"There's not evidence that voters treat"

Should be:

There's no evidence

or

There's not any evidence

the mentality of the american people and press.

hillary wins debated obama wins speechs.

americans must look into a mirror and see the pitfalls of capitalism.

not based on universal principles but greed.

greed will self destruct karma demands it

An idea of Reincarnation:

The election day ...

Who wants to die in bitterness?

Who wants to die in happines?

Then ... comes tomorrow ...

I avoided watching the debate because I knew it was going to be a rehash of Rev. Wright, "Sniper tall tales" and the like.

Guess no one really wants to give us a updated version of "Lincoln-Douglas." With these two candidates, that is the real shame.

It's sickening. Anything to stir up better ratings. I'd like to see all three candidates hold a press conference together and call for an end to the "manufactured" stories - and then they can move forward, challenging each other on policy and vision.

Of course, I'd also like to be able to fly. Like Superman.

While I'm wishing - can someone make little George S. go away? Who gave him a show? Or credibility?

I didn't get to see very much of the debate last night, but saw the part about taxes.

My comment is this: Why were they having a republican conversation about taxes? More specifically, why were the moderators asking the democratic candidates questions about taxes, that imply the republican spin about taxes is the "correct" way to think about taxes???!!!

For example, all that stuff about when the capital gain tax was lowered by Bill, and revenue actually went up - The reality is that unrelated to the lowering of the capital gains tax, the stock market (the internet bubble) took off at the same time, and so the amount of revenue increased, becuase investors were cashing in during the golden ninety's with returns of over 20%, 30%, etc...

Think of it this way - a 28% (the captial gains tax at it's highest rate) on an 8% return verses a 20% tax (what Bill lowered the capital gains tax rate to) on a 20% return.

For every $1000 invested, an 8% return brings in $80, at a tax rate of 28%, the IRS gets $22.40.
For every $1000 invested, a 16% return yields $160, and at a tax rate of only 20%, the IRS still gets $32.
Or, at the hight of the internet bubble, a 25% return would net the IRS $50.

Tax revenue didn't increase because the capital gains tax was lowered, revenue increased because the internet bubble was at it's peak!!!

Stephanopoulos and Gibson were revolting. All evening long they parroted Republican talking points, or focused on petty embarrassments involving Obama. And the mainstream media wonders why its news outfits are hemorrhaging viewers and ad dollars!

Both dem candidates exhibited grace and poise -- Clinton seemed especially strong. I'm more or less an Obama supporter, but at the end of the "debate" I couldn't help but think I'd support either democrat (preferably with the other as a running mate) -- on the condition they find a way to purge bozos like their moderators from the ranks of the mainstream media!

Question. Do working class folks,(i.e. the broad majority of those voting Dem in PA.) actually know who William Ayers is? Would they even know what the Weather Underground was? I only ask, because I tried to bring the topic up in conversation with some family members(whom I suspect are pretty similar to those PA voters) and they had no idea what the hell I was talking about. These are folks who were in their 'prime' in the 60's and 70's.

Is this just political sniping from a panel of moderators who obviously skewed conservative? Tell the voters William Ayers was a Weathermen. William Ayers is a terrorist. People who know the story couldn't care less, because they know the question itself is B.S. People who are hearing about it for the first time, and scare easily, may change there vote. Hillary wins big in PA and you get continued chaos into the convention. That's good for Republicans.

This was a debate? No, this was more nonsense from the so-called media. Or more appropriately, the televised version of the National Enquirer. It's no wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're fools.

Thanks you former PA resident!!! The whole "Bill led the greatest economic expansion in US history" is crap. Right place, right time.

As for the article, “But it looks, smells, and feels damaging”. Nope. You guys just need something to write about because last night was a non event. ABC hosted the political equivalent of People last night. Non issues, slander and BS. As PT Barnum said, “No one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people” (or something like that).

Garbage in, garbage out.

Somebody wrote a headline that this was the "baggage" debate. I put it to you that it was the garbage debate.

It's incredible that these two men had the opportunity to ask questions about matters that are of critical importance to the very survival of our nation and perhaps the planet, and yet they opted to talk about flag pins and sniper fire.

What an amazing disservice to the nation. What a blot on the already tarnished reputation of the "MSM".

What utter garbage. Neither of these "reporters" should ever be allowed near a camera and microphone again.

-Wexler

The debate was uncomfortable if you were an Obama supporter because it brought forth just a little of what the Republicans will be bringing a ship load of, if he becomes the nominee. Obama has many ties to the left of left radicals; his study of Malcom X and his support from Perry, the attorney for Malcom X; his endorsement early in his career by the Socialist Party; his association with the 'homegrown terrorists' Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn who once hosted, in their home, a campaign event for Obama; his 20 year relationship with the radical Reverend Wright; his 17 year relationship with Rezko who has financial ties to Nahdmi Auchi, the billionaire Iraqi who sold illegal arms to Saddam; his participation in the Million Man March; his endorsement by Louis Farrakhan and there is more, but you get the picture. This all starts to become cumulative and as the African proverb says, "When deeds speak words are nothing." and those radical association deeds, in a general election, will negate his eloquent words.

"Ayers was part of a domestic terror group:"

Bill Ayers was not a terrorist. He (apparently) engaged in bombing government targets in the early 1970s (without injury, by the way). That's not terrorism. All agree that terrorism is the use violence for political aims against citizens, for the purpose of harm or engendering fear.

Ayers was a lot of things -- an advocate of the violent overthrow of the US government being the most notable -- but he was not a terrorist.

Politicians and criminals associating? OMG - next thing you know there will be corruption, greed then worse.

We have a torturer in the WH and some people worry about this kind of BS?

Seems the whole thing is just silly.

We agree yet again, capt Hussein.

@sharon ash: I am an Obama supporter and the debate was uncomfortable to me because it was a slap in the face to the American public. People are DYING!!! People are losing their HOMES!!! Our kids are being OUTPERFORMED by foreign students, and gas is quickly approaching $4.00 a gallon. Instead of focusing on these issues, I had to sit through, questions about wearing a lapel pin, does a former US marine, who served with distinction in the army, love this country more than Obama, Bosnia gate, and the bogeyman/weatherman. That is insulting.

I am infuriated that this is what politics has become.

And as for your other comments, I just don't understand. You seem to imply that if Obama gets an endorsement from a group or person you consider "radical" that it should reflect on Obama. I mean, how does that make sense? People hear and read about Obama so they speak positively about him, SO WHAT!!!! He is a well-read man, and as a result has read about one of the most important leaders in the civil rights movement, Malcolm X, SO WHAT!!! He attended an event that was a call to action for African American males to take responsibility in their own lives and their communities, *GASP*, Louis Farrakan spoke positively, but did not endorse him, GULP, he was in the same room with an Iraqi billionaire...must be a terrorist!!!, I mean, I could go on, but this is too ridiculous.

Although everybody accuses Obama supporters of drinking kool aid (funny, no one has problems with condescension when it comes to his supporters), I have no illusions about what he is. He is an imperfect man that is running for political office. If I wanted someone who walked on water, I wouldn't vote at all. I do disagree with him about some of his policy positions and actions that he has taken in this campaign, but in all, I appreciate that he wants to get people involved in politics again, which shows a departure from what I have seen from the other candidates.

Who knows what is going to happen in the next couple of months, but if the ABC debate is a preview of November, I fear for this election.

Obama(the magic Negro) is a divider, not a uniter because he is a hateful Black supremacist. Pastor Wright gave that anti-Semite ,the Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan, the lifetime achievement award. Obama is just too extreme to win in November. If he is the candidate, McCain will win.

Hey People,

Why is it soooo hard for the left wing nuts to understand that the average American considers the whole person when making a political decision...? It might not be important to you that BHO won't wear a flag pin, or disassociate himself with terrorists/anti-semites, but to joe-six-pack these things matter..!!!
Maybe you lib's can pretend that this stuff doesn't matter, heck, you didn't think that it was shameful that bill clinton got his d**k slurped in the oval office, but guess what, IT MATTERS to 10's of millions of Americans.
Actions speak much louder than words, and BHO action over that last 20 yrs speak volumes to joe-six-pack.
You better listen, and learn or you lib's will be relagated to the trash heap of history..:-) You are alread half way there..huh?

Bill

???
Bill Ayers was not a terrorist. He (apparently) engaged in bombing government targets in the early 1970s (without injury, by the way). That's not terrorism. All agree that terrorism is the use violence for political aims against citizens, for the purpose of harm or engendering fear.
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Hey People,
Are you seriously mentally disabled..? Who in there right mind would NOT think that someone who is blowing up buildings be considered a terrorist..?
See, this kind of thinking is why you lib's are being relagated to the trash heap of history...!!!

Bill

What can one say, the EXTREME RIGHT WING owns the ABC Media Network, and when you're playing with their ball, they will play their way. The RIGHT WING EXTREME would much rather have a tried and true good DLC Republican Hillary; as an unknown Obama, who just may consider the rest of the nation, and not consider only the RIGHT as to how much money he can make off the RIGHT, as the Clinton's did; instead of protecting the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION.

With Hillary, the RIGHT will not have to worm John McCain into power for a ditto of the Bush administration, DLC Hillary will cooperate and follow the RIGHT WING OBJECTIVES, like DLC Bill did.

But, since Obama is taking the lead, John McCain is having to be programmed to run against Obama, with the RIGHT WING'S EXTREME Bush "Compassionate Conservative" Scheme to dupe the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION into somehow believing that conservatives are compassionate and care about what happens to the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION, NOT; never have --- never will.

We must NEVER forget that Bill Clinton, though a registered Democrat, was the best REPUBLICAN president, EVER; so says Republican, Alan Greenspan, and Alan Greenspan would know.

All the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION know is that all their good jobs have been outsourced account the good REPUBLICAN President Bill Clinton signed into effect N.A.F.T.A.; and Bill Clinton has not had a money problem since. President Bill Clinton did a good deed for the Conservative RIGHT WING EXTREME, by selling out the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION --- and, Hillary will do the same in whatever situation. Bill Clinton knew what he was doing, he didn't just fall off the turnip truck, but is an Oxford University Rhodes Scholar.

Bill Nigh: Since you are presently having a one-way conversation with yourself, let me make a response to you. You are probably like most Americans and your care a great deal about this country and want to see us on a better course. But the name calling you use, such as 'left wing nuts', does nothing to bring us together to solve our problems. And yes, those on the left have just as many degrading names for those on the right. We must find a way to learn to respect ourselves, respect others and start to pull together. Obama is not the one to bring us together because he carries too much anger himself, and moreover, he truly does have his entire political career steeped in the left of left culture of South side Chicago, and Americans are not going to rally around that. Perhaps we would all be better served to turn off the 24/7 news and the pundits, and listen to our own self and talk to each other, without using negative labels.

Bill Nigh:

You have really got propaganda down. Nothing you have said is anything other than RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA to try and hurt Barack Obama.

Of the three candidates the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION have been allowed to vote for, Barack Obama is the better of the three. Hillary will appear to be a less cruel cooperating RIGHT WING yes person as Bill was, and John McCain will be more of the same compassionate conservatism we have endured from the Bush administration.

I think at this point, Democratic candidates could possibly write off ABC news as nothing but "Fox II."

These are not debates, these are Republican grilling sessions. And perhaps they should call the 'debate' hoax what it is, baloney.

To Sar Silverman,

Have you checked the polls? Have you heard of the Iraq War? Are you aware of the condition of the US economy? McCain loses regardless of the nominee and he loses in a landslide to Obama becuase he will steal all of the left leaning Republicans and Independents that gave McCain the nomination. Right Wingers do not like McCain and he is sooooo weak as a candidate. Can't speak, can't separate from Bush, can't win.

Mr Idiotic,

I thik it is YOU who have not been paying attention to the polls..:-) McCain wins aginst both, doesn't matter who. You don't seem to understand how many republicans have been voteing in the democrat primary... huh? There has been a concerted effort by reps to NOT vote in rep primary, since we already knew who was going to win the nomination after a certian point. Ever since then, MANY people have been voteing in democrat races and when general election comes around about 30% of those voters will vote McCain..!!!
You are like a bunch of children fighting over a scrap of meat, since no one trusts you to eat at the adult table..:-)

Guess someone had to tell you..

Bill

Bill secretly wants to be a left wing nut, that's why he spends so much time chatting with us. That's why he's always sniffing at our door, mauling our garbage, pressing his nose to the window. Now don't deny it, Billy, you want in the Leftist House, don't you? Yes, you do!
The whole thing about republicans voting in a massive and organized attempt to get the theoretically weak Obama in against the insuperable McWalker is just too funny - and sad. Bill sounds like his friend, Hillary, with all this talk of a right wing conspiracy. Too funny - what if Bill Nigh is actually Hillary Clinton on a trolling rampage? I think that must be it.

Noam Chomsky has commented that if candidates positions on the issues that mattered most to the average American were really known, NO ONE would get elected. We have become such a vacuous, American Idol-obsessed, sound bite-driven society that we really can't think about serious issues. When less than 20% of Americans read a book in any calendar year, it becomes clear that we have become a nation of knuckleheads.

Mr paul,

You wish... hahaha, and yes i do love reading the liberal rants. My minor in college was political science, so i do enjoy a good argument...:-) But you guys make it almost too easy, since most of the assertions are soooo far out there.
I am almost surprised that you have not heard of the organized effort, it is called operation chaos. It was started much to the consternation of the left. Since you guys have open primaries..:-) You might have heard of it refered to as vote stealing.
My choice for the dem's would be Billary, and only for the entertainment value. Can you just imagine, during the general election, her appearing at a speech and having a bunch of college young republicans throwing cigars up on the stage.. AHHAHA.. OMG, or to hear them start chanting monica, monica, monica... and her running off the stage crying.. WOW...

Bill

The most noteworthy thing about the infamous Bill Ayers is that he's from a rich family - which probably explains why he's a Professor at a college and not a smoldering cinder like Nancy Ling Perry et all from the Symbionese Liberation Army. Patty Hearst didn't fare all that badly either. The point is, Obama should have turned the tables on Charlie/Georgie and pointed this out. Perhaps a little populism might have titilated the PA voters even more than a lapel pin made in China.

Mother Jones' take on the debate is spot on as usual. The media has an obligation to the public to address the issues and instead, these two moderators dwelled in the land of the National Enquirer and gossip. If ABC is hurting that bad for ad revenue, or to pump their ratings, this is sad. Personnaly, I have begun to take a serious look at companies who advertise with ABC to consider if I can do without those products and services. I don't know how else to send a message to mainstream media that they need to clean up their content and message. I would encourage Media buyers to consider the quality of the ABC debate when purchasing TV spots.

'In an argument with a fool you will always lose.'
-folk proverb
I need to remind myself of this before I post comments to Bill Nigh.

Bill Nigh you had better get some professional help before you "hurt" yourself.Perhaps you can get a group rate with Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Rielly.They go to bed laughing every night at the way they lead you "guys around by the nose. Seriously get ahold of youself.

Hey Guys,

No one is being led around by the nose...:-) We have always wanted to do things like this, but untill the conservative tide came about , we were not organized.. Now we can accomplish anything when we try..!!!
Who would have imagined a couple of years ago that the dem's would put fourth two sub-par candidates as these.

1.) An enableing, shamed wife of discraced former president.
2.) An inexperienced black activist who can't seem to stop offending middle america.

Aginst a 25+ yr senate standout, war hero, ex-pow, independant conservative middle of the road, fatherly type..!!

I think you better start getting your blog posts ready for how we are going to "steal" the election again...
How can you be soooo lame and still look at yourselves in the morning..:-)

Bill

Bill is into the "fatherly type" - now everything makes sense. Hey everyone, let's play a game: it's called 'Ignore Bill Nigh'.

Apparently capt - Hussein has no life. S/he should mind her/his own business rather than finding mistakes in a magazine blog.

We can not afford a PIT BULL in the White House. Obama has my vote.

Bill ... the whole person? As in conservatives walk on water and liberals are evil and godless. And you say liberals are drinking the kool-aid. A disgraced former president? You mean Bill Clinton the most popular president in modern history ? John, I'll do or say anything to be president, McCain is a war hero? He was a prisoner of war ... oh, I forgot, Paul Miller is right(folk proverb). So was John Stuart Mills ... not all conservatives are stupid people but all stupid people are conservatives.

Debate was pathetic so why even add to it.

Here is my response to a really lame Clintonite comeback.

This is the type of attack Obama will face from the Republicans.

Let me answer with all the creativity it deserves. DUH

You think anyone over the age of 15 would not know this.

I knew it before he announced. And I am from Illinois. You think the Republicans here are Shirley Temple.

You think the Chicago media doesn't pound Obama on a daily basis.

We get it, ok. So please find another comeback.

war hero?

anytime a country calls their soldiers war heros for fighting in illegal wars that is the very definition of imperialism.

mc same has flip flopped more than kerry wind surfing.

his real reason for wanting to bomb iran: to win the respect of his father and grandfathers.

sad day in america. most americans are imperialists and many are out and out war mongers.

mc war is of the last definition.

How does the song goes?

".... it is time to make a change ... take a look and take it easy ... look at me ... I am old ... but I'm happy ..."

It is just like the popular WORD:

"LOVE BEGETS LOVE"

Life is so simple!

I identify with people who feel that the debate was late on focusing on the issues. But I found it ironic when Obama complained about it in North Carolina given his tendency NOT to talk about the issues in his speeches. In addition, he waffled a bit on the tax question whereas Clinton was specific, had done her homework ... when it came to issues later on in the debate.

The debate also gave Obama one last chance to clear himself on the Wright issue. And he didn't. And he will lose votes in the primaries because of it and his 5-to-1 outspending of Hillary Clinton on cable tv during this last week will actually hurt him in Pennsylvania. And if he gets the nomination, many people will vote Republican purely on the Wright/Farrakhan issue and the Democratic party will lose votes on it and possibly the election. So the journalists were justified in insisting on that issue.

But people who say that the questions were slanted against Obama should get checked for Alzheimers. Clinton got hit with Bosnia and well she should have. Clinton got pressed into an endorsement for Obama and her triple yes was picked up in subsequent headlines in newspapers. Hardly helpful for her campaign.

As for Obama's supposedly superior courtesy, my reading of his behavior is inevitably influenced by the presidential election in France whose aftermath I'm now living through. As I watch Obama is his impeccably tailored suit and observe the way he drowns the voters in a media barrage, I can't help thinking of the then male candidate Nicolas Sarkozy who-- like Obama -- "played it cool" in the debate here in France last May. He let his female opponent be critical and demanding while he very calmly refused to assume responsibility for his record.

But the aftermath comes, and what we elect is what we get. The French-- disenchanted after yielding to the media blitz -- have voted very heavily in the other direction during their recent municipal elections. But the damage is done and all the striking and demonstrating and parading in the world will not repair that damage as our own experience with the War in Iraq has proven.

It's too late for France but it's not too late for the States. Look at the debate again and if you think on your own without anybody holding your hand that Obama is "waffling", then act on it. We don't need any more improvisation in the White House.

To Bill Nigh or Ben Stein or whatever,

Once upon a time some corporatist war mongering traitors stole the weaker of the two political parties and made a run at facism. Too bad for them, they picked a bumbling idiot to lead the way. The neo-con movement failed almost as badly as the neo-con policies. Now they have a recycled political loser who can't even attempt to separate himself from the worst President the country has ever had. Do you remember way back in '06 when the Democratic party had twice as many seats up for re-election. They won all of those seats and took half of the Republican's as well. The progressive movement is here to stay. You can thank us after we save the country.

Hey People,

like i have said many times before, when your simple blind logic fails you, start name calling, or better yet, be dismissive...huh? Boy, i would have LOVED to have you on the opposite side in poli sci class..:-)
Your arguments are specious, at best, and most of the time don't really address the points i am talking about. You should stop thinking yourself the fool, i will walk you through this, in little baby steps.
For some reason you think that the country, as a whole, agrees with your socialist leanings. Maybe this is just yoru hope dreams for the day, but it will be a long time till they come to pass.
It REALLY bothers you that you are not allowed to just converse with other liberals and stroke eachother, that you might actually have to support your radical assertions with people who are diametricaly opposed to your ideas. But guess what, in a free country you can't just stand on your soap box and preach to the choir. You will have opposition and be forced to show yoru true colors. Which the majority does NOT agree with. Conservatives now have a voice, and we are marching fourth...huh?

Bill

Bill,

Give me some substance. Not a sigle idea or viewpoint in that last posting. I love thrashing conservative ideology, so instead of whining and bragging, give me some ideas to work with. Do better next time or I will not waste any more of my time with you.

Yes, Bill Nigh, the voice of the conservatives, i.e. neocons, has been heard loud and clear during the Bush Administration. They spoke lies and used them to attack Iraq. They spoke tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans as another 6 million Americans fell into the ranks of poverty and the ranks of the uninsured swelled to 45 million. They failed to speak to the growing rates of violence in our country. They spoke to borrow, borrow and borrow some more, from other countries. (Can you say $10 trillion debt?) This administration borrowed more from other countries than the other 42 administrations combined. They spoke to the unspeakable, 'torture', and said it is okay, so long as they are doling it out. They were silent as all the government agencies with the power to access our private records, did so, illegally. They spoke non-stop on the conservative talk venues to promote hate and division in this country. This is, of course, the short list, of 'they spoke', and the reason that our country is now despised and regarded as one of the most dangerous countries on the planet (and no, Bill, contrary to the spiel from the right, they do not hate us because of what we have, but because of what we have not, and that is an honest appraisal of our actions toward other countries). And, perhaps America owes the Bush Administration a small debt of gratitude for speaking to the consequences when we fail to pay attention to what is going on in our government. I guess we will see in November of 2008 if we have heard.

letica: “life is so simple”.

Yes Letica but it is the simple that eludes us.

I spent 6 years on one question. What is the origin of our ignorance? The Buddha discovered correctly that the source of most of our suffering is ignorance why not try to find the origin of that ignorance. God knows the repubs have plenty of it.

The answer was so simple but to this day I find it impossible to pass on to even one person that they understand the origin of our ignorance.

Simple but almost unknowable. Eluded me for six years. Now I find it unbelievable it eluded me for six years.

Has anyone considered the idea that maybe neo conservatives (repubs) are new souls on this planet and have not yet learned much love and compassion for all people even the Iraqis and the Vietnamese during that illegal war?

I mean 47 million people without health care? Says it all about the state of mind of most Americans. And we call our soldiers war heroes for fighting in these wars for profits. This is the very definition of imperialism.

Well said, Sharon Ash.

Maybe people would take Bill more seriously if he'd learn to spell?

Stop whining If Sen. Obama doesn't want to answer hard questions regarding his associates or his judgement about some of his questionable associates than get out of the big league...

I mean 47 million people without health care? Says it all about the state of mind of most Americans.
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You know, i have read the constitution and the bill of rights, and now where in it did i see a referance to health care coverage..? Why are so many people tying to get the government to pay for things that the gevernment was NEVER designed to do..?
And i hope you don't think that we should be paying for the 20 million illegal aliens who have invaded our country...? I mean, i understand emergency care, and such, but why would ANYONE think that we are responsible to pay for ALL costs of foreign nationals..?
And what is the big problem with conservative talk radio telling the truth..? How can you say that when someone is speaking the truth that they are speaking hate...? Or is it that since it is not YOUR version of the truth, it must be hate...?

Bill..?

Sounds like Sar Silverman just might be one of those who consider themselves a "chosen one" (which by default, means as an Athiest, that I am not). How the hell can you say Obama is not going to unite anyone when you spouting this "Magic Negro crap" and seem to think that Israel's interests are necessarily those of the the US. We have no business supporting a theocracy that thinks their sh.t doesn't stink. Just because one does not share the view that Semites have doesn't make one an antisemite,it makes one a free thinker, which there is too little of now a days. Go play your Jew card somewhere else. Go Obama!

"And i hope you don't think that we should be paying for the 20 million illegal aliens who have invaded our country...?"

They come for jobs and why are those jobs available? Most of them should be given a medal of honor for what they have to go through to get here and stay here. Their own country has abandoned them also in the name of greed.

Greed pure and simple capitalist greed that wants cheap labor to max profits in a declining economy and standard of living.

Your comments support my statement that neo cons are new souls on this planet with low levels of compassion and love for others. I suspect you sit in the front row of your church and consider yourself a devote Christian or worst an atheist whose god is your intellect.

The constitution is treated like the Christians treat the bible. Infallible.

Constitution must be rewritten. Over 200 years old.

One redo. Term limits for congress. Next redo all lobbyists sent to Cuba to work in the sugar fields and while at it also send the greed is good wall streeters as they now run many American corporations and destroying them day by day.

We are the only industrialized country without health care says it all about the constitution, capitalism, and the American mentality of self center ness and greed. And we are ranked last of all the industrialized countries with universal health. France is rated 1st we are ranked 35th.

Jefferson time in America. 30 years overdue. Reorientation time for the neo cons at gitmo.

Well I'm fed up with this charade we call politics. I can't recall when a politician has benefited me or anyone I know. I can recall when they wanted to send me to Vietnam to kill people on their behalf. Dick Cheney had better things to do at that time. He had his eyes on dismantling the constitution and the government it represents.

The candidates do not seem to care about talking about anything but what the other one has said about them. As far as I'm concerned it is not expected of them to do it. If they want to 'serve' the public, they can begin by bringing ideas to the table.

It's ideas that will save the nation.

Sorry if this sounds a bit cynical.

If you thought the debate was pointless due to the piss poor commentators, PLEASE sign this petition:

http://pol.moveon.org/enoughdistractions/?rc=tellafriend&id=12463-1574636-ZGTqpD&t=4

Obama is a hatemonger. He and his Pastor Wright promote hate. This is unacceptable in a democratic society.

LOL! If Obama is a "hatemonger", then what does that make people like Sar Silverman (who posted hateful and racist comments in here)?

Clearly you (Benny) missed his brilliant speech. Here it is again so you can see it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23691239#23691239

Kristin, I really don't like Sarah Silverman. I can only speak about myself. Obama is a jive man. He doesn't fool me any more than the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, who endorsed Obama as his kind of man. Obama's associates are worse than David Duke. This is unacceptable in a democratic society.

Just to clarify...I was referring to someone who posted comments on here under the username "Sar Silverman". I wasn't referring to the comedian Sarah Silverman. As for your other comments, I don't base my vote on who has endorsed who. Though GWB did of course endorse McCain, so I guess the worst president ever and a war monger has endorsed McCain.

"Obama is a hatemonger. He and his Pastor Wright promote hate. This is unacceptable in a democratic society."

yea and john mc cain was doing angel duty as he was bombing women and children in north vietnam in that other illegal war.

when a country calls their soldiers war heros for bombing women and children in their illegal wars that is imperialism.

even huff post banned me for saying such things.

even obama calls mc cain a war hero.

countdown had 8 questions for john mc war for this next interview.

bet they wont ask him those questions.

mr ketting five cost americans two billion dollars.

wait till you see what his iran war will cost so he can gain the respect of his grandfather.

I think Sharon Ash is on the Clinton campaign staff or payroll.

Loraine: I would be honored to work on the staff of the Clinton campaign, salaried or otherwise, but I do not, because it does fit with my schedule. And, I have not contributed one dollar to her campaign or that of anyone else. What I hear you saying in your comment, is that if anything is spoken which contradicts your perception of Obama your mind closes like a steel trap. Is this not the same kind of hypocrisy and closed mindedness that those on the left have been lamenting about the right? No matter what Bush has bungled, or how big of a mess he has made of our government, about 54% of the Republicans stand with him. Obama supporters, are even more inclined to see nothing wrong with this man, which is why so many people refer to his supporters as have drunk the kool-aid. As the old saying goes, "Facts are stubborn things." The facts that Obama's political career is deeply steeped in the left of left radical views of South side Chicago and he is associated with and connected to some very radical people that mainstream America will soundly reject in a general election, will not go away. I am old enough to remember the George McGovern debacle. Richard Nixon was running a very corrupt administration, but he was re-elected over McGovern, because McGovern was too far left. This country sometimes swings too far right, but never too far left. Check the history books!

"Obama supporters, are even more inclined to see nothing wrong with this man, which is why so many people refer to his supporters as have drunk the kool-aid."

Sharon. Wowser, what a crock.

Just quit the broad-brush insults - as if BHO supporters are not clear thinking, mature, well considered and well informed.

Shame on you.

If your consideration and respect for others is so shallow I guess it says more about a lack of self respect on your part than anything I could post as commentary.

Most BHO supporters know every candidate has positives and negatives - we are all human. Many have well considered the pluses and minuses and decided to support the candidate they think is best, that equals kool-aid drinking to you?

If you want to be respected you must offer respect. Such will be returned in full measure - (of course I will not try to associate Kool-aid with your point of view - out of mutual respect)

Thanks just the same!

At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton blamed what she called the "activist base" of the Democratic Party -- and MoveOn.org in particular -- for many of her electoral defeats, saying activists had "flooded" state caucuses and "intimidated" her supporters, according to an audio recording of the event obtained by The Huffington Post.

"Moveon.org endorsed [Sen. Barack Obama] -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

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I guess HRC forgot Move.org was created to "censure and move on" her husband.

Those darn activists - getting together and OMG some do not support her? How dare they?

How any thinking person could support HRC is beyond me.

To kriz.
americans are people; thus, have same traits as the rest of humans.
And flattery gets most people most of the time.
However, no people were ever flattered as amers.
No empire had been as jingoistic as US. Selfpraise and other flattery to nonruling classes by ruling class was also unprecendented.
What happened to amers could have happened to any people. All people, as far as i know, believe in personality cults.
Some amers are awakening to this fact but by now amers have lost their homeland. Nationalism is dying or about to die everywhere. In canada, we have same situation also. We are losing our beloved canada that we never ever had.
Recall how corporate media would show only fat and obese russian women? And, what's happened to canadian and amer women? This is just one of the lies that the media was telling us among thousands upon thusands.
sory to say,the ruling classes got us by the muda. thank u.

capt - Hussein...Man, you spent a lot of time on kool-aid, which by the way I did not invent that widely used term for Obama supporters, moreover, some of my dearest friends, who are well educated, wonderful people, are Obama supporters. My points remains that Obama is left of left; has long term associations with radicals; ABC had every right to bring up those associations in the debate; those associations and deep left of left roots will be the number one focus of the Republicans to defeat Obama; and in my opinion, they will succeed, because we have NEVER elected a left of left president in this country, and 2008 will be no exception. So, go have yourself a big 'ole glass of Kool-aid, but the facts on Obama are not going to change and mainstream America is not going to change their voting habits and go with left of left. They will tolerate slightly left, but that's about as far as they will go. And, don't be all huffy with me, I did not write the rules but I damn sure learned my lesson well when I worked for George McGovern's campaign. It is a big fat waste of time and effort trying to get a left of left president elected in the U.S. and it is majority rule after all.

Sharon,

How complimentary!

You know the Kool-aid reference is all about Jim Jones and was a republican talking point about all democrats. (what a class act, eh?)

Your personal attack was anticipated but I did offer you a chance.

If you wanted to be taken seriously you would sound serious - kool-aid taunts are as pathetic as they are petty and insults will never get your point across to anybody - but I'm sure you are smarter than that so carry on! (let me know how it works for you and HRC)

40,000 to 60,000 at the BHO rally in PA last night.

Hillary is history and so is any commentary I would offer you.

Thanks again!

By the way, MoveOn never opposed the war in Afghanistan. The organization was created specifically to help her husband Bill Clinton survive impeachment for getting you-know-what. MoveOn's Eli Pariser responded:

"Senator Clinton has her facts wrong again. MoveOn never opposed the war in Afghanistan, and we set the record straight years ago when Karl Rove made the same claim. Senator Clinton's attack on our members is divisive at a time when Democrats will soon need to unify to beat Senator McCain. MoveOn is 3.2 million reliable voters and volunteers who are an important part of any winning Democratic coalition in November. They deserve better than to be dismissed using Republican talking points."

Well, for a campaign that has morphed into nothing but "Republican talking points", it shouldn't come as any surprise.

I'm curious though, what part of our foreign policy approach doesn't she agree with? The ending the war in Iraq part? I'd like more details on that one.

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The Clintonistas are just "bitter" these days because HRC has already lost.

Sad but true.

From a strident Hillary Clinton Support (soon to be ex-supporter)

I defended Hillary Clinton when she refused to bow to right wing pressure and condemn MoveOn over the "General Betrayus" ad (and was sad when she finally capitulated). MoveOn are valuable progressive partners who have been with us on Donna Edwards, net neutrality, trying to bring an end to the war, FISA, and other issues we've been fighting for.

They've accepted the challenge of organizing the left in the virtual arena and done an amazing job that the right struggles to replicate. They now have 3 million members, of which I'm one. And their skill at online organization and movement building has developed a model that both of the Democratic candidates have been able to copy and learn from, acting as a democratizing influence and making candidates more responsive to the public at large and less to high dollar donors.

MoveOn may not have opposed military action in Afghanistan (according to Eli Pariser in the Washington Post) but I did, because I was quite certain George Bush would bungle it and we'd just wind up spending billions on a bunch of junk that would make his buddies rich and a lot of poor people in the poorest country in the world would die senselessly. Sadly that turned out to be right, and disparaging anyone for challenging this country's unrelenting bellicosity during the Bush administration is wrong.

Does Hillary Clinton not want my vote either?

-J

"MoveOn opposed military action in Afghanistan" is a Republican talking point, articulated specifically and purposefully by Karl Rove:

"Rove went on to say that conservatives wanted to "unleash the might and power" of the military against the Taliban in Afghanistan, while liberals wanted to submit petitions. He cited a petition he said was backed by MoveOn.org that called for "moderation and restraint" in responding to the attacks.

"I don't know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt as I watched the twin towers crumble to the earth, a side of the Pentagon destroyed and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble," he said, according to the text."

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Is Rove advising HRC?

The comments also contradict Clinton's previous statements praising this year's elevated Democratic turnout in primaries and caucuses, and appear to blame her caucus defeats on newly energized grassroots voter groups that she has lauded in the past as "lively participants" in American democracy.

"You've been asking the tough questions," Clinton said in April of last year at a MoveOn-sponsored town hall event. "You've been refusing to back down when any of us who are in political leadership are not living up to the standards that we should set for ourselves... I think you have helped to change the face of American politics for the better... both online, and in the corridors of power."

Clinton's criticism followed MoveOn's endorsement of Obama in early February. The group was initially established in 1999 to oppose the Republican-led effort to impeach President Bill Clinton, and now claims 3.2 million members.

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Move.org was fine by her, even worthy of praise until they endorsed her opponent?

I guess HRC has the steadfast character and integrity - unless you don't support her?

Like I say - a class act all the way, eh?

Hillary Clinton Openly Admits She Lied, But Then Accuses Obama of Guilt by Association

[...]

Here are the three ways she acknowledged her lie:

"On a couple of occasions in the last weeks I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case and what I had written about in my book."

And:

"But I have talked about this and written about it. And then, unfortunately, on a few occasions I was not as accurate as I have been in the past."

And:

"And I have said that, you know, it just didn't jibe with what I had written about and knew to be the truth."

In case you¹re wondering, one of the confirmations of a lie is when you say something that you know to be false. So when she admitted saying something that, just didn’t jibe with what I knew to be the truth, she was admitting that she lied.

I was laughing pretty hard at the time and thinking that one could probably find examples of Bill Clinton using some of the very same euphemisms when confronted with evidence of his own lies.

The admission itself was significant, but the funniest part about her response was that she made the admission and then asked for a pass: "And, you know, I'm embarrassed by it. I have apologized for it. I've said it was a mistake. And it is, I hope, something that you can look over, because clearly I am proud that I went to Bosnia. It was a war zone."

She wants us to "look over" it; her lies shouldn’t be an issue.

Okay, whatever. But through out the debate, her hypocrisy came through as again and again she pressed her case that Senator Obama be held accountable for his association, not for anything he himself has done or said, but for the words and/or deeds of a couple of people he has happened to associate with over the years.

I keep seeing her as a cartoonish caricature of herself who first says, "Okay, so I lied," then points at Senator Obama and decries, "but HE knows an angry black preacher!"

(Buzzflash)

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Makes me wonder if the Clintonistas ever read any progressive news?

Jane: I am also a member of MoveOn, have hosted many of their anti-war vigils and other events, and while I very much appreciate how they have pulled us together to work for change, I think they really got it wrong on Obama. This election should have been a slam dunk for the Democrats and I believe it was with Hillary as the candidate, but Obama is really too far to the left. All of the help from MoveOn did not save Kerry from the Swift Boaters and Kerry was nothing compared to the dirt on Obama.

capt,

If someone offers you a gift, and you decline to accept it, the other person still owns that gift. The same is true of insults and verbal attacks.

Steve Pavlina, How to Win an Argument, 08-31-05

Thanks gandhi!

Words to live by.

One of my favorite quotes:

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.

Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191

I don't think anybody using the term "koolaid" drinkers knows the offensive origin.

If they know and still use it they are very insullting, if they don't know they are not very well informed.

(IMHO)

Howard Wolfson, communications director for the Clinton campaign, verified the authenticity of the audio, and elaborated on Clinton's charge that these same party activists were engaged in acts of intimidation against her supporters: "There have been well documented instances of intimidation in the Nevada and the Texas caucuses, and it is a fact that while we have won 4 of the 5 largest primaries, where participation is greatest, Senator Obama has done better in caucuses than we have." About Clinton's remarks suggesting dismay over high Democratic activist turnout, Wolfson said, "I'll let my statement stand as is."

In fact, the Nevada caucuses occurred prior to MoveOn's endorsement of Obama, and when Clinton made her remarks, the Texas caucuses had yet to take place.

The disclosure of Clinton's statement disparaging the prominence of party activists in the caucus process comes after she repeatedly suggested that Obama's electability had been compromised because he had allegedly offended other key Democratic constituencies.

(huffpo)

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Say anything, do anything, smear anybody to win?

We don't need another jerk in the WH like that - we have already been down that road and look where we are?

capt - Hussein...you quote WAY too much negative Clinton material to be just an ordinary person. Perhaps you are a Republican plant on this post. Having Hillary in the White House for payback time would sure be Hell, wouldn't it, now???

I live in Europe and 20 min into the debate here given the timezone, I could not even be bothered to stay awake. Thank god I did, I watched the whole thing the following morning and I no longer like ABC. What a waste of voters time.

"sory to say,the ruling classes got us by the muda. thank u."

it appears to be so but look at history has this not happened to most nations.

then third world status sits in.

example reagan economics that continues to destroy the wealth of the middle class and promote the wealth of the haves and have mores.

and who voted this man into office and bought his trickle down theory. the middle class.

the interesting aspect of all of this is the middle class votes the ruling class into power that allows those with power to destroy the wealth of the middle class.

kind of like self destruction based in ignorance.

Judgment Day looms for Hillary Clinton the wrecker

[...]

For a month now, Obama has been pummelled by a Democrat in ways I have never witnessed in a primary campaign. Senator Hillary Clinton has directly argued that he is less qualified to be commander-in-chief than the Republican nominee, John McCain. She has said that she doesn’t know for sure that he is not a secret Muslim. She has said his choice of church is unacceptable to her. She has said he deliberately wants many Americans to continue scraping by without health insurance.

Her campaign has insinuated that he was once a drug dealer. Her husband has equated him with the rabble-rousing preacher Jesse Jackson. The Clintons have publicly associated Obama with domestic terrorist William Ayers, with the militant Palestinian group Hamas, and with antisemitic demagogue Louis Farrakhan. And what is remarkable about all this is that most of it was not done by surrogates, but by a former president of the United States against a senator in his own party, and directly by Clinton herself. Every time you think: “Nah, they won’t go there, will they?” – they do.

Right now, in Pennsylvania, Clinton is running only negative advertisements designed to exploit Obama’s gaffe a fortnight ago, when he described some rural Pennsylvanians as bitter, and as “clinging” to some traditional identities because they feel left out of economic and social change. It was a stupid offhand comment, easily misinterpreted, and Obama deserved a hit.

But this is what the Clintons’ actual advertisement says, voiced by several unidentified Pennsylvanians: “I was very insulted by Barack Obama.” “It shows how out of touch Barack Obama is.” “The good people of Pennsylvania deserve a lot better than what Barack Obama said.”

This is a swing state. For the Clintons baldly to coopt exactly the kind of antielitist rhetoric used to marginalise Democrats by Republicans for three decades is to take the campaign warfare to a whole new level of earth-scorching.

(Andrew Sullivan)

ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports: Sen. Barack Obama, trekking across Pennsylvania aboard the Georgia 300 train, used his whistlestops to cast Sen. Hillary Clinton as a typical Washington insider who's throwing the kitchen sink at him.

"She’s resorted to what’s called 'kitchen sink' strategies. She’s got the kitchen sink flying, and the china flying, and the, you know, the buffet is coming at me," Obama said at a stop in Downingtown.

Obama quickly added that he is tough enough to withstand this kind of politics, refuting a criticism that some have made that because of his inability to withstand such attacks he would be a weaker nominee for the party when running against the Republicans.

"I come from Chicago," he said. "I know politics is hard, you know, it's not for the faint of heart. I understand that."

Obama repeatedly tried to make the case that the kitchen sink strategy takes away from a focus on the issues.

"These petty, trivial slash and burn, back and forth, tit for tat politics so that we no longer talk about the things that the American people care about, that may be good for the television ratings, but it's not good for you," he said.

Obama fights for every vote to close on Clinton

After an ugly campaign, the critical Pennsylvania primary could end in humiliation for Hillary

[...]

'Clinton has broken an unwritten rule of politics, which is that you do not disadvantage a member of your own party and side with your opponents,' said Gary Hart, a former Democratic presidential candidate, who has endorsed Obama. Despite answering 'Yes, yes, yes' when asked if Obama was fit for the presidency during their debate last week, Clinton has boosted McCain's credibility by praising his qualifications to become commander-in-chief.

'Hillary Clinton has philosophical differences with McCain, far-right-wingers Pat Buchanan and Rush Limbaugh and the conservative talking heads on Fox TV,' Washington Post columnist Colbert King wrote yesterday. 'But they and Clinton have a common enemy: Obama. Their allegiance to the goal of bringing him down makes them compatriots.

(Guardian UK)

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Birds of a feather sort of thing . . .

Three Pollsters Measure Drastic Shift Towards Obama

Newsweek's March poll had Obama ahead of Clinton by 1% nationally, now the margin is at 19%. Rasmussen Reports and the Down Center have the PA and IN races, respectively, shifting towards Obama. And Rasmussen Reports is noting that the majority of Democratic voters want the superdelegates to honor the results of the primaries even if those delegates think Clinton has the best shot at winning the general election.

According to the Democratic Pennsylvania poll by Rasmussen Reports:

Perhaps the worst news in the survey for Clinton has nothing to do with the race getting closer. Fifty-seven percent (57%) say that the Superdelegates should honor the results of the primaries even if “something happens to convince Superdelegates that Hillary Clinton would have a better chance of beating John McCain.” If Clinton is deemed more electable, just 33% believe that the Superdelegates should select her over Obama. Clinton’s only viable path to the nomination is to convince the Superdelegates that they should vote for her despite Obama’s edge among pledged delegates.

The survey also found that just 21% believe it’s a good idea for the Democrats to have Superdelegates. Fifty-seven percent (57%) disagree.

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Good news indeed!

If Obama wins the primary and the nomination, I will for the first time in 38 years vote for Nader or McCain come November 2008. Senator Clinton is light years the best candidate. If Senator Clinton should lose the nomination, I will permanently sever all ties with the 'Democratic Party', once the greatest political party ever but destroyed by identity and class politics.

The Pied Piper of Hamlin has them all fooled. By the time they realize their error, it will be too late.

the fix is on.

reagan, bush sr, clinton, clinton, bush jr, bush jr, and now another clinton, then jeb, then jeb again, then chelsea, then neil, then bush twins (ie two for one) then neil again,

the american voters not exactly the brighest bulbs on the planet.

now everyone wear your flag pins while we kill those folks in iraq. oil forever baby. well at least 40 years worth.

god bless america

researcher,

Sometimes, we people need time to what-ever growth we / each of us need ...
I needed 50 years ...
so ...your 6 years is nothing :-) ;-))

"... people ... people needing people ... are the luckiest people in the world ... like children ... needing other children ..."

sounds to be an oldies years long ... and I love the old lyrics ... they touched and they are still touching everyone's heart.

History repeats ... until ignorance is cured ( proven or not) ... we owe not to question faith ... it is either we have it or not ... and ... if questions are raised ... there will always be an answer ... sooner or later.

To look for faults from others in anyway ... it will hinder self-growth ...
but ... there is this WORD called CONSCIENCE in everyone of us ...
It (conscience) has the Freedom of choice or be chosen ...
for our judgement day:

Guilty or not Guilty
Winner or Loser
Better or Best
Men or Women

... lies on our / we people ... own actions ... as human being ... and we cannot run from it ... like the shadow ...

and ... without fault ... wrong doings or actions ... failures of anything ...and what have you ...

... we will not reach or know the difference of the idea of Right or Wrong. The truth of black and white ... or maybe, the so called ignorance.

There lies the lesson of Ignorance ...self-refusal ... the core ... which I think ... we / everyone of us know ... in which-ever class (human beings) we do belong.

and ... it is simple ... we live today ... we die tomorrow!

I wish for all Politicians and people in the whole world ... to give time ... go through ... to the natural food of thoughts ... to be good and new Leaders, followers, members and as human temporary residents of this small world of ours ... "are the luckiest people in the world" Oh! how I love the old songs ... they are talking about the positive truth.

The time has come. Hillary Clinton needs to get out of this race. It is apparent that her intentions are not for the Democratic Party, but only for herself.

I remember when Bill Clinton's former mistress Gennifer Flowers had that press conference. Remember? Remember how we rallied behind Bill Clinton? Remember when we said what happens between a married couple is none of our business? Remember? We trusted the Clintons at face value. We, Democrats chose him as our nominee. Battle scar and all.

Then the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke, believing President Clinton that he did not have sexual relations with that woman, only to retract his statement and admit the affair. Remember, Democrats when we had to defend him, the Oval Office, his behavior? Remember?

Well, the time has come to stop defending the Clintons.

This primary cycle has shown the ugliness of the Clintons.

Barack is right. Hillary Clinton is so paranoid, the only way she knows how to fight back is with GOP tactics, Karl Rovian tactics. That is all she knows how to do. And even when the numbers, delegates, money, etc. is presented to her, she is blinded by her self interest. Not anything for the good of the party, but only for herself.

I am done being angry at the Clintons, I think right now they are quite sad, really. The bitterness (no pun intended) is reeking and is becoming toxic in the Democratic waters.

Time for the remaining super delegates to side with Barack Obama and end this.

Time for the Clintons to go back home and remember how to be Democrats again, if they can.

(kos)

A-men.

Aren't you glad the moderators didn't ask the anti-war Obama why he's more loyal to Nancy (impeachment is off the table) Pelosi than he is to the troops (and their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness)?

Suppose they'd asked war-voter and Democrat Hillary Clinton whether she thinks she's able to impeach Bush without presenting evidence that would demand her own impeachment, and whether a "no" answer means Clinton's NY constituents--the ones who'd end the war by impeaching Bush--are without representation.

The debates as handled by the corporate news media have now descend to the lows of reality TV, or worse some hyperbolic Donald Trump vehicle. The idiocy of Gibson's droning in neo-Brit Hume wannabe fashion is more than an insult to the voters. The political hack Stephanopoulos, a Clinton crony, who owes his sorry excuse of a media career (by no means a journalistic career) to the Clintons, had his partisan stupidity on display for almost and hour. ABC should be banned from further debates, as well as Fox Noise. It is time these debates return to the League of Women Voters. The Washington lobbying firms from the two major parties who run and own the debates as a corporation, need to be permanently banned from public discourse. Then perhaps the voters won't be subjected to the irrelevant smirkings of Stephanopoulos, who possesses a giant moronic lack of intellect in a tiny pin head.

Hillary Clinton's 'Republican' tactics backfire in battle for Pennsylvania

President Bush’s election guru Karl Rove tells our correspondent in Philadelphia that she has left it too late to assail Barack Obama

(Times Online UK)

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When Rove says HRC is doing the right things, just too late or not enough I think that says it all.

Read this somewhere:

Stephanopoulos new nick name:

Stuffing-envelopes!

Tee Hee!

“Researcher: sometimes we people need time to what ever growth we/each of us need so your 6 years is nothing.”

How many must die while Americans learn growth?

These six years is nothing to you, as you did not live them. 50 years in the scheme of things is nothing compared to the many lives we live on this planet preparing us for worlds of higher mental development and advanced lessons in our evolutions of consciousness?

How much to get involved is the question. I have watched a country that was capable of great things squander them in the name of greed and self-righteousness. Will lessons be learned? I think so the universe is very effective at teaching not only individuals but nations lessons.

“To look for faults from others in anyway ... it will hinder self-growth”

This may very well a statement of many truths. But to stand by and do nothing while your country commits imperialism and war mongering may also hinder self-growth.

We killed over one million Vietnamese and did not blink an eye and we will kill over one million Iraqis unless we as a nation speak up and protest. This is my opportunity on this blog to speak up.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.

No nation on earth is as guility of this right now in history as we americans.

What if we wait for those
young sobs and shot them
on the spot?

What if we wait for those
young sobs and shot them
on the spot?
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Hey Paul,
What do you mean by that..? And why doesn't MJ see what you are posting, and remeove it..? Oh, i know, becasue you are referring to someone they dislike..!!! The more more i am exposed to these liberal websites, the more i realize how the are closeted hate-mongers..!!!

Bill

Grammar and spelling are the bricks and mortar of communication. The sloppy mason's house will tumble.

Grammar and logic free language from being at the mercy of the tone of voice. Grammar protects us against misunderstanding the sound of an uttered name; logic protects us against what we say having double meaning.

Rosenstock-Huessy

Hey People,

It is kind of sad that when you KNOW you are on the loosing side of any discussion, you resort to pointing out gramatical erros.. HAHAHA.. How lame can you be...?
I Just think that you can't handle that a persons character is more important to voters that the position on issues....HUH..? WHen voters find out, deep down aspects of a persons character, they are shocked at what a candidate REALLY feels deep down inside, and since it is soooo diffferent than the voter feels, they are repulsed...!

Bill

Mr. Nigh, grammar and spelling reflect one's education, the type of schools, the breeding, and the background of a person. Everybody should at least use spell check. Proper language also reflects one's background. Don't use the words banned by the FCC for starters.

Oh, are you having a hard time reading...? Or are you just too full of yourself to read what someone writes..?
Besides, spelling ahs kinda lost its significants with the advent of spell checker. Now days, anyone can use a spell checker and "Pretend" to be educated. Kinda like many of you..?

Bill

Now days(sp), anyone can use a spell checker and "Pretend" to be educated. Kinda like many of you..?

Nowadays, some people