocon wet dream of remaking the middle east into a hotbed of democracy — and finishing the war with Iraq that Bush's father had wisely halted. That it came in the form it did was, sanity insists, a complete surprise.
Both events, Pearl Harbor and 9/11, were preceded by an arrogant dismissal of the dangers of imminent attack. Both rudely surprised the incompetent, arrogant, myopic, and dim-witted guardians of our national welfare. But they were fools, not the abject villains of the "truthers" feverish imaginations.
The kernel of truth in both *conspiracies* is that FDR and Bush SHOULD have known the shit was soon going to hit the fan, and therefore they were ultimately responsible.
An incredibly prescient
An incredibly prescient analysis that called 9/11 for what is was (broadcast 6/28/2001):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U
The War Department had
The War Department had broken the Japanese "Flower" codes in July 1941 and had intercepted and decoded not only the diplomatic traffic to the Japanese Embassy in DC, but also the traffic between the mainland and the Imperial Fleet, from the time they left harbor until they reached the launch point 300 miles NW of Pearl Harbor. Not only FDR but Gen. George C Marshall, and their staffs, were fully aware of what was going on, and what was about to happen. A Board of Inquiry in 1944 cleared Admirals Kimmel and Short of responsibility for the events on December 7, 1941. Had FDR not died some five months later, he might have faced some real difficulties... This is just another example of a US Government conspiracy which cost thousands of American lives. If Admirals Kimmel and Short had received the intel in time, the Imperial Fleet could have most certainly been sunk, and Japan would have had to concede the war. This, by the way, goes for the attacks on Singapore and the Phillipine Islands, as well as Guam, Midway, and the Hawaiian Islands. Neither FDR nor Marshall were fools, nor were they incompetent. FDR had been trying to get the US into war against the Axis powers since the invasion of Poland in 1940, and he got his wish.
There's no doubt in my mind
There's no doubt in my mind this was set up by the Bush's. They along with dick and Christy should be arrested for war crimes against America.
Come on now people wake up. There's absolutely no way those buildings could have gone down with those planes hits. The way they fell.
Then Christy stating that the air was safe. Queens College Tennis center's white cover a couple days after was almost blackened from the air from the fallen towers. They were afraid of setting off a crisis of no one returning back down town again quickly.
How else could lil Bush revenge Daddy Bush without setting up a way to do it. Another thing is there is no way IMPO that the government would have taken responsibility and paid monies to the families who loved ones died without it being them responsible for this horrific crime.
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911 definitely an inside job and Van Jones knows it
911 was definitely an inside job. White nationalists are in denial because it is too painful for all of you and you cannot believe rich white people would kill other white people just for money and power. These are the Jewish elite and they did kill a bunch of white people. They slaughtered Christians in Russia as well. If 9/11 is not an inside job then explain all of this:
1) Why did Larry Silverstein purchase failing property in the months leading up the incident and have it specially insured against terrorist incidents?
2) What was the purpose of all the construction on the upper floors of all three buildings in the days before 9/11?
3) Why were the buildings closed (lights out) in the days leading up to 9/11?
4) Why was Bush’s brother and a cousin in charge of security at WTC?
5) Why is Bin Laden treated in an American hospital in Dubai and visited by the CIA in the days before the attack?
6) Why did Bush sit there in that classroom for six minutes with that strange look on his face when the Secret Service should have been immediately relocated him since his present location was well publicized by the media, making him vulnerable to assassination by the so-called terrorists?
7) Why were Bush and Cheney allowed to testify together, not under oath and with no recording or transcripts during the 9/11 Commission?
8) Why was Bush insider and Rice confidante Philip Zelikow put in charge of the 9/11 Commission?
9) Why does the commission ignore the fact that Norman Mineta’s testimony directly conflicts with White House claims?
10) Why did the buildings fall at freefall speed, actually accelerating, with no resistance from below?
11) Why do we see and onlookers feel explosions right before the collapse with squibs being ejected from the sides of the buildings ahead of the collapse along with explosions all over the building as the collapse proceeds?
12) Why are there human remains still being found on adjacent buildings far away if there were no bomb explosions?
13) Why did the reinforced core collapse? It was a completely separate fixture from the floors themselves.
14) Why was all the evidence removed by FEMA before NIST or anyone could examine it?
15) How could fire have weakened the buildings if they weren’t hot enough or even burned for very long, as evidenced by the intense smoke, characteristic of fuel starved fires?
16) Why have buildings constructed like this never collapsed from fire before?
17) Why did the buildings collapse from plane impacts when they were constructed to withstand just such impacts?
18) Why would upper impacts bring a building down when it is know that the only way to demolish a building is to destabilize the foundation?
19) How could the debris be pulverized unless there were planted explosions?
20) Why was there molten metal found at the base of each collapse if the fire was not hot enough to cause it?
21) Why are the columns at the base of the buildings cut at angles that are frequently seen in controlled demolitions?
22) If the building pancaked then why was there no mangled heap of floors and debris?
23) Why does the dust cloud and particulate matter match every controlled demolition implosion and volcanic eruption known to man?
24) Why were the fires still burning in all three buildings from the molten metal in the basement weeks after the attack?
25) Are we supposed to believe that WTC7 is the first building in history, according to NIST and the official report, to have collapsed solely from small, isolated fires?
26) Why did Larry Silverstein say he gave the command to “pull it” and then later say he was referring to the firefighters when that is clearly a demolition term and no firefighters were ever in the building?
27) Why does a live BBC reporter say the building has been brought down minutes before it actually did come down?
28) Why does Rudy Guiliani tell everyone that the building is about to come down if it was an accident?
29) Why is the NIST’s official report on WTC7 still not released after five years?
30) Why do we not have full access to all of the Pentagon impact footage from cameras?
31) Why was that section of the Pentagon building recently reinforced prior to 9/11?
32) Why was there no damage to the Pentagon front lawn?
33) Why was all the debris collected and removed before anyone could analyze it?
34) Why was the entire Pentagon front lawn dug up and overturned before anyone could examine it?
35) Where are the plane fragments from the Pentagon impact?
36) Why is the hole in the Pentagon from the impact so small?
37) Where are the human remains from the Pentagon?
38) How did amateur pilot, Hani Hanjour, with only a few hundred hours manage to pilot a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon?
39) It was not possible to make reliable cell phone calls from airplanes on 9/11/2001 so how is it possible we have several full length conversations with no dropping or static on United Flight 93?
40) Why do the people on those conversations on United Flight 93 speak to each other using their full names when they are supposed to be close friends, relatives and spouses?
41) Why is the United Flight 93 debris field so large? Some pieces of the plane were found several miles away.
42) Where are the human remains from the crash of United Flight 93’?
43) Why is there so little debris from United Flight 93 and why was no one allowed to examine it?
44) Why does a Flight 93 land in Cleveland shortly after the purported crash of United 93 and only after that airport had been evacuated?
45) Who do firefighters and people inside the buildings all recount multiple series of explosions in WTC1 and WTC2?
46) Why does some man on the scene of the towers immediately suggest to reporters that the buildings collapsed because of the plane collisions and the subsequent heat from the fires like he was some expert on the subject?
47) Initial media coverage said that these collapses were controlled demolitions but it was never repeated after the first day. Why?
48) Why does the media refuse to cover this plethora of anomalies?
49) Why do politicians run away from Americans demanding a real investigation? Have they not seen this overwhelming evidence or are they complicit in this heinous crime?
50) Why were we running airplane attack scenarios the same day of the attacks?
51) Why does Cheney say his order to stand down remains?
52) Why does the official story have the timing of events that day completely distorted?
53) Bin Laden initially says he had nothing to do with 9/11 but then later accepts responsibility. Most, if not all, of the Al Qaeda tapes have been proven to be obvious forgeries.
54) Al Qaeda had neither the opportunity nor access to plant the bombs that caused these implosions so who did?
55) Why are several of the nineteen alleged hijackers known to be alive and well living overseas?
56) Why does Bush have Ground Zero air proclaimed to be safe when it still had many times the safe level of asbestos and other toxic matter in the air? Many of those workers have developed lung illnesses or have died.
57) What happned to some of the gold that was stored under the Towers? Only part of it has been accounted for.
Any one of these unanswered and valid points proves the official story is a lie. If you just hate Arabs then just be a racist but you cannot deny reality because it is a shared physical experience based upon science.
Why does this so intensely
Why does this so intensely reminded of the mix of lies and half-truths spewed by moon-hoax peddlers and creationists?
Oh, because it's the same type of mish-mash of lies, distortions, and red-herrings.
To take one example, the WTC towers were not designed to survive the impact of jets the size of the ones that hit them, or going as fast. They were designed to survive being hit by 707s, the largest in-service jetliner at the time they were designed. 767s are about 50% heavier, and they were deliberately rammed into the towers at full speed... an extremely unlikely accident scenario.
Your Complicity
You are complicit in the cover by just even contemplating such an article as the SCHLOCK I just read, obviously you are one of 3 things-
1 too dumb to realize a cover up
2 in the pockets of the Oligarchy or-
3 just don't care which means you are not a patriot in any sense of the word
David Corn appropriately named
Mr. Corn only lists opinions as reasons not to ask 9/11 questions. He simply gives up, or, better yet, sticks his head in the sand. And since no logical explanation for 9/11 has been given, should we just think that anyone who wants to know what really happened is an idiot? THAT is not logic, Mr. Corn. I would expect better reasoning from Rush.
911
Hi David,
Great argument David - you 911 truthers are a bunch of bums cause you convinced a really smart man that your theory has merit.
I guess I must have missed your earlier article that proved the neccessary premise to your argument - that is that a further investigation of 911 is not needed - thus Van Jones was duped - ergo 911 truthers are bad so fooey on them.
So how about go for it David - invite a conspiracy kook like Dr. Griffin or Dr. Gage for a debate with you in Mother Jones. Prove this thing to reasonable people once and for all - hey Mother Jones will become respectable - maybe Glen Beck will invite you on his show.
I totally understand why you haven't put reasoned arguments against these radicals - where do you start they have so many crazy ideas - but go up against them man! You don't need to convince them - just show the proof to the general public - print twice as many magazines that month, Dick Cheney will get a subscription for the whole PNAC - show them the damn passenger lists - show how the official story matches the timetable perfectly - your an investigative journalist - lay it out - people would have heard explosions if that's what brought the towers down. How hard can it be to argue against kooks? Look would a government that spends billions - trillions to bring democracy to Iraq - harm anyone. Or are you chicken???? Just clucking away on your own - are you man enough for debate?
David Corn and 911
To all those including so called journalists who say that 911 happened just the way the government told us, please explain how:
1. the passport for Mohammad Atta was conveniently found at the foot of the World Trade Center when everything else was pulverized.
2. WTC 7 fell or obviously was imploded and yet no plane hit it, and only a couple floors were on fire. And no steel building has ever been destroyed by fire and then mysteriously on 9-11-01, 3 steel buildings fall from fire!
3. Where is the video evidence showing the plane crashing into the Pentagon? I don't know what hit the Pentagon, maybe it was a plane, but with all the vido cameras that cover the Pentagon, we should have seen it by now. And please don't just produce that often shown video of some kind of explosion that was thrown at the public to supposedly show a plane hit it--there is no plane in that video.
4. Why are there no bodies found in any of the 911 locations? In plane crashes aren't there usually at least some remains found?
5. Why is there such a backlash against anyone who dares to question the events of 911, including now Mr. Corn, who supposedly represents the left media? If it is all just a misguided theory, why give it so much ink?
6. What does Mr. Corn and others have to say to the families of 911 who are calling for another, a real, investigation into the events of 911? Has he talked to them to ask what their concerns are--for instance, as they claim, the 911 commission failed to answer 70% of their questions.
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Corn's Reaction to 9-11 Scepticism to the Official Story
It is the reactions of people like Corn that have convinced me not to be a subscriber to magazines that accept their opinions and that censor alternative views of the events of 9-11. I have not since 9-11 subscribed to Mother Jones, The Progressive, or The Nation because the the editorial boards of all those publications refuse to allow alternative voices to speak on the 9-11 disasters. I am sure they have lost a good number of grass roots subscribers. I think that they get by from donations from foundations or front organizations of the CIA to make up for the loss.
Corny
You fool no one Corn. Just as your magazine of choice the Nation is run by a lifetime member of the CFR, of whom you never talk about, or the Rockefellers who you never talk about, or the Ford Foundation who you never talk about, ad naseum. We know whats up buddy.
I particularly like the Utne Reader! You know that other bastion of so called liberalism rag. The very one whos managing editor Nina Rothschild is none other than the grandaughter of Felix Warburg! Your liberalism is false, it just part of the left right paradigm with your ruling elite in charge. You fool no one anymore. The sheople are awakening, and ummm they seem to be a bit pissed off by the likes you and your illk.
Why don't you write an article on the FED bubba? Or your favorte group the CFR. You know that CFR that has the likes of Elliot Abrahms, Ed Meese, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Dick Cheney, George Tenet, James Woolsey, and YOUr very own Katrina vanden Heuvel, whos father William J. vanden Heuvel was in the OSS and the CIA.
You work for the ruling elite Corn, you represent nothing of interest in either human rights, the dignity of man, liberty, or anything else of value. You are part of the problem not the solution. You yourself Corn give more credence that 9/11 was an inside job than anything David Ray Griffin could ever say. Thanks bro!!
There is nothing quite like a wolf in sheep's clothing, don't you think bubba?