Well, this is quite an oddity... I wonder who the contractor is that's going to get millions to repair the damage by the GOP-installed corporate troll (Schwarzenegger)? Halliburton or Bechtel?
Cheers,
Lori R. Price
Mgr., Citizens For Legitimate Government
http://www.legitgov.org/

So 8000 plus gallons of burning gasoline melt tarmac, concrete and weaken the steel connectors to a section of freeway which collapses. Of course the obvious connection is to draw a line between the low temperature fire in the Towers on 9-11 and the simplified statement of how fire "melts" steel or makes it "rubbery". How amazing it is that lies spread so quickly that the population begins to recite them as fact. Well, here is another fact...NEVER in the 100 year history of high-rise steel construction has a building collapsed due to fire until 9-11 when 3 buildings (only two of which were impacted by planes)collapsed into their "footprints". The fire in Madrid last year (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html) was a perfect example of what we should have seen on 9-11 if the fires had been hot enough to melt steel; floors that sheared off leaving the core columns intact in the middle and the building still standing. Of course, it took 10+ hours for that to happen in Madrid and it was truly a raging Towering Inferno for most of that time. But in the States on 9-11, physics took a holiday and it took exactly 49 minutes to bring one Tower straight down. As Rage Against the Machine put it so eloquently, "Wake Up!".

Free Thinker, Critical Thinker
-dj

ps. When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross. -Sinclair Lewis

How long did the fire burn before it collapsed? Why was support steel not encased in concrete? Its a good thing his truck was 100% death proof.

Jamie

"An interesting note, one engineer who studied the WTC explosions for the National Science Foundation said that the freeway collapse was quite similar."

Asphalt: is a sticky, black and highly viscous liquid or semi-solid that is present in most crude petroleums and in some natural deposits. Asphalt is composed almost entirely of bitumen.

Steel: is an alloy comprised mostly of iron, with a carbon content between 0.02 % and 1.7 % by weight, depending on grade.

- Wikipedia

I fail to see any similarity at all. I'm insulted that you would publish such trash! What was the name of this "engineer"? The WTC buildings were blown into fine powder and steel fragments, the bay bridge was melted into a flexible slab. How stupid to you think people are?

You are forgetting 9/11 was an inside job by Bush (he piloted the first plane into tower 1 himself). Also explosives were placed through out the buildings- at least that is the answer you will get from a conspiracy kook.

I happen to be a former engineer at Caltrans. I had heard after yesterday's incident that there had been prior 'hits' of a column next to the roadway. The very cause of this incident could very well be because the banking of the roadway, called superelevation, to allow vehicles to negotiate a sharp bending curve at 50 miles per hour. When I heard there had been previous hits of a column on the curve I immediately thought of the superelevation because trucks, like tankers, wind up extending over and beyond the guardrail on sharply banked roadways. If there was a previous history of hits Caltrans should have taken action. So please get off the Schwarzenegger/Halliburton trip because first off, the work was started under the Davis Aministration and secondly, you do a disservice as to the real cause of the problem: Bureaucratic intransigence. I am a whistle blower and suffered the consequences: Retaliation and harassment and guess what, the State Attorney General at the time, Bill Lockyer, failed to respond to tens of thousands of whistle blower complaints through the State Bureau of Audits. Where's Bill now? He's been elected as the State Treasurer. Great.

by tort law in this country , Sabek Transportation is responsible party for the clean-up. Why is Caltrans asking the Federal Government to pick up the tab? Sabek Transportation has to pay- that is what i8nsurance and bonds are for.

When I read about this this morning I wondered if it was completely an accident, due to the very critical location. I mentioned this to my wife, who told me that I was being paranoid. I told her that I would check to see if the name Sabek, of Sabek Transportation, was Arabic. She said, "well, if it is, then I might be interested." Guess what? It is.

Gawd folks...are you really that supid...paranoid...or both?...the driver was a 51 year old man from Woodland with three children...a driver of a fuel tank truck is placed in such a responsible charge because they are the safest of drivers...the CHP lies to condem the truck driver to cover for the bureaucracy...just request a SWITERS report (a log of accidents at a specific location on any State highway in California) from the CHP on that specific spot of the freeway and I'll bet you'll find numerous truck accidents...in fact there was an almost exact accident at that same location several years ago...such a frequency of accidents indicates a blatant fact: The existence of a design flaw in the design of the roadway...perhaps it's incomprehensible to you all that Caltrns is like an adult version of The Lord of the Flies....there are people at Caltrans placed in highly responsible positions who knew full well of the shorcommings of the Cypress structure...it was only a miracle that a 7.2 earthquake occured right at the start of a World Series baseball game between the Giants and the A's that resulted in a minimal number of cars on that structure at 5:04 in the evening...believe me....there are more IEDs...inexplicable eventual disasters...awaiting us on California highways thanks to the incompetence of negligent persons elevated to positions of critical decision making...just stay tuned for the next natural or man-made disaster....either way...there will be a clear path back to the bureaucracy.....

Asphalt: is a sticky, black and highly viscous liquid or semi-solid that is present in most crude petroleums and in some natural deposits. Asphalt is composed almost entirely of bitumen.

Steel: is an alloy comprised mostly of iron, with a carbon content between 0.02 % and 1.7 % by weight, depending on grade.

- Wikipedia

I fail to see any similarity at all. I'm insulted that you would publish such trash! What was the name of this "engineer"? The WTC buildings were blown into fine powder and steel fragments, the bay bridge was melted into a flexible slab. How stupid to you think people are?

The comparison made was that the steel at the MacArthur maze was heated up by the burning fuel, which causes it to lose its strength and collapse. Astaneh was not comparing asphault to steel, but steel to steel. Steel gets hot, it gets rubbery, and it gets weak. It can lose a large amount of its strength if it is heated by burning fuel, and the structure can collapse.

Understand now?

The 4/30/07 Associated Press coverage of the “Tanker Blaze Collapses California (Oakland) Highway” immediately set off alarm bells for me with my 911 Truth background. The event should be closely scrutinized.

Timing of event: 3:45AM Sunday morning (no one around, no witnesses and nobody hurt)

Roadway conditions: From the limited photos shown, the tanker appears to have been coming through a straight and level ramp section with the start of a broad gradual upgrade and curve to the right not for another 100 to 200 yards beyond the crash-site (not exactly a situation causing the driver to lose control and “crash his tanker into a pylon” igniting 8600 gallons of fuel).

Conditions contributing to steel meltdown: The AP article says heat from the fire exceeded 2750 degrees (this would be Fahrenheit) which seems way out of line since the jet fuel at the World Trade Center on 911 was estimated to burn at 1750F. This didn’t mean that the WTC steel ever reached that temperature due to its high heat conductive properties (600-700F degrees would have been more likely the maximum temperature reached for the WTC steel).

Extent of damage to the ramp crossing above the crash site ramp: AP article says 250 yards of a ramp crossing above the crash-site collapsed onto the crash-site ramp as shown in the photos due to the excessive heat. The collapsed ramp’s horizontal steel girders are shown extremely deformed for a large part of the 250 yard collapsed section. This suggests that they were subjected to temperatures much higher than those possible from the assumed senario (gasoline fire melts steel). At the same time the photos show no obvious damage to the crash-site ramp on which most of the collapsed ramp is resting. Is this making sense?

If I were Oakland Forensics, I’d be all over this accident scene to make doubly sure its not also a crime scene!

Suspicious in Boston

The 4/30/07 Associated Press coverage of the “Tanker Blaze Collapses California (Oakland) Highway” immediately set off alarm bells for me with my 911 Truth background. The event should be closely scrutinized.

Timing of event: 3:45AM Sunday morning (no one around, no witnesses and nobody hurt)

Roadway conditions: From the limited photos shown, the tanker appears to have been coming through a straight and level ramp section with the start of a broad gradual upgrade and curve to the right not for another 100 to 200 yards beyond the crash-site (not exactly a situation causing the driver to lose control and “crash his tanker into a pylon” igniting 8600 gallons of fuel).

Conditions contributing to steel meltdown: The AP article says heat from the fire exceeded 2750 degrees (this would be Fahrenheit) which seems way out of line since the jet fuel at the World Trade Center on 911 was estimated to burn at 1750F. This didn’t mean that the WTC steel ever reached that temperature due to its high heat conductive properties (600-700F degrees would have been more likely the maximum temperature reached for the WTC steel).

Extent of damage to the ramp crossing above the crash site ramp: AP article says 250 yards of a ramp crossing above the crash-site collapsed onto the crash-site ramp as shown in the photos due to the excessive heat. The collapsed ramp’s horizontal steel girders are shown extremely deformed for a large part of the 250 yard collapsed section. This suggests that they were subjected to temperatures much higher than those possible from the assumed senario (gasoline fire melts steel). At the same time the photos show no obvious damage to the crash-site ramp on which most of the collapsed ramp is resting. Is this making sense?

If I were Oakland Forensics, I’d be all over this accident scene to make doubly sure its not also a crime scene!

Suspicious in Boston

Thank you. The thoughts conveyed alone on this blog subject leads me to believe the truth in what Samuel Clemens once scribed: "Never argue with an idiot in public. It makes it difficult for by-standers to figure out who the idiot is."
You conspiracy kooks really ought to see a psychiatrist on a regular basis and take all prescribed medications consistently.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-05-02-freeway-collapse_N.htm?csp=34

Just thought you'd like to know.
The ramp will be open for traffic in 10 days.

The driver has a history of heroine and served time in jail for a number of offenses. But that is OK according to the government licensing folks. Now NAFTA allows the Mexican trucks and truck drives to legally come across the border to take away our jobs.

I've been driving Fuel Tankers for almost 15 years. Commercial driver for 31 years. It always annoys me when a truck crashes to hear all the negative comments directed towards the driver and trucking companies. No denying that there are irresponsible drivers on the road, but guess what ? STUPID Drivers aren't found just in trucks.
As for drug use...all commercial drivers are tested,pre-employment, randomly, reasonable cause and post accident.I'm sure this driver was tested as required under law.
How many of you in your little cars could pass a drug test ?
Maybe this really was an ACCIDENT. Leave this driver alone. Let's all be thankful that property damage is all that happened. No one died.

P.S. Is that Mean Gene form Hayward ?

from the USA Today article posted above:

"Investigators found that the steel girders holding up the lower ramp had warped but remained structurally sound and could be straightened, California Department of Transportation spokesman Bob Haus said."

Perhaps what melted was the asphalt. In 911 much of the steel ended up in pools of molten iron beneath what rubble was not pulverized (including tower #7 which was not hit by a plane.. Hmm). Much WTC metals were still red hot weeks after the collapse. Not what happened here. The lower girders did not melt, in fact they are being reused, and just 8 days later.