In his rant, Falwell forgot to mention commie pinkos, tree huggers, Prius drivers, biscotti munchers and those guys who carry babies around in little front-facing backpacks. I think he's close to a major breakthrough. Soon, with the help of the NSA and a legion of Bob Jones University interns, he'll pinpoint the exact date of the Rapture and the West Village leather bar that is the evil, pulsing heart of American secularism.

Come back to terra firma, McCain. I know there is good inside you.

Jerry Faldwell's newest bestest friend: McChicken McCain!

And pandering on abused veterans issues? CALVETS/ CDVA is easily the worst agency in California state government! Dozens have died under very unusual circumstances! The once 'Cadillac' state home loans is now a broken down 'Yugo'! The Veterans Home of California at Barstow is easily the worst former military care campus on the planet. [ON THE PLANET!]

And from the dusty hills of Arid Zona comes that fakey dakey 'straight shooting' former Hanoi Hilton resident advocating [NOT FOR VETERANS, THEIR FRIENDS, THEIR FAMILIES] but for the Establishment's Steer Manure Pile of failed veterans programs.

Be it insider Democan Governor Gray Davis or Mister Hollywood Hype [The Govenator], Arid Zona McChicken McCain loves to spend time on the Coast [and in Coastal news outlets -- free national publicity] and is all for veterans programs which provide the ineffective old line traditional 'chartered' [CHEEZIE] veterans organizations as a platform that they are actually doing something, no matter how lethal!

California veterans programs are not merely deadly and ineffective, but also frauduant. The current homes are poorly run and critical patients/ family/ friends/ employee get illegally hounded by the $100K a year misadministrators! The homes under construction bear little relation to the Proposition 16 Bonds that voters OK'd [over our warnings!] in March 2000! Out right Fraud, hidden in plain sight!

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With 'friends' like Governors Wilson, Davis, and Schwartzen Faker, and 'advocates' like Jerry Faldwell's buddy, veterans do not need enemies!

Reality Check

I have had enough. When will our elected officials stop pandering to the religious right and truly represent the constitution and the principels upon which we were founded. All of these politicians are more concerned with votes then standing up for the truth. I venture that most Americans are of the belief that we were founded as a Christian nation, what else could you think. Schools imply it, if not teach it, some Priests and Preachers would have you believe that Jesus called the roll at the Constitutional Convention. Politicians like the President and members of the House and Senate knowingly at the expense of reality invoke these untruths to get votes. Conservative talking heads like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity flat out say we were formed as a christian nation and wave it to stoke the flames of ignorance, all the while claiming that they are patriots. The old adage definitely applies, that if you tell a lie long enough it becomes true.

The Democrats and the "liberal media" are just as guilty, if not more so for not calling one another out on these issues. Why does the government keep trying to spread democracy around the world, when we can't even discuss it out loud and admit the true principles we were founded on. If we as Americans can not get together and nail down who we really are as a people and have our government state out loud it's fundamental principles because they fear a religious out cry, then we have grossly failed the test before us. I guarantee not one candidate would broach this subject out of fear of pissing off the zealots and not getting votes. One of the main things our enlightened Founding Fathers railed against was religion, this is a fact. Not the practice of religion, far from it, they would carefully protect every ones right to choose his or her religion what ever it might be. But of it's place in government, to them, it had none. Today we run rough shod over the CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS like they were an advice column or list of helpful hints. How do we expect to help other countries with democracy when we are not honest enough to truly defend and represent our own as it was originally conceived. This is the true shame of our nation.

Time for a reality check, a large number of the most famous and involved members of the Founding Fathers were anything but Christian, frankly they had a great deal of disdain for it. I will reference some of the most relevant Founding Fathers, and ironically these are the ones religious groups frequently use to illustrate their point. (WASHINGTON, ADAMS, JEFFERSON, MADISON, FRANKLIN, THOMAS PAINE ETC) What's truly alarming is that only one of two things can be true in this case 1) that the standard bearers of the Constitution we elect and appoint to positions of authority today know the facts of history and still continue to pander to zealots and that's scary or 2) they truly don't know their history and actually believe we were formed as a Christian government. That is stunning.

How far we have fallen from the hopes of what the Founders created. The church and the involvement of religion in the government was exactly what they didn't want. Now religious leaders, conservatives and liberals alike have taken it and twisted to suit they're constituents beliefs and I wager not one of the candidates would have the integrity to discuss it publicly or defend the words of the Founding Fathers.

The bottom line is this. By ignoring and betraying the true nature and magnitude of what the Founders conceived and realized, we rob them of and hide from the world their true genius and vision and there just due. Even sadder we have robbed ourselves of the true democracy they envisioned. These great men studied the history of nations and the repression of the peoples of the world and realized the one common denominator was the involvement of the church and religion with government. It has been referenced in each of their writings on countless occasions, often with disgust.

The vision and insight possesed by these great free thinkers is as evident now as it ever was. Imagine if we had carried that enlightened standard of reason, intellect, cause and effect forward and truly nurtured it and carried to it's deserved place, there just might have been a lot less death and destruction in the world in the name of God. If we followed and respected that helpful hint list I mentioned earlier, things might be going a little smoother now. Had we actually let each other live and let live regardless of religious belief and stopped trying to convince each other that we each had the best invisible guy we would definitely be better off.

Before you react angrily and lash out with some inane emotional argument, count to ten and read a history book. Then find some documented facts and present a cogent and factual argument. If the gist of your argument is that I'm going to burn in hell or something along those lines, save it. I said fact based and cogent.

Let me stress that I am not anti-religion because that is the first argument i will get. I am however anti-lie. America is my country and I truly love it. I am angry because we are not defending what it stands for, we are cowering from the very thing they despised and risked there lives to defeat, intolerance, ignorance and repression. Here are some quotes to illustrate my point, say Amen, when somebody sounds like a christian .

God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world.-- John Adams, "this awful blashpemy" that he refers to is the myth of the Incarnation of Christ

The Treaty of TripoliSigned by John Adams
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared ... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.... "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." -- Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams

The Church of Rome has made it an article of faith that no man can be saved out of their church, and all other religious sects approach this dreadful opinion in proportion to their ignorance, and the influence of ignorant or wicked priests.-- John Adams, Diary and Autobiography

The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning.... And, even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes.-- John Adams, letter to John Taylor

The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815

I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson

Government being, among other purposes, instituted to protect the consciences of men from oppression, it certainly is the duty of Rulers, not only to abstain from it themselves, but according to their stations, to prevent it in others.-- George Washington, letter to the Religious Society called the Quakers, September 28,1789

"I have diligently perused every line that Washington ever gave to the public, and I do not find one expression in which he pledges, himself as a believer in Christianity. I think anyone who will candidly do as I have done, will come to the conclusion that he was a Deist and nothing more."-- The Reverend Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

The civil government ... functions with complete success ... by the total separation of the Church from the State.-- James Madison, 1819

Congress should not establish a religion, and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any Manner contrary to their conscience.-- James Madison, explaining to Congress during the House Debate what the First Amendment means to him

Indeed, Mr. Jefferson, what could be invented to debase the ancient Christianism which Greeks, Romans, Hebrews and Christian factions, above all the Catholics, have not fraudulently imposed upon the public? Miracles after miracles have rolled down in torrents.-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, December 3, 1813

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maybe McCain can get a slot on the dem ticket as Hillary's veep?

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

i am a new englander transplanted all the way to tn. the politicions will never admit that this country was founded on religous freedom because they are afraid of losing that evangelical vote. but i can tell you this, if you are not a babtist, bible toter in the south, you are ostrasized. i was baptised catholic and that is as bad as being a muslim, jew, buddist, what have you. so no, they will always stick to that stupid lie, that we were founded as a christain country.

Bob Leddy, I wish to know where Sydney Pollack is buried? RSVP

Maybe Clinton can get a slot on the Repug ticket as McBush's VP.

BTW, here is a Conservative REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST'S Prayer for war, published after the death of Mark Twain:

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle, be Thou near them!

With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe.

O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with hurricanes of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it, for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!

We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts.

Amen...

Undoubtedly this is the religiocity of Bush and McBush's, since they wants to continue their RIGHT WING war in Iraq for a hundred year or even a million years and start another war in Iran; and I understand there are even more countries the RIGHT WING have scheduled for this type of demolition as well.