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Is The Lily Livered West an Unindicted Co-Conspirator of Islamo-Fascism?
While Musharraf, and Islamism was defeated in Pakistan (for now, and maybe only for strategic reasons), how complicit is the soggy Western left in its spread? If you can't trust the Archbishop of Canterbury to hold the line, who can you? Well, ask Anne Applebaum, at trusty Slate:
Is this a storm in a teacup, as the archbishop now claims? Was the "feeding frenzy" biased and unfair? Certainly, it is true that, since last Thursday, when Rowan Williams—the archbishop of Canterbury, spiritual leader of the Church of England, symbolic leader of the international Anglican Church—called for "constructive accommodation" with some aspects of sharia law and declared the incorporation of Muslim religious law into the British legal system "unavoidable," practically no insult has been left unsaid....
What one British writer called the "jurisprudential kernel" of his thoughts is as follows: In the modern world, we must avoid the "inflexible or over-restrictive applications of traditional law" and must be wary of our "universalist Enlightenment system," which risks "ghettoizing" a minority. Instead, we must embrace the notion of "plural jurisdiction." This, in other words, was no pleasant fluff about tolerance for foreigners: This was a call for the evisceration of the British legal system as we know it.
Of course, Christopher Hitchens summed up the proper response most robustly, "To Hell With the Archbishop of Canterbury."
His reasoning, if one may call it that, is clear: Other faiths already have their own legal authorities, so why not the Muslims, too? What could be more tolerant and diverse? This same argument has been used already, and will be used again, to demand that laws governing "blasphemy," originally written to protect only Christians from being upset, should now, in a nondiscriminatory way, be amended to cover Muslims as well. The alternative—don't have any blasphemy laws and let religious people's feelings be hurt, just as the feelings of the secular are regularly offended by religion—doesn't occur to the archbishop and people who think like him.
A BBC interview with Williams had him saying that the opening to sharia would "help maintain social cohesion." If that phrase is even intended to mean anything, it can only imply that a concession of this kind would lessen the propensity to violence among Muslims. But such abjectness is not the only definition of social cohesion that we have. By a nice coincidence, a London think tank called the Center for Social Cohesion issued a report just days before the leader of the world's Anglicans and Episcopalians capitulated to Islamic demands. Titled "Crimes of the Community: Honour-Based Violence in the UK," and written by James Brandon and Salam Hafez, it set out a shocking account of the rapid spread of theocratic crime. The main headings were murder and beating of women, genital mutilation, forced marriage, and vigilante methods employed against those who complained. It could well be—since we are becoming every day more familiar with the first three—that the fourth is the one that should concern us most.
How exactly do we reconcile the civil rights movement, the women's liberation movement, the disability rights movment - any movement worthy of the name - with liberating certain groups to violate everything America stands for? So, Joe from five generations of Idaho-ans can't murder the daughter who ticks him off, but if he converts to Islam he can?
Talk about the paving stones on the road to hell.
Update: The New York Times offers a calmer, though not calming, analysis of the situation.
Comments
Who the hell knows what to think with those British.
If they have seperation of church and state, it should apply equally to all "churches".
If they do not, then, I say, let them suffer as they so desire. Let the Arch Bishop adopt Halal dietary rules and see how long before a full-blown shooting war develops over the legal status of Kidey-pie and pork liverworst.
Bottom line first: University students (who later "grow into the Power Structure") bow to the social mores of their situation--they're good boys and girls... At the same time they want to prove their veracity to their "dean..." they aren't truly "very scared" of the school authorities... Like with drinking--every few years you hear about a case of alcohol toxicity... After graduation, such an ilk metamorphoses--those precise social mores "disappear"--no longer is one corralled by peer review.
Such..., instead we have what are, in truth, undisciplined bully boys...!!!
What about those Walgreens executives who got busted for ordering out--for certain "good" illegal aliens to be driven right over the border and into their employ...
Meaning...: the "unusual foreign elements" in society are out of sync with us...?, or, simply, we can't expect to embrace a SOP in which foreigners... are exploited to somehow turnout otherwise...
Here in the U.S., the USDOJ is always ordering the cops to submit a racial profile of the stops they make--to combat a racially motivated SOP...
People say: SO What if the cops target such...
Yet kids are taught that the day may come when they're going to have to make terrific sacrifices fighting for their country... But, with Vietnam at least, it's the poor (read minorities) who did all the actual fighting...
My argument was leading up to the idea that we should be importing guest workers to stay in guest "camps" such that neither "side" is "affronted" by the more of the other... But, it occurs to me, that then who would do all the fighting...!!! (Not to affront our troops "at war...")
Let foreigners come here, make a bundle working..., then leave after a year... They'd be living with their own people...
Isn't the Koran the best word here--about being tolerant towards other faiths...
As far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with truth and justice for all!!!!
Posted by: Michael L. Wagner on 02/19/08 at 8:42 PM Respond
"racial profiling", that is known as "affirmative action" which is institutionalized racism.
Posted by: Bobbyjo on 02/20/08 at 9:39 AM Respond
Michael L. Wagner said:
"Isn't the Koran the best word here--about being tolerant towards other faiths..."
Yeah, no. It isn't.
# As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.--2:6-7
# In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.--2:17-18
# Guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.--2:24
# They who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein.--2:39
# Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they believe.--2:88
# The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.--2:89
# Allah (Himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers.--2:98
# We have revealed unto thee clear tokens, and only miscreants will disbelieve in them.--2:99
# For disbelievers is a painful doom.--2:104
# Whoso disbelieveth in it, those are they who are the losers.--2:121
# As for him who disbelieveth, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the doom of Fire - a hapless journey's end!--2:126
# Those who hide the proofs and the guidance which We revealed, after We had made it clear to mankind in the Scripture: such are accursed of Allah and accursed of those who have the power to curse.--2:159
# Those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers; on them is the curse of Allah and of angels and of men combined.--2:161
# Those who hide aught of the Scripture which Allah hath revealed and purchase a small gain therewith, they eat into their bellies nothing else than fire. Theirs will be a painful doom.--2:174
# Slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out ... If they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.--2:191
# Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah--2:193
# Whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief ... such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.--2:217
# The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers.--254
# Those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. ... Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.--2:257
# Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.--2:264
# Give us victory over the disbelieving folk.--2:286
# Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom.--3:4
# Those who disbelieve ... will be fuel for Fire.--3:10
# Those who disbelieve ... shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell--3:12
# Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah ... promise them a painful doom.--3:21
# Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers--3:28
# Allah loveth not the disbelievers--3:32
# As for those who disbelieve I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers.--3:56
# Whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.--3:85
# Those who disbelieve, and die in disbelief.... Theirs will be a painful doom and they will have no helpers.--3:91
# On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief ? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved.--3:106
# Those who disbelieve ... are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.--3:116
# Give us victory over the disbelieving folk.--3:147
# We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve--3:151
# Those who purchase disbelief at the price of faith harm Allah not at all, but theirs will be a painful doom.--3:177
# Those who disbelieve ... theirs will be a shameful doom.--3:178
# Those who disbelieve ... their habitation will be hell--3:196-7
# Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment.--4:18
# Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few.--4:46
# Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil.--4:76
# Choose not friends from them [unbelievers]. ... Take them and kill them wherever ye find them.--4:89
# Take them [unbelivers] and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.--4:91
# The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.--4:101
# Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?--4:144
# Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment.--4:18
# They who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, such are rightful owners of hell.--5:11
# The Children of Israel ... We have cursed them and made hard their hearts--5:12-13
# Christians ... We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection.--5:14
# The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.--5:33
# Those who disbelieve ... Theirs will be a painful doom.--5:36
# Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers.--5:45
# Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. ... He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them.--5:51
# The Jews ... We have cast among them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection.--5:64
# Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.--5:67
# But those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are owners of hell- fire.--5:86
# Those who deny Our revelations are deaf and dumb in darkness. Whom Allah will sendeth astray.--6:39
# But as for those who deny Our revelations, torment will afflict them--6:49
# For them is drink of boiling water and a painful doom, because they disbelieved.--6:70
# Those are they who lose their souls because they disbelieved Our revelations.--7:9
# We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not.--7:27
# They who deny Our revelations and scorn them - each are rightful owners of the Fire; they will abide therein.--7:36
# They who deny Our revelations and scorn them, for them the gates of heaven will nor be opened. ... Theirs will be a bed of hell--7:40-41
# I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.--8:12
# For disbelievers is the torment of the Fire.--8:14
# When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. Whoso on that day turneth his back to them ... hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell.--8:15-16
# Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve.--8:35
# Those who disbelieve will be gathered unto hell.--8:36
# Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.--8:39
# If thou couldst see how the angels receive those who disbelieve, smiting faces and their backs and (saying): Taste the punishment of burning!--8:50
# the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe.--8:55
# (The disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.--8:65
# Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve--9:3
# Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.--9:5
# Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.--9:23
# The Jews ... and the Christians ... Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!--9:30
# On the day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of hell, and their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded therewith--9:35
# Wage war on all of the idolaters as they are waging war on all of you.--9:36
# Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.--9:37
# Those who vex the messenger of Allah, for them there is a painful doom.--9:61
# Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah curseth them, and theirs is lasting torment.--9:68
# O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.--9:73
# Though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger--9:80
# And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger--9:84
# A painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.--9:90
# It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire.--9:113
# O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you--9:123
# For those who disbelieve, theirs will be a boiling drink and painful doom because they disbelieved.--10:4
# Those who are neglectful of Our revelations, Their home will be the Fire--10:7-8
# Who doeth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie concerning Allah and denieth His revelations?--10:17
# We drowned those who denied Our revelations.--10:73
# We make them taste a dreadful doom because they used to disbelieve.--10:70
# As for those who will be wretched (on that day) they will be in the Fire; sighing and wailing will be their portion therein, Abiding there so long as the heavens and the earth endure.--11:106-7
# They who disbelieve ... such are rightful owners of the Fire, they will abide therein.--13:5
# The prayer of disbelievers goeth (far) astray.--13:14
# Those who disbelieve.... For them is torment in the life of the world, and verily the doom of the Hereafter is more painful, and they have no defender from Allah.--13:33-34
# The reward of disbelievers is the Fire.--13:35
# Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, Allah guideth them not and theirs will be a painful doom.--16:104
# We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.--17:8
# Those who believe not in the Hereafter, for them We have prepared a painful doom.--17:10
# We place between thee and those who believe not in the Hereafter a hidden barrier; And We place upon their hearts veils lest they should understand it, and in their ears a deafness--17:45-46
# Blind, dumb and deaf; their habitation will be hell; whenever it abateth, We increase the flame for them. That is their reward because they disbelieved Our revelations--17:97-98
# We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces.--18:29
# On that day we shall present hell to the disbelievers, plain to view--18:100
# We have prepared hell as a welcome for the disbelievers.--18:102
# We have set the devils on the disbelievers to confound them with confusion--19:83
# If those who disbelieved but knew the time when they will not be able to drive off the fire from their faces and from their backs, and they will not be helped!--21:39
# Behold them, staring wide (in terror), the eyes of those who disbelieve!--21:97
# Whoso is wont to think (through envy) that Allah will not give him (Muhammad) victory in the world and the Hereafter ... let him stretch a rope up to the roof (of his dwelling), and let him hang himself.--22:15
# But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron.--22:19-21
# Those who strive to thwart Our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire.--22:51
# Those who disbelieve henceforth, they are the miscreants.--24:55
# Think not that the disbelievers can escape in the land. Fire will be their home - a hapless journey's end!--24:57
# It will be a hard day for disbelievers. On the day when the wrong-doer gnaweth his hands, he will say: Ah, would that I had chosen a way together with the messenger (of Allah)!--25:26-27
# They will not believe in it till they behold the painful doom.--26:201
# On the day when He will call unto them and say: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? ... Cry unto your (so-called) partners (of Allah). And they will cry unto them, and they will give no answer unto them, and they will see the Doom.--28:62-64
# Never be a helper to the disbelievers.--28:86
# Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah ... have no hope of My mercy. For such there is a painful doom.--29:23
# None deny Our revelations save wrong-doers.--29:49
# Those who ... disbelieve in Allah, they it is who are the losers.--29:55
# Hell verily will encompass the disbelievers. On the day when the doom will overwhelm them from above them and from underneath their feet, and He will say: Taste what ye used to do!--29:54-55
# Is not there a home in hell for disbelievers ? --29:68
# He loveth not the disbelievers.--30:45
# Thus doth Allah seal the hearts of those who know not.--30:59
# Whosoever disbelieveth ... we give them comfort for a little, and then We drive them to a heavy doom.--31:23-24
# Their retreat is the Fire. Whenever they desire to issue forth from thence, they are brought back thither. Unto them it is said: Taste the torment of the Fire which ye used to deny.--32:20
# Obey not the disbelievers--33:1
# Such have not believed. Therefor Allah maketh their deeds fruitless.--33:19
# He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.--33:26
# He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.--33:26
# Incline not to the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk.--33:48
# Those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.--33:57
# If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them.... Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.--33:60-1
# Allah hath cursed the disbelievers, and hath prepared for them a flaming fire, Wherein they will abide for ever. They will find (then) no protecting friend nor helper. On the day when their faces are turned over in the Fire.... give them double torment and curse them with a mighty curse.--33:64-8
# Those who strive against Our revelations, challenging (Us), theirs will be a painful doom of wrath.--34:5
# And such of them as deviated from Our command, them We caused to taste the punishment of flaming Fire.--34:12
# Those who strive against Our revelations, challenging, they will be brought to the doom.--34:38
# They denied My messengers. How intense then was My abhorrence (of them)!--34:45
# Those who disbelieve, theirs will be an awful doom--35:7
# Then seized I those who disbelieved, and how intense was My abhorrence!--35:26
# But as for those who disbelieve, for them is fire of hell; it taketh not complete effect upon them so that they can die, nor is its torment lightened for them.--35:36
# And We have set a bar before them and a bar behind them, and (thus) have covered them so that they see not. Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not, it is alike for them, for they believe not.--36:9-10
# This is hell.... Burn therein this day for that ye disbelieved.--36:63-4
# Those who disbelieve are in false pride and schism.--38:2
# Those who wander from the way of Allah have an awful doom.--38:36
# That is the opinion of those who disbelieve. And woe unto those who disbelieve, from the Fire!--38:27
# Take pleasure in thy disbelief a while. Lo! thou art of the owners of the Fire.--39:8
# Will not the home of disbelievers be in hell ?--39:32
# Those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell ?--39:60
# Those who disbelieve ... are owners of the Fire.--40:6
# Allah deceiveth him who is a prodigal, a doubter.--40:34
# The prayer of disbelievers is in vain.--40:50
# Thus are they perverted who deny the revelations of Allah.--40:63
# Those who deny the Scripture and that wherewith We send Our messengers. But they will come to know, When carcans are about their necks and chains. They are dragged Through boiling waters; then they are thrust into the Fire.--40:70-72
# Thus doth Allah send astray the disbelievers (in His guidance).--40:74
# Then, when they saw Our doom, they said: We believe in Allah only and reject (all) that we used to associate (with Him). But their faith could not avail them when they saw Our doom. ... The disbelievers will be ruined.--40:84-85
# (Make mention of) the day when the enemies of Allah are gathered unto the Fire, they are driven on Till, when they reach it, their ears and their eyes and their skins testify against them as to what they used to do.--41:19-20
# That is the reward of Allah's enemies: the Fire. Therein is their immortal home, payment forasmuch as they denied Our revelations.--41:28
# Those who argue concerning Allah ... wrath is upon them and theirs will be an awful doom.--42:16
# This will be a painful torment. Our Lord relieve us of the torment. Lo! we are believers. ... We withdraw the torment a little. Lo! ye return (to disbelief). ... In truth We shall punish.--44:11-16
# Woe unto each sinful liar, Who heareth the revelations of Allah recited unto him, and then continueth in pride as though he heard them not. Give him tidings of a painful doom.--45:7-8
# And when he knoweth aught of Our revelations he maketh it a jest. For such there is a shameful doom.--45:9
# And those who disbelieve the revelations of their Lord, for them there is a painful doom of wrath.--45:11
# Those who disbelieve follow falsehood.--47:3
# Those who disbelieve take their comfort in this life and eat even as the cattle eat, and the Fire is their habitation.--47:12
# Those who disbelieve and turn from the way of Allah and then die disbelievers, Allah surely will not pardon them.--47:34
# For him who believeth not in Allah and His messenger - Lo! We have prepared a flame for disbelievers.--48:13
# Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.--48:29
# Accursed be the conjecturers. ... They ask: When is the Day of Judgment? (It is) the day when they will be tormented at the Fire.--51:10-13
# Woe unto those who disbelieve.--51:60
# This is the Fire which ye were wont to deny. ... Endure the heat thereof.--52:16
# This is hell which the guilty deny. They go circling round between it and fierce, boiling water.--55:43-44
# The erring, the deniers, ... will eat of a tree called Zaqqum....And ... will drink of boiling water.--56:
# But if he is of the rejecters, the erring, Then the welcome will be boiling water And roasting at hell-fire.--56:92-94
# Those who disbelieved. Your home is the Fire; that is your patron, and a hapless journey's end.--57:15
# Those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are owners of hell-fire.--57:19
# For disbelievers is a painful doom.--58:4
# For disbelievers is a shameful doom--58:5
# Those who take for friends a folk with whom Allah is wroth ... Allah hath prepared for them a dreadful doom.--58:14-15
# Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brethren.--58:22
# Tell their brethren who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture ... that they verily are liars.--59:11
# O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve?--60:1
# O ye who believe! Be not friendly with a folk with whom Allah is wroth, (a folk) who have despaired of the Hereafter as the disbelievers despair of those who are in the graves.--60:13
# Because they believed, then disbelieved, therefore their hearts are sealed so that they understand not.--63:3
# Whether thou ask forgiveness for them or ask not forgiveness for them is all one for them; Allah will not forgive them.--63:6
# Those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, such are owners of the Fire; they will abide therein - a hapless journey's end!--64:10
# O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end. --66:9
# For those who disbelieve in their Lord there is the doom of hell, a hapless journey's end! When they are flung therein they hear its roaring as it boileth up--67:6-7
# Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom?--67:28
# They were drowned, then made to enter a Fire. And they found they had no helpers in place of Allah. And Noah said: My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers in the land.--71:25-26
# Leave Me to deal with the deniers, lords of ease and comfort (in this life); and do thou respite them awhile. Lo! with Us are heavy fetters and a raging fire. And food which choketh (the partaker), and a painful doom.--73:11-13
# Surely that day will be a day of anguish, Not of ease, for disbelievers.--74:9-10
# We have prepared for disbelievers manacles and carcans and a raging fire.--76:4
# And other faces, on that day, with dust upon them, Veiled in darkness, Those are the disbelievers, the wicked.--80:40-42
# Woe unto the repudiators on that day! Those who deny the Day of Judgment Which none denieth save each criminal transgressor, Who, when thou readest unto him Our revelations, saith: (Mere) fables of the men of old. ... They verily will burn in hell.--83:10-16
# The guilty used to laugh at those who believed ... This day it is those who believe who have the laugh of disbelievers, ... Are not the disbelievers paid for what they used to do ? --83:29-36
# Those who disbelieve will deny ... give them tidings of a painful doom.--84:22-24
# Whoso ... disbelieveth Allah will punish him with direst punishment.--88:23
# Those who disbelieve Our revelations ... Fire will be an awning over them.--90:19-20
# If he denieth (Allah's guidance) ... We will seize him by the forelock.--96:13-15
# Those who disbelieve ... will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.--98:6
Posted by: Ben on 02/24/08 at 7:04 PM Respond
Ben, you forgot to mention that The Talmud is hate book as well. Let us not be one sided. In Peter Schaefer’s new book, Jesus in the Talmud Schaefer, who heads up Princeton’s Judaic studies program, has collected and analyzed all the passages in the Talmud that refer to the founder of Christianity, texts that were previously self censored from Talmud editions in recent times. In his book he argues that the scandalous passages indeed refer not to some other figure of ancient times but to the famous Jesus of Nazareth.
What exactly is so scandalous? How about Jesus punished in Hell for eternity by being made to sit in a cauldron of boiling excrement? That image appears in early manuscripts of the Babylonian Talmud, as does a brief account of Jesus’ trial and execution—not by the Romans but by the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin. The Jewish community, to the extent Jews were even aware of these excised texts, has been content to let them remain obscure and unknown.
This undermines a widespread assumption that, of Judaism’s and Christianity’s respective sacred texts, only the Christian Gospels go out of their way to assail the rival faith, whereas Judaism’s classical texts refrain from similar attacks.
It seems fair to say now, however, that the Talmud is every bit as offensive to Christians as the Gospels are to Jews.
The Talmud’s scattered portrait of Jesus unapologetically mocks Christian doctrines including the virgin birth and the resurrection. Which isn’t to say that the rabbinic invective is meant simply to insult. In his book, the author calls the Talmud’s assault on Christian claims “devastating.”
“It is a very serious argument,” said Schaefer, who emphasizes that the rabbis’ stories about Jesus were never intended as an attempt at historically accurate narrative. Rather, in the classic Talmudic style, they encode legal and theological argumentation in the form of sometimes-imaginative storytelling.
Posted by: HQ on 02/25/08 at 7:43 AM Respond
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