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Lieberman: Trading Facts for Fear To Help McCain
On Wednesday, Senator Joe Lieberman went on Fox News (where else?) to blast Barack Obama for sticking to what Lieberman called a policy of surrender in Iraq. And he slammed the presumptive Democratic nominee for his upcoming trip to Iraq:
He's already decided his position. He's not going to listen to Petraeus. He's not going to listen to our troops. He's not going to listen to his own eyes with what he sees there. I think that's not the kind of leadership we need in the Oval Office.
Listen to his own eyes? It's as if Lieberman was channeling George W. Bush. But put that aside. Lieberman was trotting out again his I-know-Iraq-best stance, as he continues to be a leading surrogate for John McCain on the war and terrorism. But why should Lieberman have any standing on these matters? He can be as uninformed about national security as McCain (who several times confused Shia and Sunni). Two weeks ago, Lieberman appeared on Face the Nation and said,
But we need a president who's ready to be commander in chief on day one. Senator McCain is....Why? Because our enemies will test the new president early. Remember that the truck bombing of the World Trade Center happened in the first year of the Clinton administration. Nine-eleven happened in the first year of the Bush administration. John McCain is ready to take the reins on January 20th, 2009. He doesn't need any training.
Was Lieberman right in his history? Do the evildoers really mount terrorist operations to test new presidents early in their terms? I put this question to Peter Bergen, a journalist who is an expert on al Qaeda and terrorism. (He's written two good books on al Qaeda.) Bergen replies:
The planning cycle of these ops militate against the idea that they were planned to test the new president. 9/11 was on the drawing board in 1996 and serious planning began in 1999.
There is no doubt al Qaeda would like to test a new president with an attack but they also hoped to test President Bush in 2006 with the plan to blow up seven US and Canadian planes leaving the UK. Had it succeeded this would have been a 9/11 style event six year into Bush's two-term presidency.
Similarly, Ahmed Ressam arrived in the United States in December 1999 from Canada, planning to blow up LAX airport in the waning days of Clintons presidency. Luckily he was arrested, but the attack was supposed to take place in the final days of the Clinton presidency, not because of presidential politics but because that was when the plotters were ready. And also Xmas in LAX probably meant more potential victims.
So the al Qaeda operations Lieberman cited were likely not planned as tests of a new president. And al Qaeda certainly did not cook up the Millennium Bomber operation as a test, given that Ressam and his comrades could have waited a few weeks and attempted to blow up the Los Angeles airport once George W. Bush was in office. Bergen also left off his list the USS Cole attack, which occurred on October 12, 2000--that is, toward the end of the Clinton presidency, rather than at the beginning of his successor's.
Thus, by citing 9/11 and the 1993 WTC bombings as an indication that terrorist will aim to strike the U.S. soon after the next president hangs new curtains in the Oval Office, Lieberman was mangling the historical record to scare people into voting for McCain. As the chairman of the Senate homeland security committee, he should literally know better--about the planning of these al Qaeda operations. But were Lieberman to stick to established facts, he'd have a tougher time fear-mongering.
Comments
...we need a president who's ready to be commander in chief on day one.?!?!
Has Lieberman been sleeping with Hillary Clinton?!?!
Lieberamn just wants the US to be Isreal's war whore (or make that a slut, since we don't get paid for it).
Posted by: dan on 07/16/08 at 11:40 AM Respond
We need to go back to the days when we used Israel to combat-test our new military equipment on the Ay-rabs for us.
Posted by: You Don't Say.. on 07/16/08 at 11:45 AM Respond
What he is actually is saying is this we need an American president that is prepared to sacrifice our solders American solders for the sake of the criminals of telaviv.
He should be charged with treason. And executed, his remains should be shipped to telaviv. America does not need patriots like him
Posted by: bahman on 07/16/08 at 1:20 PM Respond
libby your are nothing but a dirt bag,go nader or obama.
Posted by: joe on 07/16/08 at 1:58 PM Respond
You Don't Say, you wrote,
“We need to go back to the days when we used Israel to combat-test our new military equipment on the Ay-rabs for us.”
As suppose to the Israelis using the American tax money and military to pay for or die for Israel.
I think it would be even better if they used our military hardware on some of our senators.
Right up their ******
Posted by: bahman on 07/16/08 at 2:21 PM Respond
bahman writes: "I think it would be even better if they used our military hardware on some of our senators.
Right up their ******"
I could go with that.
(I hope you noticed the lump in my cheek where my tongue was planted earlier)
Posted by: You Don't Say.. on 07/16/08 at 3:10 PM Respond
Why should anyone listen to what Lieberman says about the terrorists? Does he have some special information that the rest of us can't get, like what they're planning and when? If he does, he ought to let them know at the airport so they can drop the alert level to green until the day it's going to happen.
Lieberman did a lousy job as a VP candidate. His persona is lousy with wimpyness, his voice is lousy with whining, and in the debate with Cheney he sounded like he was debating himself, which should have been a clue to everyone how much of a sellout traitor he was going to be. (No, I don't mean to the Democrat party, I mean to the country).
Lieberman is one of the Constitution-trashing louts who ought to be drummed out of Washington for treason. His agenda is pro-Israel no matter what they do, including murdering a couple thousand Lebanese and laying waste to their country. Or putting up concrete walls and boxing in 10 million people and then starving them to death. Or killing hundreds in an unprovoked and illegal attack on Jenin and then razing the battlefield with bulldozers to cover up the evidence. They like bulldozers, just ask Rachel Corrie about that. She's under that bulldozer over there.
-Wexler
Posted by: William W. Wexler on 07/16/08 at 4:04 PM Respond
The most important thing is to be unaired when speaking about the jaws influence in American politics don’t be shay say what you want to say the Jews want to be regarded as Jews look what they are doing to create hegemony amongst themselves so if they are nasty and disgraceful if they are trying to con the Americans to fight for them and kill for them just ask WAY??? WHY???? WHY????
Don’t be a fried to criticize them make sure the Americans hear you loud and clear you are against the American government being under the undue influence of this murderess society that has for the last 60 years persisted in driving the entire region insane all for a what just tel me what was so wrong with the world before they had take this land.
And its not they can not have it just not have all of it and then what is this sh**t with Jewish only state why should any one in US care more about the ethnic composition of one state as suppose to another state WHY is America being swindled in this way by Israel. is there nothing the Americans can do to stop this Crazy sh**t.
Posted by: bahman on 07/16/08 at 4:27 PM Respond
I heard that these terrorist types like to attack when nobody is looking.
What you think about that?
Posted by: The American Illuminati on 07/16/08 at 6:35 PM Respond
Pity the poor lap dog,Lieberman,and then exile him to a pound for mutts.
Posted by: verona greenley on 07/17/08 at 2:04 AM Respond
Lieberman, is a McCain Lap Dog, ,,truly dangerous,,Israel above all, would bury the U.S, without hesitation..His a.. should be gone out of the senate..just another example of Politics Today-and no punishment of any kind..for any of the liars and criminals..
Posted by: guy on 07/17/08 at 10:17 AM Respond
PODHORETZ NEO-CON MC-CAIN AND NEO-LIB LEIBERMAN, AMERICAN'S MOST DANGEROUS CRYPTO-NEO-MARXISTS, JUSTLY CONDEMNED TO THE GALLOWS FOR THEIR TREASON AGAINST CHRISTIAN CULTURE AND CONSTITUTIONAL RULE OF LAW
Posted by: Jeugenen on 07/17/08 at 12:12 PM Respond
Isn’t it great that Joe Lieberman knows the mind of al-Qaeda? The United States ought to be using little military activity to take out these terrorists—it is in fact that simple. Terrorists will not be defeated by military means. But rather terrorists fail when government offers people something that is worthy of respect. This is a central problem throughout the Middle East including Israel. It is true that Israel has an excellent Jewish democracy but it is not democracy for all people—hence the apartheid. But whether one looks at Egypt or Syria or Sudan or Iraq or Saudi Arabia and so on there exists a social oppression that had the US not been present in a military form that would make the claims of these countries that it is “the fault of the US that they are deprived” less credible. Still Arabs will point their finger at history and claim that the Royal Family rules because of the US, that in the fifties in Iran the US overthrew the sitting government and put the Shah of Iran into the seat of power, that Israel sits as it does because of American favoritism, and so on—the animosity runs great and thus when Lieberman makes his statements they seems almost surrealistic if one looks the world in the eye for what it is.
The claims made in Iraq concerning al-Qaeda only occurred because the US attacked Iraq (without justification) and thus the US opened the door to terrorists there. While Saddam Hussein was in power al-Qaeda could not enter Iraq and set up shop because they represented a direct threat to him. (I don’t mean to suggest that Saddam Hussein offered “good government” but because he ruled the country with an iron fist—anyone who could potentially disrupt his power—especially Islamic fanatics would be taken out immediately. In Iran, any Islamic extremists that challenge the authority of the Ayatollah will also be crushed—look at Iran and Taliban (this could have been a natural way to take Iran out of the cold because they are (or were) an enemy of the Taliban and would have made an excellent partner in defeating the Taliban) With Iran it would seem that we need someway to heal the sores for our actions in the 1950’s—nations are willing to move on—look at Vietnam, yet I cannot help that with McCain Vietnam would be a problem, and North Korea, and he’d send the troops to Sudan. In Iraq what “victory” really means is regaining a form of stability equivalent to Saddam’s Iraq. (gee ain’t it great we have such visionary idiots like Bush or Lieberman or McCain?)
Considering that Bush was tested early in his presidency it is obvious that Bush failed when it comes to protecting the country—but the reason that the intelligence agencies failed to catch the terrorists before they attacked was not because the systems that were in place prior to 9/11 failed—FBI agents were on the trail of the acclaimed 9/11 terrorists, but were stymied in their investigations by “pen-pushing” superiors sitting in Washington—it is that which must be explained but apparently this failure from the top of our intelligence agencies has been swept under the carpet and instead we have a much less effective, more centralized (politically correct or KGB like intelligence system unified under a so-called “Director of Intelligence” and thus a far more dangerous threat to civil security (our constitutional civil rights security—that which once made the USA, the USA)
What is incredible is that given the failures from intelligence agencies in terms of Iraq, or the failure to properly assess the consequences of an invasion of Afghanistan in terms of Pakistan suggests that these agencies should not have their powers enhanced! The only means to ensure that these agencies are doing their job is to find out who has been compromised by politicians and to make sure that they are removed from their jobs. (When intelligence agencies deliver intelligence that is biased to meet some desire from the ruling power—then the agency has been compromised and is worthless in terms of “informing policy makers of the facts” By allowing themselves to be compromised has merely allowed the Bush administration to shove aside any intelligence report that is counter to “Commander in Chief Bush”—with the consequence that we are failing to make defensible and wise decisions—we only get the steam roller method of Bushocracy (this is where little worms like Joe Lieberman fit into the Bush regime)
Joe Lieberman is not concerned with facts and neither is John McCain and neither is the Bush administration (we have 8 years of conclusive proof that facts mean nothing to the Bush administration who is even claiming the economy is fine)—McCain’s claim that the surge is a success is at best suspect because I do not believe that John McCain or Joe Lieberman could stroll through Baghdad without being killed—all rest in the cease fire various “gangs” who seek a means to extend their power. These two senior men (McCain and Lieberman) belong in a retirement home and their entire worldview is an archaic relic that no longer exists—they are Cold War dinosaurs.
A few consequences of Iraq and Afghanistan that strikes me as rather obvious:
1· The US has an incompetent system of intelligence. (Agencies ought not be “seamless” but rather having “seams”; they must be “independent” of political influence so as to achieve maximum freedom to deliver “unbiased” and often “undesired intelligence”. They do not need the FISA revisions but rather the means by which, and the individuals by which they have been compromised must be found and punished—for treason.
2· The US has an incompetent military—attacking Iraq without a plan for how they could feed the population of Iraq immediately (in others do what they UN had done for the previous five years—the quantitative data was there for any military commander to read—for any commander that wanted to get a feel for the social conditions that would greet his troops) meant the mission would fail!
3· Attacking Iraq and using private security companies meant the US military lacked command over its force and its objectives and instead of the army corp. of engineers being able to immediately rebuild key points of infra-structure—like electricity and water the US failed (they still have failed) so that by the time Bush had announced “victory” we had lost the entire population—we weren’t serious. This may well because of Dick Cheney and Haliburton but because the military had no corp. of engineers and because their was no corp. of feed the people we lost Iraq but since we had no mandate from the UN we morally lost the war. A plan ought to have been in place to use Iraqis to help build out the oil infrastructure. (Appearances were critical but the intentions from the US were from the start false—our henchmen were given a couple of pallets of 100 dollar bills and told to “make it happen” and they did—they made the insurgency happen quickly)
4· That the US attacked Afghanistan without calculating the consequences in terms of how such an attack would affect the stability of Pakistan means US Policy makers and military planners are incompetent in terms of foreseeing potential contradictions to National Security. Since Pakistan is a nuclear-armed power, as well as a Muslim state, then it means the stability of that nation his high priority to our national security and to global security—especially in terms of nuclear proliferation.
5· The US had no plans for how to deal with the flight or exodus of refugees into neighboring Arab states—thus creating fuel for more future terrorists or the next generation of suicide bombers.
6· A more thorough law regarding the conditions for the use of “preemptive” warfare. The idea that the US can override the UN Security Council and use its military to act in its interests needs to be rewritten so that situations like Iraq or now perhaps Iran are not possible without certain criteria being met.
7· The political structure of the US is too weak (the idea of the balance of power between the executive judicial and legislative branches of power must be reworked) and the structure of power has become so thoroughly corrupt, that this “corruption” is in fact the greatest threat to national security and not the “terrorists”. (It is here we can look at people like Joe Blackwater Lieberman and say—should an individual with this sort of “ethical views” be allowed to function in public service?
8· A more stringent control on the budget must be in place so that national security is tied to economical wisdom. Again there is economical mismanagement which reveals the US has no regard whatsoever for its fiscal responsibilities. McCain would maintain the Bush economics of let’s see who can bankrupt the country fastest (we are already bankrupt but the question is whether the world dares to pull the rug completely from under our feet)
9· Because of Iraq the US cannot meet the credit crunch and failed to meet the crisis of New Orleans—the mismanagement of FEMA is an obvious blunder in terms of bureaucracy—New Orleans proved that “church group” organization are not capable of meeting real disasters—they maybe good for let’s help the town’s needy by giving them used clothes but they certainly were useless when it came to meeting the needs of a tiny city like New Orleans—imagine if New Orleans had had a population equivalent to say Miami?
10· The US has no energy plan that is meaningful—just cheap talk, which means the US can be manipulated by foreigner powers through oil pricing
· The list can go on and on but I’ve run out of gas
Posted by: kirilovslogic on 07/18/08 at 3:34 AM Respond
I might be interesting to note that the Military is a huge consumer of petroleum products
Posted by: doober on 07/18/08 at 5:50 AM Respond
My only question is why Senate Dems allow Lieberman to get away with this and caucus with them and allow him to keep his seniority and committee chairs? Real leadership would never have made any deals with a scumbag like Lieberman to help him get reelected and wouldn't have either tolerated his attacks on Dems, his helping Republicans nor his attacks on Obama. We also need to point our fingers at Senate Dems for enabling Lieberman.
And don't tell me they need to keep doing this to maintain their Senate majority position either because the organizing rules of this Senate would allow Lieberman to join the GOP without it costing the Dems their majority.
Even to this day Harry Reid won't say he would cut Lieberman loose if the Dems don't need him anymore after the election.
RJ Crane, topplebush.com
Posted by: RJ Crane on 07/18/08 at 6:38 AM Respond
During the Senate campaign in CT after Lamont won the primary I called his main campaign office and pleaded with them to go more on the attack to make voters afraid of Lieberman by claiming Joe would be pushing for a war with Iraq because he is more concerned with Israel's well being than that of our country. The Lamont campaign didn't want to touch this one. Maybe there were too many Jewish voters they didn't want to offend. But if that is the case, they misread the Jewish electorate as most of them aren't like Lieberman in blindly supporting the Likud wing of Israel. It's a serious and sad commentary on the state of our politics that Lieberman has been given a free pass on his craziness because AIPAC might be offended.
RJ Crane, topplebush.com
Posted by: RJ Crane on 07/18/08 at 6:50 AM Respond
RJ Crane
You wrote,
“Maybe there were too many Jewish voters they didn't want to offend. But if that is the case, they misread the Jewish electorate as most of them aren't like Lieberman in blindly supporting the Likud wing of Israel.”
First of all it does not mater how many Jews are in that part of the country the important thing is they the Jewish community) will take coordinated actions against any one that does not support the criminal intentions of the killers of tel aviv.
And although I commend you for your truthful commitment to the ideals of the constitution of this country I mast disagree with you on this point I have all most never come a cross any Jew that was not prepared to subordinate any objective to the advancement of Israeli interest.
Sad but true.
You wrote,
“During the Senate campaign in CT after Lamont won the primary I called his main campaign office and pleaded with them to go more on the attack to make voters afraid of Lieberman by claiming Joe would be pushing for a war with Iraq because he is more concerned with Israel's well being than that of our country.
This need to be done nationally the Jewish community should be warned about their continuing engagement in American politics in favor of Israel and the determent of all including US.
We must start forming an association a pressure grope working to limit the influence of AIPAC.
Posted by: bahman on 07/18/08 at 11:46 AM Respond
This chump (joe lieberman) is a rag tag first class turncoat who spreads fear and distorts facts for McCain and his own personal benefit...and this is the chump who was Gore's VP in 2000 and did not even carry his own state...I saw him debate and thought that this guy is "milque toast" and a loser in the largest sense of the word...He is a sacophant to McCain and the sooner the Democrats dump him...the better...what a "milque toast" individual!!
Posted by: dagored on 07/18/08 at 6:47 PM Respond
Lieberman is nothing more than a coward. He wants to sacrifice the lives of our young Americans to protect Israel for whatever reason. Maybe he should join the Israel military and go on missions to destroy the fascist Islamo whatever they have invented scenario.
Posted by: lucero1946 on 07/18/08 at 7:09 PM Respond
Libby is whiney, but even more frightening, he is a liar...the smart kind...that acts like he cares and knows more than others, and when questioned; plays the victim, but all with some air of superiority...as if he thinks the American people are poor low lives who need his mastery.
Posted by: jj on 07/19/08 at 10:45 AM Respond
RJ Crane asks: My only question is why Senate Dems allow Lieberman to get away with this and caucus with them and allow him to keep his seniority and committee chairs?
That would be because of the embarrassing and scandalous photos and tapes he collected of their leadership, performing a variety of "unnatural acts" while he was still considered one of the fold.
He learned quite a bit from J. Edgar.
Posted by: Joe L. on 07/19/08 at 3:11 PM Respond
Well said. I can see Lieberman, wired up to an NSA super computer, on anesthesia, as the computer probes his brain for every last detail about the terrorists, Iran, and Israel, so that we can know in advance what we should do. If he's so in touch with the terrorist mind, then who is he communicating with anyway? Inquiring minds, er, computers, want to know!!
Posted by: antimatter on 07/20/08 at 3:15 PM Respond
If the Democrats can win a good majority then maybe Lieberman can become an elephant, opps sorry irrelevant, there is always hope.
Posted by: Bob Higgins on 07/20/08 at 4:36 PM Respond
With such fantastically gifted genius leaders, we will crush our enemies, especially the American Public and the environment.
And these are the Democrats. I think about the Republicans gifts, and I think about Canada.
Posted by: Goin' down, all the way down on 07/21/08 at 2:47 AM Respond
The Parties are in flux for the first time since The Reallignment of 1968. The War has made for strange 'bedfellows' so to speak, and this proves Lieberman is more concerned with Israel than US.
Posted by: The Pamphleteer on 07/21/08 at 1:42 PM Respond
Lieberman and McCain use the tactic that was used by the Nazi's.
Here is a quote from Hermann Goering made in Feb 1946 while being interviewed in Spandau Prison.
“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Posted by: Alfred Weber on 07/28/08 at 9:52 AM Respond
Alfred Weber writes: Lieberman and McCain use the tactic that was used by the Nazi's
As did George Dubya Bush, George H.W. Bush, LBJ, FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt...
Posted by: A Little History on 07/28/08 at 10:41 AM Respond
Joe L. has been a huge disappointment to all of us Progressives. He's sold out to the highest bidder. Give us another chance to elect Ned Lamont!
Posted by: Patrick Henry on 08/01/08 at 7:52 PM Respond
Leiberman ? Has No Standing - An Attempt To Gratify Himself With Affilation To McCain Makes About As Much Sense As His Playing Odd Man Out... He's Not A Republican, Not A Democrat - An Independent - trying to play both sides and come up the winner.
.Is As Important As Homer Simpson OR Rather Less Important
Posted by: William Bednarz on 08/03/08 at 2:12 PM Respond
Joe Lieberman and John McQuakerOats will get us into another war in a New York minute. Now that they have destroyed a weak third world country and sent it back to the stone age they want to confront the Russians. So, today the idiot accidently announced that the draft was inevitable. Take a deep breath, the Russians are not Iraq. Are you willing to sacrifice half the U.S. and turn this earth into nuclear waste dumped?
Posted by: lucero1946 on 08/20/08 at 8:22 PM Respond
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